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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (9 Viewers)

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Don't Noonan said:
It is obvious the media is treating the Khan family better than her.  Trump made a stupid comment that is being blown out of proportion. I get it if you don't like Trump, he was not one of my top 4 choices, but there are plentybof reasons to dislike Trump than the Khan story.

She is upset at Hillary's role in Benghazi and the way it was swept under the rug.
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Attacking a mother and father whose son died in battle is not a stupid comment, it is a horrific comment. And the controversy would have died but Trump keeps bringing it up. He won't let it go. Which is excellent proof why he can't be President. he does not have the temperment.

 
badmojo1006 said:
Attacking a mother and father whose son died in battle is not a stupid comment, it is a horrific comment. And the controversy would have died but Trump keeps bringing it up. He won't let it go. Which is excellent proof why he can't be President. he does not have the temperment.
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Agreed he doesn't have the tempermant but I have heard Hillary is very much the same, only she is not stupid enough to be addressing the press of the cuff and tweeting stuff out

 
Don't Noonan said:
Agreed he doesn't have the tempermant but I have heard Hillary is very much the same, only she is not stupid enough to be addressing the press of the cuff and tweeting stuff out
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Hillary has been taking s*** from everybody for the past 30 years. Maybe she has and I don't know about it, but I have yet to see her blow up like Trump has done in just the past 2 weeks. Did she blow her cool when she was called to the Benghazi senate investigation and was there for over 10 hours? Trump wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes.

You may disagree with most of what she stands for and I disagree with some of her policies, but she has the level-headness to do this job.

 
badmojo1006 said:
Hillary has been taking s*** from everybody for the past 30 years. Maybe she has and I don't know about it, but I have yet to see her blow up like Trump has done in just the past 2 weeks. Did she blow her cool when she was called to the Benghazi senate investigation and was there for over 10 hours? Trump wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes.

You may disagree with most of what she stands for and I disagree with some of her policies, but she has the level-headness to do this job.
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well, she may have called someone a derogatory term forty years ago according to Rove!

 
badmojo1006 said:
Hillary has been taking s*** from everybody for the past 30 years. Maybe she has and I don't know about it, but I have yet to see her blow up like Trump has done in just the past 2 weeks. Did she blow her cool when she was called to the Benghazi senate investigation and was there for over 10 hours? Trump wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes.

You may disagree with most of what she stands for and I disagree with some of her policies, but she has the level-headness to do this job.
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No, she handles herself well in public.  I have heard she is a grade A biaatch in private and treats everyone horribly.

 
Don't Noonan said:
Agreed he doesn't have the tempermant but I have heard Hillary is very much the same, only she is not stupid enough to be addressing the press of the cuff and tweeting stuff out
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Friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a cabinet member? 

 
squistion said:
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Edward Mejia Davis‏@TeddyDavisCNN 7m7 minutes ago

CNN Poll Post-Democratic Convention

Clinton 52

Trump 43

7-point convention bounce for Clinton
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Yeah I don't think she's looking back now.

Over 50 at this stage is ridiculous.

And they're both totally known quantities.

The timing of the Khan thing has been unbelievable. Just when any remaining voters who could not make up their mind had finally emerged from balancing both conventions, Donald hits them with almost the most unacceptable attack imaginable. He does that at just that key moment.

 
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wait....are we now allowed to look at polls???  Does "national polling" mean a whole lot with this wonderful electoral college we have?

 
I've always embraced national polls in the sense that if you comfortably outside of the margin of error, there's no way you're losing.  Both Apple and Hillary up big this past week.  Its been a good week.

 
No, she handles herself well in public. I have heard she is a grade A biaatch in private and treats everyone horribly.
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I heard the same thing, then I saw all these random people saying nice things about her at the convention. Like the guy with a rare form of dwarfism who said that Hillary would send him a note every time he had another surgery, even though it had been several years since she met him. Or the 9/11 survivor who said that Hillary would frequently check in with her to see how her recovery was going, or the 9/11 survivor whose legs were nearly cut off -- she told Hillary that her dream was to someday dance at her own wedding. And not only did she dance at her wedding, but Hillary showed up unannounced to see her.

And yes, I'm sure a lot of this was typical phony-baloney politician stuff. But what really struck me about all these speeches is that I didn't see the same thing from the Republicans. Where were the speeches from everyday blue collar people who proclaimed that Donald Trump made a difference in their lives? All of Trump's character references were millionaires and family members.

