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*** OFFICIAL *** In-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (1 Viewer)
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
14 team PPR. Devy league.
Gave:
Manuel
2014 late 2nd (devalued)
Got:
Foles
Gave:
Manuel
2014 late 2nd (devalued)
Got:
Foles
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Run It Up
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Any comments on this one? No idea if my valuation of these guys fits with the general dynasty owners opinion. I get the sense that Foles is seen as a mirage who might not even be Kelly's franchise QB choice, while Manuel has the pedigree. Not sure how these guys are being valued in comparison to each other.
Horrible.
Kaepernick vs Luck is a push for this year, and Moreno will outscore Rice himself, even ignoring Cruz.
Give me the Cruz side every time. As a contender, that is a steal.
cstu
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
I like it. Foles was pretty good at Arizona. I grabbed him in a bunch of my rookie drafts back in 2012. Always liked that he produced consistently on a crap team and showed no fear of the pass rush. Honestly didn't anticipate this breakout after a lukewarm rookie season, but there's a chance that he's a Romo/Brees/Brady. I don't dislike Manuel, but I feel like Foles was the better college QB and is perhaps the more gifted innate passer. Given the rampage he's been on this season, he's a good player to take a shot on in hopes that you're getting in ahead of the hype machine. In another 1-2 years he might be exponentially more expensive. If he flops relative to those expectations, he may still become a Schaub level backup QB for you, which is probably not much worse than what Manuel will become. And a late 2nd rounder doesn't really move the needle at all in a devy league.
Muuuuuch prefer Foles. I always say at QB, it's all about upside, and the past half season Foles has been demonstrating all kinds of upside.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
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That's... nowhere near enough for Dez Bryant.
Edit: Either that, or that's way too much to give up for Dezmon Briscoe.
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That was my thoughts when I saw the email this morning. As an owner of Dez in another league, I'd want more than this
Andrew74
Footballguy
I was going to ask if there was another Dez in the league. And the league doesn't require a TE? Terrible.
Denver724
Footballguy
Picked up Benny Cunningham on waivers (I had the 3rd pick - meaning I have the 3rd worst team - rebuilding). Shopped him to the Stacy owner before I committed to taking him. Stacy owner has the best team and had a waiver pick of 12th (would never get him). Deal was...
I gave:
Cunningham
Panther D
I received:
Texan D
2014 2nd (7-12)
I gave:
Cunningham
Panther D
I received:
Texan D
2014 2nd (7-12)
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GeeYouknit
Footballguy
League specifics in my sig
Team A trades: Ben Tate, Travis Kelce, 2nd
Team B trades: Reggie Bush
Team A is one of the top teams and this might put them over the top
Team B is in a semi-rebuild
Team A trades: Ben Tate, Travis Kelce, 2nd
Team B trades: Reggie Bush
Team A is one of the top teams and this might put them over the top
Team B is in a semi-rebuild
Denver724
Footballguy
I like what team B is receiving, but I can see team A trying to go for the knockout (especially after seeing Bush perform today).
Dawg Pound 69
Footballguy
Seems like too much to give for Jordy. But if Wilson's career is over due to injury, then it's a pretty even deal.
I know Bush is old, and a rebuilding squad might be at the point where they can't be choosy and have to simply take what they can get... but I think Bush is worth more than that.
cstu
Footballguy
I expect the hype on Tate to increase as we approach free agency. He should be able to move Tate for a nice haul and make it a pretty nice deal for a 29 yo RB.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Idk, I do agree it's a ton of potential. But if you're looking at real value, Trent and Wilson are at rock bottom, and Ridley, if he keep it up or can't earn another shot at exclusive ownership of the 2-down role for the Pats, isn't far behind. Being able to package these guys for a true stud felt like a coup to me.
SieteCinco
Footballguy
12 Team, 1PPR, 2QB-2RB-2WR-1TE-1Flex (RB/WR/TE)
Gave: Jordan Reed, Amari Cooper (WR, Alabama)
For: Shane Vereen
I actually like Reed a little more than Vereen in a dynasty, and Cooper has a lot of potential.. but I pretty badly needed an RB2 for the stretch run (Have been dealing with the All-Underperforming RBBC of Trich/dWilson/jStewart-Lattimore behind Peterson, and am deep at WR with Calvin/AJG/Dez/Harvin so losing Cooper wont kill me). Other team is in last place/rebuilding a team he took over last year, but didn't have much at RB other than Vereen/Ellington/Ivory/De'Anthony Thomas/Michael Dyer so he was very hesitant to move Vereen.
