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The email from Blumenthal to Hillary is from February 2013. He confirms the September 2012 report. See Point 4 in the Blumenthal memo.
So 5-6 months later, Blumenthal believed there were ties to the group that originally claimed responsibility, then retracted that claim the next morning.  What does Blumenthal's belief in Feb 2013 have to do with Hillary's state of mind on Sept 13 after the group had retracted their claim of responsibility?

 
So 5-6 months later, Blumenthal believed there were ties to the group that originally claimed responsibility, then retracted that claim the next morning.  What does Blumenthal's belief in Feb 2013 have to do with Hillary's state of mind on Sept 13 after the group had retracted their claim of responsibility?
Blumenthal is reporting from sources within the Algerian government, that's live intelligence from two ex-CIA agents, not looking at Facebook, stating the attack was funded in August 2012. If we believe Hillary it's a really sad commentary that our SOS was relying on Facebook to make military and foreign policy decisions. The point is that Hillary's live, contemporaneous statement to the Egyptian FM, which came after the men who were on the ground had returned - they had no doubt about what had happened, they were there - was confirmed with human intelligence to Hillary by people she trusted by February 2013.

 
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Blumenthal is reporting from sources within the Algerian government, that's live intelligence from two ex-CIA agents, not looking at Facebook, stating the attack was funded in August 2012. If we believe Hillary it's a really sad commentary that our SOS was relying on Facebook to make military and foreign policy decisions. The point is that Hillary's live, contemporaneous statement to the Egyptian FM, which came after the men who were on the ground had returned - they had no doubt about what had happened, they were there - was confirmed with human intelligence to Hillary by people she trusted by February 2013.

The odd thing about Hillary's attitude about the families is that she has also said they were lying. Hillary also told Congress that her public statement on the attack did not represent that the movie as being a source of the attack. I've been trying to find any place where Hillary did say that the movie was a cause. The father's journal would serve nicely but Hillary again has been claiming the families are lying about what she said. Strange tack to take if she is relying on the movie as cause of the attack.
Sorry, but I just don't buy this, at all.  You can take statements from folks who all witnessed a car wreck 3 hours earlier and there will be mistakes, inconsistencies, and flat out wrong information.  From people who both saw the accident and who were in it.  The idea that less than 24 hours after the attack was over we knew for sure all of the exact details and that there was absolutely no conflicting information isn't reasonable. 

Folks are so hell bent on turning this into some type of scandal that they ignore the obvious. This was a chaotic event during a chaotic time in a chaotic place. 

 
I don't believe for a second that Hillary and Nancy were friends. There's little reason to think Nancy was any more nice than Ronnie. There's a lot to hate the Clinton's for but even more to hate Ron and Nancy for. 

 
Sorry, but I just don't buy this, at all.  You can take statements from folks who all witnessed a car wreck 3 hours earlier and there will be mistakes, inconsistencies, and flat out wrong information.  From people who both saw the accident and who were in it.  The idea that less than 24 hours after the attack was over we knew for sure all of the exact details and that there was absolutely no conflicting information isn't reasonable. 

Folks are so hell bent on turning this into some type of scandal that they ignore the obvious. This was a chaotic event during a chaotic time in a chaotic place. 


Tommy fair enough, thanks for your feedback. IMO yes if someone sees an accident they can say what happened. The guys who were there know what happened to them. The Blumenthal memo is extremely clear as well and also provides additional information.These are all documents and emails which reflect what Hillary knew at the time, there is nothing like this, not a single email in everything that has come out, indicating that Hillary herself ever believed the movie was the cause of the attack. That doesn't mean she was part of some conspiracy, it just means to me that she never believed what the administration put out and she never has, and though she told the families what she did she did not believe that.