Anyway, I thought it was weird. The DNC managed to humanize Hillary to me. And I kept waiting to see the human side of Trump at the RNC, but it never happened.

 
Joe Summer said:
I heard the same thing, then I saw all these random people saying nice things about her at the convention. Like the guy with a rare form of dwarfism who said that Hillary would send him a note every time he had another surgery, even though it had been several years since she met him. Or the 9/11 survivor who said that Hillary would frequently check in with her to see how her recovery was going, or the 9/11 survivor whose legs were nearly cut off -- she told Hillary that her dream was to someday dance at her own wedding. And not only did she dance at her wedding, but Hillary showed up unannounced to see her.

And yes, I'm sure a lot of this was typical phony-baloney politician stuff. But what really struck me about all these speeches is that I didn't see the same thing from the Republicans. Where were the speeches from everyday blue collar people who proclaimed that Donald Trump made a difference in their lives? All of Trump's character references were millionaires and family members.

Anyway, I thought it was weird. The DNC managed to humanize Hillary to me. And I kept waiting to see the human side of Trump at the RNC, but it never happened.
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I posted in the other thread how impressed I was with Trump's kids.  Not just the stories they told of their Dad, because as you said, it could be political nonsense.   They were extremely well spoken, intelligent, and just seemed to ooze character and success.  I believe that says a lot about their Dad and that he is a quality guy.

 
Quez said:
This one is shows how the corporate scum see wars & destabilization as an opportunity for profit.  I was a big critic of Cheney & Haliburton after Iraq, but I guess all these rotten politicians are the same.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/wikileaks-hillary/
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Quez I think you have this covered in the DNC thread, I just thought I would point out something separate here in this thread:

From 1990 to 1992, Clinton served on Lafarge’s Board of Directors. Under her tenure, Lafarge’s Ohio subsidiary was caught burning hazardous waste to fuel cement plants. Clinton defended the decision at the time.

Then just before her husband, Bill Clinton, was elected president in 1992, Lafarge was fined $1.8 million by the Environmental Protection Agency for these pollution violations. Hillary Clinton had left the board of Lafarge in spring, just after her husband won the Democrat nomination. A year later, under Bill’s presidency, the Clinton administration reduced Lafarge’s EPA fine to less than $600,000.
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http://www.thecanary.co/2016/07/29/paris-strikes-astonishing-partnership-secret-isis-sponsor-ties-hillary-clinton/

- Something that always bugs me about Hillary (and Bill) is that when people get past the claims of criminal wrongdoing or nefarious behavior there is still the fact of... what the hell they were actually doing.

- So why the heck was Hillary Clinton on the Lafarge Board of Directors in 1990-92?

- This is environmental damage by a company that Hillary was a Director on - but what does that have to do with Arkansas? Welll...

WHILE CLINTON POLITICKED; WIFE BUILT INCOME

...Her affiliation with another corporation, however, had not been publicized. The tax returns showed she was earning $31,000 a year serving on the board of the Lafarge Corp. Headquartered in Reston, Va., Lafarge is a Fortune 500 company that had a subsidiary engaged in the burning of hazardous wastes to fuel cement plants.

Hazardous wastes burned in cement kilns include everything from carcinogenic solvents such as acetone and benzene to paint, ink and waste oils.

At the time, Lafarge was operating 16 full-production cement plants, four cement-grinding plants and more than 100 distribution facilities throughout the United States and Canada.

The subsidiary in question, Systech Environmental Corp. of Xenia, Ohio, had been targeted by environmentalists and community activists in Texas, Indiana, Alabama, California, Michigan, Ohio and Kansas.

When the Lafarge connection was made public, Hillary Clinton came under attack from environmentalists nationwide.

"How can you be concerned with the environment and sit on the board of a French-owned company that has only one thing in mind -- to make money?" asked David Wallace, founder of a grass-roots organization in Texas that was fighting a Systech burning plan there. "I think it's atrocious. Mr. Clinton and Mrs. Clinton have both come out as environmentalists. Lafarge is not a company that promotes the environment. If Mrs. Clinton really was an environmentalist, she would resign tonight."

On May 4, 1992, Hillary Clinton abruptly left the Lafarge, Wal-Mart and TCBY boards.

