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*** Official Lost Season 6 *** (1 Viewer)

My understanding is that the Island and all that was real, it was teh sideways world that happened after they were all dead. Which really doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
That's not it. Let's just start with the entire series didn't make any sense. It had a beginning, middle and end but none of it made sense. You'll probably be a little happier if you think of it like that.
I don't think anybody here is unhappy, other than you.
It is easy to tell who was caught hook, line and sinker by the Jacob and the candidates BS.
 
Is Kimmel on right now? I think my stupid local station is showing a glorified cable access show with Tim McCarver interviewing Joe Morgan.

 
My understanding is that the Island and all that was real, it was teh sideways world that happened after they were all dead. Which really doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
That's not it. Let's just start with the entire series didn't make any sense. It had a beginning, middle and end but none of it made sense. You'll probably be a little happier if you think of it like that.
I don't think anybody here is unhappy, other than you.
It is easy to tell who was caught hook, line and sinker by the Jacob and the candidates BS.
I liked it. You didn't. Either way, I'm not silly enough to let a TV show make me mad, Mr. Internet Angry Guy.
 
My take on the ending:

Nothing was purgatory. The island happened. The alternate timeline happened.

People who existed in both essentially "woke up" to their other original self, when something cathartic happened to them they would have "flashes before their eyes".

What they saw was not just their island life that we saw during the show, but their WHOLE life in the prime universe. That is why time didn't matter for them. They know they're dead (everyone dies eventually), so they all meet up and go off to heaven together or something.

Could've been better imo. I don't think anything was purgatory though.

 
Fox is on Kimmel now saying that he believes that the show was a look at Jack's "test" to get into his ideal afterlife (heaven or what have you). He was led into that theory by Kimmel, but he definitely agreed with it without hesitation.

Implication being that each person could have their own purgatory alternate timeline but that this series dealt with Jack's specifically.

 
Fox is on Kimmel now saying that he believes that the show was a look at Jack's "test" to get into his ideal afterlife (heaven or what have you). He was led into that theory by Kimmel, but he definitely agreed with it without hesitation.Implication being that each person could have their own purgatory alternate timeline but that this series dealt with Jack's specifically.
Plenty of stuff happened on the show that didn't involve Jack.
 
Fox is on Kimmel now saying that he believes that the show was a look at Jack's "test" to get into his ideal afterlife (heaven or what have you). He was led into that theory by Kimmel, but he definitely agreed with it without hesitation.Implication being that each person could have their own purgatory alternate timeline but that this series dealt with Jack's specifically.
Plenty of stuff happened on the show that didn't involve Jack.
Agreed. I think it's interesting to look at the show as being Jack's test but for me that's not satisfying because for me the show was about all of the characters. Jack was obviously important but the show worked for me because of all of them.
 
They knocked it out of the park. The sideways timeline we have been watching all season was the afterlife? Genius.

Sorry for those that didn't like it. If you are in the camp of people that needs everything tied into a nice bow or you can't enjoy a story, there is plenty of other Hollywood crap out there for you to enjoy.

 
MAJOR PLOTLINES ON LOST THAT TURNED OUT TO BE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT1. "Walt is really special"2. "Sayid kills a bunch of people for Ben"3. "Mr. Eko"4. "People on the island can't have babies"5. "Faraday"6. "Eloise Hawking"7. "Widmore v. Ben"8. "NOT PENNY'S BOAT"9. "You're a candidate"10. "Jacob brought people to the island"
11. Numbers12. Dogan and the hippie @ the Temple
 
MAJOR PLOTLINES ON LOST THAT TURNED OUT TO BE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT1. "Walt is really special"2. "Sayid kills a bunch of people for Ben"3. "Mr. Eko"4. "People on the island can't have babies"5. "Faraday"6. "Eloise Hawking"7. "Widmore v. Ben"8. "NOT PENNY'S BOAT"9. "You're a candidate"10. "Jacob brought people to the island"
11. Numbers12. Dogan and the hippie @ the Temple
Ilana? Was she necesary?
 
