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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (1 Viewer)

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Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
You people keep underestimating her, you don't understand.  This is Hillary Clinton we are talking about. The big HRC.  She is going to destroy not only Trump but the GOP. This is bubonic plague type destruction that change the entire demographics of the American electorate.   Don;t worry about if Trump loses that is almost a forgone conclusion, you need to start planning now for the aftermath; and not just the aftermath of the election but of a Hillary presidency, and maybe a double.  What will the GOP look in 2024 if 2005 would be the last time a GOP won the presidency?  There will be people voting who were not alive when GWB was elected.   HRC will not only be our first woman president, but the grandmother who destroyed the GOP. 
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GOP sealed it's fate by putting Trump forward...has little to do with Hillary.  I'm confident she'll put forth some pretty attractive proposals to the GOP.

 
Jayrok said:
I know this wasn't directed at me but the lines you quoted from the link you posted were from the State Department's deputy spokesman.  What else is he going to say?  

From the same link:   “State searched the record systems and databases that would contain records showing that the specified individuals completed the mandatory training courses — if they in fact completed them,” stated Benjamin Mizer, the principal deputy assistant Attorney General, and Marcia Berman, the assistant director of the Federal Program Branch at the Justice Department, in their filing before Judge Leon.

the Bureau of Diplomatic Security is “the primary training institution for [State]” and would possess training records for Clinton and her aides. The SCI also “has access to SCI electronic training records.”

“If its search of STMS, the Cyber Security Administration database, and SCI electronic training records did not locate training certifications, then such courses were not completed,” both DOJ officials concluded.
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Jayrok  do you want to disappear??? because this is exactly how you disappear.

This is HRC we are talking about  "She don't need no Stinking Training."

 
Thunderlips said:
Ryan has been asked by the RNC to fight a rearguard action against Trump's Scorched Earth tactics in an effort to give the Republican Party a toehold in the 2018 and 2020 election cycles.  

Sucks for the Democrats...if this were Biden(or at least someone with less disdain than HRC) v. Trump, the Democrats could have been in position for (including Obamas 8 years) a 20+ POTUS reign with real chances to turn Congress and local governments their way AND control the 202 redistricting.  As it is, HRC will win......but she won't placate Independents, Conservative Democrats and Disenfranchised Republicans thus enabling "Common Sense" Republicans to fight another day and benefit in 18 and 20 from the publics HRC "hatred". 
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Nominating Hillary will go down as a tremendous wasted opportunity for Democrats and liberals  As it is, we're looking at 4 years where nothing substantial gets done followed by a GOP president.

 
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
No way. The GOP is done as we know it if Hillary win(s). Simply put the GOP is at war with it's own base.
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Why do people keep saying this?  You do realize the GOP controls the House, the Senate and most State Governorships and State Legislatures, right?  You lefties said the same thing in 2006 when Democrats took over for a while, yet 4 years later and ever since it's been all GOP.

I agree that the GOP is all kinds of fractured with Trump at the head right now, but "done as we know it"?  Not even close.  They have a few things going for them with Trump:

  • They didn't rig their party nomination like the Democrats did.  They honorably let the process play out and Trump won fair and square.  Something Democrats can't say.
  • Did I mention they control the House, the Senate and most State Governorships and State Legislatures?
 
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MaxThreshold said:
Why do people keep saying this?  You do realize the GOP controls the House, the Senate and most State Governorships and State Legislatures, right?  You lefties said the same thing in 2006 when Democrats took over for a while, yet 4 years later and ever since it's been all GOP.

I agree that the GOP is all kinds of fractured with Trump at the head right now, but "done as we know it"?  Not even close.  They have a few things going for them with Trump:

  • They didn't rig their party nomination like the Democrats did.  They honorably let the process play out and Trump won fair and square.  Something Democrats can't say.
  • Did I mention they control the House, the Senate and most State Governorships and State Legislatures?
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Yes they have the House and Senate, but I very much doubt they will have the senate come 2017 and their lead in the house will be reduced substantially.

And they will probably have State houses until 2020 because of the 2010 census. 

But I think what FSM was saying is that the GOP from 2012 and on back is gone. The social conservative movement is not as strong as it was. Same Sex marriage is a done deal and I think Abortion has turned the corner.

