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Gowdy's point was that protocols were put in place after the Kenyan bombing in the 90s which required the SOS to handle security requests, but he did not make that issue clear. - I think Hillary did really well with that last exchange with Gowdy, he made the point that Hillary was in touch with her coterie but not her ambassadors, but after that he kept making the same point. It would have been nice if we had learned who actually did receive the requests for security before the attack, why did they turn down the requests, and what punishments did the decision makers receive, if any.
But that would having lower level State Dept people testify, which would not only prove Hillary's point but also reveal that the real culprit here was Republican led budget cuts to embassy security. So they're not going there.
 
Gowdy's point was that protocols were put in place after the Kenyan bombing in the 90s which required the SOS to handle security requests, but he did not make that issue clear. - I think Hillary did really well with that last exchange with Gowdy, he made the point that Hillary was in touch with her coterie but not her ambassadors, but after that he kept making the same point. It would have been nice if we had learned who actually did receive the requests for security before the attack, why did they turn down the requests, and what punishments did the decision makers receive, if any.
But that would having lower level State Dept people testify, which would not only prove Hillary's point but also reveal that the real culprit here was Republican led budget cuts to embassy security. So they're not going there.
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying that would be a good thing to get out of this. Gowdy didn't ask - and Hillary didn't say.

 
It's kind of crazy that all the western nations pulled their embassies and missions but we did not, and we also did not add security. I'm not saying that Hillary made that decision (she likely did not, they have nothing showing she did) but we will never know who did apparently. They were sitting ducks. It's just sad.

 
Michael McFaul @McFaul

As ambassador in Russia, I enjoyed multiple ways to communicate with Secretary Clinton. Email was never one of them.
Hypothetically that might also mean he did not have her email.

It also would have been worth Hillary pointing out that ambassadors shouldn't email Secretaries as a general manner because doing so is not secure. It's even less secure on a private email server with an open access windows portal.

 
The safe room is a good point Hillary is raising. The CIA attackers did arrive (albeit after being delayed by a stand down order) to find that Stevens and Smith were dead.

It's also worth pointing out that there was the CIA annex where Stevens and Smith could have fled but did not.

 
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death by fomo ‏@Mobute

Did Ambassador Stevens have your home address?

Did he know your colors?

Did he ever help you pick out a top?

Did you give him a mixtape?
I want to know more about why Pompeo wants to visit Hillary at home.
If there is evidence that Sid's business interests had influence on policy then they drive that...else wise, we get it, Sid had extensive access....just move on

 
One thing I've learned in the last few hours is that squishy really needs new people to follow on twitter....those are some spectacularly bad tweets. :lol:

 
Hillary is smoking these chumps, making them sound pretty stupid.

Even haters have to admit she handles this type of stuff well.
There's really nothing to "handle" at this point...I'm not sure anyone here thought there would be as it pertained to Benghazi. I think all interest went out the window with the claim that there would be no "server" talk during this session. At least "interest" from an information perspective. The body language is fun to watch as is all the :hophead: between the dummies on the committee. Goat rodeo at best.

 
death by fomo ‏@Mobute

Did Ambassador Stevens have your home address?

Did he know your colors?

Did he ever help you pick out a top?

Did you give him a mixtape?
I want to know more about why Pompeo wants to visit Hillary at home.
If there is evidence that Sid's business interests had influence on policy then they drive that...else wise, we get it, Sid had extensive access....just move on
People might be surprised to know we had hired Blackwater to provide security at the CIA Annex. That's who showed up to try to save Stevens, against orders. - eta - Supposedly that was the kind of private security work that Blumenthal and Co. were angling for.

 
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death by fomo ‏@Mobute

Did Ambassador Stevens have your home address?

Did he know your colors?

Did he ever help you pick out a top?

Did you give him a mixtape?
I want to know more about why Pompeo wants to visit Hillary at home.
If there is evidence that Sid's business interests had influence on policy then they drive that...else wise, we get it, Sid had extensive access....just move on
People might be surprised to know we had hired Blackwater to provide security at the CIA Annex. That's who showed up to try to save Stevens, against orders. - eta - Supposedly that was the kind of private security work that Blumenthal and Co. were angling for.
The committee's job is to connect those dots....

 
Neil Cavuto moments ago on FOX News...

