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[sho nuff]

THought on the ash/cabin/loophole.

If smokie could not kill jacob...why would the ash be needed around his cabin?

Seems like more of a ploy to keep MIB in...than to protect Jacob (but why then can we see smokie at times anyway...how did he get out...when?). Or could jacob not get out if the ash was around it at the time?

 

[dancer]

...why could Ben kill Jacob and the Jacob group couldn't kill MIB? Is it the donkey wheel? And how would that even make sense?

Is it the donkey wheel / return that makes Ben special and able to do this, or the fact that he was healed by the Temple as a kid? And if the latter what could that mean for Sayid, assuming he was similarly healed?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I don't think it was a beetle. I think it was the bullet that he thought his MIB. From my understanding of that Cuse/Lindelof thing was that the foot was there, but before we saw the foot we saw The Barracks/New Otherton, so we know that the island "sunk" sometime after the DHARMA Initiative was on the island, and we should be using that as the timeframe we're working with.

Looked like a bullet to me too. It was bent like it had hit a metal plate.

Agree with this and the post you quoted.

 

[SuperJohn96]

I don't think it was a beetle. I think it was the bullet that he thought his MIB.

From my understanding of that Cuse/Lindelof thing was that the foot was there, but before we saw the foot we saw The Barracks/New Otherton, so we know that the island "sunk" sometime after the DHARMA Initiative was on the island, and we should be using that as the timeframe we're working with.

Looked like a bullet to me too. It was bent like it had hit a metal plate.

Agree with this and the post you quoted.

Looks like it was a bullet.LOSTPEDIA:

Furthermore, the entity seems to be invulnerable to conventional weapons in his current form; Bram picks up a bullet fired at the entity and finds it to be bent or damaged, caused by its deflection from the entity upon contact.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob%27s_nemesis

 

[SuperJohn96]

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob%27s_nemesis

Hey Seaman Ropes...check out "Also Known As" on the far right...

http://i46.tinypic.com/9fqt5v.jpg

 

[Sea Ropes]

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob%27s_nemesis

Hey Seaman Ropes...check out "Also Known As" on the far right...

http://i46.tinypic.com/9fqt5v.jpg

YES!

 

[SuperJohn96]

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob%27s_nemesis

Hey Seaman Ropes...check out "Also Known As" on the far right...

http://i46.tinypic.com/9fqt5v.jpg

YES!

I just wonder how long Scott Norwood's Lostpedia page will last.

 

[harryhood]

I like Sack's take however I think it is not a coincidence that Dr. C. Shepard was seen different times in different clothing. I think the white shoes("white rabbit") Dr. Shepard was Jacob. The darkly clothed Shepard that led claire to abandon Aaron was not wearing no suit, and dark(black) colors, no white shoes were seen either. I think that manifestation was smokey.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob%27s_nemesis

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http://i46.tinypic.com/9fqt5v.jpg

That's pretty funny. Nicely done.

 

[Sundays Rule]

Side by side comparison of the 815 flights

 

[iamsmilin]

For the love of Jacob, can we PLEASE agree on one name for MIB/Not-Locke/Smokey/Norwood? It's getting confusing just reading half the stuff that is posted.

/rant

 

[SuperJohn96]

For the love of Jacob, can we PLEASE agree on one name for MIB/Not-Locke/Smokey/Norwood? It's getting confusing just reading half the stuff that is posted. /rant

His first titled name was Jacob's Nemesis...so that or Nemisis is my vote.That or SN for Scott Norwood.

 

[Ralph Furley]

Some good posting in here.

Quick thought about the muddied water in the temple and the fire pit.

Does anyone think there is a relationship? Why did the MIB, kick Jacob into the firepit? He also kicked one of the bodyguards in as well.

I wonder if the waters purity in the temple is being affected by the bodies being burned???

Is there a greater meaning significance, ie fire/satan, water/jesus.

There is a lot of stuff in here so apologizes if this has been discussed.

 

[kupcho1]

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob%27s_nemesis

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http://i46.tinypic.com/9fqt5v.jpg

That's pretty funny. Nicely done.