"I have concluded that my full-time participation in my husband's presidential campaign prevents me from fulfilling my responsibilities as a director in the public companies," she said in a statement released by the campaign.

She did not note that to spare her husband further political embarrassment, she was willing to give up a large portion of the family's income. In addition to the $31,000 per year from Lafarge, Wal-Mart was paying her $18,000 per year in quarterly increments as well as $1,500 for every meeting attended. TCBY paid her $5,000 per year and $1,000 for each meeting attended.

After Hillary Clinton resigned from the boards, Kim Hopper, a campaign aide, said, "No specter of conflict of interest influenced Hillary's decision."

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- Arkansas Democrat-Gazette (Little Rock, AR) - April 3, 1994

- Unlike Wal-Mart Lafarge does not appear to be an AR company, it's not really clear how Hillary ended up on their payday list. However like Tyson and some other Rose law firm clients they were apparently major polluters facing regulation.

 
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Don't Noonan said:
I posted in the other thread how impressed I was with Trump's kids.  Not just the stories they told of their Dad, because as you said, it could be political nonsense.   They were extremely well spoken, intelligent, and just seemed to ooze character and success.  I believe that says a lot about their Dad and that he is a quality guy.
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People keep saying this. I don't get it. The two sons were idiotic (though Don Jr was a good speaker). The younger daughter was worse and acted like she barely knew her dad. And Ivanka, who is very hot, called for a Democratic agenda (equal pay and family leave) which her dad doesn't even endorse. 

I didn't get the impression that their dad had anything to do with their upbringing. 

 
timschochet said:
People keep saying this. I don't get it. The two sons were idiotic (though Don Jr was a good speaker). The younger daughter was worse and acted like she barely knew her dad. And Ivanka, who is very hot, called for a Democratic agenda (equal pay and family leave) which her dad doesn't even endorse. 

I didn't get the impression that their dad had anything to do with their upbringing. 
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Well Ivanka and Chelsea as we know are very good friends. And Bill and Donald obviously had some kind of friendship leading into last year.

I think the story is that after the divorce Ivana raised the kids until they were of age and then Don trained them in the ways of the business world. They're an impressive brood and it's pretty impossible not to give Donald and Ivanka (and Marla) high marks for them. They were obviously good parents for the most part by the looks of it. I think the same could be said of Bill and Hillary.

 
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badmojo1006 said:
Hillary has been taking s*** from everybody for the past 30 years. Maybe she has and I don't know about it, but I have yet to see her blow up like Trump has done in just the past 2 weeks. Did she blow her cool when she was called to the Benghazi senate investigation and was there for over 10 hours? Trump wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes.

You may disagree with most of what she stands for and I disagree with some of her policies, but she has the level-headness is cold enough under pressure to do this job.
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More how I see it. In spite of her affection for children she has ice water in her veins. Trump has fireball in his.

 
bueno said:
More how I see it. In spite of her affection for children she has ice water in her veins. Trump has fireball in his.
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Tell me, do most star athletes have ice water in their veins? That they are calm and cool under pressure?

Which would you rather have, Joe Montana (calm and cool and ice water in his veins) or Ryan Leaf (or somebody who explodes and wilts under the pressure)? 

 
'I'm not saying she's a lying about what happened,  but she's absolutely wrong.'

I'm sorry but that's pretty much calling a person a liar.  Adding insult to injury, after she lied to to her face about it being a protest in the first place....

 
Rove! said:
'I'm not saying she's a lying about what happened,  but she's absolutely wrong.'

I'm sorry but that's pretty much calling a person a liar.  Adding insult to injury, after she lied to to her face about it being a protest in the first place....
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But it isn't actually calling a person a liar, now is it?

 
timschochet said:
People keep saying this. I don't get it. The two sons were idiotic (though Don Jr was a good speaker). The younger daughter was worse and acted like she barely knew her dad. And Ivanka, who is very hot, called for a Democratic agenda (equal pay and family leave) which her dad doesn't even endorse. 

I didn't get the impression that their dad had anything to do with their upbringing. 
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Trumo did say something about raising the minimum wage the other day to 10 bucks or so

i think he also is and has been on board with gay rights

There have been reports that women who work for his companies do very well in terms of pay and advancement

 
msommer said:
But it isn't actually calling a person a liar, now is it?
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Either she's saying she lied or she's stupid and can't understand simple words or some other insulting insinuation....terrible way to treat a gold star mom after you lied to her the first place about the stupid video to her face.