Maybe you try to wear her down to get a perjury charge if she slips up.

But it appears that they (republicans) are just grasping at straws.

 
death by fomo ‏@Mobute

Did Ambassador Stevens have your home address?

Did he know your colors?

Did he ever help you pick out a top?

Did you give him a mixtape?
I want to know more about why Pompeo wants to visit Hillary at home.
If there is evidence that Sid's business interests had influence on policy then they drive that...else wise, we get it, Sid had extensive access....just move on
People might be surprised to know we had hired Blackwater to provide security at the CIA Annex. That's who showed up to try to save Stevens, against orders. - eta - Supposedly that was the kind of private security work that Blumenthal and Co. were angling for.
The committee's job is to connect those dots....
They are fixated on the video thing, they are trying to catch her in some manipulation of the message for political reasons (hers, but I guess theirs too). I think it's bad enough she says she was relying on what they were saying on tv and the internet instead of her own Asst SOS Nuland.

I thought the point about the ARB recommendations after the Kenyan attacks in the 90s was a good one. Hillary was correct that that was about security measures but it doesn't address what to do about a mission/consulate/embassy that is in an untenable security situation to begin with.

 
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It's kind of crazy that all the western nations pulled their embassies and missions but we did not, and we also did not add security. I'm not saying that Hillary made that decision (she likely did not, they have nothing showing she did) but we will never know who did apparently. They were sitting ducks. It's just sad.
It was a CIA post - pretty simple.

 
It's kind of crazy that all the western nations pulled their embassies and missions but we did not, and we also did not add security. I'm not saying that Hillary made that decision (she likely did not, they have nothing showing she did) but we will never know who did apparently. They were sitting ducks. It's just sad.
It was a CIA post - pretty simple.
The mission was just a CIA post? So the mission was there to cover the annex, not the other way around?

If so all the more reason to expect the locals to attack it.

 
It's kind of crazy that all the western nations pulled their embassies and missions but we did not, and we also did not add security. I'm not saying that Hillary made that decision (she likely did not, they have nothing showing she did) but we will never know who did apparently. They were sitting ducks. It's just sad.
It was a CIA post - pretty simple.
The mission was just a CIA post? So the mission was there to cover the annex, not the other way around?

If so all the more reason to expect the locals to attack it.
It's purpose was to work the CIA contacts in the eastern parts that were under different control than Tripoli- call it a mission, embassy. post whatever you want - but it was put there to be the front for the CIA work. The "locals" more than likely double crossed us. My guess is we put out the BS film story while we figured out who was doing the dirty double cross so we could "fix" it.

 
It's kind of crazy that all the western nations pulled their embassies and missions but we did not, and we also did not add security. I'm not saying that Hillary made that decision (she likely did not, they have nothing showing she did) but we will never know who did apparently. They were sitting ducks. It's just sad.
It was a CIA post - pretty simple.
The mission was just a CIA post? So the mission was there to cover the annex, not the other way around?

If so all the more reason to expect the locals to attack it.
It's purpose was to work the CIA contacts in the eastern parts that were under different control than Tripoli- call it a mission, embassy. post whatever you want - but it was put there to be the front for the CIA work. The "locals" more than likely double crossed us. My guess is we put out the BS film story while we figured out who was doing the dirty double cross so we could "fix" it.
Certainly plausible to me.

 
What was the point of this hearing again?
To question Clinton.
About Sidney Blumenthal? About her people promoting Hillary afterwards?

I realize I'm not the most objective person here, but I honestly believe that Hillary Clinton came across as competent, empathetic, and sincere. And most of these guys questioning her come across as angry, chauvinistic clowns. And once again we have another "Clinton scandal" in which, when we get down to the details, it appears that she did absolutely nothing wrong or even questionable.

 
What was the point of this hearing again?
To question Clinton.
About Sidney Blumenthal? About her people promoting Hillary afterwards?

I realize I'm not the most objective person here, but I honestly believe that Hillary Clinton came across as competent, empathetic, and sincere. And most of these guys questioning her come across as angry, chauvinistic clowns. And once again we have another "Clinton scandal" in which, when we get down to the details, it appears that she did absolutely nothing wrong or even questionable.
The only new info I've seen / heard was the 9/11/12 Nuland email saying there was "no connection" between the attack and the movie.