 

[That Little Voice]

I'd like to show Cindy the air waitress MY flash-sideways.

She's the HughesNet chick Kimberly Joseph

Wow.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob%27s_nemesis

Hey Seaman Ropes...check out "Also Known As" on the far right...

http://i46.tinypic.com/9fqt5v.jpg

YES!

 

[SuperJohn96]

Episode listings from IMDB.com...are they repeating every previous episode at 8 pm before the new 9 pm showings?

Season 6

Season 6, Episode 1: LA X: Part 1

Original Air Date—2 February 2010

Flight 815 is shown successfully landing in Los Angeles with no crash on the island, but the survivors are simultaneously shown still on the island after Juliet detonates the bomb.

Season 6, Episode 2: LA X: Part 2

Original Air Date—2 February 2010

Next US airings:

Tue. Feb. 9 8:00 PM ABC

Season 6, Episode 3: What Kate Does

Original Air Date—9 February 2010

Next US airings:

Tue. Feb. 9 9:00 PM ABC

Tue. Feb. 16 8:00 PM ABC

The rest...

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Original Air Date—16 February 2010

Season 6, Episode 5: Lighthouse

Original Air Date—23 February 2010

Season 6, Episode 6: Sundown

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Season 6, Episode 7: Dr. Linus

Original Air Date—2010

Season 6, Episode 8: Recon

Original Air Date—3 March 2010

Season 6, Episode 9: Ab Aeterno

Original Air Date—April 2010

Season 6, Episode 10: Episode #6.10

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Season 6, Episode 12: Everybody Loves Hugo

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/episodes#season-6

 

[mozzy84]

did the island sink and come back up before? how did the blackrock get in the middle of the jungle anyways?

 

[Mjolnirs]

Cuse and Lindelof were on Kimmel on Tuesday night, so I PVR'd it and watched it last night. I haven't seen anyone write anything on it, so I'll give a brief recap.They generally were answering questions honestly. Kimmel played a bit of a game of "coincidence or planned" with them, here's what I remember.Airdate of Groundhog Day - DEFINITELY plannedThere was some other banter and Kimmel asked a couple point-blank questions.Is MIB possessing Locke's body? Stupid question IMO, since we saw Locke's corpse. They answered "no" but said we saw that "Locke" IS the Smoke Monster - People in the audience who hadn't watched the show had an audible reaction and Lindelof and Cuse both laugh, say "sorry" and "you came here, what did you expect?"Then Kimmel asked "Is Jacob now in Sayid's body?" - They kind of dodged this saying "Something is in Sayid's body" Very interesting, IMO.

I watched this as well. I think on the Groundhog question they settled on coincidence.The spoiler for the audience was very funny.On the final question they actually told Kimmel that his Jacob/Sayid theory was interesting and he should pay close attention to the next few episodes.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

did the island sink and come back up before? how did the blackrock get in the middle of the jungle anyways?

Hmmm. That's a damn good question.

 

[mozzy84]

did the island sink and come back up before? how did the blackrock get in the middle of the jungle anyways?

Hmmm. That's a damn good question.

maybe that big tall statue was a marker, when it would sink the statues head would be popping out.

 

[packersfan]

So it would appear that Sayid, like Locke, is dead. Dead is dead on this show as the producers have long insisted.

RIP Brave Soldier. Only Jack Bauer was more fierce.

 

[Sack-Religious]

So it would appear that Sayid, like Locke, is dead. Dead is dead on this show as the producers have long insisted. RIP Brave Soldier. Only Jack Bauer was more fierce.

The redeeming quality of this is that if Locke, who we now know as Smokey/Locke came back badass, NewSayid may be like Jack Bauer and Chuck Norris having a Middle Eastern lovechild.

 

[Sack-Religious]

did the island sink and come back up before? how did the blackrock get in the middle of the jungle anyways?

How it got there is not yet determined, but from last season's finale, the Black Rock appeared to be approaching the island when it wasn't under the water.

