***Official JACKIE BATTLE Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[renesauz]

Battle is a career backup thrust into a starting job due to injuries ahead of him. He has value because he's an NFL starter with opportunities.

In dynasty, he's a sell UNLESS you need to start him (because of your own injuries) and are fighting for a playoff berth.

This guy will continue to put up useful fantasy numbers, but let's not kid ourselves...he's going back to his proper role next year...as a backup. He's got no speed, no quickness. He's a load to bring down when he has a head of steam, but can't manufacture yards without a crease and the chance to build that head of steam. The Battle hype train is going to crash head-long into a brick wall, although that wall might not appear this season.

QB's and WR's often take 2 or 3 years to get their legs under them and start producing in the NFL. I'm not buying into a slow RB that has taken 4 years to produce, especially when said production is still mediocre behind a good line.

As to the Kolb comment...I still believe in Kolb. Kids had what...9 starts?...and has a HORRIBLE line. He still has the arm, and he still has the smarts, and he still has the work ethic...the rest will come (presumably next year at this point when 'Zona addresses some line issues)

 

[humpback]

Another important factor here -- the Chiefs are starting too look awful good. To the extent the team does well and continues gaining steam, I think Battle becomes an even better fantasy force. Now you've got them moving the ball, putting him in position to score. You've got them protecting leads. If he is playing on a 2-6 team, I don't think he's nearly as promising. Now they're 4-3 -- off a four-game winning streak. And the more he starts, the more he plays and helps them win games, the confidence they'll have in him and the more they'll feed him the ball.Battle could be more exceptional in fantasy this year than people realize.

You have to take schedule into account- they have 2 games they should win coming up, but then they have a brutal stretch- @NE, Pitt, @Chi, @NYJ, and GB right in a row.

Brutal on paper, but that's why they play the games.

Of course, which also means they could lose their next two "easy" games. All I'm saying is, I wouldn't be counting on him protecting the lead too often during that stretch.

 

[killrobotkill]

Battle is a career backup thrust into a starting job due to injuries ahead of him. He has value because he's an NFL starter with opportunities.In dynasty, he's a sell UNLESS you need to start him (because of your own injuries) and are fighting for a playoff berth.This guy will continue to put up useful fantasy numbers, but let's not kid ourselves...he's going back to his proper role next year...as a backup. He's got no speed, no quickness. He's a load to bring down when he has a head of steam, but can't manufacture yards without a crease and the chance to build that head of steam. The Battle hype train is going to crash head-long into a brick wall, although that wall might not appear this season.QB's and WR's often take 2 or 3 years to get their legs under them and start producing in the NFL. I'm not buying into a slow RB that has taken 4 years to produce, especially when said production is still mediocre behind a good line.

With injuries to Best, Blount, and McGahee, this kid has been a godsend the last couple of weeks, and I'll probably have to start him at least for the next couple of weeks. However, I have no delusion that he'll be useful much past that point. I'll likely wind up dropping him for whatever the latest hot lottery ticket is at that time.

 

[jonboltz]

Battle is a career backup thrust into a starting job due to injuries ahead of him. He has value because he's an NFL starter with opportunities.In dynasty, he's a sell UNLESS you need to start him (because of your own injuries) and are fighting for a playoff berth.This guy will continue to put up useful fantasy numbers, but let's not kid ourselves...he's going back to his proper role next year...as a backup. He's got no speed, no quickness. He's a load to bring down when he has a head of steam, but can't manufacture yards without a crease and the chance to build that head of steam. The Battle hype train is going to crash head-long into a brick wall, although that wall might not appear this season.

I wrote before in this thread how I would respond to this outlook:

How he performs the rest of the year will determine how much competition KC brings in at RB over the offseason. While Charles should be back next year, It would be foolish to expect more than 200 carries from him. In this offense, that still leaves a fair number of carries for whoever else is sharing the load. If Battle finishes strong and, more importantly doesn't get hurt and miss time, they would likely not invest so strongly in another RB during the draft. If he falters, I see KC brining in a mid-round pick at RB.

He could certainly fail to perform well and be a guy that is never heard from again, but there is certainly a path out there for him to be a guy that could get 200 carries next year.