Whatever the GOP will become, I don't think the Evangelical/Social Conservative movement will have as much as a stranglehold on the GOP

 
badmojo1006 said:
Yes they have the House and Senate, but I very much doubt they will have the senate come 2017 and their lead in the house will be reduced substantially.

And they will probably have State houses until 2020 because of the 2010 census. 

But I think what FSM was saying is that the GOP from 2012 and on back is gone. The social conservative movement is not as strong as it was. Same Sex marriage is a done deal and I think Abortion has turned the corner.

Whatever the GOP will become, I don't think the Evangelical/Social Conservative movement will have as much as a stranglehold on the GOP
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That is what I meant. The people running the party right now will not be the kingmakers after Hillary.

 
Slapdash said:
Nominating Hillary will go down as a tremendous wasted opportunity for Democrats and liberals  As it is, we're looking at 4 years where nothing substantial gets done followed by a GOP president.
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The reason nothing gets done is the "one-term Obama" obstructionists in Congress who even now won't move forward with Obama's nominee, who is by most accounts slightly left. But keep waiting, and don't confirm. Hillary will put Sanders Progressives on the court each successive time until it's 7-2. But keep on blaming Obama and Hillary for getting nothing done.

 
Fox News poll today has Hillary up 10%.  Boomshalakalaka.  Its time to get the unskewed polls site up and running.  Speaking of that site, when trying to google for it, I came across this little gem of an explanation from the founder on why he was so wrong in 2012.

I was only wrong in those projections because I was not aware nor did I calculate in the voter fraud and the voter suppression, both of which exceeded the margin by which Barack Obama was declared the winner of that election last Fall
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badmojo1006 said:
Whatever the GOP will become, I don't think the Evangelical/Social Conservative movement will have as much as a stranglehold on the GOP
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IMO, the GOP made a horrific mistake by embracing the Tea Party rather than just letting them have their little rallies and then fade into oblivion. It gave the Tea Party types too much power. I know my Congress-critter is still terrified of the Tea Party and whether she could win without them.

And, it is all the GOP's fault for spending like Democrats.

 
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
Ok Dead Serious: 

Elizabeth Warren -  Treasury secretary

 Cheryl Mills -  Chief of staff 

Jake Sullivan -  National security adviser 

Bill Burns -  Secretary of State 

Janet Napolitano - Attorney general

Michèle Flournoy  - Defense
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I can't see Warren giving up her Senate seat for a Cabinet position. 

However as an ex-law school professor, I can see her accepting a SCOTUS nomination (even though she is a bit old for that).

 
squistion said:
I can't see Warren giving up her Senate seat for a Cabinet position. 

However as an ex-law school professor, I can see her accepting a SCOTUS nomination (even though she is a bit old for that).
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The age plays a factor here. I think EW can do more as treasury secretary than Senator. I could only hope that Hillary would offer her a SCOTUS spot. 

 
The problem with the Fox poll is Gary Johnson has 12 points: 

Hillary 44

Trump 35

Johnson 12

Most of the Johnson voters are Republicans who are turned off by Trump. But history suggests that in the end most of them will go home. 

 
timschochet said:
The problem with the Fox poll is Gary Johnson has 12 points: 

Hillary 44

Trump 35

Johnson 12

Most of the Johnson voters are Republicans who are turned off by Trump. But history suggests that in the end most of them will go home. 
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Same poll with just Hillary and the donald had her up 10 with hillary getting 5% more and the donald getting 4% more.  Seems that the johnson vote is pretty split. 

 
timschochet said:
The problem with the Fox poll is Gary Johnson has 12 points: 

Hillary 44

Trump 35

Johnson 12

Most of the Johnson voters are Republicans who are turned off by Trump. But history suggests that in the end most of them will go home. 
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Actually Johnson is pulling more from Hillary and in some places he is 2nd among Indies and certain demos.

 
timschochet said:
The problem with the Fox poll is Gary Johnson has 12 points: 

Hillary 44

Trump 35

Johnson 12

Most of the Johnson voters are Republicans who are turned off by Trump. But history suggests that in the end most of them will go home. 
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This is wrong. CNN has an article today saying it was 50/50. Maybe even a tilt towards dems.

