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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (16 Viewers)

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As a white male who voted for Hillary can anyone confirm the below so I can stop caring about them:

29% of hispanic/ Latinos voted trump.

College educated white women were in the high 40%'s for Trump.

Black vote was lower then expected.

 
Daywalker said:
As a white male who voted for Hillary can anyone confirm the below so I can stop caring about them:

29% of hispanic/ Latinos voted trump.

College educated white women were in the high 40%'s for Trump.

Black vote was lower then expected.
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Why do you only care about people who agree with you?.  It seems kind of petty.  

 
jon_mx said:
Why do you only care about people who agree with you?.  It seems kind of petty.  
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Call me petty when dealing with racist and misogynists.  But if you don't put your money where your mouth is it's just whining.

 
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Daywalker said:
Call me petty when dealing with racist and misogynists.  But if you don't put your money where your mouth is it's just whining.
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We were not talking about Trump. You were condemning all Hispanics because 25% of them voted for Trump.  I really did not care who won, so I am not sure where I needed to put my money. 

 
jon_mx said:
We were not talking about Trump. You were condemning all Hispanics because 25% of them voted for Trump.  I really did not care who won, so I am not sure where I needed to put my money. 
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To put it simply, I was more fired up regarding Trump's racism/misogyny then those he demeans.  

 
Daywalker said:
To put it simply, I was more fired up regarding Trump's racism/misogyny then those he demeans.  
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So to proclaim your outrage about Trump's racism, you proclaim you stop caring about Hispanics.   Sorry if I fail to follow your logic and instead note the irony. :shrug:   

 
I know Trump referred to himself ALL THE TIME in terms of assuming he would win, but as far as I know, Clinton only did this one time. On her birthday, 10/26. I thought at the time it could be a case of hubris and jinxing herself, it was out of character for her.  

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/791263939015376902

Technically, she might have a chance to run again in the future, but that doesn't look very plausible right now.

* Something we may not be talking about enough is how many votes Harambe, SMOD (Sweet Meteor Of Death) and Cthulhu peeled away from Clinton that may have ultimately been decisive in the outcome.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/11/08/how-many-americans-voted-for-cthulhu-smod-or-harambe-today/  

 
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Donald waggled his Jimmy in her face...Bunch of liberal know-it-alls eating a heaping plate of crow...Now let's get down to making America great again!

 
Walking Boot said:
"Welcome to America, where the most qualified woman isn't as good as the least qualified man" 
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Never understood why Hillary was always assumed to be so qualified. She is the most corrupt woman politician. That is it. Her actions finally caught up to her.  I'm not a big fan of Trump but Hillary is a disgusting human being. 

 
Daywalker said:
As a white male who voted for Hillary can anyone confirm the below so I can stop caring about them:

29% of hispanic/ Latinos voted trump.

College educated white women were in the high 40%'s for Trump.

Black vote was lower then expected.
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FYI people feeling like they're just political chits who are taken for granted might be part of the problem here.

BS mentioned the Hispanic number. I guess it's true. I'm usually digging into the exit polling but I don't think I have the stomach for it now as I largely want to turn it all off now. But it's possible the GOP has built in advantages in the Hispanic electorate and maybe they need to thank them for this win and build off of that. I hope in some crazy way they do and this country becomes more unified and less partisan out of all this.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
FYI people feeling like they're just political chits who are taken for granted might be part of the problem here.

BS mentioned the Hispanic number. I guess it's true. I'm usually digging into the exit polling but I don't think I have the stomach for it now as I largely want to turn it all off now. But it's possible the GOP has built in advantages in the Hispanic electorate and maybe they need to thank them for this win and build off of that. I hope in some crazy way they do and this country becomes more unified and less partisan out of all this.
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Based on the preliminary numbers I have seen, it is hard not to think that Hillary lost this election because of the following:

  • Black vote lower than expected
  • Latino vote only going to Hillary at around 65%
  • Blue collar union voters going to Trump (don't have #'s on this yet but seems a safe bet)
  • Young voters chose 3rd party candidates (just under 10%)
 
Quez said:
Wasn't Hillary & the Dems pressuring Trump to concede if he lost?  What a sore loser.  
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The whole marching John Podesta out to the mic to pull the Baghdad Bob act and keep people waiting for another hour was a fitting end also.  

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
Based on the preliminary numbers I have seen, it is hard not to think that Hillary lost this election because of the following:

  • Black vote lower than expected
  • Latino vote only going to Hillary at around 65%
  • Blue collar union voters going to Trump (don't have #'s on this yet but seems a safe bet)
  • Young voters chose 3rd party candidates (just under 10%)
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Forget what network showed it, but HRC only carrying 54% of the woman vote certainly didn't help. 

 
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Gore

Kerry

H Clinton

Versus

B Clinton

Obama 

I sure hope the Dem machine keeps nominating wooden dislikeables. When they ran someone with charisma they won.

 
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Obviously many Hilary supporters will spend the next 4 years crying about how a bunch of ignorant racist rednecks beat their candidate. But the democratic party (the powers that be more-so than the electorate) only has themselves to blame. I'm a youngish (33) educated, well-paid, northeastern social liberal. I'm exactly the sort of person that is supposed to buy into the democratic message (like most of my friends. My facebook feed is a #### show right now.)  I don't vote (and wouldn't have voted for Trump) but even I could see that the Democrats nominated (through an absolute BULL#### process by the way. Still trying to figure out what the #### a superdelegate is. Maybe  Hillary can still win once the supervoters' ballots are counted) the most unlikable and obviously phony candidate in the history of American politics. There was exactly one person who could lose in this scenario, and that's the person they picked to run. 