 

[jon_mx]

There are not 12 RBs in the league I would want on my roster the remainer of this season over Battle. Most people are not in a Dynasty league, so what he might do next year is meaningless. Battle will not put up top 5 numbers in points, but he is elite on the number of touches he will see.

 

[zamboni]

Another important factor here -- the Chiefs are starting too look awful good. To the extent the team does well and continues gaining steam, I think Battle becomes an even better fantasy force. Now you've got them moving the ball, putting him in position to score. You've got them protecting leads. If he is playing on a 2-6 team, I don't think he's nearly as promising. Now they're 4-3 -- off a four-game winning streak. And the more he starts, the more he plays and helps them win games, the confidence they'll have in him and the more they'll feed him the ball.Battle could be more exceptional in fantasy this year than people realize.

You have to take schedule into account- they have 2 games they should win coming up, but then they have a brutal stretch- @NE, Pitt, @Chi, @NYJ, and GB right in a row.

Brutal on paper, but that's why they play the games.

Of course, which also means they could lose their next two "easy" games. All I'm saying is, I wouldn't be counting on him protecting the lead too often during that stretch.

I think we are on the same page - they could absolutely lose the next two "easy" games.As for the tougher-on-paper games thereafter, he could still put up some stats as long as the Chiefs stay in the game and not fall hopelessly behind early.As for dynasty/keeper purposes, I think Battle is clearly a this-year event only (if that), but with all the injuries and muddled RBBCs, he's not looking too bad as an option right now.

 

[humpback]

Another important factor here -- the Chiefs are starting too look awful good. To the extent the team does well and continues gaining steam, I think Battle becomes an even better fantasy force. Now you've got them moving the ball, putting him in position to score. You've got them protecting leads. If he is playing on a 2-6 team, I don't think he's nearly as promising. Now they're 4-3 -- off a four-game winning streak. And the more he starts, the more he plays and helps them win games, the confidence they'll have in him and the more they'll feed him the ball.Battle could be more exceptional in fantasy this year than people realize.

You have to take schedule into account- they have 2 games they should win coming up, but then they have a brutal stretch- @NE, Pitt, @Chi, @NYJ, and GB right in a row.

Brutal on paper, but that's why they play the games.

Of course, which also means they could lose their next two "easy" games. All I'm saying is, I wouldn't be counting on him protecting the lead too often during that stretch.

I think we are on the same page - they could absolutely lose the next two "easy" games.As for the tougher-on-paper games thereafter, he could still put up some stats as long as the Chiefs stay in the game and not fall hopelessly behind early.As for dynasty/keeper purposes, I think Battle is clearly a this-year event only (if that), but with all the injuries and muddled RBBCs, he's not looking too bad as an option right now.

I agree with this, and I own him so I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised, but I'm just trying to look at things objectively. Things have fallen very much in his favor the last 3 games, and he still hasn't exactly lit the world on fire. I could see several games where things don't go his way and he ends up with 30-40 total yards. I'd be much more optimistic if Haley wasn't such a dolt.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Jackie got the slows, man, and there ain't no cure.

Sent an offer out this morning to the guy in my league who always sets his lineup and posts to our forum around 5:30 a.m. (e.g., no way the dude ever sees a late game).

Battle for Torrey Smith

Kind of love the idea of trading away one the slowest straight line runners for a speedster who kind of only knows how to run fast in a straight line.

is this a keeper league? Are you nuts?

Short bench redraft. No.I could hijack to justify why it makes sense, but come on, man - this is the Battle Stations thread!

torrey smith is barely roster worthy

Not true. Flacco does suck, but Torrey Smith had 5 or 6 DEEP ball targets (over 40 yards) plus a handful of other targets that weren't catchable/were borderline catchable. He definately hasvale, if only Flacco could pull his head out of his as. Dude is FAST.

 

[jonboltz]

As for dynasty/keeper purposes, I think Battle is clearly a this-year event only (if that), but with all the injuries and muddled RBBCs, he's not looking too bad as an option right now.

I certainly am not expecting anything from Battle after this year. However, there will be 200 carries up for grabs next year in KC and someone is going to have them. If not Battle, is everyone of the opinion they spend a draft choice on a RB, or are we expecting them to bring in a Free Agent to take carries away from Battle? Would you expect them to do either of these things if Battle puts up an average of 15-60-0.3 the rest of the year?