 
Getzlaf15 said:
This is wrong. CNN has an article today saying it was 50/50. Maybe even a tilt towards dems.
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Yeah a couple of you guys have pointed this out. I hope it's true but it seems counterintuitive. I would have supposed disgruntled liberals would have preferred Jill Stein. 

 
Sand said:
I had a two hour conversation with him last year.  He's easily the best politician Alabama has elected in the last couple decades.  If he wasn't the age he is he'd have been a superb POTUS candidate.
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Wait wait wait. Sessions who backed judge Roy Moore? Jeff Sessions the Attorney-General to Fob James. Jeff sessions defended the display of the Ten Commandments that got Moore thrown out? he is the best politician in Alabama in the last couple of decades?  Anti-gay marriage Jeff Sessions? 

Are we going to demand that they come before the Senate Judiciary Committee and renounce their faith before they become a federal judge? - Jeff Sessions

I live in Alabama this guy is a good old boy from waaay back. If you know what I mean.

 
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MaxThreshold said:
Why do people keep saying this?  You do realize the GOP controls the House, the Senate and most State Governorships and State Legislatures, right?  You lefties said the same thing in 2006 when Democrats took over for a while, yet 4 years later and ever since it's been all GOP.

I agree that the GOP is all kinds of fractured with Trump at the head right now, but "done as we know it"?  Not even close.  They have a few things going for them with Trump:

  • They didn't rig their party nomination like the Democrats did.  They honorably let the process play out and Trump won fair and square.  Something Democrats can't say.
  • Did I mention they control the House, the Senate and most State Governorships and State Legislatures?
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Done as a Party that wins Presidential elections and nominates the Supreme Court.

 
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
Wait wait wait. Sessions who backed judge Roy Moore? Jeff Sessions the Attorney-General to Fob James. Jeff sessions defended the display of the Ten Commandments that got Moore thrown out? he is the best politician in Alabama in the last couple of decades?  Anti-gay marriage Jeff Sessions? 

Are we going to demand that they come before the Senate Judiciary Committee and renounce their faith before they become a federal judge? - Jeff Sessions

I live in Alabama this guy is a good old boy from waaay back. If you know what I mean.
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Best politician in Alabama isn't a high bar.

 
timschochet said:
Yeah a couple of you guys have pointed this out. I hope it's true but it seems counterintuitive. I would have supposed disgruntled liberals would have preferred Jill Stein. 
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Some would be supporters were possibly turned off because Jill has taken a kooky stance on some basic science. 

 
timschochet said:
Yeah a couple of you guys have pointed this out. I hope it's true but it seems counterintuitive. I would have supposed disgruntled liberals would have preferred Jill Stein. 
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Not disgruntled moderates.   

 
timschochet said:
Getzlaf15 said:
This is wrong. CNN has an article today saying it was 50/50. Maybe even a tilt towards dems.
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Yeah a couple of you guys have pointed this out. I hope it's true but it seems counterintuitive. I would have supposed disgruntled liberals would have preferred Jill Stein. 
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I'd assume there is just more awareness of Gary Johnson than Jill Stein.  Most liberals don't want a guy who is going to wreck the economy by trying to balance the budget year one.

 
Slapdash said:
I'd assume there is just more awareness of Gary Johnson than Jill Stein.  Most liberals don't want a guy who is going to wreck the economy by trying to balance the budget year one.
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Absolutely true re: Johnson. The problem is that Stein doesn't exactly get more appealing to many of us the closer we look. That's certainly true in my case, anyway.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Slapdash said:
I'd assume there is just more awareness of Gary Johnson than Jill Stein.  Most liberals don't want a guy who is going to wreck the economy by trying to balance the budget year one.
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Absolutely true re: Johnson. The problem is that Stein doesn't exactly get more appealing to many of us the closer we look. That's certainly true in my case, anyway.
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Yeah.  I've actually met her and I agree with that.

 
My apologies if this thought has been broached before (I'm voting for the old gal but I'm not interested enough to hang in there through 1000+ pages of posts, surely 25% of which belong to tim) but, imagining a Democratic Party where a representative number of party leaders gathered to select the candidate, without the use of binding primaries, would Hillary have been the party's 2016 selection?

 
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