I've got plenty of reasons why I dislike Hillary Clinton. The one I just was never able to shake was all the money she and her family have taken from Wall Street and other questionable donors. Its ok to take stupid amounts of cash to give bull#### speeches when you've already served your time in office and would just be spending time on the golf course anyway. Its a whole other thing to leave a government position, do speeches for years (raking in 10's of millions of dollars) and then come back and run for office (let alone the presidency) again.

How in the world is anyone with a brain in their head supposed to believe that all these groups didn't expect anything in return?

I think Donald Trump is a terrible human being and unfit to be the President. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not optimistic. But all the Dems had to do was nominate a decent human being with a little experience that normal every day people in middle america could tolerate. They couldn't even do that. They nominated a calculating, dishonest elitist who dressed like a Star Wars character. 

 
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Baloney Sandwich said:
Based on the preliminary numbers I have seen, it is hard not to think that Hillary lost this election because of the following:

  • Black vote lower than expected
  • Latino vote only going to Hillary at around 65%
  • Blue collar union voters going to Trump (don't have #'s on this yet but seems a safe bet)
  • Young voters chose 3rd party candidates (just under 10%)
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These are symptoms - not root causes.

Why was Black vote lower than expected?

Why did Trump do as well as he did among Latinos?

Why did Blue Collar Union Voters abandon the Democratic party?

Why did young voters opt for 3rd party candidates?

I am still sleep-deprived, and later I'll address what I think was her ultimate downfall, but I think there are some common themes about why she lost these voters.

 
Sinn Fein said:
These are symptoms - not root causes.

Why was Black vote lower than expected?

Why did Trump do as well as he did among Latinos?

Why did Blue Collar Union Voters abandon the Democratic party?

Why did young voters opt for 3rd party candidates?

I am still sleep-deprived, and later I'll address what I think was her ultimate downfall, but I think there are some common themes about why she lost these voters.
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1.  African-Americans did not really like Hillary as much as they did Bill and Obama.

2.  The media overstated the hatred of Hispanics towards Trump.

3.  Trade policies as Hillary was unable to distance herself from bills she fully supported

4.  The youth liked Bernie and felt screwed over by Hillary.. 

 
Here's my sleep deprived initial thoughts on what went wrong. 

First and foremost, Trump was exploiting a legitimate issue. People see the economy changing faster than they can keep up, and technology and globalization are pushing the vast majority of gains to the top. People in the middle, which is comprised largely of white, working class voters feel squeezed. They see help going to the lower class (still mostly white, but it's not characterized that way), the rich getting richer, and no one doing anything for them. Trump spoke directly to them and promised he would fix their problems, regardless of how well grounded those ideas are.

Clinton and the Democrats banked this election on disqualifying Donald Trump, which should be obvious since he's in no way fit or qualified to hold the office, but they really never spoke to those voters or explained what they would do for them. So we ended up with a majority of voters agreeing that Trump ins't qualified for office, yet he won anyway. 

What troubles me most though is the continued undermining of our democratic institutions. Not only have Republicans succeeded in de-legitimizing government as a positive agent, but now we see a complete repudiation of the independent press as an arbiter of facts. It's not even just the "liberal" media. Most every conservative media outlet was either openly against or refusing to endorse Trump, pointing out that he's a demagogue, profuse liar, and generally awful human being. Somehow he managed to make the press public enemy #2, and tie them in with Clinton and this idea of a global elite at the root of "everyday American's" problems. I'm not sure where we go from there.

 
All this time, I've been saying that Trump is the worst candidate in my lifetime and probably the worst candidate in history.  I'm going to have to reevaluate my rankings now that Hillary actually managed to lose this thing somehow.  

 
Walking Boot said:
God she had the lead all year, won every debate, had the media behind her, had the turnout machine, never had to give a press conference or answer a question she didn't know in advance was coming, had everything.

How did she blow this?
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She was always a terrible candidate 

 
DocHolliday said:
Never understood why Hillary was always assumed to be so qualified. She is the most corrupt woman politician. That is it. Her actions finally caught up to her.  I'm not a big fan of Trump but Hillary is a disgusting human being. 
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Yeah, this false narrative of her being qualified has PERMEATED this forum ad nausea.  Everything she has touched has failed or turned to ####.  Maybe she's the most qualified in terms of failure, but in getting #### done successfully - not so much.

She's a slimy piece of #### and this isn't over yet, IMO - the Clinton Foundation scandal is going to blow up and bury the Clintons (hopefully).

 
IvanKaramazov said:
All this time, I've been saying that Trump is the worst candidate in my lifetime and probably the worst candidate in history.  I'm going to have to reevaluate my rankings now that Hillary actually managed to lose this thing somehow.  
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I think it has to be at the very top of the list, probably the Holy Grail of choke jobs.  I don't think it will ever be surpassed.  I couldn't believe what I was reading when I woke up this morning.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
All this time, I've been saying that Trump is the worst candidate in my lifetime and probably the worst candidate in history.  I'm going to have to reevaluate my rankings now that Hillary actually managed to lose this thing somehow.  
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Either way we were going to get a president who was the first and only electee who had a negative favorability rating.

Trump is going to have many of the same problems we were framing about Hillary, namely and primarily that a lot of people just don't like him, which is not good for a president. However unlike Hillary he will have a Congress held by his own party.

 
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