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Official Knowshon Moreno Injury thread (1 Viewer)

packer_junkie

Footballguy
It was bound to happen!?

Any word or insight on the severity? It looked bad and he looked very hobbled trying to return. They're gonna need this dude for the real playoffs so I am wondering if he gets some time off now?

Reports say crutches/boot after the game & MRI today.

Post updates/thoughts here!

 

SaintsInDome2006

Footballguy
Glad to see KM finally get his due from a coach - but they overdid it. Pulling Ball, I get it, but Moreno was the one who got punished.

 

CentralPA

Footballguy
Sounds like a high ankle sprain. If so he's not playing against KC, I could imagine him not playing until the playoffs.

 

SanDawg

Footballguy
When he came back in the first run he was hobbling. After that he looked Ok. Play did not look that bad after watching 3 or 4 times. Hoping just a one of those precautionary things w/crutches and boot and perhaps a mild sprain. If not and misses the game you have a mess. Does Hillman come back and play a role? CJ and Ball split? All 3 split? Fingers crossed for KM for sure.

 

need2know

Footballguy
I have been holding ball thinking moreno was overdue for an injury. Guess there is no way to tell the rb split with moreno out until we see it

 

Bayhawks

Footballguy
Sounds like a high ankle sprain. If so he's not playing against KC, I could imagine him not playing until the playoffs.
While possible, I don't think it is a HIGH ankle sprain. a HAS is usually tougher to play through than a "typical" ankle sprain.

If he sprained his ankle, he might have been able to stay on it & play through it (which is was it seems like he did). HAS's though, are harder injuries to "play through."

 

need2know

Footballguy
I have been holding ball thinking moreno was overdue for an injury. Guess there is no way to tell the rb split with moreno out until we see it
If Ball keeps fumbling he wont get many carries.
Well hillman had the same problem. I think ball has looked the best with his chances, but like I said who knows what they are going to do. Peyton is probably going to have to throw more

 

CentralPA

Footballguy
Sounds like a high ankle sprain. If so he's not playing against KC, I could imagine him not playing until the playoffs.
While possible, I don't think it is a HIGH ankle sprain. a HAS is usually tougher to play through than a "typical" ankle sprain.

If he sprained his ankle, he might have been able to stay on it & play through it (which is was it seems like he did). HAS's though, are harder injuries to "play through."
Would he still be able to run on it if it was a Lis Franc?

 

Bayhawks

Footballguy
Sounds like a high ankle sprain. If so he's not playing against KC, I could imagine him not playing until the playoffs.
While possible, I don't think it is a HIGH ankle sprain. a HAS is usually tougher to play through than a "typical" ankle sprain.

If he sprained his ankle, he might have been able to stay on it & play through it (which is was it seems like he did). HAS's though, are harder injuries to "play through."
Would he still be able to run on it if it was a Lis Franc?
Are you just throwing out "dreaded" injuries?

I am not a Dr, nor do I know Moreno's pain tolerance. I have seen no indication that it is a Lis Franc, and I doubt it was a HAS, based on the fact that he continued to put up decent runs after (it seems) the injury occurred. Perhaps it was a HAS, and he is just a tough SOB who played through it. I doubt it, though.

 

Shutout

Footballguy
I'm sure a lot of people will feel vindicated or say "I knew he would get hurt..just a matter of time" just because that's what a lot of people have said when they put the label on him (and he deserved it at one time), but this wat the kind of injury that could have (and probably was likely to) occur in this situation. Nearly 40 carries with almost no breaks in frozen conditions; that could happen to anyone.

THis is a tough situation. I don't really remember any scenarios lately where a player leaves on crutches AND a walking boot and then plays the next game.

Would reasonable assumption suggest that, due to his importance to the team, that this may be a situaiton where we don't see him for a few weeks, at least? I'm thinking so.

 

Shutout

Footballguy
Sounds like a high ankle sprain. If so he's not playing against KC, I could imagine him not playing until the playoffs.
While possible, I don't think it is a HIGH ankle sprain. a HAS is usually tougher to play through than a "typical" ankle sprain.

If he sprained his ankle, he might have been able to stay on it & play through it (which is was it seems like he did). HAS's though, are harder injuries to "play through."
Would he still be able to run on it if it was a Lis Franc?
Are you just throwing out "dreaded" injuries?

