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*** Official Lost Season 6 *** (2 Viewers)

They are replaying the last episode now. during the episode there are facts and interesting tidbits scrolling on the bottom of the screen.

 
I don't think this has been mentioned but does anyone think there is any significance to the fact that Ben killed both Locke and Jacob? Ben was healed by the waters after Sayid shot him so maybe that somehow makes Ben and Jacob connected. I'm just spitballing - most likely it holds no bigger meaning.

 
My DVR did not start recording on time. I came into it with Sayid being shocked by the oriental guy at the temple.

What happened at the beginning?

 
AAABatteries said:
I don't think this has been mentioned but does anyone think there is any significance to the fact that Ben killed both Locke and Jacob? Ben was healed by the waters after Sayid shot him so maybe that somehow makes Ben and Jacob connected. I'm just spitballing - most likely it holds no bigger meaning.
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when they brought ben to the temple to heal him once he had been shot, richard said he would never be the same again. so maybe whatever he was referring to connects him and jacob.
 
Weapon of Mass Instruction said:
1. Where have the temple/Japanese dude and his folks been?

2. Is Jacob inhabiting Sayid now...or is it really Sayid? If not...then who/where is Jacob?

3. Is Jacob/MIB good vs evil...evil vs. good...or something else?

4. What did Japanese dude mean when he said the spring "wasn't right"? How about when he said that if Sayid died that they'd all be in trouble?

If Sayid did die and the MIB inhabited his body then wouldn't that mean that the temple is in trouble? Sayid made reference to what would happen if he died earlier in the episode and remarked about torturing soo many people he cannot be helped.

5. Does Rose still have cancer?

6. What are the rules about who can/is allowed to hurt/kill Jacob or MIB?

7. Jacob told MIB "they are coming". Who?

8. Where in the world is Widmore and how is he involved in all of this?
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Mjolnirs said:
My DVR did not start recording on time. I came into it with Sayid being shocked by the oriental guy at the temple.What happened at the beginning?
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mostly just sawyer leaving the temple in the midst of a brawl, along with kate leaving the airport and sharing a cab with claire in the flash-sideways stuff...
 
First three episodes really haven't been that great, tonight in particular. I'm sure the rest of the season will be better, but tonight sucked out loud.

 
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One of the comments on the Blacklight Map door (in the Hatch) said "the remedy is worse than the disease".

 
harryhood said:
It seems like they are showing you two versions of everyone. The Jack that landed in LAX(Looked to me like he was expecting the plane to break away during the turbulence scene), and the Jack that is on the island trying to save everyone. They could ultimately be showing us two stories at the same time, that both end in the same results, just taking different paths to get to Jacobs, oft mentioned, "end" point.Maybe we are just witnessing two versions of "progress". Maybe that's why Charlie needed to die in the airplane, because he died on the island. Jack almost seemed shocked to see Desmond, like that was the tip where he knew the Island didnt exist. What I found odd was that it almost seemed like Jack knew the people around him(maybe I was reading to much into it) but they didnt know him...maybe he was testing Desmond by asking if they knew each other?Lots of questions for sure but I think it would be top notch if the writers could logically bring both stories they are telling(showing us in S6) us to the same "end" point in the finale.
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Second week in a row I took the same thing from the episode, this time with Kate. It sure seemed like she was shocked when she heard Aarons name. Also I don't even remember Kate and Claire interacting on the plane last episode. I found it a little strange she yelled out "She came all the way from Australia" when it appeared the first time we saw Kate and Claire together was when Kate jumped in the cab. I suppose the accent could be why Kate said it, but like the Jack-Desmond interaction last week, it just seemed like Kate knew who Claire was. Looks like on island Claire/Locke/Sayid beings could all be up to no good.
 
harryhood said:
harryhood said:
It seems like they are showing you two versions of everyone. The Jack that landed in LAX(Looked to me like he was expecting the plane to break away during the turbulence scene), and the Jack that is on the island trying to save everyone. They could ultimately be showing us two stories at the same time, that both end in the same results, just taking different paths to get to Jacobs, oft mentioned, "end" point.

Maybe we are just witnessing two versions of "progress". Maybe that's why Charlie needed to die in the airplane, because he died on the island. Jack almost seemed shocked to see Desmond, like that was the tip where he knew the Island didnt exist. What I found odd was that it almost seemed like Jack knew the people around him(maybe I was reading to much into it) but they didnt know him...maybe he was testing Desmond by asking if they knew each other?

Lots of questions for sure but I think it would be top notch if the writers could logically bring both stories they are telling(showing us in S6) us to the same "end" point in the finale.
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Second week in a row I took the same thing from the episode, this time with Kate. It sure seemed like she was shocked when she heard Aarons name. Also I don't even remember Kate and Claire interacting on the plane last episode. I found it a little strange she yelled out "She came all the way from Australia" when it appeared the first time we saw Kate and Claire together was when Kate jumped in the cab. I suppose the accent could be why Kate said it, but like the Jack-Desmond interaction last week, it just seemed like Kate knew who Claire was.
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They were just on a flight from Australia to L.A. together - granted I don't remember them specifically showing the two of them seeing each other or interacting but I think it's safe to assume that she knew that from the flight and/or they discussed it.
 