 

[Sea Ropes]

For the love of Jacob, can we PLEASE agree on one name for MIB/Not-Locke/Smokey/Norwood? It's getting confusing just reading half the stuff that is posted. /rant

His first titled name was Jacob's Nemesis...so that or Nemisis is my vote.That or SN for Scott Norwood.

"Norwood.":judge:

 

[iamsmilin]

For the love of Jacob, can we PLEASE agree on one name for MIB/Not-Locke/Smokey/Norwood? It's getting confusing just reading half the stuff that is posted. /rant

His first titled name was Jacob's Nemesis...so that or Nemisis is my vote.That or SN for Scott Norwood.

"Norwood.":judge:

I kinda like MIB-S (Smokey).

 

[The Dude]

Anyone in this thread that has been reading all the threads knows I was big on the whole apparitions/appearances as being smokey/island/whatever. The one thing I always wondered about was why sometimes it seemed so malevolent (Yemi's death) and other times so helpful like Jack's dad for the water. Sometimes it seemed at odds with itself and now that we have much more of the Jacob/MIB story line it makes so much more sense.

I'm not sure it makes more sense unless you are assuming smokey has been under the control of each Jacob and Nemesis (and I agree MIB is dumb)

 

[Twilight]

I like Sack's take however I think it is not a coincidence that Dr. C. Shepard was seen different times in different clothing. I think the white shoes("white rabbit") Dr. Shepard was Jacob. The darkly clothed Shepard that led claire to abandon Aaron was not wearing no suit, and dark(black) colors, no white shoes were seen either. I think that manifestation was smokey.

I think that's a really good call. I like Sack's take as well, but I haven't been able to buy that Christian was always a bad guy. Especially on my mind was this
, which was declared Canon by the producers. Jack's seems too important for the good side to be that important to Smokey. But, especially with them focusing on Christians' white shoes in this short, this makes a lot of sense.Add in the scene where Jack puts on his dad's dark dress shoes onto Locke's body, it turns into an important reminder that Christian wearing white shoes isn't normal.

 

[Twilight]

I like Sack's take however I think it is not a coincidence that Dr. C. Shepard was seen different times in different clothing. I think the white shoes("white rabbit") Dr. Shepard was Jacob. The darkly clothed Shepard that led claire to abandon Aaron was not wearing no suit, and dark(black) colors, no white shoes were seen either. I think that manifestation was smokey.

I think that's a really good call. I like Sack's take as well, but I haven't been able to buy that Christian was always a bad guy. Especially on my mind was this

I just rewatched the scene where Christian meets Locke in the Donkey Wheel Cave, which is a scene we can be pretty sure that is Smokey. He's wearing a regular dark shirt (not a dress shirt or suit like the Webisode), and he was wearing dark shoes.

 

[Sea Ropes]

For the love of Jacob, can we PLEASE agree on one name for MIB/Not-Locke/Smokey/Norwood? It's getting confusing just reading half the stuff that is posted. /rant

His first titled name was Jacob's Nemesis...so that or Nemisis is my vote.That or SN for Scott Norwood.

"Norwood.":judge:

I kinda like MIB-S (Smokey).

But...it's Scott Norwood. I don't think we should make up nicknames in lieu of using his true and actual name.

 

[harryhood]

I like Sack's take however I think it is not a coincidence that Dr. C. Shepard was seen different times in different clothing. I think the white shoes("white rabbit") Dr. Shepard was Jacob. The darkly clothed Shepard that led claire to abandon Aaron was not wearing no suit, and dark(black) colors, no white shoes were seen either. I think that manifestation was smokey.

I think that's a really good call. I like Sack's take as well, but I haven't been able to buy that Christian was always a bad guy. Especially on my mind was this

Lostpedia also touches on two separate visits.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Eko%27s_dream

I believe the first Yemi visit, he provided assistance. The second visit, killed Eko.

