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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (6 Viewers)

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IvanKaramazov said:
That said, I do agree with TF that this story has pretty much run its course at this point, unless something new emerges.  The FBI report basically settled things for me.
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Agreed....once Comey spoke it was pretty much over for me.  Wasn't anything there that I hadn't said previously.  Well, until someone goes and tries to spin his words into something they weren't as they obsessively try to defend her for whatever reason.  It's like hot spots after a four alarm fire....some of it's kind of amusing.

 
Riversco said:
I think some people need to say the race is close to justify why they follow the race so closely.  This race is not close.  Hillary is running away with it.  Even if you believe Trump has made large gains in the past couple weeks, he still trails miserably in the solid blue states (one of which he needs to win).

What's going to happen is Trump will have some bad weeks and those solid blue states will go back out to double digit leads for Hillary.

There's no race here.  Hillary has won.
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There's this again 

 
Now Hilary saying Trump supporters are racists homophobes.  How very "presidential"  of her.  Really good leadership qualities.  What an awful person 

 
flapgreen said:
Now Hilary saying Trump supporters are racists homophobes.  How very "presidential"  of her.  Really good leadership qualities.  What an awful person 
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She's not wrong.  There are some that are racist, some are homophobic....right on down the line.  She was right to divide them into groups though and I think her characterization of the other group was fair....people fed up with gov't and how Washington is/isn't working.

 
Hillary said last night that about half the Trump supporters were racist and bigots, and half were people fed up with Washington. 

I don't agree with this at all. First off I think that only a small minority of Trump supporters are actual open racist or bigots. Most of the rest may share some viewpoints that personally I would consider to be close to bigotry or xenophobia (especially with regard to attitudes about Muslims and Hispanic undocumented immigrants) but what's important is that they don't regard themselves in this manner; IMO, their attitudes are more uninformed than they are anything else. Having a bigoted attitude on a specific issue, subject to change, does not make one a bigot. 

Second I think the rage against Washington is much higher than 50%_ it's the one thing that may be nearly universal among Trump supporters. 

Finally Hillary's comments were not only wrong, but politically very stupid. What does she possibly gain by insulting Trump's supporters?? The effects of Mitt Romney's 47% remarks should have taught anyone that you always attack the candidate, NEVER attack the candidate's fans. I hope this doesn't hurt her too badly. 

 
timschochet said:
The effects of Mitt Romney's 47% remarks should have taught anyone that you always attack the candidate, NEVER attack the candidate's fans.
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Good observation.

Also interesting IMO that Romney made his statement at a fundraising event IIRC and Hillary did hers at a Barbara Streisand fundraiser (ahem 'gala'). The age of throwing red meat around in private is over.

 
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The "basket of deplorables" comment was really off base IMO. Only half of Trump supporters are bigots? That's wayyyy too soft of an estimate.

 
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TobiasFunke said:
In fact, Ms. Clinton’s emails have endured much more scrutiny than an ordinary person’s would have, and the criminal case against her was so thin that charging her would have been to treat her very differently. Ironically, even as the email issue consumed so much precious airtime, several pieces of news reported Wednesday should have taken some steam out of the story.
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That's from the WaPo op ed obviously.

I think what put steam back into this story was the news that Hillary's team deleted her emails after the subpoena, after her press conference, after the NYT ran its story exposing her system.

Another thing that emerged was that the person who did the deletions was given immunity after he lied three times in interviews.

And there were the FBI notes about some of Hillary's statements which contradicted just about everything she told the people for 18 months.

Now this should be it. The problem for Hillary has been this constant unraveling of her representations. Now the notes are out, the report is out, Comey has spoken and testified.

The only thing which could possibly extend this story is as the thousands of responsive documents which Hillary deleted are rolled out if there is anything explosive in them, which - again - contradicts what Hillary has been representing about Teneo, the Foundation, her access to contributors, and her conduct as SOS.

I do think the timing of this is odd. I don't think the Lauer townhall went particularly well according to this. The reason this op-ed was felt necessary was that recent, new information has come out.

I think the other points that WaPo makes about there being no comparison to what Trump poses as a huge problem is elected is true. However that should not keep the press from reporting facts to the people and they should not be "adjusting" their reporting to affect what they think will be the possible outcome of the election.

I totally agree with a lot of the claims about Trump, I feel like I felt them before much of the country or press felt them. But it bothers me that the press and maybe many citizens feel that the press should adjust its reporting according to who is running and how they feel about them.

Report the facts, all the facts, about both candidates and let the people decide.

 
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I don't think I have ever heard a candidate call out opponent's supporters like that..  does she really want to unite the nation?   idiot

(even if she has a point- a very very reckless thing to say)

VOTE NEITHER!!!!!

 
Hill showing some great ideological bigotry...if you don't think like her (or vote for her) she hates you...her campaign is a train-wreck right now...if Assange has something big on her the entertainment factor that will come from her supporters will be priceless... 

 
Parrothead said:
I don't think I have ever heard a candidate call out opponent's supporters like that..  does she really want to unite the nation?   idiot

(even if she has a point- a very very reckless thing to say)

VOTE NEITHER!!!!!
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I'm sure she's very afraid of uniting the deplorables.

 
cstu said:
I'm sure she's very afraid of uniting the deplorables. Americans
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remember this- no matter how you feel about Trump's supporters- we are all in this together, and Clinton isn't helping

edit--  I am NOT a Trump supporter

 
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cstu said:
For those questioning the strategy of her statement, people aren't talking about emails are they?
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Isn't that the Trump MO, say something anything, stupid, offensive, whatever, just take control of the media ball? Is that what's going on here IYO?