My understanding is that the Island and all that was real, it was teh sideways world that happened after they were all dead. Which really doesn't make a whole lot of sense.I think if they hadn't introduced the sideways world and just made this season all about on the island stuff, it would have been better. End the finale with the same island scenes and none of the sideways stuff and I'd like it a lot.
I agree with this. Jack has his chance for redemption on the island. I didn't really see a reason for the sideways purgatory at all. With that said, I'm satisfied. This has been a hell of a show.
 
MAJOR PLOTLINES ON LOST THAT TURNED OUT TO BE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT1. "Walt is really special"2. "Sayid kills a bunch of people for Ben"3. "Mr. Eko"4. "People on the island can't have babies"5. "Faraday"6. "Eloise Hawking"7. "Widmore v. Ben"8. "NOT PENNY'S BOAT"9. "You're a candidate"10. "Jacob brought people to the island"
11. Numbers12. Dogan and the hippie @ the Temple
Ilana? Was she necesary?
14. Hot chick and her boyfriend and a suitcase full of diamonds15. Libby being at Hurley's insane asylum and selling Desmond her boat16. Dharma was actually pretty superflous as well
 
MAJOR PLOTLINES ON LOST THAT TURNED OUT TO BE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT

1. "Walt is really special"

2. "Sayid kills a bunch of people for Ben"

3. "Mr. Eko"

4. "People on the island can't have babies"

5. "Faraday"

6. "Eloise Hawking"

7. "Widmore v. Ben"

8. "NOT PENNY'S BOAT"

9. "You're a candidate"

10. "Jacob brought people to the island"
He was written out because he didn't want to live in Hawaii anymore. He was intended to have a much larger role.

 
Enjoyed it. I think the more I read about it and the more I learn about others theorys will make me appreciate it more. Definitely like the overarching storyline of "being with the people that you made most of your memories with".

 
Why do irrelevant storylines detract from your enjoyment of the show?

Star Wars was all about Anakin's redemption, should we scour through episodes 4-6 for all the irrelevant crap in there (Han and Leia in the Asteriod/Creature for instance)? Or do we just accept it for what it is and enjoy it?

 
This was one of the more entertaining two hours and twenty minutes of Lost since seasons one and two. It's those final ten minutes that are fairly important.

If you enjoyed the last couple seasons for what it was - a bunch of relatively entertaining hullaballoo with characters that you'd kind of lost track of - then this was a very entertaining episode, just like the last few seasons.

If you watched the last couple seasons feeling like you were frustrated and watching a story build to some final conclusion that was really important, then you judge it on the last ten minutes, because they were the most important of all of the thousands and thousands of minutes of the rest of the show. The lasting point of the show was the fact that they were moving on.

Is that satisfying? I think it can be. Season one, we were introduced to these characters, and we found them likable, but learned about how flawed they all were. We saw them fighting through adversity together, watched some of them fall in love, and watched a story develop. We learned that Kate would light the house on fire or shoot someone in the back to save the people she loved, but she needed to stop running. We learned that Hurley lacked faith in himself, and that he was a good, lovable person for who he was. We learned that Jack was a fixer, and very capable of being a leader, but he always had his father, or the island, or jacob, or fate, or something hanging over him. Hurley explicitly talked about Sayid being a good person, and that he wasn't what people told him he was. All of them had to move past those issues before they could move on. Whether the island was real, or was a symbol for real life, we're all flawed people and maybe we all need to work past some things before we can move on.

But here's the thing that I can't get past. Why the #### did there need to be any kind of time travel involved in this story? I get a lot of the mysteries being left open - things like babies not being born into purgatory (if that's what it was) or the island really being a physical place and the real things that happened on it were all part of them keeping hell from being unleashed on earth, or each other, or whatever you think it is based on your interpretation of the show. There's a lot of good stuff that could be interpreted different ways and I'm sure people will rewatch it and come up with their various theories and all those little unanswered questions that came up will be pushed and twisted into whatever storyline they choose to believe. That's pretty cool.