 
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I don't believe for a second that Hillary and Nancy were friends. There's little reason to think Nancy was any more nice than Ronnie. There's a lot to hate the Clinton's for but even more to hate Ron and Nancy for. 
:lmao:   The most beloved president of our time.  Yeah, the rabid left hates everything right because they are intolerant of anyone who dares to have a different opinion.  But that is not a reflection of normal people.  

 
Just for clarification: when I wrote that IMO Hillary did nothing wrong that means both legally AND ethically. She admits she made a mistake by insisting on a private server, and I agree with that. But IT WAS NOT WRONG. 

Thats my stance; please stop putting words in my mouth. 
WTF does the word mistake mean to you Tim?!?!? :lmao:

 
I don't believe for a second that Hillary and Nancy were friends. There's little reason to think Nancy was any more nice than Ronnie. There's a lot to hate the Clinton's for but even more to hate Ron and Nancy for. 
This is just wrong on so many levels and completely detached from reality.  

 
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I don't believe for a second that Hillary and Nancy were friends. There's little reason to think Nancy was any more nice than Ronnie. There's a lot to hate the Clinton's for but even more to hate Ron and Nancy for. 
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Oh come on!

 
Anyone who didn't know EXACTLY what happened in Benghazi the night of the attack is "incompetent"?  That's not reasonable Rich.
 
Dont' her emails to Chelsea on the night of and the recent remarks of the CIA station chief in Benghazi indicate that on the evening of they knew it wasn't a matter of the "video"

 
:lmao:   The most beloved president of our time.  Yeah, the rabid left hates everything right because they are intolerant of anyone who dares to have a different opinion.  But that is not a reflection of normal people.  
Republicans did not even like Reagan that much when he left office, his modern popularity is entirely manufactured. The overall public gave him an overall rating of mid 50's which is pretty average compared to other presidents, and Republicans gave him a rating in the 70's. It was not until the mid/late 1990's that he became a religious figure and his republican support jumped into the 90's. Any Republican who talks about how much they love Reagan is getting their entire opinion from the media. It is no different that the satanic panic or all the kids of falsely accusing people of child molestation in the 80's. It is easy to put ideas into people's heads, and where can you find a more gullible group of people than conservatives. Unless you want me to believe that all of these Republican's would love a tax raising president who voted for gun control. You know, like Reagan did.

"He will never again be the same Ronald Reagan he was before he blew it," said conservative Rep. Newt Gingrich in 1987 after the Iran-Contra scandal, which revealed that the administration was exchanging arms for hostages in Iran and using the proceeds to fund Nicaraguan rebels, all prohibited by Congress. "He is not going to regain our trust and our faith easily."

 
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Republicans did not even like Reagan that much when he left office, his modern popularity is entirely manufactured. The overall public gave him an overall rating of mid 50's which is pretty average compared to other presidents, and Republicans gave him a rating in the 70's. It was not until the mid/late 1990's that he became a religious figure and his republican support jumped into the 90's. Any Republican who talks about how much they love Reagan is getting their entire opinion from the media. It is no different that the satanic panic or all the kids of falsely accusing people of child molestation in the 80's. It is easy to put ideas into people's heads, and where can you find a more gullible group of people than conservatives. Unless you want me to believe that all of these Republican's would love a tax raising president who voted for gun control. You know, like Reagan did.

"He will never again be the same Ronald Reagan he was before he blew it," said conservative Rep. Newt Gingrich in 1987 after the Iran-Contra scandal, which revealed that the administration was exchanging arms for hostages in Iran and using the proceeds to fund Nicaraguan rebels, all prohibited by Congress. "He is not going to regain our trust and our faith easily."
Like Clinton's, i guess.

 
Seems like Clinton was liked more (if you mean Bill).