 

[stbugs]

We'll just have to disagree for now. I understand the Miles thing, but how do we know that Hurley seeing dead people isn't part of the whole MIB/Jacob process. Miles talked to dead people his whole life. Hurly only saw dead people after getting off the island and the dead people got him back to the island. Those are completely different scenarios. After Charlie is dead, why get Hurley back to the island?Also, Dave played basketball and was Hurley's buddy when he was committed. Dave tried to get Hurley to jump off a cliff on the island and if MIB was Dave, he could have easily gotten the image of Dave since we know he reads minds. Hurley seems more important now to Jacob, so MIB trying to get Hurley to jump off a cliff fits more than Hurley conjuring him up to jump off the cliff.One last thing, do we know MIB can't project off the island? I thought he said he wanted to go home and as mentioned above, home may be the temple. Also, couldn't it have been Jacob trying to get Jack back since Jacob tried to get Hurley back and both were on the list that Hurley had?IMHO, I tend to think that any type of vision/dream/apparation is either driven by MIB or Jacob rather than being some other explanation since we have seen MIB do it already.

Why was Hurley in the insane asylum prior to coming to the island?

Not entirely sure. I think when he was working at Mr. Cluck's/right before the scene where he saw the lottery numbers, his mom kind of mentioned it. Seemed like he had a breakdown when he was younger, but other than the scenes in the asylum, he has always appeared "fine" since then.I'll be honest that I sure wasn't sure about Dave being Hurley's imagination or being an island vision. After seeing Jacob appearing to Hurley multiple times now with a purpose for him, definitely makes me think it was probably smokey trying to get Hurley to jump to his death.Just in case people forget and hopefully I have it perfectly correct, Dave tried to convince Hurley that the island was all one big dream and that he should jump off a cliff to wake up from the dream.

 

[kaa]

THought on the ash/cabin/loophole.If smokie could not kill jacob...why would the ash be needed around his cabin?Seems like more of a ploy to keep MIB in...than to protect Jacob (but why then can we see smokie at times anyway...how did he get out...when?). Or could jacob not get out if the ash was around it at the time?

Well there could be two smoke monsters, and one was trapped in the cabin.

 

[stbugs]

So it would appear that Sayid, like Locke, is dead. Dead is dead on this show as the producers have long insisted. RIP Brave Soldier. Only Jack Bauer was more fierce.

I am not sure we can jump to Sayid having really died. I kind of agree, but seeing as that was supposed to be magic healing water, I don't think we can say that Sayid didn't just finally get healed. Heck, he might have been alive, but they mistakingly thought his was dead and it took a while for him to become conscious. Anyway, I think that Cuse/Lindelof could easily be trying to mislead us into thinking Sayid is now Jacob since we know smokey is Locke.Until we see how Sayid actually acts, I don't think we can know for sure. With smokey/Locke, it was fairly obvious that he wasn't acting like the real Locke. I posted that he seemed different and while I thought it could have been a rebirth, it should have been smack over the head obvious that smokey/Locke manipulating Ben was not even remotely what real Locke would have been able to do.

 

[stbugs]

I like Sack's take however I think it is not a coincidence that Dr. C. Shepard was seen different times in different clothing. I think the white shoes("white rabbit") Dr. Shepard was Jacob. The darkly clothed Shepard that led claire to abandon Aaron was not wearing no suit, and dark(black) colors, no white shoes were seen either. I think that manifestation was smokey.

I think that's a really good call. I like Sack's take as well, but I haven't been able to buy that Christian was always a bad guy. Especially on my mind was this

While I can understand the Christian thing, the Yemi two different visits to me still seem both like smokey. Yemi and Anna in the first vision both tell him to help Locke (just like Alex said to Ben) and after Eko helped Locke he may have been expendable. With smokey's speech to Jacob when the Black Rock was coming to the island, his response to Eko is not entirely unexpected. Smokey said to Jacob that people are always the same so Eko's response to him was more of the same, so he killed him.

 

[biggamer3]

HAHA this is freaking hilarious, Lost mashup with Avatar

 

[cahut13]

The producers on Jimmy Kimmel said that john locke is not the MIB so this episode makes no sense

 

[ScottNorwood]

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob%27s_nemesis

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http://i46.tinypic.com/9fqt5v.jpg

YES!

I just wonder how long Scott Norwood's Lostpedia page will last.

