*** OFFICIAL *** Inseason Viking Thread (1 Viewer)

[snogger]

Will start off with what I posted in the Game thread:

Considering what was out on the field for CB's I thought the Defense did a Hell of a job thumbup1.gif thumbup1.gif

Favre will get some more practice time in now with the WR's he does have.

Still have NO IDEA why Cammarillo was MIA until the 2nd half confused1.gif

If I were the Vikings I'd be VERY tempted to see what the Chargers want for Vincent Jackson IF his suspension gets reduced to 3 games.

Vikings have a bye week 4 so they could use that week to get him into the fold..

IF they get Rice back, the receivers for Favre will be set with VJ, Rice, Harvin, Carmillo, V. S.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

How many 3 and out drives did the Vikes have? I thought the OL did a horrible job of opening holes in the running game. Adrian Peterson had as many receptions as Berrian/Harvin/Camarillo combined, that's not good.

I thought the game was poorly coached by Childress adn their staff. They might be able to beat up on Miami next week, we'll see but they don't look like a Super Bowl contender right now. I don't see them going 12-3 the rest of the way and they might be looking up at Green Bay in the standings all year.

 

[snogger]

How many 3 and out drives did the Vikes have? I thought the OL did a horrible job of opening holes in the running game. Adrian Peterson had as many receptions as Berrian/Harvin/Camarillo combined, that's not good.

I thought the game was poorly coached by Childress adn their staff. They might be able to beat up on Miami next week, we'll see but they don't look like a Super Bowl contender right now. I don't see them going 12-3 the rest of the way and they might be looking up at Green Bay in the standings all year.

It maybe only the 2nd post but POTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AS for the 3 and outs.. Go back into your memory and remember the first 2 or 3 games last year with Favre.. If not for ADP there would have been even more..

Now add in the fact he had little practice with the WR's he has now, Rice being out and, as you mention, a crappy coaching staff, and it was too be expected..

2-1 at the Bye will be OK.. Would have been a lot better to be 3-0 but oh well.

If they can miraculously be 4-3 or better after the first 7 games I'll be

even 3-4 with the schedule after the Bye week wouldn't be a complete downer.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Still driving the "Fire Chilly" bandwagon. Hop on!

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Really poor game management by the coaching staff in that game. Horrible. Saints adjusted at Half Time and the Vikings did not.

 

[simmonjm]

Viking fans I feel sorry for you, since this game was played on Thursday night it will be overanalyzed until Sunday. With that being said the defense will keep the Vikings in every single game as will ADP. Unless significant injuries stike I cant see this team finishing worse than 10-6.

 

[Insein]

Adrian Peterson 1st Half: 13 carries 67 yards, 2nd Half: 6 carries for 20 yards.

Where did he go? Brad? Could you tell us where Adrian went?

 

[MN Taco]

My $.02 on the Vikes after last night:

I liked the way AP ran in the first half, he looked angry and was effective. It's too bad they stopped giving him the ball.

I was looking for Camarillo to make an appearance and was happy that they finally got him involved on that pass down the sideline.

I think the chemistry between Favre and Harvin needs work, or at least it seemed that they weren't on the same page a few times last night anyway.

I think we'll see a lot of Favre-Shiancoe this year, at least until Rice gets back.

I was actually fairly impressed with the defense. Asher Allen did get torched a couple of times, but so did a few other guys and on the whole they held up pretty well. Giving up 14 pts to the NO offense is a valiant effort.

The issues with coaching strategy probably scare me the most. I'm not sure that we have a coaching staff capable of making the kind of in-game adjustments necessary to be a great team.

 

[Avery]

My $.02 on the Vikes after last night:

I liked the way AP ran in the first half, he looked angry and was effective. It's too bad they stopped giving him the ball.

I was looking for Camarillo to make an appearance and was happy that they finally got him involved on that pass down the sideline.

I think the chemistry between Favre and Harvin needs work, or at least it seemed that they weren't on the same page a few times last night anyway.

I think we'll see a lot of Favre-Shiancoe this year, at least until Rice gets back.

I was actually fairly impressed with the defense. Asher Allen did get torched a couple of times, but so did a few other guys and on the whole they held up pretty well. Giving up 14 pts to the NO offense is a valiant effort.

The issues with coaching strategy probably scare me the most. I'm not sure that we have a coaching staff capable of making the kind of in-game adjustments necessary to be a great team.

As an unbiased observer (well, relatively unbiased for I owner Peterson and Harvin in various leagues) it seems no only in game adjustment issues but a problem with offensive strategy overall.Considering that you are missing your top WR, your QB has had limited pre-season snaps, your ROY WR has had limited pre-season snaps and is a dynamic playmaker is space, why were there more designed dump offs, quick outs and backfield snaps to Harvin? It would seems that it would help negate a lack of practice time with both the QB and WR for these wouldn't be hard reads or routes and would also help negate an aggressive pass rush, since this was a chief concern as well.