I am not a Dr, nor do I know Moreno's pain tolerance. I have seen no indication that it is a Lis Franc, and I doubt it was a HAS, based on the fact that he continued to put up decent runs after (it seems) the injury occurred. Perhaps it was a HAS, and he is just a tough SOB who played through it. I doubt it, though.
Actually, I wouldn't doubt the HAS thought. I have no clue in regard to make the call but I can see it if someone said "he had a sprain and played through it". Playing football when younger, I have twisted and sprained things in lower parts of the legs and been able to play through for the rest of the game on a very short term basis, just as he did last night (it wasn't a long period). You can go on adrenaline a bit and compensate, getting your legs straight under you and avoiding lateral moves. You can tape up just to make it rigid and play through.

Its after the game when all that wears off and the sweliing kicks in that shelves you.

 
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Banger

Footballguy
ugh...been holding CJ Anderson for 3 weeks and had to cut him for a backup QB this week....little chance I get him back now....

Moreno was amazing last night...guy has really turned his career around.

 

TeeDub

Footballguy
How is CJ Anderson's pass protection? Cause we all know that is the rb that Peyton will choose to replace Moreno if he's out for awhile

 
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Bayhawks

Footballguy
Sounds like a high ankle sprain. If so he's not playing against KC, I could imagine him not playing until the playoffs.
While possible, I don't think it is a HIGH ankle sprain. a HAS is usually tougher to play through than a "typical" ankle sprain.

If he sprained his ankle, he might have been able to stay on it & play through it (which is was it seems like he did). HAS's though, are harder injuries to "play through."
Would he still be able to run on it if it was a Lis Franc?
Are you just throwing out "dreaded" injuries?

I am not a Dr, nor do I know Moreno's pain tolerance. I have seen no indication that it is a Lis Franc, and I doubt it was a HAS, based on the fact that he continued to put up decent runs after (it seems) the injury occurred. Perhaps it was a HAS, and he is just a tough SOB who played through it. I doubt it, though.
Actually, I wouldn't doubt the HAS thought. I have no clue in regard to make the call but I can see it if someone said "he had a sprain and played through it". Playing football when younger, I have twisted and sprained things in lower parts of the legs and been able to play through for the rest of the game on a very short term basis, just as he did last night (it wasn't a long period). You can go on adrenaline a bit and compensate, getting your legs straight under you and avoiding lateral moves. You can tape up just to make it rigid and play through.

Its after the game when all that wears off and the sweliing kicks in that shelves you.
This is true, and I said as much, for "typical" ankle sprains. However, the HAS is another beast altogether. Usually, you are not able to "gut out" a HAS.

Again, I don't know about Moreno's pain tolerance, so it's possible he played through a HAS. I personally doubt it, though.

ETA-After reviewing the game logs & re-watching the highlights, I suppose it could be a HAS. He seemed to come up gimpy a few times, so maybe if he did suffer a HAS, it wasn't until the final play he was in on.

 
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need2know

Footballguy
I would bet that ball and Anderson would split the carries. Slight edge to ball because I think he gets the goal line carries and maybe a few more carries than Anderson

but I could definitely see either one fumbling and losing the job or getting hot and keeping it

it gets even more confusing if they decide to bring Hillman back

 
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Shutout

Footballguy
FWIW, and it may be nothing, As one of the people that called Morneo for Denver in the offseason, I am now looking at this scenario and thinking if Moreno is out for an extended period, it will be Ball as the next man up.

I would love, love, love to see CJ in there and I can actually see the scenario where he is probably the most effective as an all-around back if Denver needed the short passing game, especially, but I think with the turning of the weather and the general improvement Ball has made up to this point, he will get the next shot.

Of course, turnovers could end that opportunity really quickly but if I was forced to put a Denver RB in my lineup next week other than Moreno, I would be going after Ball.

 

SaintsInDome2006

Footballguy
I would think Del Rio would be getting some local criticism for running Moreno into the ground.

He's got a reliable vet but he has three unproven young backs right behind him. That fumble by Ball was bad but given the conditions the ball was flying around a lot really for both teams - the fumble by Anderson was much worse, you can't bungle the handoff, CJ.

Just guessing from afar here: If Moreno's out I would think it would be Ball leading, with Hillman as 3rd down back and Anderson continuing to get worked in. But what is the deal with Hillman?

 

iamkoza

Footballguy
I would think Del Rio would be getting some local criticism for running Moreno into the ground.

He's got a reliable vet but he has three unproven young backs right behind him. That fumble by Ball was bad but given the conditions the ball was flying around a lot really for both teams - the fumble by Anderson was much worse, you can't bungle the handoff, CJ.