 
Clinton stretches her lead out to somewhere between 3.7 and 5.5.  Every single poll coming in has her up pretty significantly vs one week ago.  Another day or two and she could have a consensus 6+ point lead in the polling averages again.

Forget where I saw it today, but someone who follows this stuff said that in the last 16 elections the candidate leading a couple weeks after the 2nd convention ended went on to win the race in all 16 of them.

 
wdcrob said:
Clinton stretches her lead out to somewhere between 3.7 and 5.5.  Every single poll coming in has her up pretty significantly vs one week ago.  Another day or two and she could have a consensus 6+ point lead in the polling averages again.

Forget where I saw it today, but someone who follows this stuff said that in the last 16 elections the candidate leading a couple weeks after the 2nd convention ended went on to win the race in all 16 of them.
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The conventions were earlier this year than they have been in a long time though. So more time for something to go wrong for Hillary.

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
The conventions were earlier this year than they have been in a long time though. So more time for something to go wrong for Hillary.
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I think that's what it requires at this point.  She's still not well liked at all, but Trump is despised, and I think this Khan thing is really causing folks to seethe.  It's not that, in a vacuum, it's any worse than the other crap spewing from trump's brain on a day to day basis.  It just seems to hit home and his who attack on the family is antithetical to American exceptionality, which he needs as his message--not to sabotage it.

Hillary's big vulnerability here is if some boogie man jumps out of the wikileaks thing, connects all the dots with the Foundation and pay for play schemes, and whatever else might be lurking.  But, absent those fantasies and/or an abysmal/embarrassing debate performance, Hillary wins this thing.

 
wdcrob said:
Clinton stretches her lead out to somewhere between 3.7 and 5.5.  Every single poll coming in has her up pretty significantly vs one week ago.  Another day or two and she could have a consensus 6+ point lead in the polling averages again.

Forget where I saw it today, but someone who follows this stuff said that in the last 16 elections the candidate leading a couple weeks after the 2nd convention ended went on to win the race in all 16 of them.
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Someone posted an article here from before the convention saying just that, the one caveat being that the conventions have almost always come a little later in the year.

 
Don't Noonan said:
I posted in the other thread how impressed I was with Trump's kids.  Not just the stories they told of their Dad, because as you said, it could be political nonsense.   They were extremely well spoken, intelligent, and just seemed to ooze character and success.  I believe that says a lot about their Dad and that he is a quality guy.
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Or a great nanny. Just fantastic.

 
 
Hillary has a bounce going now!  Looking at past polling, the candidate that got the bounce after both conventions ended won every election except in 1980.

In 1980, Carter got the big bounce coming out of the conventions and held almost a double digit lead in October 1980.  Reagan somehow closed the gap and won 49 states.  There have been some near-misses.   I was skeptical Hillary would get a bounce but she has, and that is tremendously good news for her.  I think we can all but dismiss Trump as a threat.

 
NutterButter said:
Nonsense.  Its Hillary, she must be guilty.  And don't give me this nonsense about it happen two decades ago and ISIS not even existing yet.   She should've known.   Shouldn't we be setting a higher bar for someone that's running for president.
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True...She was from Illinois originally right? Even though she wasn't born yet, she was definitely responsible for the Chicago Fire

 
Black Lives Matter Coalition is learning from Bernie and making political demands.  Do you think Hillary will listen?

"As part of the effort, the groups are demanding, among other things, reparations for what they say are past and continuing harms to African-Americans, an end to the death penalty, legislation to acknowledge the effects of slavery, as well as investments in education initiatives, mental health services and jobs programs."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/us/politics/black-lives-matter-campaign.html?_r=0

 
Riversco said:
Hillary has a bounce going now!  Looking at past polling, the candidate that got the bounce after both conventions ended won every election except in 1980.

In 1980, Carter got the big bounce coming out of the conventions and held almost a double digit lead in October 1980.  Reagan somehow closed the gap and won 49 states.  There have been some near-misses.   I was skeptical Hillary would get a bounce but she has, and that is tremendously good news for her.  I think we can all but dismiss Trump as a threat.
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I told Max people like you existed, but he didn't believe me

 
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