But while I appreciate the need to tell a non-linear story, and I enjoyed parts of the storytelling throughout, I will remember this show as a decent but not spectacular overall storyline of characters movin on, with fantastic storytelling in seasons one and two, and unnecessarily complicated and sometimes difficult to enjoy storytelling for the next few seasons after that. There were some good episodes in between, but a lot of the episodes that I was willing to live with because they advanced the plot seem to have been rendered irrelevant because the plot, as it turns out, was irrelevant. Maybe on second watch, I'll see some secret meaning to them.

I said before the finale that I would judge the whole series based on this finale. I think that's what happened. It was good. I will probably rewatch bits and pieces, but I'm not in a huge hurry, and I may never go back through all of it. I don't feel cheated. I liked it. But it didn't live up to the hopes I'd had, either.

It was a good show. Sad to see it over.

 
MAJOR PLOTLINES ON LOST THAT TURNED OUT TO BE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT1. "Walt is really special"2. "Sayid kills a bunch of people for Ben"3. "Mr. Eko"4. "People on the island can't have babies"5. "Faraday"6. "Eloise Hawking"7. "Widmore v. Ben"8. "NOT PENNY'S BOAT"9. "You're a candidate"10. "Jacob brought people to the island"
11. Numbers12. Dogan and the hippie @ the Temple
Ilana? Was she necesary?
DHARMAI think it's funny that the producers/writers swore up and down that purgatory had nothing to do with it during the first season and here we are. I guess they can claim that the island wasn't purgatory in Season 1, but whatever. Seems lime there's still a lot of unanswered questions about the island itself.
 
Fox is on Kimmel now saying that he believes that the show was a look at Jack's "test" to get into his ideal afterlife (heaven or what have you). He was led into that theory by Kimmel, but he definitely agreed with it without hesitation.Implication being that each person could have their own purgatory alternate timeline but that this series dealt with Jack's specifically.
Not buying it.
 
MAJOR PLOTLINES ON LOST THAT TURNED OUT TO BE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT1. "Walt is really special"2. "Sayid kills a bunch of people for Ben"3. "Mr. Eko"4. "People on the island can't have babies"5. "Faraday"6. "Eloise Hawking"7. "Widmore v. Ben"8. "NOT PENNY'S BOAT"9. "You're a candidate"10. "Jacob brought people to the island"
11. Numbers12. Dogan and the hippie @ the Temple
What do you mean "irrelevant"? Without all this stuff, there wouldn't be a show.
 
I said before the finale that I would judge the whole series based on this finale. I think that's what happened. It was good. I will probably rewatch bits and pieces, but I'm not in a huge hurry, and I may never go back through all of it. I don't feel cheated. I liked it. But it didn't live up to the hopes I'd had, either.

It was a good show. Sad to see it over.
:yawn:
 
I think it's funny that the producers/writers swore up and down that purgatory had nothing to do with it during the first season and here we are.
"Should we tell everybody what our show is about in season one and keep the message board nerds happy, or keep it a secret, make millions and entertain tons of people in the process?"
 
The quick dispatch of MIB is a little disappointing, but make sense if whole pt. was chars and their redemption/story.

Dharam/button/others/jacob/mib all become props in the big picture.

Again, each char moving through their epiphany was rewarding imo. Nice cap on good char devel.

 
Why do irrelevant storylines detract from your enjoyment of the show?Star Wars was all about Anakin's redemption, should we scour through episodes 4-6 for all the irrelevant crap in there (Han and Leia in the Asteriod/Creature for instance)? Or do we just accept it for what it is and enjoy it?
Exactly...the thought that "not penny's boat" was a broken plotline?how is that line a broken plot line?There were plenty of unanswered things...in the end...the story stood up and stood up well.
 