But I agree she's been very good and professional. Much better than last time. Actually if she keeps this up it takes the juice out of the 'what difference does it make' snippet.

 
Not generally a Hillary fan but can you watch this and think, I'd really rather have Ben Carson or Trump doing this geopolitical stuff?
You can add everyone running for President right now. Had Biden run, he may have matched her on foreign policy. Nobody else comes anywhere close.

 
What was the point of this hearing again?
To question Clinton.
About Sidney Blumenthal? About her people promoting Hillary afterwards?

I realize I'm not the most objective person here, but I honestly believe that Hillary Clinton came across as competent, empathetic, and sincere. And most of these guys questioning her come across as angry, chauvinistic clowns. And once again we have another "Clinton scandal" in which, when we get down to the details, it appears that she did absolutely nothing wrong or even questionable.
The only new info I've seen / heard was the 9/11/12 Nuland email saying there was "no connection" between the attack and the movie.

But I agree she's been very good and professional. Much better than last time. Actually if she keeps this up it takes the juice out of the 'what difference does it make' snippet.
Earlier Saints either you or someone else made the point that she should be questioned about US policy in Libya which ultimately led to these attacks. I think that's a very fair criticism of her and Obama, and one that could have a damaging effect on her overall credibility. Why DID she push to use our air force to help the Libyan rebels? Why not either send in ground troops and finish the job, or stay the hell away in the first place? These would not be easy questions for her to answer, and she really SHOULD answer them.

But instead they've concentrated on conspiracy crap.

 
What was the point of this hearing again?
To question Clinton.
About Sidney Blumenthal? About her people promoting Hillary afterwards?

I realize I'm not the most objective person here, but I honestly believe that Hillary Clinton came across as competent, empathetic, and sincere. And most of these guys questioning her come across as angry, chauvinistic clowns. And once again we have another "Clinton scandal" in which, when we get down to the details, it appears that she did absolutely nothing wrong or even questionable.
The questions have been plenty clear :shrug:

As I said before this whole goat rodeo began, I don't see the point in doing this. We know the GOP is going to look stupid if they focus on the emails. We know the Dems are going to rush to defend her so she doesn't have to defend herself. That's exactly what's happened all day today. It's pointless, but almost everyone here knew that going in.

 
What was the point of this hearing again?
To question Clinton.
About Sidney Blumenthal? About her people promoting Hillary afterwards?

I realize I'm not the most objective person here, but I honestly believe that Hillary Clinton came across as competent, empathetic, and sincere. And most of these guys questioning her come across as angry, chauvinistic clowns. And once again we have another "Clinton scandal" in which, when we get down to the details, it appears that she did absolutely nothing wrong or even questionable.
The only new info I've seen / heard was the 9/11/12 Nuland email saying there was "no connection" between the attack and the movie.

But I agree she's been very good and professional. Much better than last time. Actually if she keeps this up it takes the juice out of the 'what difference does it make' snippet.
Earlier Saints either you or someone else made the point that she should be questioned about US policy in Libya which ultimately led to these attacks. I think that's a very fair criticism of her and Obama, and one that could have a damaging effect on her overall credibility. Why DID she push to use our air force to help the Libyan rebels? Why not either send in ground troops and finish the job, or stay the hell away in the first place? These would not be easy questions for her to answer, and she really SHOULD answer them.

But instead they've concentrated on conspiracy crap.
Because we were "asked" by the French to do it? And if we said no then we would have kissed French support in future coalitions bye-bye. At least this effort was a better coalition than the sham one in Iraq II.

Now under the covers the real reason was to get Gaddafi out so we could prop up a new government that would use Halliburton, Schlumberger and other American multi nationals to pull oil out of the country in easily negotiable contracts with new puppet government.

 
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Why Doesn't Hillary Clinton Fire Blackwater?by
Jeremy Scahill, The Intercept
As a candidate for president, Hillary Clinton pledged to ban Blackwater. In February 2008, she announced that she would sign on as the co-sponsor of a little-known bill put forward in the House by Representative Jan Schakowsky and in the Senate by Bernie Sanders. The Stop Outsourcing Security, or SOS Act, sought to end the use of armed mercenaries in US war zones. Clinton became the only other senator to sign on to the bill and the most important political figure in the US to call for such a ban on “Blackwater and other private mercenary firms in Iraq:”

“These private security contractors have been reckless and have compromised our mission in Iraq,” Clinton said in a February 28, 2008 statement on the campaign trail. “The time to show these contractors the door is long past due. We need to stop filling the coffers of contractors in Iraq, and make sure that armed personnel in Iraq are fully accountable to the U.S. government and follow the chain of command.”