 

[cvnpoka]

While Charles should be back next year, It would be foolish to expect more than 200 carries from him.

huh? i would gladly take this bet.

 

[zamboni]

As for dynasty/keeper purposes, I think Battle is clearly a this-year event only (if that), but with all the injuries and muddled RBBCs, he's not looking too bad as an option right now.

I certainly am not expecting anything from Battle after this year. However, there will be 200 carries up for grabs next year in KC and someone is going to have them. If not Battle, is everyone of the opinion they spend a draft choice on a RB, or are we expecting them to bring in a Free Agent to take carries away from Battle? Would you expect them to do either of these things if Battle puts up an average of 15-60-0.3 the rest of the year?

If Battle performs well the rest of the year, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him assume Thomas Jones' role as a complement to Charles. Have to figure that this is it for TJ.

 

[cvnpoka]

There are not 12 RBs in the league I would want on my roster the remainer of this season over Battle. Most people are not in a Dynasty league, so what he might do next year is meaningless. Battle will not put up top 5 numbers in points, but he is elite on the number of touches he will see.

this seems like more crazy talk, but i guess stranger things have happened. sure hope you are right.

 

[jonboltz]

While Charles should be back next year, It would be foolish to expect more than 200 carries from him.

huh? i would gladly take this bet.

How many carries to you expect Charles to have next year, one year removed from ACL surgery.

 

[cvnpoka]

240 or so. he should be fully healthy. tear was week 2, he has plenty of time.

 

[jonboltz]

240 or so. he should be fully healthy. tear was week 2, he has plenty of time.

So he is going to set a career high in carries the year after he has an ACL? I happen to think the team will be a little more cautious than that. And while I think he will be back and playing, I dispute that he will be "fully healthy", or at least back to pre-injury form, especially early in the year.

 

[cvnpoka]

ok fine, back to my original stance, he will have more than 200.

i mean, its not like he needs to get back to "preinjury form." he was the best running back in the league pre-injury so he can afford to lose a step and still thrive and command workload.

 

[jonboltz]

ok fine, back to my original stance, he will have more than 200.i mean, its not like he needs to get back to "preinjury form." he was the best running back in the league pre-injury so he can afford to lose a step and still thrive and command workload.

I'm basically trying to point out that whatever he ends up with (200, even 225 or so), there are still going to be a lot of carries in KC, and someone is going to need to take them. Especially with JC coming off his injury, I think they are going to want to have a complimentary back they can trust-- how Battle plays the rest of the way will likely determine how much competition they bring in for this spot.

 

[Reepicheep]

So anybody thinking of dropping Battle for the likes of Ringer or Brinkley or other WW darlings? Personally I'm holding but I suppose it's a matter of looking for consistency vs. upside. Battle giving me exactly what I need out of him during the bye weeks.

 

[loose circuits]

Another important factor here -- the Chiefs are starting too look awful good. To the extent the team does well and continues gaining steam, I think Battle becomes an even better fantasy force. Now you've got them moving the ball, putting him in position to score. You've got them protecting leads. If he is playing on a 2-6 team, I don't think he's nearly as promising. Now they're 4-3 -- off a four-game winning streak. And the more he starts, the more he plays and helps them win games, the confidence they'll have in him and the more they'll feed him the ball.Battle could be more exceptional in fantasy this year than people realize.

You have to take schedule into account- they have 2 games they should win coming up, but then they have a brutal stretch- @NE, Pitt, @Chi, @NYJ, and GB right in a row.

Brutal on paper, but that's why they play the games.

Jets are 26th ranked run defense, not sure what makes them a team to fear. I'm sure the game plan against NE, GB, and Pitt will be to run and keep the ball away from their QB's. Either way, none of those teams are even top 5 against the run. he's worth holding for Miami & Denver coming up and then trade him right at most trade deadlines before week 11

 

[Sweet Love]

240 or so. he should be fully healthy. tear was week 2, he has plenty of time.