Same league, I wasn't involved but the other owner was.. (last week):
Team A Gave: Tony Gonzalez
Team B Gave: Coby Fleener, 2014 3rd
So team B is doing a good job of rebuilding so far adding Tahj Boyd, De'Anthony Thomas, Ladarius Green, Coby Fleener, Jordan Reed, Amari Cooper, ASJ, and a few picks recently.
Gave: Jordan Reed, Amari Cooper (WR, Alabama)
For: Shane Vereen
I actually like Reed a little more than Vereen in a dynasty, and Cooper has a lot of potential.. but I pretty badly needed an RB2 for the stretch run (Have been dealing with the All-Underperforming RBBC of Trich/dWilson/jStewart-Lattimore behind Peterson, and am deep at WR with Calvin/AJG/Dez/Harvin so losing Cooper wont kill me). Other team is in last place/rebuilding a team he took over last year, but didn't have much at RB other than Vereen/Ellington/Ivory/De'Anthony Thomas/Michael Dyer so he was very hesitant to move Vereen.
Same league, I wasn't involved but the other owner was.. (last week):
Team A Gave: Tony Gonzalez
Team B Gave: Coby Fleener, 2014 3rd
So team B is doing a good job of rebuilding so far adding Tahj Boyd, De'Anthony Thomas, Ladarius Green, Coby Fleener, Jordan Reed, Amari Cooper, ASJ, and a few picks recently.
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Travieso
Footballguy
I made a few trades in a few different leagues at the deadline; unsure about these two:
gave: Dez, Charles Clay, 2014 2nd (2.05 or 206)
got: MBall (have Moreno), JHunter, JReed, 2014 1st (1.09 - 1.12)
Separate league (I will make playoffs):
gave: Moreno
got: 2014 1st (1.09 - 1.12) + Bryce Brown
gave: Dez, Charles Clay, 2014 2nd (2.05 or 206)
got: MBall (have Moreno), JHunter, JReed, 2014 1st (1.09 - 1.12)
Separate league (I will make playoffs):
gave: Moreno
got: 2014 1st (1.09 - 1.12) + Bryce Brown
ex-ghost
Footballguy
Your trade was discussed just a few posts above. I will summarize: you did not get enough for Dez.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
not even close for Dez.
It would be more even if he just traded Clay for that. Not joking
FUBAR
Footballguy
Dez might be worth more, but that's not a bad haul. Having Moreno's Back up makes sense and ball actually looked decent this week. Reed is a top 6 TE, and many of us think Hunter is an up and coming stud. Long term, I actually think this works out well for him.I don't like the second trade
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I think I would have tried to move a combo of Harvin and Reed for for another back in the first deal, but not a bad move. I really like what the rebuilding team is doing.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Curious if the last couple of weeks have changed any minds on this. If you were a doormat, would you still prefer Peyton over Brady and a 2nd? Brady's the #4 QB since week 9... despite having a bye in the middle of that stretch. He's scored more than Peyton (who also had his bye) over that span. Understanding that a doormat doesn't care at all about what happens in 2013, which QB would you prefer for 2014 and beyond?
cstu
Footballguy
I always favored Brady in that scenario. Even when Brady was playing bad he is still a year and a half younger and has at least two more seasons while Peyton could retire after this year.
Bamac
Footballguy
You were in the minority then. I gave Peyton and was blasted for it here. Seemed like a no-brainer to me when I made it, so I was surprised at the backlash.
Maybe the minority of those that posted.
I thought it was a pretty good move to move mostly laterally at QB and get a 2nd thrown in. Brady has proven he will always be in the mix of top 5Qb at the end of the year. Seems like a pretty safe move to me
I think the bolded is pretty key. The more popular an opinion is (and the better it looks based on the most recent returns), the more likely it is someone will post it. It's quite possible that a lot of people liked the Brady side but didn't want to go to bat for it at the time because he was struggling.maxhyde said:
Personally, I think the trade is the perfect example of how easy it is to fall into the trap of thinking that how things are now is how things will be going forward. People were awfully quick to accept a slow start from Brady as his new reality, despite an overwhelming track record to the contrary.
Gave:
Crabtree
Got
1st and 2nd round picks of a playoff team.
Picks could be anywhere from 1.07-1.10 and 2.07-2.10. Already have the 1.1 and another playoff first rounder.
I'm thinking people are going to get QB crazy this year with at least 5 teams (Houston, Jax, Minn,Tenn, Cle) needing starters right now so I think some great players will drop down into the 5-10 range in a deep class.
Still like Crabtree, but I have no faith in Kaep.
Crabtree
Got
1st and 2nd round picks of a playoff team.
Picks could be anywhere from 1.07-1.10 and 2.07-2.10. Already have the 1.1 and another playoff first rounder.