Just guessing from afar here: If Moreno's out I would think it would be Ball leading, with Hillman as 3rd down back and Anderson continuing to get worked in. But what is the deal with Hillman?
hillman fumbles too much and isnt big enough to be a lead back in the nfl.... ball fumbles too, but he is big enough to take 20 carries a game if needed so I think they are willing to go through the growing pains with ball. My total guess here if moreno misses time ball gets 10-15 carries, anderson gets 5-8, hillman gets 5-8.

 

Macdaddy_2004

Footballguy
I remember last year when McGahee got sidelined and everyone thought Hillman was the next man up and Moreno awoke from the dead after being inactive for most of the season.

Wouldn't surprsise me if all of a sudden Hillman was the "next man up"

 

zftcg

Footballguy
I know the whole point of this board is for us to engage in lots of speculation about situations where we have no idea of the ultimate outcome, but all the pseudo-medical diagnoses on this thread are kind of ridiculous. Reminds me of this scene from "The Simpsons":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l3oUUUzOxE

 

Adam Harstad

Moderator
How is CJ Anderson's pass protection? Cause we all know that is the rb that Peyton will choose to replace Moreno if he's out for awhile
Haven't seen him do it much, to be honest. Based on usage last night, it would seem Denver was more comfortable with Ball as a passing-down back than Anderson. Moreno played on very few passing downs prior to Ball's fumble, but played the majority of them afterwards. The sample sizes are small, so I wouldn't read too terribly much into it, but I have been very surprised with how much work Ball has been getting on passing downs the last two weeks.

Denver hasn't actually been using its backs in pass protection a whole ton this season. Most of the time, if they're on the field on passing downs, they're out running routes.

 

Adam Harstad

Moderator
I would think Del Rio would be getting some local criticism for running Moreno into the ground.
I would think so, too, though I'm not local and can't say for sure. It's funny, Moreno set a career high in rushing attempts last week and a lot of people were complaining that Denver didn't use him enough after Ball got both of the rushing TDs. Moreno sets a new career high in rushing attempts this week and now people are complaining that Denver used him too much because he got injured. People are too outcome-oriented, they don't focus enough on evaluating the processes.

 

Adam Harstad

Moderator
I remember last year when McGahee got sidelined and everyone thought Hillman was the next man up and Moreno awoke from the dead after being inactive for most of the season.

Wouldn't surprsise me if all of a sudden Hillman was the "next man up"
Management thinks Hillman fits best as a change of pace back. I'd be surprised if he starts getting big workload totals, although I wouldn't be shocked if Denver's entire backfield morphed into a 3-headed mess and Hillman managed to lead the team in touches despite a limited workload.

 

RBM

Footballguy
What a friggin warrior Moreno was last night. If he misses a few it will hurt but he's done more than enough this year to prove his worth as a legit feature rb in this league.

 

bicycle_seat_sniffer

Smells like chicken
I have been holding ball thinking moreno was overdue for an injury. Guess there is no way to tell the rb split with moreno out until we see it
If Ball keeps fumbling he wont get many carries.
Who will they go to, instead? Hillman has battled fumbles of his own, and Anderson fumbled one of his four carries last night, too.
I wouldnt hold last nights fumbles against anyone. its was extreme conditions for holding onto the ball

 

Adam Harstad

Moderator
I have been holding ball thinking moreno was overdue for an injury. Guess there is no way to tell the rb split with moreno out until we see it
If Ball keeps fumbling he wont get many carries.
Who will they go to, instead? Hillman has battled fumbles of his own, and Anderson fumbled one of his four carries last night, too.
I wouldnt hold last nights fumbles against anyone. its was extreme conditions for holding onto the ball
Definitely agreed. Other than Moreno and Tamme, nobody on the Broncos could hold on. Every other receiver had a drop. Every other ball carrier had a fumble, including Manning himself. Honestly, I was surprised Denver held Ball's fumble against him- to this point in the season, they've always brought Ball back out onto the field within a drive or two of him fumbling. Hindsight is 20/20, but Denver might be a lot better off today if they'd risked giving Ball a few more carries again rather than relying on Anderson (who they still don't seem to completely trust) and overworking Moreno.

 

steelwind

Footballguy
They should have never allowed Moreno back into the game. The carries he got after being hurt were ineffective and he grimaced every step. It made his injury worse. Punishing Ball for fumbling and letting Moreno back in the game will actually hurt them moving forward.

 

CariocaSean

Footballguy
They should have never allowed Moreno back into the game. The carries he got after being hurt were ineffective and he grimaced every step. It made his injury worse. Punishing Ball for fumbling and letting Moreno back in the game will actually hurt them moving forward.
I agree that they should not have let Moreno back into the game after he limped off. I also agree that they should have spelled Moreno more throughout the night by giving Ball more carries. He looked great other than the fumble.

