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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (9 Viewers)

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The Clintons are just straight trolling right wingers at this point.  Obama did this stuff too... sort of dog whistle in reverse to rile up the already rabid.

She couldn't be more inoculated against future scandal if there was an actual vaccine.  Hopefully they impeach her straight out of the gate so she gets the anti-loon poll bounce at the beginning of her term instead of the end.

 
Report: Top aide said Clinton destroyed State Dept. schedules


Hillary Clinton’s top aide said during a deposition that the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee destroyed her schedules as the head of the State Department, according to a new report.

Huma Abedin revealed the information last week during a deposition over Clinton’s use of a private email server while secretary of State, The New York Post reported Monday.

“If there was a schedule that was created that was her secretary of State daily schedule, and a copy of that was then put in the burn bag, that . . . that certainly happened on . . . on more than one occasion,” Abedin reportedly said while she was being deposed by Judicial Watch, which is seeking access to Clinton’s emails.

Abedin’s comments came in response to a question from a Judicial Watch lawyer: “And during your tenure at the State Department, were you aware of your obligation not to delete federal records or destroy federal records?"

Clinton has previously said she destroyed “personal emails,” but this is the first time her aides have said she got rid of official State documents that are considered public records, according to the Post.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/286435-huma-abedin-clinton-state-schedules-destroyed

Whhheeeee!!!

 
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“If there was a schedule that was created that was her secretary of State daily schedule, and a copy of that was then put in the burn bag..."

This is in regard to a paper copy of the schedule, not a digital version of the schedule.  This is according to the transcript of Abedin's deposition and it does not detail what became of the original schedule.  Presumably the original is still archived on some server somewhere.

 
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dutch said:
“If there was a schedule that was created that was her secretary of State daily schedule, and a copy of that was then put in the burn bag..."

This is in regard to a paper copy of the schedule, not a digital version of the schedule.  This is according to the transcript of Abedin's deposition and it does not detail what became of the original schedule.  Presumably the original is still archived on some server somewhere.
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Putin probably has a copy if Bill accidentally overwrote it when trying to make space on their server for downloading pr0n.

 
dutch said:
“If there was a schedule that was created that was her secretary of State daily schedule, and a copy of that was then put in the burn bag..."

This is in regard to a paper copy of the schedule, not a digital version of the schedule.  This is according to the transcript of Abedin's deposition and it does not detail what became of the original schedule.  Presumably the original is still archived on some server somewhere.
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Hillary destroyed her electronic data off her server. If her Outlook had her personally calendared schedules they are *gone if not somehow reflected in the emails she chose to turn over or in others'. Given the fact she only turned over emails and we know she deleted everything else I'd say it's reasonable to conclude she destroyed her entire calendar and any other non email Outlook items. In addition It turns out there were scores of meetings left off her "official" calendar so no it's not clear where else these would be entirely reflected. Maybe nowhere.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Hillary destroyed her electronic data off her server. If her Outlook had her personally calendared schedules they are *gone if not somehow reflected in the emails she chose to turn over or in others'. Given the fact she only turned over emails and we know she deleted everything else I'd say it's reasonable to conclude she destroyed her entire calendar and any other non email Outlook items. In addition It turns out there were scores of meetings left off her "official" calendar so no it's not clear where else these would be entirely reflected. Maybe nowhere.
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This sums up you as a poster in a nutshell Saints.  You bash Hillary and insinuate wrongdoing by claiming that she "destroyed her entire calendar and any other non-email outlook items".  

Yet in the VERY NEXT SENTENCE in yet another attempt to bash Hillary, you cite an article where Hillary's official calendar was of course produced, analyzed, and scrutinized by a 3rd party.  

 
tommyGunZ said:
This sums up you as a poster in a nutshell Saints.  You bash Hillary and insinuate wrongdoing by claiming that she "destroyed her entire calendar and any other non-email outlook items".  