I'm thinking people are going to get QB crazy this year with at least 5 teams (Houston, Jax, Minn,Tenn, Cle) needing starters right now so I think some great players will drop down into the 5-10 range in a deep class.
Still like Crabtree, but I have no faith in Kaep.
Posters are quick to jump all over and judge trades in a vacuum and say "you should have got more." Sometimes that's not always the case. Reality is QB's are hard to move in start 1 leagues and every league is different. It's not a move I would have made if I was rebuilding but I can understand the logic.
Just as it was too soon to totally write off Brady, I also wouldn't be too quick to pat myself on the back just because Brady has had a hot streak the last few games. Especially with Gronk now out for the year and possibly not 100% at the beginning of next season again.
I like the deal for you. A 1st/2nd for a player you have questions about.
I think Kaep can recapture his form but I think you did well to get the picks. I think Crabtree missing was a big part of the reason Keap has struggled though and I wouldn't be surprised to see them hook up quite a few times to finish out the season. I will be interested to see how Crabtree returns from that injury physically.
I'd still be good with it. It is dynasty after all. Brady had Edelman as a familiar WR to start the year. I think he has gotten more comfortable with some of the other guys as the year has gone on and that chemistry and timing will be better next year Great QB's make their receivers great not the other way around as much although the true talents definitely help out. No amount of talent as a receiver can get the ball to you in the right place though.
Obviously losing a weapon like Gronk would hurt any QB but Brady will find a way to compensate like all the great QB's do.
cstu
Footballguy
The way I saw the trade it didn't matter what Brady did this year or even if Gronk won't be back at the beginning of next year. He was out of contention and Peyton did him absolutely no good (and in fact probably hurt him by helping him win games). If he'd kept him he'd be looking at nothing right now while he at least has Brady and a 2nd. Maybe it's a bad trade if Peyton comes back and play like this next year but it was a good risk to take in his situation.
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I wasn't trying to pat myself on the back, I was honestly asking whether recent weeks had changed anyone's mind. Not in an "I was right, you were wrong" sort of way, but in an "I'm curious to find out" sort of way.
To those who were so adamant that no team should trade Peyton for Brady/2nd, even if they were a complete rebuild, has your mind changed at all?
Just pulled off this trade:
I get: Justin Blackmon
I give: Jamaal Charles
Obviously there is a catch - it's a contract league and we get to franchise one player per year. I franchised Charles this year, but can't do it again. I traded his rights for next year - the guy getting him has to pay him a big contract (prob around $25 on a $125 cap).
I get Blackmon for three more years at $3. No one else was biting on Charles for a 1 yr rental (he would have gone into the FA pool if I didn't make a deal) , so I figured I would take a shot on Blackmon cleaning himself up.
I get: Justin Blackmon
I give: Jamaal Charles
Obviously there is a catch - it's a contract league and we get to franchise one player per year. I franchised Charles this year, but can't do it again. I traded his rights for next year - the guy getting him has to pay him a big contract (prob around $25 on a $125 cap).
I get Blackmon for three more years at $3. No one else was biting on Charles for a 1 yr rental (he would have gone into the FA pool if I didn't make a deal) , so I figured I would take a shot on Blackmon cleaning himself up.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Papa John's
Footballguy
[SIZE=medium]16 teams. IDP/PPR league[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Team A Gave:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Dez Bryant[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Team B Gave:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Marquise Goodwin[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Rob Gronkowski[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Bobby Wagner[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Team A Gave:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Dez Bryant[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Team B Gave:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Marquise Goodwin[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Rob Gronkowski[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Bobby Wagner[/SIZE]
Think I would keep Dez but I can see the value in adding a solid young LB and Gronk. Goodwin doesn't do much for me so unless I was loaded at WR I couldn't justify moving from Dez to Gronk.
pretty gangster for sure.
EJ has shown some promise and Foles has shown some inconsistency along with his spectacular run. I guess I would feel a little safer knowing the 1st round pick likely has a longer leash up in BUF but Foles looks like the better player now and likely earned first look for the Eagles for awhile
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Sent
1.6
2.2
2.6
2015 2nd
Khiry Robinson
Marlon Brown
Kris Durham
For
Ashlon Jeffrey
1.12
2.3
2015 1st
Deep dynasty. 53 man offensive rosters, PPR start QB 2RB 3WR TE and flex
1.6
2.2
2.6
2015 2nd
Khiry Robinson
Marlon Brown
Kris Durham
For
Ashlon Jeffrey
1.12
2.3
2015 1st
Deep dynasty. 53 man offensive rosters, PPR start QB 2RB 3WR TE and flex
doowain
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