I don't think it comes down to punishing Ball, though. I think it comes down to a trust issue. They don't trust Ball to hold onto the football in key situations. The situation is starting to become a real problem because Moreno can't carry the full load if their going to run this much. Something has to give. They really have no choice but to siphon carries off to Ball despite not trusting him.

 

Shutout

Footballguy
I have been holding ball thinking moreno was overdue for an injury. Guess there is no way to tell the rb split with moreno out until we see it
If Ball keeps fumbling he wont get many carries.
Who will they go to, instead? Hillman has battled fumbles of his own, and Anderson fumbled one of his four carries last night, too.
At least with CJ the Broncos can specualte that his fumble was related to game conditions or was just a thing. With Hillman and Ball, its a documented history. They like Hillman as a COP anyway.

I'm guessing it's Balls turn but I would have no problem if they went with Anderson. Anyone except Hillman as a feature RB is reasonable at this point.

 

need2know

Footballguy
They should have never allowed Moreno back into the game. The carries he got after being hurt were ineffective and he grimaced every step. It made his injury worse. Punishing Ball for fumbling and letting Moreno back in the game will actually hurt them moving forward.
I agree that they should not have let Moreno back into the game after he limped off. I also agree that they should have spelled Moreno more throughout the night by giving Ball more carries. He looked great other than the fumble.I don't think it comes down to punishing Ball, though. I think it comes down to a trust issue. They don't trust Ball to hold onto the football in key situations. The situation is starting to become a real problem because Moreno can't carry the full load if their going to run this much. Something has to give. They really have no choice but to siphon carries off to Ball despite not trusting him.
Or they could try throwing the ball more. ..he is peyton manning

 

Adam Harstad

Moderator
I have been holding ball thinking moreno was overdue for an injury. Guess there is no way to tell the rb split with moreno out until we see it
If Ball keeps fumbling he wont get many carries.
Who will they go to, instead? Hillman has battled fumbles of his own, and Anderson fumbled one of his four carries last night, too.
At least with CJ the Broncos can specualte that his fumble was related to game conditions or was just a thing. With Hillman and Ball, its a documented history. They like Hillman as a COP anyway.

I'm guessing it's Balls turn but I would have no problem if they went with Anderson. Anyone except Hillman as a feature RB is reasonable at this point.
Ball doesn't really have a documented history, though. He had 5 fumbles in 1000 career touches in college. The fumble this week came in the same conditions as Anderson's. The fumble last week was more Peyton's fault (although Ball wasn't 100% blameless).

 

CariocaSean

Footballguy
They should have never allowed Moreno back into the game. The carries he got after being hurt were ineffective and he grimaced every step. It made his injury worse. Punishing Ball for fumbling and letting Moreno back in the game will actually hurt them moving forward.
I agree that they should not have let Moreno back into the game after he limped off. I also agree that they should have spelled Moreno more throughout the night by giving Ball more carries. He looked great other than the fumble.I don't think it comes down to punishing Ball, though. I think it comes down to a trust issue. They don't trust Ball to hold onto the football in key situations. The situation is starting to become a real problem because Moreno can't carry the full load if their going to run this much. Something has to give. They really have no choice but to siphon carries off to Ball despite not trusting him.
Or they could try throwing the ball more. ..he is peyton manning
True, but Manning has stated they are trying to 'winterize' right now. Manning isn't a great cold weather QB and that might be part of the problem as well. He looked miserable last night. If they can run for 250 plus you would think that would be a pretty good playoff strategy in difficult conditions.

 

Shutout

Footballguy
I have been holding ball thinking moreno was overdue for an injury. Guess there is no way to tell the rb split with moreno out until we see it
If Ball keeps fumbling he wont get many carries.
Who will they go to, instead? Hillman has battled fumbles of his own, and Anderson fumbled one of his four carries last night, too.
At least with CJ the Broncos can specualte that his fumble was related to game conditions or was just a thing. With Hillman and Ball, its a documented history. They like Hillman as a COP anyway.

I'm guessing it's Balls turn but I would have no problem if they went with Anderson. Anyone except Hillman as a feature RB is reasonable at this point.
Ball doesn't really have a documented history, though. He had 5 fumbles in 1000 career touches in college. The fumble this week came in the same conditions as Anderson's. The fumble last week was more Peyton's fault (although Ball wasn't 100% blameless).
You're probably more correct than I am thinking on that. It seems like all we ever hear is fumble, fumble, fumble, from Ball and Hillman but I don't know the numbers. I'm probably buying into what I read more than the actual number but my general thought is that if he has lost 3-4 this year, which would be Stevan Ridley territory, then it does seem like teams have a hard time living with that with their RBs and might say, all things being equal, let's see what the other guy has got.