Yet in the VERY NEXT SENTENCE in yet another attempt to bash Hillary, you cite an article where Hillary's official calendar was of course produced, analyzed, and scrutinized by a 3rd party.  
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With meetings excluded.

But yes I always do provide my sources so you can make up your own mind.

 
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Reports that FBI Directory James Comey will address reporters at 11am Eastern today.

If this is the result of the investigation then I think it's safe to assume no indictment is coming since it's only 3 days after the interview with Hillary.

 
If there is no indictment, then the question becomes how will the majority of the American people interpret this? 

1. From the Clinton campaign: there is no indictment because Hillary Clinton is innocent; she did nothing seriously wrong. 

2. From the Trump campaign: there is no indictment because the system is rigged. 

Which answer will they choose to believe? 

 
Does the dump of emails from Wiki change anything? Is there anything of note in those emails? Were these "missing" emails?

 
timschochet said:
If there is no indictment, then the question becomes how will the majority of the American people interpret this? 

1. From the Clinton campaign: there is no indictment because Hillary Clinton is innocent; she did nothing seriously wrong. 

2. From the Trump campaign: there is no indictment because the system is rigged. 

Which answer will they choose to believe? 
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I think most people are dug into their corners and believe what they want to believe.

 
timschochet said:
If there is no indictment, then the question becomes how will the majority of the American people interpret this? 

1. From the Clinton campaign: there is no indictment because Hillary Clinton is innocent; she did nothing seriously wrong. 

2. From the Trump campaign: there is no indictment because the system is rigged. 

Which answer will they choose to believe? 
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As always it's a question of fundamentals. The best thing the administration can do is make the process as transparent as possible. If Comey speaks to all charges and issues a report with his sign off that will help prevent a big problem for Hillary, the possibility of post decision leaks. They next need to be forthcoming about what data was recovered and how it will be released. I think if they do those two things Hillary can avoid more damage.

eta - However there's zero doubt in my mind she will get a big bump out of this. I think Trump fans need to worry about him falling into the -15 to -20 range in some polls prior to the GOP convention.

 
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cubd8 said:
Does the dump of emails from Wiki change anything? Is there anything of note in those emails? Were these "missing" emails?
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I posted on this further up. The first batch at least are an organized set of what was already released, 1000 emails dedicated to Iraq. It may have value for crowd sourcers and historians but it's not new data.

 
timschochet said:
If there is no indictment, then the question becomes how will the majority of the American people interpret this? 

1. From the Clinton campaign: there is no indictment because Hillary Clinton is innocent; she did nothing seriously wrong. 

2. From the Trump campaign: there is no indictment because the system is rigged. 

Which answer will they choose to believe? 
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If there is no indictment Hillary wins easily

 
Sounds like he's going to take questions off camera.  I'm starting to think this will just be a statement of "the investigation is still on going" type of thing, not necessarily that it has concluded and here are the results.

 
timschochet said:
If there is no indictment, then the question becomes how will the majority of the American people interpret this? 

1. From the Clinton campaign: there is no indictment because Hillary Clinton is innocent; she did nothing seriously wrong. 

2. From the Trump campaign: there is no indictment because the system is rigged. 

Which answer will they choose to believe? 
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Of course she did something wrong, she has apologized and there are non-partisan reports which detail it.  The system is not really rigged, but being a high-powered figure does give you a benefit of the doubt which the average citizen would not have.  There is not clear cut evidence she either intentionally did it and proving she was grossly negligent is a gray area of the law.  Hillary absolutely did this to avoid FOIA oversight and was wrong for doing it.  But there is not a slam dunk criminal case here.  So as usual, the truth is in the middle and the rhetoric for both sides is ridiculous. 