It seems Childress was as effective in negating Harvin as the New Orleans defense with his insistence in using Harvin as a traditional WR (except one running play) all game.

 

[MN Taco]

As an unbiased observer (well, relatively unbiased for I owner Peterson and Harvin in various leagues) it seems no only in game adjustment issues but a problem with offensive strategy overall.Considering that you are missing your top WR, your QB has had limited pre-season snaps, your ROY WR has had limited pre-season snaps and is a dynamic playmaker is space, why were there more designed dump offs, quick outs and backfield snaps to Harvin? It would seems that it would help negate a lack of practice time with both the QB and WR for these wouldn't be hard reads or routes and would also help negate an aggressive pass rush, since this was a chief concern as well.It seems Childress was as effective in negating Harvin as the New Orleans defense with his insistence in using Harvin as a traditional WR (except one running play) all game.

Good point, moving Harvin to the outside seems ridiculous to me. And if the Vikes are banking on Berrian doing anything worthwhile this year, they should rethink that. 1 catch, 3 yards - though I don't remember how many targets he got. One pass seemed to go through his hands and he muffed a punt.

 

[Avery]

As an unbiased observer (well, relatively unbiased for I owner Peterson and Harvin in various leagues) it seems no only in game adjustment issues but a problem with offensive strategy overall.Considering that you are missing your top WR, your QB has had limited pre-season snaps, your ROY WR has had limited pre-season snaps and is a dynamic playmaker is space, why were there more designed dump offs, quick outs and backfield snaps to Harvin? It would seems that it would help negate a lack of practice time with both the QB and WR for these wouldn't be hard reads or routes and would also help negate an aggressive pass rush, since this was a chief concern as well.It seems Childress was as effective in negating Harvin as the New Orleans defense with his insistence in using Harvin as a traditional WR (except one running play) all game.

Good point, moving Harvin to the outside seems ridiculous to me. And if the Vikes are banking on Berrian doing anything worthwhile this year, they should rethink that. 1 catch, 3 yards - though I don't remember how many targets he got. One pass seemed to go through his hands and he muffed a punt.

Watching Berrian return punts, I have no idea why Childress traded Reynaud (but as a Giants fan... thanks! :( ) but to continue my point on Harvin, I don't think he shouldn't ever be outside, but not being creative with him seems to be wasting so much of what makes him a special talent.Also, could a Vikings homer clue me into this Albert Young and why he was active over the second round pick that the Viking traded up for? Not only active, but seemed to be a core element to Childress' game plan.

 

[snogger]

As an unbiased observer (well, relatively unbiased for I owner Peterson and Harvin in various leagues) it seems no only in game adjustment issues but a problem with offensive strategy overall.

Considering that you are missing your top WR, your QB has had limited pre-season snaps, your ROY WR has had limited pre-season snaps and is a dynamic playmaker is space, why were there more designed dump offs, quick outs and backfield snaps to Harvin? It would seems that it would help negate a lack of practice time with both the QB and WR for these wouldn't be hard reads or routes and would also help negate an aggressive pass rush, since this was a chief concern as well.

It seems Childress was as effective in negating Harvin as the New Orleans defense with his insistence in using Harvin as a traditional WR (except one running play) all game.

Good point, moving Harvin to the outside seems ridiculous to me. And if the Vikes are banking on Berrian doing anything worthwhile this year, they should rethink that. 1 catch, 3 yards - though I don't remember how many targets he got. One pass seemed to go through his hands and he muffed a punt.

Watching Berrian return punts, I have no idea why Childress traded Reynaud (but as a Giants fan... thanks! ) but to continue my point on Harvin, I don't think he shouldn't ever be outside, but not being creative with him seems to be wasting so much of what makes him a special talent.Also, could a Vikings homer clue me into this Albert Young and why he was active over the second round pick that the Viking traded up for? Not only active, but seemed to be a core element to Childress' game plan.

From the injury report:

Cornerback Cedric Griffin and rookie running back Toby Gerhart are questionable with knee injuries.

As it turned out both were held out of the game.

 

[Avery]

As an unbiased observer (well, relatively unbiased for I owner Peterson and Harvin in various leagues) it seems no only in game adjustment issues but a problem with offensive strategy overall.

Considering that you are missing your top WR, your QB has had limited pre-season snaps, your ROY WR has had limited pre-season snaps and is a dynamic playmaker is space, why were there more designed dump offs, quick outs and backfield snaps to Harvin? It would seems that it would help negate a lack of practice time with both the QB and WR for these wouldn't be hard reads or routes and would also help negate an aggressive pass rush, since this was a chief concern as well.