 

[SuperJohn96]

The producers on Jimmy Kimmel said that john locke is not the MIB so this episode makes no sense

Well, maybe there is a trinity of factions involved then.1. Jacob2. MIB3. Scott Norwood (aka Smokey, aka Evil Locke)

 

[SuperJohn96]

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob%27s_nemesis

Hey Seaman Ropes...check out "Also Known As" on the far right...

http://i46.tinypic.com/9fqt5v.jpg

YES!

I just wonder how long Scott Norwood's Lostpedia page will last.

Huh...not only did they take out your name, they changed the main name from Jacob's Nemesis to The Man In Black.

 

[Sack-Religious]

The producers on Jimmy Kimmel said that john locke is not the MIB so this episode makes no sense

Not quite. The producers said MIB wasn't possessing Locke's body. We know this is the truth because Locke's corpse is on the island. Rather than possessing Locke's body, MIB has manifested himself as Locke.

 

[Sack-Religious]

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob%27s_nemesis

Hey Seaman Ropes...check out "Also Known As" on the far right...

http://i46.tinypic.com/9fqt5v.jpg

YES!

I just wonder how long Scott Norwood's Lostpedia page will last.

Huh...not only did they take out your name, they changed the main name from Jacob's Nemesis to The Man In Black.

I'm surprised at how long it lasted.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Yea I don't know if it's a parallel universe or not, but it does seem obvious that they are going to show both sides of the story. What would happen on the island and what happens if they didn't crash. I don't think the two sides will ever meet, they are just going to present it to show that things wouldn't always be better if the crash didn't happen.

Or something. ####, I don't know.

I wouldn't be surprised if things happen back in LA that result in the characters being in a similar place to where they were on the island.Charlie swallowing the drugs and telling Jack he was supposed to die, when the same theme revolved around how he did die on the island... Maybe he survives a couple of near death experiences and eventually is killed.

Jack fixes Locke's spine and he walks again.

Something happens to Claire in the Taxi with Kate and Kate ends up raising Aaron...

I'm officially on board with this "you can't change destiny" theory.Also, a few thoughts:

The kiss b/w Sawyer/Juliette happened in 2007, when Sawyer still felt for Kate. The kiss (presumably Juliette didn't feel anything) proved that "it worked". However the it wasn't back to LAX, just back to present time on the island.

Island sunk when Ben turned the donkey wheel, not the hydrogen bomb

 

[Sea Ropes]

I'm surprised at how long it lasted.

We'll always have UD.

 

[stbugs]

The producers on Jimmy Kimmel said that john locke is not the MIB so this episode makes no sense

Well, maybe there is a trinity of factions involved then.1. Jacob2. MIB3. Scott Norwood (aka Smokey, aka Evil Locke)

As Sack mentioned above, they played with their words. They said he wasn't posessing him, i.e. real Locke's dead body has been in the coffin the whole time. MIB was appearing as Locke, so technically they were correct. Think of MIB/Smokey as Yemi. He appeared to Eko and Locke as Yemi was before he died. If he posessed Yemi, then he would have looked like a moldy old corpse.That is another reason why I still think Sayid, real Sayid, is alive, but I am not sure until we see how he acts. Maybe Jacob posesses bodies, no idea, but MIB/Smokey does not.

 

[dickey moe]

Lots of good stuff here.When Smokie Locke says he wants to go home, first thing I thought of was Devil trying to re-enter heaven.

I got this vibe as well.

 

[Sea Ropes]

Lots of good stuff here.When Smokie Locke says he wants to go home, first thing I thought of was Devil trying to re-enter heaven.

I got this vibe as well.

Agreed, although my take on it was that it probably wasn't THE devil, but that they're angels on each side battling it out.

 

[Sack-Religious]

I'm surprised at how long it lasted.

We'll always have UD.

awesome.

 

[Eviloutsider]

Don't know, but was the book that Desmond was reading the book he was saving?

Also, Miles, after Kate woke up, was acting really weird or was acting really poorly. Something odd going on...

 

[biggamer3]

A bit late to the party, can someone explain the whole Norwood/Lost thing to me