But like I said, I do think they will go with Ball first at this point if Moreno misses time.

 

Shutout

Footballguy
They should have never allowed Moreno back into the game. The carries he got after being hurt were ineffective and he grimaced every step. It made his injury worse. Punishing Ball for fumbling and letting Moreno back in the game will actually hurt them moving forward.
I agree that they should not have let Moreno back into the game after he limped off. I also agree that they should have spelled Moreno more throughout the night by giving Ball more carries. He looked great other than the fumble.I don't think it comes down to punishing Ball, though. I think it comes down to a trust issue. They don't trust Ball to hold onto the football in key situations. The situation is starting to become a real problem because Moreno can't carry the full load if their going to run this much. Something has to give. They really have no choice but to siphon carries off to Ball despite not trusting him.
Or they could try throwing the ball more. ..he is peyton manning
True, but Manning has stated they are trying to 'winterize' right now. Manning isn't a great cold weather QB and that might be part of the problem as well. He looked miserable last night. If they can run for 250 plus you would think that would be a pretty good playoff strategy in difficult conditions.
That's an interesting observation. Peyton does have a knack for looking like the most miserable man alive in cold weather which is kind of funny because his brother Eli has won some big games in the true frigid venues of the NFL.

 

pizzatyme

Footballguy
A. Is there definitive word on Moreno's injury and missed time? It sounds like we're placing him 6' under by the posts here.

B. Who the hell is the RB coach in Denver and how does he still have. Job???

And Del Rio still sucks eggs as a coach!

 

packer_junkie

Footballguy
I haven't heard anything on Moreno's injury other than he was on crutches + had a boot on. ESPN.com has an article discussing RB Injuries yesterday & they state they expect him to play since he returned. I also know he has an MRI today.

 

steelwind

Footballguy
packer_junkie said:
I haven't heard anything on Moreno's injury other than he was on crutches + had a boot on. ESPN.com has an article discussing RB Injuries yesterday & they state they expect him to play since he returned. I also know he has an MRI today.
I thought the same with Sproles since he returned to the game in week 11 after spraining his ankle and then he was inactive in week 12. Yes the Saints had a quick turnaround playing on Thursday night football but Sproles was not on crutches or in a walking boot and he didn't have an MRI. Moreno is headed for an MRI.

http://nflspinzone.com/2013/11/25/broncos-rb-knowshon-moreno-spotten-crtuches-walking-boot/

 
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Isotopes

Footballguy
I'm sure a lot of people will feel vindicated or say "I knew he would get hurt..just a matter of time" just because that's what a lot of people have said when they put the label on him (and he deserved it at one time), but this wat the kind of injury that could have (and probably was likely to) occur in this situation. Nearly 40 carries with almost no breaks in frozen conditions; that could happen to anyone.

THis is a tough situation. I don't really remember any scenarios lately where a player leaves on crutches AND a walking boot and then plays the next game.

Would reasonable assumption suggest that, due to his importance to the team, that this may be a situaiton where we don't see him for a few weeks, at least? I'm thinking so.
The game was over pretty late at night, and Moreno just abused his body. If there was a wheelchair accessible, I am sure he would have appreciated the help.

 

steelwind

Footballguy
"ESPN's Adam Schefter stated on NFL Insiders Monday that the Broncos view Knowshon Moreno's ankle injury as "not serious."

Schefter admitted details remain scant, but the injury is not viewed as serious. Whether that means he's day to day, week to week, or might miss one game and then return for Week 14 remains to be seen. We don't expect another concrete update before Wednesday's practice. Montee Ball should be owned in all leagues, and intriguing UDFA C.J. Anderson is worth stashing as well."
 

JFS171

Footballguy
Denver Post (and Rotoworld) are trying to make some controversy here:


The Denver Post reports Knowshon Moreno is dealing with a "significant bone bruise" in his lower right leg.

Beat writer Mike Klis calls Moreno "questionable at best" to face Kansas City in Week 13. Although the injury is considered "not serious" by NFL standards -- he isn't going to miss the rest of the season, obviously -- it appears to be a week-to-week ordeal Moreno may not be able to play through. Should Moreno miss one game, the Broncos would likely turn to Montee Ball as their lead back with C.J. Anderson and Ronnie Hillman rotating in behind him. Coach Jack Del Rio did leave the door open Monday for Moreno to resume practicing by week's end. Time will tell whether that's mere coachspeak.
 

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