Gallup Historical Presidential Job Approval Statistics

Overall Averages


President



Dates in office



Average
approval rating










%



Harry Truman



April 1945-January 1953



45.4



Dwight Eisenhower



January 1953-January 1961



65.0



John Kennedy



January 1961-November 1963



70.1



Lyndon Johnson



November 1963-January 1969



55.1



Richard Nixon



January 1969-August 1974



49.0



Gerald Ford



August 1974-January 1977



47.2



Jimmy Carter



January 1977-January 1981



45.5



Ronald Reagan



January 1981-January 1989



52.8



George H.W. Bush



January 1989-January 1993



60.9



Bill Clinton



January 1993-January 2001



55.1



George W. Bush



January 2001-January 2009



49.4



 
Republicans did not even like Reagan that much when he left office, his modern popularity is entirely manufactured. The overall public gave him an overall rating of mid 50's which is pretty average compared to other presidents, and Republicans gave him a rating in the 70's. It was not until the mid/late 1990's that he became a religious figure and his republican support jumped into the 90's. Any Republican who talks about how much they love Reagan is getting their entire opinion from the media. It is no different that the satanic panic or all the kids of falsely accusing people of child molestation in the 80's. It is easy to put ideas into people's heads, and where can you find a more gullible group of people than conservatives. Unless you want me to believe that all of these Republican's would love a tax raising president who voted for gun control. You know, like Reagan did.

"He will never again be the same Ronald Reagan he was before he blew it," said conservative Rep. Newt Gingrich in 1987 after the Iran-Contra scandal, which revealed that the administration was exchanging arms for hostages in Iran and using the proceeds to fund Nicaraguan rebels, all prohibited by Congress. "He is not going to regain our trust and our faith easily."
That is a nice theory.  Too bad it is a bunch a BS. A lot of people here including myself grew up during those years and know you are completely wrong on your assessment.

 
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Seems like Clinton was liked more (if you mean Bill).

Gallup Historical Presidential Job Approval Statistics

Overall Averages


President



Dates in office



Average
approval rating










%



Harry Truman



April 1945-January 1953



45.4



Dwight Eisenhower



January 1953-January 1961



65.0



John Kennedy



January 1961-November 1963



70.1



Lyndon Johnson



November 1963-January 1969



55.1



Richard Nixon



January 1969-August 1974



49.0



Gerald Ford



August 1974-January 1977



47.2



Jimmy Carter



January 1977-January 1981



45.5



Ronald Reagan



January 1981-January 1989



52.8



George H.W. Bush



January 1989-January 1993



60.9



Bill Clinton



January 1993-January 2001



55.1



George W. Bush



January 2001-January 2009



49.4
By 2.3% - big deal. 

And your previous post only tells 1/2 the story:  He's #2 on the most admired presidents, #2 on the greatest presidents since WWII, #3 on the all time list  and this:

Both in and out of office, Reagan was always well-liked by the American public -- based on ratings measuring the public's personal opinion rather than its assessment of his job performance. Between 1984 and 1988, Gallup consistently found more than 6 in 10 Americans holding a favorable view of Reagan, including a substantial 81% in October 1986. Even during the 1982 recession, when only about 4 in 10 Americans approved of the job Reagan was doing as president, 6 in 10 Americans rated him on the positive end of a 10-point rating scale. In Gallup's most recent measure of favorability about Reagan, taken in January 2001, 74% of Americans had a favorable opinion of him, and only 23% were unfavorable.
 
The general election is not the same as his approval rating. When he left office he was not viewed any more favorably by Republicans than either Bush was. His popularity only exceeded them 10 years after he left office.

 
The general election is not the same as his approval rating. When he left office he was not viewed any more favorably by Republicans than either Bush was. His popularity only exceeded them 10 years after he left office.
As someone who lived through both of those times, that's hardly the way I remember it.  Reagan left with the Soviet Union crumbling, GW Bush left with us mired in an unwinnable war in Iraq.

 
The general election is not the same as his approval rating. When he left office he was not viewed any more favorably by Republicans than either Bush was. His popularity only exceeded them 10 years after he left office.
Nice fishing alias.  I am not going to argue with ignorance.  