MAJOR PLOTLINES ON LOST THAT TURNED OUT TO BE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT1. "Walt is really special"2. "Sayid kills a bunch of people for Ben"3. "Mr. Eko"4. "People on the island can't have babies"5. "Faraday"6. "Eloise Hawking"7. "Widmore v. Ben"8. "NOT PENNY'S BOAT"9. "You're a candidate"10. "Jacob brought people to the island"
11. Numbers12. Dogan and the hippie @ the Temple
Ilana? Was she necesary?
DHARMAI think it's funny that the producers/writers swore up and down that purgatory had nothing to do with it during the first season and here we are. I guess they can claim that the island wasn't purgatory in Season 1, but whatever. Seems lime there's still a lot of unanswered questions about the island itself.
The Island never was purgatory.
 
I think it's funny that the producers/writers swore up and down that purgatory had nothing to do with it during the first season and here we are.
"Should we tell everybody what our show is about in season one and keep the message board nerds happy, or keep it a secret, make millions and entertain tons of people in the process?"
also, they specifically said that the island wasn't purgatory. If the flash sideways was purgatory, they technically weren't lying.
 
While technically the sideways world (pseudo purgatory) wasn't necessay for the island story itself, it helped bring them show back to what it was always really about ... The characters and their relationships.

 
I'm surprised I am one of the few frustrated people.

My whole issue is that this season seemed out of place. They answered the question of the sideways reality (That they introduced in this season in the first place!) I have no faith at all, that they had an end plan after watching this finale. I was okay that every question would not be answered, The walt stuff seemed important at the time but I am okay that it was not addressed, too much time had went by. They should have at least told the viewer what the Island actually was because it was hinted at throughout the series.

Every single TV show could potentially end in the way this finale did...Every character will be dead on a long enough timeline. Seeing them all reunited for a final scene where they go into the light together is sweet but still does not exist the million mysteries presented by a mystery show. The ending seemed like a real copout to me.

 
MAJOR PLOTLINES ON LOST THAT TURNED OUT TO BE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT1. "Walt is really special" - It seems like taller ghost walt got written out of the story, but he was the raison d-etat for the Michael storyline, and his redemption, if you can call it that. Michael went from a father who got separated from his son and whose son didn't care about him to a much closer relationship. But I agree that we got left hanging here somewhat. 2. "Sayid kills a bunch of people for Ben" - Everyone - including Ben - told Sayid what he was. His character's plot arc was learning that if you're a good person, and people tell you that you're a bad one, and you do bad things, you can still find redemption. Or something like that. 3. "Mr. Eko" - Left for non-show related reasons. 4. "People on the island can't have babies" - Depends on your interpretation of the island, but I think it makes sense that babies couldn't be born into purgatory, if that's what you think was going on. It makes sense that babies couldn't be conceived on a magical island so close to electromagnetism and evil, I guess. The nature of the island is still a bit of a mystery and I'm fine with this being part of the mythology. 5. "Faraday" - I don't get the time travel thing at all. 6. "Eloise Hawking" - She didn't want the cast members to move on, because she didn't want Farraday to move on. Because she killed him, and knew it, before raising him. In the alternate timeline, she didn't want to let him go. 7. "Widmore v. Ben" - We learned that Ben was being manipulated by the smoke monster, and we know that Jacob directly contacted Widmore at one point. The details follow along with this. 8. "NOT PENNY'S BOAT" - It seems like the smoke monster set up Ben to set up Michael to get the candidates onto the boat and blow them up. 9. "You're a candidate" - See 10.10. "Jacob brought people to the island" - I think this was left open for interpretation because it depends if you believe the island was purgatory, or a test, or a real island, or a magical place where you had to keep the light from going out. But in each of those scenarios, this seems answerable, so I feel fine with it being left open.
11. Numbers - I don't have a huge problem with this, since the remaining numbers were very important in the context of Hurley's life, as the guy who would eventually take over the island, and when he used them wrong, bad things happened. I don't have the slightest idea why they would have been carved into the hatch, though. If it had something to do with the computer put in place by the Dharma initiative, then how did those numbers come to be so important at that time? Why weren't 7 and 82 important in the 70s? 12. Dogan and the hippie @ the Temple - Those guys were part of the mythology of the island. Jacob had developed something over the centuries. We got a glimpse with Dogan, and learned something about the magical/healing power of water on the island.
 

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