So he is going to set a career high in carries the year after he has an ACL? I happen to think the team will be a little more cautious than that. And while I think he will be back and playing, I dispute that he will be "fully healthy", or at least back to pre-injury form, especially early in the year.

Exactly...it may have been maddening how Haley handled the situation when Charles was healthy, but his reason for it was so that Charles would not breakdown. Haley is proven right (though it wasn't a predictable injury). In 2012, a year removed from the injury, Haley is going to decide to feed it to him?!?! No way. Battle is working on playing himself into a RBBC in 2012. If he continues, Jones will be gone and he and Charles (if even healthy), will see a split to start the year.

 

[SlevinKelevra]

So anybody thinking of dropping Battle for the likes of Ringer or Brinkley or other WW darlings?

I think only idiots would do that

 

[loose circuits]

So anybody thinking of dropping Battle for the likes of Ringer or Brinkley or other WW darlings? Personally I'm holding but I suppose it's a matter of looking for consistency vs. upside. Battle giving me exactly what I need out of him during the bye weeks.

I'm gonna drop a starting RB for a 3rd string guy with a concussion?

 

[jon_mx]

There are not 12 RBs in the league I would want on my roster the remainer of this season over Battle. Most people are not in a Dynasty league, so what he might do next year is meaningless. Battle will not put up top 5 numbers in points, but he is elite on the number of touches he will see.

this seems like more crazy talk, but i guess stranger things have happened. sure hope you are right.

The 12th place RB in the league is averaging just under 12 points per week. Battle has averaged just over 12 points per week the last three weeks he has started. May seem crazy, but Battle has done it thus far, and I have happily started him each week. Can he do it for 8 more weeks? Who knows for sure, but he is in a better situation than 90 percent of the backs in the league. Based on performance to date, nothing crazy at all think Battle will be the 12th best back from here on out.

 

[cvnpoka]

foster

mccoy

peterson

mcfadden

fjax

rice

forte

gore

mjd

turner

matherws

sjax

bradshaw

thats 13 slam dunks. but after that i can see taking him over wells, mcgahee, benson, tolbert, greene, demarco, hillis but def disagree.

 

[ponchsox]

So anybody thinking of dropping Battle for the likes of Ringer or Brinkley or other WW darlings? Personally I'm holding but I suppose it's a matter of looking for consistency vs. upside. Battle giving me exactly what I need out of him during the bye weeks.

Ummmmm, no.

 

[wkuredbengal34]

Traded him this morning. 12 team keeper league, .5 ppr .5 per carry

Jackie Battle for Brandon Jacobs and his 2nd round pick next year for my third.

My RB's are Bradshaw, S-Jax, McGahee, J-Stew and Maurice Morris.

Gives me Bradshaw's handcuff (in case he misses any games with injury), and upgrades a draft spot next year in exchange for a 28 year old with a very small track record of success.

 

[jon_mx]

fostermccoypetersonmcfaddenfjaxricefortegoremjdturnermatherwssjaxbradshawthats 13 slam dunks. but after that i can see taking him over wells, mcgahee, benson, tolbert, greene, demarco, hillis but def disagree.

Think you are going to hit the back of the rim on a couple of those slam dunks. Not sure who, but there are always a couple of disappointments. Battle is that steady tortoise who will consistently rack up between 8 and 15 points. He will outperform some people you would not guess.

 

[davearm]

fostermccoypetersonmcfaddenfjaxricefortegoremjdturnermatherwssjaxbradshawthats 13 slam dunks. but after that i can see taking him over wells, mcgahee, benson, tolbert, greene, demarco, hillis but def disagree.

Think you are going to hit the back of the rim on a couple of those slam dunks. Not sure who, but there are always a couple of disappointments. Battle is that steady tortoise who will consistently rack up between 8 and 15 points. He will outperform some people you would not guess.