 
Anecdotes are not needed, you can just look at the polls yourself, rather than try and accurately remember something from almost 30 years ago. 

 
Anecdotes are not needed, you can just look at the polls yourself, rather than try and accurately remember something from almost 30 years ago. 
You also are using an average number where GW Bush's numbers would be skewed by the 9/11 reaction of the public to a level that would be an anomaly in any statistical sample.  You need to brush up on statistics.

 
Anecdotes are not needed, you can just look at the polls yourself, rather than try and accurately remember something from almost 30 years ago. 
Polls are influenced by numerous things.  In the early few years of Reagan the economy was in the dumps still and Reagan's number suffered.  During the middle years, Reagan's ratings were very high, usually in the 60's.  Then towards the end, Iran-contra knock him down to the low 50's,  People who lived through those years, know what Reagan did for the morale of the nation and for helping turn the economy around.  Most people today consider him one of the great Presidents in US history.  Your metric for evaluating presidencies is very shallow and you only use it because it is one metric which Reagan only did average on.  

 
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:lmao:   The most beloved president of our time.  Yeah, the rabid left hates everything right because they are intolerant of anyone who dares to have a different opinion.  But that is not a reflection of normal people.  
Reagan's presidency isn't holding up well over time.  It's amazing that you Reagan rimmers believe that Hillary isn't fit to lead due to being careless about emails, but are willing to overlook Ronnie selling arms to Iranians.  

 
Good lord she was ugly as sin back then too.  No wonder Bill was tapping Lewinsky.
Really wish there'd be less of this.  When you focus on body and looks it diminishes the real substantive issues with her as a leader.  It's too easy and frankly a fair point when you focus on the superficial to pin differences as related to disrespect of women.  

 
Dont' her emails to Chelsea on the night of and the recent remarks of the CIA station chief in Benghazi indicate that on the evening of they knew it wasn't a matter of the "video"
Her email to Chelsea indicates what she thought at the time. That could have changed the next minute after the email was sent, or the next hour, or the next day, as new information arose.  

 
Her email to Chelsea indicates what she thought at the time. That could have changed the next minute after the email was sent, or the next hour, or the next day, as new information arose.  
Hillary lies.  She calculates what's she needs to say and lies.  It's what she does.  

 
Tommy fair enough, thanks for your feedback. IMO yes if someone sees an accident they can say what happened. The guys who were there know what happened to them. The Blumenthal memo is extremely clear as well and also provides additional information.These are all documents and emails which reflect what Hillary knew at the time, there is nothing like this, not a single email in everything that has come out, indicating that Hillary herself ever believed the movie was the cause of the attack. That doesn't mean she was part of some conspiracy, it just means to me that she never believed what the administration put out and she never has, and though she told the families what she did she did not believe that.
Piece of wisdom someone far wiser than me shared around a decade or so ago when I was constantly outraged - stay away from purporting to know someone's motivations when it comes to politics.  Stick with facts and assume either neutrality or give them the benefit of the doubt.  

It has served me well. While I generally disagree with the policies and worldview of most Republican politicians, I generally give them the benefit of the doubt and believe that they have good intentions, but are simply wrong.  

Feel free to ignore - just thought I would share. When you constantly believe the politicians you oppose have evil intentions, you end up in some silly, silly places.  

 
Piece of wisdom someone far wiser than me shared around a decade or so ago when I was constantly outraged - stay away from purporting to know someone's motivations when it comes to politics.  Stick with facts and assume either neutrality or give them the benefit of the doubt.  

It has served me well. While I generally disagree with the policies and worldview of most Republican politicians, I generally give them the benefit of the doubt and believe that they have good intentions, but are simply wrong.  

Feel free to ignore - just thought I would share. When you constantly believe the politicians you oppose have evil intentions, you end up in some silly, silly places.  
This is bull####.  Take a guy like Trump.  You can't give him the benefit of the doubt,. It's out and out dangerous.  Patriotism is satire, cynicism and doubt with a backbone, 

 
Seems like Clinton was liked more (if you mean Bill).