 
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squistion said:
Damn...too late to rename my fantasy teams after the season has started, but Basket of Deplorables would have been such a cool name.
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As the crowd laughed and clapped. Nice candidate you have there, really looking to unite the masses. :thumbup:  

 
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timschochet said:
I don't think this is negligible. You're being sarcastic, but I truly believe her vast knowledge, her "wonkyness", is a highly positive factor for the success of her presidency should she win. 
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Knowing what Aleppo is is not evidence of wonkiness. And Bobby Jindal was a policy wonk and he was terrible as a governor.

Iraq, Libya, Serbia, Syria, Russia, North Korea.... these have not been well executed policies. Unfortunately we won't get a real policy debate in this election unless Johnson is involved and I'm guessing that's not happening.

 
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timschochet said:
Hillary said last night that about half the Trump supporters were racist and bigots, and half were people fed up with Washington. 

I don't agree with this at all. First off I think that only a small minority of Trump supporters are actual open racist or bigots. Most of the rest may share some viewpoints that personally I would consider to be close to bigotry or xenophobia (especially with regard to attitudes about Muslims and Hispanic undocumented immigrants) but what's important is that they don't regard themselves in this manner; IMO, their attitudes are more uninformed than they are anything else. Having a bigoted attitude on a specific issue, subject to change, does not make one a bigot. 

Second I think the rage against Washington is much higher than 50%_ it's the one thing that may be nearly universal among Trump supporters. 

Finally Hillary's comments were not only wrong, but politically very stupid. What does she possibly gain by insulting Trump's supporters?? The effects of Mitt Romney's 47% remarks should have taught anyone that you always attack the candidate, NEVER attack the candidate's fans. I hope this doesn't hurt her too badly. 
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So stupid.  I am now strongly leaning towards flat out voting for Trump.  Anything Hillary thinks is deplorable can't be all bad...  But really because once again when you get a rare peek behind the veil of controlled messaging you see that she has terrible judgement.

 
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timschochet said:
The effects of Mitt Romney's 47% remarks should have taught anyone that you always attack the candidate, NEVER attack the candidate's fans. I hope this doesn't hurt her too badly. 
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Take 2:

actually thinking about it some more, what did Romney say? That nearly half of all Americans are likely Democratic voters because they benefit from government spending in some way?

Meanwhile, Hillary called Trump supporters horrible human beings worthy of contempt (people who should be deplored).

It's actually worse than what Romney said. I think this might stick.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Take 2:

actually thinking about it some more, what did Romney say? That nearly half of all Americans are likely Democratic voters because they benefit from government spending in some way?

Meanwhile, Hillary called Trump supporters horrible human beings worthy of contempt (people who should be deplored).

It's actually worse than what Romney said. I think this might stick.
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its much worse-  she is attacking fellow Americans that she promised to unite..  she is no better than Trump :thumbdown:

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Take 2:

actually thinking about it some more, what did Romney say? That nearly half of all Americans are likely Democratic voters because they benefit from government spending in some way?

Meanwhile, Hillary called Trump supporters horrible human beings worthy of contempt (people who should be deplored).

It's actually worse than what Romney said. I think this might stick.
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Her comments don't shock me at all.

Not from the aspect that they aren't shocking thing to say, but from the aspect that I already knew she's a #####.

 
Parrothead said:
its much worse-  she is attacking fellow Americans that she promised to unite..  she is no better than Trump :thumbdown:
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That's not true. 

It was one awful comment in a campaign in which Donald Trump has made so many awful comments it's hard to keep count. I don't like what she said, but she is better than Trump in about a billion ways. 

 
timschochet said:
timschochet said:
That's not true. 

It was one awful comment in a campaign in which Donald Trump has made so many awful comments it's hard to keep count. I don't like what she said, but she is better than Trump in about a billion ways. 
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That's not true. 

It was one awful comment in a campaign in which Donald Trump has made so many awful comments it's hard to keep count. I don't like what she said, but she is better than Trump in about a billion ways. 
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nope-  she is no worse than Trump..  potential presidents don't namecall fellow Americans..   just not very "presidential"

she's a lowlife just like Donald.. only difference is she can lie better than he can

 
:lol:   even the "apology" is a bit lame:

"Last night I was 'grossly generalistic,' and that's never a good idea. I regret saying 'half' -- that was wrong," Clinton said in a statement.

 
Sinn Fein said:
:lol:   even the "apology" is a bit lame:

"Last night I was 'grossly generalistic,' and that's never a good idea. I regret saying 'half' -- that was wrong," Clinton said in a statement.
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Part of the glory that is Hillary is watching her do something stupid and then twist for a month while her explanations and excuses exacerbate the original screwup.

 
timschochet said:
That's not true. 

It was one awful comment in a campaign in which Donald Trump has made so many awful comments it's hard to keep count. I don't like what she said, but she is better than Trump in about a billion ways. 
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I'm going to explain why I think why while I agree you're right politically it may be worse.

- Think about her positive themes (and actually I have liked these) - 'a bridge to unite not a wall to divide' and 'together we are stronger' - this comment of hers will be an Internet meme and common talking point to refute that. She basically said something which puts a crack in the whole theme of her campaign. It also possibly shifts momentum back to Trump because (well if he chooses) he can be the 'good guy'. Dumb.

 
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