If you could identify which guys on that list are going to be the disappointments, then you'd really have something.Absent that crystal ball, all of em are better bets to outscore Battle the rest of the way.FWIW, I own none of those 13 guys, but I do own Battle.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

As to the Kolb comment...I still believe in Kolb. Kids had what...9 starts?...and has a HORRIBLE line. He still has the arm, and he still has the smarts, and he still has the work ethic...the rest will come (presumably next year at this point when 'Zona addresses some line issues)

Kolb is a career backup for a reason. He looked like a deer in headlights often last after FOUR years in the same system. Turnover prone pop gun arm qb that constantly retreats and throws off his back foot. AZ was desperate to keep Fitz and were forced to go with a mediocre talent at qb vs waiting til the 2012 draft.He's no better than Rex Grossman. Sucks the cards hitched their wagon to this clown. Will set them back furthur than they already are.

 

[treat88]

fostermccoypetersonmcfaddenfjaxricefortegoremjdturnermatherwssjaxbradshawthats 13 slam dunks. but after that i can see taking him over wells, mcgahee, benson, tolbert, greene, demarco, hillis but def disagree.

I like Battle and all but I'd move him for every name you mentioned except maybe Tolbert, so I agree he's getting a little over hyped.He can certainly be appreciated for what he is without getting carried away.

 

[LOCO]

I might take mendy and sproles over battle. Maybe.

 

[The Comedian]

So anybody thinking of dropping Battle for the likes of Ringer or Brinkley or other WW darlings?

I think only idiots would do that

Sigmund Bloomi would do this. warming to ringer by the second RT @t_yo_20 should I drop Battle for Ringer?

 

[humpback]

Another important factor here -- the Chiefs are starting too look awful good. To the extent the team does well and continues gaining steam, I think Battle becomes an even better fantasy force. Now you've got them moving the ball, putting him in position to score. You've got them protecting leads. If he is playing on a 2-6 team, I don't think he's nearly as promising. Now they're 4-3 -- off a four-game winning streak. And the more he starts, the more he plays and helps them win games, the confidence they'll have in him and the more they'll feed him the ball.Battle could be more exceptional in fantasy this year than people realize.

You have to take schedule into account- they have 2 games they should win coming up, but then they have a brutal stretch- @NE, Pitt, @Chi, @NYJ, and GB right in a row.

Brutal on paper, but that's why they play the games.

Jets are 26th ranked run defense, not sure what makes them a team to fear. I'm sure the game plan against NE, GB, and Pitt will be to run and keep the ball away from their QB's. Either way, none of those teams are even top 5 against the run. he's worth holding for Miami & Denver coming up and then trade him right at most trade deadlines before week 11

No, they aren't top 5 right now, but they are top 10 and better than the three run D's he just faced. In any event, I wasn't talking about their run D so much, it was more the games themselves- KC will most likely be underdogs in all 5 of those games, so I don't think they are going to be in the lead for almost the entire game like they have been lately.Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, just being realistic- his match-ups get much tougher down the stretch.

 

[Reepicheep]

So anybody thinking of dropping Battle for the likes of Ringer or Brinkley or other WW darlings? Personally I'm holding but I suppose it's a matter of looking for consistency vs. upside. Battle giving me exactly what I need out of him during the bye weeks.

I'm gonna drop a starting RB for a 3rd string guy with a concussion?

Obviously I didn't know about the concussion when I posted that.

So anybody thinking of dropping Battle for the likes of Ringer or Brinkley or other WW darlings?

I think only idiots would do that

Sigmund Bloom

i would do this. warming to ringer by the second RT @t_yo_20 should I drop Battle for Ringer?

Personally, I asked because last night was the first I saw of Battle and he wasn't very impressive. Basically non-exisitent besides the drive he scored on. I thought he looked slow and everyone in the game thread was saying the same thing. Planning on holding because he's been a nice bye week filler the past two weeks and I already have a few upside guys on my bench, but I thought I would ask what other owners are doing with him.

 

[renesauz]

240 or so. he should be fully healthy. tear was week 2, he has plenty of time.

So he is going to set a career high in carries the year after he has an ACL? I happen to think the team will be a little more cautious than that. And while I think he will be back and playing, I dispute that he will be "fully healthy", or at least back to pre-injury form, especially early in the year.

You'd be right if this was 2000. Guys return from ACL injuries much faster than they used to. Instead of 18-24 months to get to 100%, now it's 9-12 months. It's reasonable to expect Charles to be 100% GTG by week 1 next year.

 

[jonboltz]

240 or so. he should be fully healthy. tear was week 2, he has plenty of time.