It seems Childress was as effective in negating Harvin as the New Orleans defense with his insistence in using Harvin as a traditional WR (except one running play) all game.

Good point, moving Harvin to the outside seems ridiculous to me. And if the Vikes are banking on Berrian doing anything worthwhile this year, they should rethink that. 1 catch, 3 yards - though I don't remember how many targets he got. One pass seemed to go through his hands and he muffed a punt.

Watching Berrian return punts, I have no idea why Childress traded Reynaud (but as a Giants fan... thanks! ) but to continue my point on Harvin, I don't think he shouldn't ever be outside, but not being creative with him seems to be wasting so much of what makes him a special talent.Also, could a Vikings homer clue me into this Albert Young and why he was active over the second round pick that the Viking traded up for? Not only active, but seemed to be a core element to Childress' game plan.

From the injury report:

Cornerback Cedric Griffin and rookie running back Toby Gerhart are questionable with knee injuries.

As it turned out both were held out of the game.

So it was an injury scratch?

It's hard to tell because we only have one game of information but if Gerhart is healthy would he be active along with Young, instead of Young or is he clearly behind Young on the depth chart assuming a healthy Peterson?

 

[sho nuff]

As a Packer fan...the defense looks really good. Going to be tough to get things going even with their weapons. Saw that with Brees and all of his weapons struggling at times.

Offense...if Chilly wises up and gives Peterson the ball more...they will be ok.

They need to get Favre and the WRs on the same page a bit more...but they should be ok anytime you have that kind of runner in the backfield.

 

[sho nuff]

It's hard to tell because we only have one game of information but if Gerhart is healthy would he be active along with Young, instead of Young or is he clearly behind Young on the depth chart assuming a healthy Peterson?

From what I saw of Young, if Gerhart can't beat him out...Gerhart may not be that good. Young did not impress me at all. Did not run with any authority and went down very easy on first contact.Thought he looked better in the little bit I saw during the preseason than last night though.

 

[sho nuff]

Ok, I didn't see anything on this...pretty scary and glad he is doing better...but wow.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Vi...?urn=nfl-268691

 

[griff321]

I think Charch hit the nail on the head this morning. It was a tale of two coaches, An amazing job by Leslie Frazier and a horrible game killer by Childress/Bevell. It's obvious that moving away from the run and the short pass was not only extremely detrimental to the offense in the second half but the D as well. This is evident by being dominated by the TOP in the second half 21:07-8:53 and the ease that PT moved on us. Was PT moving the ball any real shocker? I don't think so the way the D was on the field the entire second half. Talk about not making a game plan that plays to the realities of your offensive weapons at this point in the season.

Anyone else here want to see Percy move back to the slot/backfield and Camarillo moved to the outside? I don't doubt Percy's talent if he can shake off this rust, but I think his strengths really shine out of the slot or in the backfield and I'd like to see him back there.

I really doubt that anyone could look as tentative as Toby Gerhart in training camp/pre-season and then Albert Young showed us his body of work last night. If you look at the number of times Young was in there it was a lot of just a chance to give AD a rest and no real defined role. Here's to hoping that Toby recovers from his bruises and starts to hit the holes hard and with authority. I really just hope that AD/AY/TG can find a way to shine in protection, because the max protect formations they were showing almost every play(certainly every passing play) made us a very vanilla offense.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Who is to blame for getting away from the run in the 2nd half? Childress/Bevell or Favre?

 

[BigJim®]

First off, it's hard to complain about a 14-9 loss to the SB champs, even though there are quite a number of things to quibble about that will be short term and longer term issues.

Short term concerns:

* Not giving Favre total blame for this loss, but I do agree with Souhan that the consequence of Favre's decision to skip camp is he puts himself and our entire offense in de facto preseason mode. I don't doubt he'll get his timing and chemistry down eventually, but boy it is frustrating to concede the first part of a season to get things that should be done in the preseason working.

* Vikes really need to get more than 3 CBs. Bad timing on a Cook injury or whatnot, reality is they knew Griffin was a huge question mark and somehow left themselves with 3 CBa in the opening game. There was one mistake throw by Brees that should have been intercepted by Asher Allen and he flat out dropped it; just seems to be the Viking way to blow those secondary opportunities that need to be caught if they are going to win a big game. Hopefully Cook won't be over his head, and hopefully Griffin heals, but I'd expect everyone to spread us out. Why bother running on this defense?