 
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Of course she did something wrong, she has apologized and there are non-partisan reports which detail it.  The system is not really rigged, but being a high-powered figure does give you a benefit of the doubt which the average citizen would not have.  There is not clear cut evidence she either intentionally did it and proving she was grossly negligent is a gray area of the law.  Hillary absolutely did this to avoid FOIA oversight and was wrong for doing it.  But there is not a slam dunk criminal case here.  So as usual, the truth is in the middle and the rhetoric for both sides is ridiculous. 
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I just go back to the the thought that many others in government have been prosecuted or disciplined for doing things significantly less than what she did.  I don't know why we should give higher profile figures the benefit of the doubt.  If anything, we should be setting a much higher standard for them.

 
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BeaverCleaver said:
I highly doubt after a long holiday weekend after they interviewed her they are going to announce there will not be an indictment. 
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Not to mention Obama appears with Hillary at 130 pm, I doubt Comey says 'Ok no charges, no problem!' And then a couple hours later Obama emerges with Hillary. My guess is Comey says the process is still underway.

eta - things I'd like to know: was Hillary advised of her rights? Was 18 USC 1001 evoked? Did Hillary plea the 5th at any point? Have there been any immunity agreements or side agreements to limit questioning besides Pagliano's? Are all statutes being investigated? Has Hillary's data been recovered and if so what will be done with it?

 
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tommyGunZ said:
This sums up you as a poster in a nutshell Saints.  You bash Hillary and insinuate wrongdoing by claiming that she "destroyed her entire calendar and any other non-email outlook items".  

Yet in the VERY NEXT SENTENCE in yet another attempt to bash Hillary, you cite an article where Hillary's official calendar was of course produced, analyzed, and scrutinized by a 3rd party.  
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Tommy, pot, kettle, black. You are summed up as well.  Hillary kept at least 75 meetings off the books, as discovered by the Associated Press, and you utterly ignore this fact and its implications.  

 
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Tommy, pot, kettle, black. You are summed up as well.  Hillary kept at least 75 meetings off the books, as discovered by the Associated Press, and you utterly ignore this fact and its implications.  
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It's well-known that he's a complete shill for the left.  He can't or won't grasp the actual truth as it might wreck his world, so he stays in his Talking Point Fantasy Land.

 
MaxThreshold said:
It's well-known that he's a complete shill for the left.  He can't or won't grasp the actual truth as it might wreck his world, so he stays in his Talking Point Fantasy Land.
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I lived in LA for 12 years, and half my company was in NY. In entertainment. I rarely came across a dissenting viewpoint from pure liberalism.  Many of my dear friends are still in that bubble.  Good, well meaning people -- sheltered from much of reality.

One posted a link on Facebook to a story about a civil suit filed by a girl who was 13 and claimed to have been raped by Trump, at Jeffrey Epstein's apartment.  I reminded her that Epstein is also connected to Bill.  26 flights, 5 with ditched Secret Service.  Does it bother her that the future First Man and economic czar is also implicated?  

A little back and forth, I asked her to Google "Lolita Express" if she doesn't want to take my word... She posts that she's tired of Clinton conspiracy theories, blah, blah, blah...

The plane was a brothel for underage sex slaves.  

Some people are so entrenched on one side, they can't even hear the screams of the other.  She completely accepted and broadcast the Trump allegation, no questions.  Won't even hear the Clinton ones.  

I'm disgusted by all of it.  Burn it all down!

 
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timschochet said:
If there is no indictment, then the question becomes how will the majority of the American people interpret this? 

1. From the Clinton campaign: there is no indictment because Hillary Clinton is innocent; she did nothing seriously wrong. 

2. From the Trump campaign: there is no indictment because the system is rigged. 

Which answer will they choose to believe? 
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3rd option.

3.  Others who are not for Trump or Hillary who don't think the system is rigged...just that they won't indict her.  They will say not enough evidence...but there was most likely wrongdoings that would have led "lesser" known people to be indicted and prosecuted.

 
MaxThreshold said:
don't have access to tv.  What's he saying?
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He's going through the process of investigation (email server deleted, all the emails in the slack space of the server, etc.) and has just gone through how many emails were top secret, secret, or confidential at the time they were sent.  

 
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