So he is going to set a career high in carries the year after he has an ACL? I happen to think the team will be a little more cautious than that. And while I think he will be back and playing, I dispute that he will be "fully healthy", or at least back to pre-injury form, especially early in the year.

You'd be right if this was 2000. Guys return from ACL injuries much faster than they used to. Instead of 18-24 months to get to 100%, now it's 9-12 months. It's reasonable to expect Charles to be 100% GTG by week 1 next year.

Link me the last guy that came back to be 100% from ACL one year later.

 

[shadyridr]

There are not 12 RBs in the league I would want on my roster the remainer of this season over Battle. Most people are not in a Dynasty league, so what he might do next year is meaningless. Battle will not put up top 5 numbers in points, but he is elite on the number of touches he will see.

id rather have these:foster, rice, adp, fjax, forte, mccoy, beanie, mendy, benson, mjd, dmc, mathews, murray, bradshaw, sproles, stewart, blount, turner, gore, sjaxdebatable cj, greeneonly 12 is lunacy

 

[shadyridr]

Jackie got the slows, man, and there ain't no cure.

Sent an offer out this morning to the guy in my league who always sets his lineup and posts to our forum around 5:30 a.m. (e.g., no way the dude ever sees a late game).

Battle for Torrey Smith

Kind of love the idea of trading away one the slowest straight line runners for a speedster who kind of only knows how to run fast in a straight line.

is this a keeper league? Are you nuts?

Short bench redraft. No.I could hijack to justify why it makes sense, but come on, man - this is the Battle Stations thread!

torrey smith is barely roster worthy

Not true. Flacco does suck, but Torrey Smith had 5 or 6 DEEP ball targets (over 40 yards) plus a handful of other targets that weren't catchable/were borderline catchable. He definately hasvale, if only Flacco could pull his head out of his as. Dude is FAST.

i dont play in a ppt league

 

[shadyridr]

mia def is actually tough against the run

 

[cvnpoka]

240 or so. he should be fully healthy. tear was week 2, he has plenty of time.

So he is going to set a career high in carries the year after he has an ACL? I happen to think the team will be a little more cautious than that. And while I think he will be back and playing, I dispute that he will be "fully healthy", or at least back to pre-injury form, especially early in the year.

You'd be right if this was 2000. Guys return from ACL injuries much faster than they used to. Instead of 18-24 months to get to 100%, now it's 9-12 months. It's reasonable to expect Charles to be 100% GTG by week 1 next year.

Link me the last guy that came back to be 100% from ACL one year later.

really? wes welker, braylon edwards, arrelious benn, all of which were late in the year. for rbs, how about deuce mcallister, hardesty twice, gore twice albeit college.

 

[nysportsfan]

So anybody thinking of dropping Battle for the likes of Ringer or Brinkley or other WW darlings? Personally I'm holding but I suppose it's a matter of looking for consistency vs. upside. Battle giving me exactly what I need out of him during the bye weeks.

I'm gonna drop a starting RB for a 3rd string guy with a concussion?

Obviously I didn't know about the concussion when I posted that.

So anybody thinking of dropping Battle for the likes of Ringer or Brinkley or other WW darlings?

I think only idiots would do that

Sigmund Bloom

i would do this. warming to ringer by the second RT @t_yo_20 should I drop Battle for Ringer?

Personally, I asked because last night was the first I saw of Battle and he wasn't very impressive. Basically non-exisitent besides the drive he scored on. I thought he looked slow and everyone in the game thread was saying the same thing. Planning on holding because he's been a nice bye week filler the past two weeks and I already have a few upside guys on my bench, but I thought I would ask what other owners are doing with him.

I think he is definitely a bigger plodder. However, I think he also runs the same in the 4th quarter as he does in the first, making him tough to tackle. Especially when as a defensive player you are worn out. I do not think it's any coincidence that he gains most of his yards late as he is a big, strong back.