As Secretary of State, Clinton now presides over a diplomatic security force in Iraq that for the “indefinite” future will include Blackwater. ABC News’s “The Blotter” is reporting that Blackwater (which now does business as Xe Services and US Training Center) will continue to be the State Department’s aviation contractor in Iraq, despite a supposed Iraqi ban on the company.

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http://www.commondreams.org/views/2009/09/02/why-doesnt-hillary-clinton-fire-blackwater

 
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Wednesday, September 02, 2009
Why Doesn't Hillary Clinton Fire Blackwater?by
Jeremy Scahill, The Intercept
As a candidate for president, Hillary Clinton pledged to ban Blackwater. In February 2008, she announced that she would sign on as the co-sponsor of a little-known bill put forward in the House by Representative Jan Schakowsky and in the Senate by Bernie Sanders. The Stop Outsourcing Security, or SOS Act, sought to end the use of armed mercenaries in US war zones. Clinton became the only other senator to sign on to the bill and the most important political figure in the US to call for such a ban on “Blackwater and other private mercenary firms in Iraq:”

“These private security contractors have been reckless and have compromised our mission in Iraq,” Clinton said in a February 28, 2008 statement on the campaign trail. “The time to show these contractors the door is long past due. We need to stop filling the coffers of contractors in Iraq, and make sure that armed personnel in Iraq are fully accountable to the U.S. government and follow the chain of command.”

As Secretary of State, Clinton now presides over a diplomatic security force in Iraq that for the “indefinite” future will include Blackwater. ABC News’s “The Blotter” is reporting that Blackwater (which now does business as Xe Services and US Training Center) will continue to be the State Department’s aviation contractor in Iraq, despite a supposed Iraqi ban on the company.

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http://www.commondreams.org/views/2009/09/02/why-doesnt-hillary-clinton-fire-blackwater
almost to 1500 posts in here...keep it going!

 
Not generally a Hillary fan but can you watch this and think, I'd really rather have Ben Carson or Trump doing this geopolitical stuff?
Has she ever made a foreign policy decision that was right?
Whether it's attributed to Obama (as it should be), Clinton is attached to some pretty horrible foreign policy decisions. I think it's pretty tough to defend policy decisions around Iran, Syria and Russia, not to mention pretending Isis doesn't exist.
Voters don't care about foreign policy. Trump needs to explain his horrible decision to retail "Donald Trump The Fragrance" before I take him seriously as the leader of the free world.
Not generally a Hillary fan but can you watch this and think, I'd really rather have Ben Carson or Trump doing this geopolitical stuff?
Has she ever made a foreign policy decision that was right?
Whether it's attributed to Obama (as it should be), Clinton is attached to some pretty horrible foreign policy decisions. I think it's pretty tough to defend policy decisions around Iran, Syria and Russia, not to mention pretending Isis doesn't exist.
Voters don't care about foreign policy. Trump needs to explain his horrible decision to retail "Donald Trump The Fragrance" before I take him seriously as the leader of the free world.
Here we go.
Trump isn't a viable candidate (even though he actually is to quite a large %) to me. He has no policy solutions. He's an embarrassment to the Republican party, yet is dominating the establishment.

 
As expected, these hearings don't reveal much and Hillary can claim victory. Republicans will keep the drip, drip going on emails released every few weeks, etc, and the FBI investigation continues, but did this hearing provide any actual news? Hillary is way too smart to slip up on anything and the Republicans are asking odd questions.

 
wdcrob said:
She'd be well within her right to start dropping FUs about now. These are really offensive questions.
Do they honestly believe they're going to hurt her by this? The last woman, trying to claim she didn't care about her personnel? I mean what the hell is this? The other day I wrote that these committee members should apologize to the American people and resign, and that was a little tongue in cheek. But now I kinda mean it. This is really shameful.

 
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