Longer term concerns:

* This coaching staff cannot make adjustments, never could. Vikes might win 10 games, but not a single one of them will be due to coaching, I'm convinced. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if we had some bobo in the booth listening to Andrea Kraemer's halftime report last night that New Orleans planned to continue passing in the 2nd half, and an entire critical defensive series was reaction to misinformation fed by Payton to Kraemer. Next thing you know the Vikes are giving up 5 yards per carry and a critical TD.

* Trading away Reynaud 1 week before the season was ridiculous. I can only imagine the negotiation went something like "Giants, who else do we need to throw in to convince you to take Rosenfels off our hands?" Other than that, there is absolutely zero excuse to put themselves into a need to use Berrian at PR. Any injury to Harvin at KR or Berrian at PR and you can stick a fork in the season. And that's totally ignoring PR ability, which Berrian has none of.

* Offensive line can't run block worth a darn. Same as last year, there aren't any holes for Peterson. How a RB like Peterson can get 20 carries and nothing over 15 yards is mind boggling. You'd think dumb luck would cause a defender to fall down or blitz the wrong hole but there is simply no hole to run through ever.

* Very vanilla offense once again. Everyone knew we'd open the game with 3 rushes and a punt. I could basically do several subcategorioes of bad coaching but offensive playcalling sticks oput most. They just don't do the most with what skill players they have. I'd rather see Harvin get 2-3 end-arounds than trying to get him midrange passes. Just nothing we did opened up the run game.

 

[ArcticEdge]

Still driving the "Fire Chilly" bandwagon. Hop on!

I'm down for Eric Bieniemy to get promoted to Head Coach. I like his presence.

 

[ArcticEdge]

Colin Cowherd was with his diagnosis of Packer fans today.

 

[FavreCo]

Bernard Berrian totally sucks.

 

[ArcticEdge]

Bernard Berrian totally sucks.

Wouldnt say he sucks, but I dont like that he has hands made of stone.

 

[sho nuff]

Colin Cowherd was with his diagnosis of Packer fans today.

Cowherd has never been right any time before...I doubt he started today...also, what does it have to do with an in season viking's thread?

 

[griff321]

Bernard Berrian totally sucks.

Wouldnt say he sucks, but I dont like that he has hands made of stone.

I thought in year one B-Twice didn't look like he had bricks attached to his wrists. He has always been like a yo-yo when it comes to consistency, so here's hoping for the up part against Miami next week.Chris Cook and Ced. Griffin healthy will be amazing. I'm really looking forward to seeing how these cats respond from major injuries, because I felt like they had a ton of talent before they went down.Getting rid of Reynaud in a year that we're should be all in is frustrating as hell. Everyone was going crazy on Childress about the other half of that trade, but I think getting rid of a very solid guy to lean on B-Twice, or maybe Asher Allen in the future, will cause a lot more problems for this team then loosing Sage ever could.

 

[griff321]

Who is to blame for getting away from the run in the 2nd half? Childress/Bevell or Favre?

A bit a both. PA(Paul Allen), hometown play-by-play guy and an elite Vikings football mind, says he saw about 4-5 plays that Brett changed a run into a pass. Greg Williams made adjustments that pretty much dared Brett to change the plays and Favre still had his worst game as a Viking.

 

[snogger]

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/56735627.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/56735627.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyUhttp://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/56735627.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyUReport: Jackson's suspension to be 4 games

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/56735627.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyUPosted by Judd ZulgadLast update: September 16, 2010 - 1:47 PM

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/56735627.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyUSan Diego holdout wide receiver Vincent Jackson can play in the fifth game of the season for any team he is traded to.

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http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/56735627.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyUWith the rumors yesterday about SD and The Vikings talking and now this the "stars have aligned"

 

[snogger]

Who is to blame for getting away from the run in the 2nd half? Childress/Bevell or Favre?

A bit a both. PA(Paul Allen), hometown play-by-play guy and an elite Vikings football mind, says he saw about 4-5 plays that Brett changed a run into a pass. Greg Williams made adjustments that pretty much dared Brett to change the plays and Favre still had his worst game as a Viking.

answer is right here:

reports Chip Scoggins, of The Minneapolis Star Tribune. offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell said he should have ran Peterson more during the second half of Week 1. Peterson had 13 carries before halftime, but just six carries in the second half. Peterson wants a heavy workload, but is not criticizing the coaching staff.

 

[snogger]

Wow

As long as Childress is at the helm this team has very little chance of being better than 8-8 this year.

 

[snogger]

 

[snogger]

The Vikings season.. in Pictures!!!

 

[texasbirdfan]

can't decide who is/was a bigger joke Tice or Chilly

 

[snogger]

can't decide who is/was a bigger joke Tice or Chilly

Considering the little money Red gave Tice to work with I'd take Tice back in a second!