 

[jon_mx]

There are not 12 RBs in the league I would want on my roster the remainer of this season over Battle. Most people are not in a Dynasty league, so what he might do next year is meaningless. Battle will not put up top 5 numbers in points, but he is elite on the number of touches he will see.

id rather have these:foster, rice, adp, fjax, forte, mccoy, beanie, mendy, benson, mjd, dmc, mathews, murray, bradshaw, sproles, stewart, blount, turner, gore, sjaxdebatable cj, greeneonly 12 is lunacy

You may rather have 12, but Battle will not be outscored by 12 RBs. He will put up solid consistent numbers.

 

[jonboltz]

240 or so. he should be fully healthy. tear was week 2, he has plenty of time.

So he is going to set a career high in carries the year after he has an ACL? I happen to think the team will be a little more cautious than that. And while I think he will be back and playing, I dispute that he will be "fully healthy", or at least back to pre-injury form, especially early in the year.

You'd be right if this was 2000. Guys return from ACL injuries much faster than they used to. Instead of 18-24 months to get to 100%, now it's 9-12 months. It's reasonable to expect Charles to be 100% GTG by week 1 next year.

Link me the last guy that came back to be 100% from ACL one year later.

really? wes welker, braylon edwards, arrelious benn, all of which were late in the year. for rbs, how about deuce mcallister, hardesty twice, gore twice albeit college.

None of the players you listed were 100% twelve months after their surgery.

 

[cvnpoka]

elite players dont need to be "100%" to be utilized

 

[flooredyas]

There are not 12 RBs in the league I would want on my roster the remainer of this season over Battle. Most people are not in a Dynasty league, so what he might do next year is meaningless. Battle will not put up top 5 numbers in points, but he is elite on the number of touches he will see.

id rather have these:foster, rice, adp, fjax, forte, mccoy, beanie, mendy, benson, mjd, dmc, mathews, murray, bradshaw, sproles, stewart, blount, turner, gore, sjaxdebatable cj, greeneonly 12 is lunacy

Glad to own him and if you are fortunate enough to as well you would gladly have a RB2 at the price of making a waiver move. Those thinking of dropping him should re-evaluate their line of thinking. Even after the byes are behind us in 2 more weeks (Of byes) he will still likely be starting as my flex player. Unless you only HAVE to start 1 RB you nuts to drop him.

 

[jonboltz]

elite players dont need to be "100%" to be utilized

Well of course not, and that wasn't the argument. 200 or so carries is certainly utilized for a guy that never broke 230 coming off an ACL.

 

[Boone22]

Jamaal Charles last year = 230 carries, 1467 yards, 5 TDs

Thomas Jones last year = 245 carries 896 yards 6 TDs

Can we all agree that BATTLE > Jones?

Can we all agree that Charles probably won't get more carries next year than he did in 2010, especially coming off an ACL injury?

So assuming KC does not go out and draft an early round RB or pick up a top FA RB, we can expect BATTLE to get at least 200 carries next year. Just to be safe let's drop him 0.5 YPC and assume he averages 4.2 yards per carry (he's currently averaging 4.7 this year). We should expect around 840 yards and again we'll play it safe as only give him 3 TDs for the season. If this was last year, that would rank him as RB #34 in a non-PPR league. Again, that's assuming NO receiving yardage and only 3 TDs, along with only 200 carries and a 4.2 ypc average. So at worst he's a low end RB #3 next year. If he gets closer to 6 TDs and 100 yards receiving than he's a low end #2 RB (right around Thomas Jones at RB #22). If he gets more carries, more receiving yardage, or averages more than 4.2 YPC, he's a mid to high end #2 RB.

So while I agree much of his value rests in this year, you can't disregard his potential as part of a RBBC in KC for Dynasty leagues. Unless he gets replaced during the off-season, he's at worst a RB#3 or flex play/spot starter going into next year with RB#2 upside.

 

[duaneok66]

it's a huge leap to expect them NOT to bring in another back - ESPECIALLY since Charles's health will probably be in doubt.

 

[cvnpoka]

it's a huge leap to expect them NOT to bring in another back - ESPECIALLY since Charles's health will probably be in doubt.

ya this. draft and free agency can make this situation a ton murkier. haley turning this team around is the best thing for battle tho. hes one of the few coaches that will do everything in his power to limit charles.

 

[The Godfather]

elite players dont need to be "100%" to be utilized

Tennessee has been utilizing chris johnson all year and he's only recovering from a holdout.