Gallup Historical Presidential Job Approval Statistics

Overall Averages


President



Dates in office



Average
approval rating










%



Harry Truman



April 1945-January 1953



45.4



Dwight Eisenhower



January 1953-January 1961



65.0



John Kennedy



January 1961-November 1963



70.1



Lyndon Johnson



November 1963-January 1969



55.1



Richard Nixon



January 1969-August 1974



49.0



Gerald Ford



August 1974-January 1977



47.2



Jimmy Carter



January 1977-January 1981



45.5



Ronald Reagan



January 1981-January 1989



52.8



George H.W. Bush



January 1989-January 1993



60.9



Bill Clinton



January 1993-January 2001



55.1



George W. Bush



January 2001-January 2009



49.4


Most popular one got capped

 
Her email to Chelsea indicates what she thought at the time. That could have changed the next minute after the email was sent, or the next hour, or the next day, as new information arose.  
Forgetting whatever narrative of defense structure you're suggesting, do YOU believe what you're saying COULD have happened? 

 
It isn't. It verifies what I have saying for over a year in this thread, that if Bernie is the candidate we will see the GOP, the Republican nominee, and the right wing blogosphere trot out the Socialist/Communist card.  Trump is already starting the drumbeat.
They'll call Hillary a Socialist too.

 
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They could call an axe murderer too, and it would have the same impact (none). Obama was also called a socialist and how do that work out?

Unlike Bernie she has never labeled herself as a Socialist and that is the killer for Bernie in the general election.
Except she's adopted just about every position Sanders has.  And according to you there won't be time to educate people anyway.  So Trump calling her a Socialist will have zero impact but it will cause Bernie to lose? 

 
Except she's adopted just about every position Sanders has.  And according to you there won't be time to educate people anyway.  So Trump calling her a Socialist will have zero impact but it will cause Bernie to lose? 
Well, duh, she has never, ever, even once, not one time labeled herself as a Socialist. If they call her that she can truthfully refute it. While Bernie will admit it proudly  as he has done repeatedly. And she has adopted just about every position Bernie has? Like single payer? Like free college for everyone? (The list of differences goes on but is pointless to recap).

 
Piece of wisdom someone far wiser than me shared around a decade or so ago when I was constantly outraged - stay away from purporting to know someone's motivations when it comes to politics.  Stick with facts and assume either neutrality or give them the benefit of the doubt.  

It has served me well. While I generally disagree with the policies and worldview of most Republican politicians, I generally give them the benefit of the doubt and believe that they have good intentions, but are simply wrong.  

Feel free to ignore - just thought I would share. When you constantly believe the politicians you oppose have evil intentions, you end up in some silly, silly places.  
So, you're giving Trump the benefit of the doubt right?? :lmao:   :lmao:   

This is a load of horse####, even by your standards.

 
Well, duh, she has never, ever, even once, not one time labeled herself as a Socialist. If they call her that she can truthfully refute it. While Bernie will admit it proudly  as he has done repeatedly. And she has adopted just about every position Bernie has? Like single payer? Like free college for everyone? (The list of differences goes on but is pointless to recap).
Not unless she flips on her positions.  Even the general public gets math like A=B and B=C then A=C.  She keeps her platform the only thing she can do "truthfully" is embrace the label as Bernie has, but she won't do that.

 
Hillary does not even have any idea what the difference betwen her and a Socialist is.



 
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The American people are too smart to believe the conservatives when they call Hillary a socialist even though she currently holds the same views as a self described socialist because she hasn't actually called herself a socialist before and the American people aren't idiots and can use critical thinking skills. 

The American people will dislike Bernie when conservatives call him a socialist because he has called himself a socialist and they're unwilling to listen to him explain himself because they lack the ability or desire to pay attention to a nuanced discussion. 

 
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