So let's see - Sayid is shot by Ben's dad, he's then transported to the place where they are drilling and then he jumps through time. Jacob shows up and tells Hurley to take him to the temple and they'll save him. They get him there and they put him in the water. Eventually he "wakes up". So, at what point did he become infected? Did the waters infect him and if so, did the Oriental guy get infected when he cut his hand and put in the water? Or did Jacob's spirit somehow infect Sayid?

I'm beginning to wonder if maybe both Jacob and MIB are being kept out of the temple by that powder. Maybe they are both the same type of being and it has the same affect on both.

 
AAABatteries said:
So let's see - Sayid is shot by Ben's dad, he's then transported to the place where they are drilling and then he jumps through time. Jacob shows up and tells Hurley to take him to the temple and they'll save him. They get him there and they put him in the water. Eventually he "wakes up". So, at what point did he become infected? Did the waters infect him and if so, did the Oriental guy get infected when he cut his hand and put in the water? Or did Jacob's spirit somehow infect Sayid?I'm beginning to wonder if maybe both Jacob and MIB are being kept out of the temple by that powder. Maybe they are both the same type of being and it has the same affect on both.
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Who knows at this point.I dont know why we assume that Jacob is necesarily the good guy and the MIB the bad one anyway. We don't know anything about those two.From where this show is heading, it seems like almost everyone has the capacity to be both good and bad and maybe some people have been both at some point in their lives. I don't know what that means in the end, I just hope its not a sappy ending.
 
So we are to assume Sayid did die and his body has been claimed. By whom though? Speculation has been Jacob but apparently "Tolkien" felt the need to poison Sayid to get rid of the infection. If he wanted to kill whoever claimed Sayid body, that could mean either A) It's not Jacob or B) Jacob is the bad guy.

I'm basing that also on the fact that the guys in the jungle told Jin and Kate that they should get back to the temple to be protected from Smokey.

Also, HOW did Sayid get infected? Was it the water. Was it because it didn't save him?

 
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Asian guy tells Jack (paraphrasing), "the same thing (darkness) happened to your sister (Claire)."

Rousseau & Claire both pregnant & gave birth on the island. Both were separated from their babies, Alex & Aaron.

Rousseau lives in isolation, sets traps around the island. Rousseau is killed.

Now, we see Claire, appearantly in isolation, show up. Jin & Kate encounter traps in the jungle. Did Claire set them, & how did she come across her new survival skills?

So, in essence, is Claire the new Danielle Rousseau? MIB took the form of Locke... maybe the island just needs new bodies to fill familiar roles whenever things seem to change (people leave, die, etc.)

Just throwing darts here.

ETA: Also, in the "flash sideways/alternate timeline," Claire does not give up Aaron to the adoptors. If she keeps him, he won't be "raised by another."

 
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Like others...I keep getting the feeling we won't know til much later who the good guys actually are and who the bad guys really are.

 
Tusken Raider said:
Asian guy tells Jack (paraphrasing), "the same thing (darkness) happened to your sister (Claire)."Rousseau & Claire both pregnant & gave birth on the island. Both were separated from their babies, Alex & Aaron.Rousseau lives in isolation, sets traps around the island. Rousseau is killed.Now, we see Claire, appearantly in isolation, show up. Jin & Kate encounter traps in the jungle. Did Claire set them, & how did she come across her new survival skills?So, in essence, is Claire the new Danielle Rousseau? MIB took the form of Locke... maybe the island just needs new bodies to fill familiar roles whenever things seem to change (people leave, die, etc.) Just throwing darts here.ETA: Also, in the "flash sideways/alternate timeline," Claire does not give up Aaron to the adoptors. If she keeps him, he won't be "raised by another."
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Would go with the next episodes title.
 
I'm with the "disappointed" crowd. There were about 3 minutes of interesting.

I still don't think the post-landing stories are going to be very interesting unless they are building towards something. There's no evidence of that yet.

Also, is this going to lead to Claire raising the child as her own? And is that the resolution to the whole Aaron of the Great Evil storyline? I'm hoping we get something better than that.

 
I'm sure they are building to something but I think my problem is I don't want them to build. I want them to start closing. What did we actually find out tonight? That Claire was alive on the island? That wasn't one of the real mysteries I wanted to be answered. Also adding Mr. Miyagi and 4eyes is odd. They seem to be a focal point of the first three episodes but we have no emotional attachment to the characters. It just seems odd to add them so late.

 
Sleeping King said:
I'm sure they are building to something but I think my problem is I don't want them to build. I want them to start closing. What did we actually find out tonight? That Claire was alive on the island? That wasn't one of the real mysteries I wanted to be answered. Also adding Mr. Miyagi and 4eyes is odd. They seem to be a focal point of the first three episodes but we have no emotional attachment to the characters. It just seems odd to add them so late.
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I agree and I've been very hesitant to question the writers as I've always thought we would eventually get more answers. We are getting some but I hope this season isn't spent on showing these guys in L.A. and what happens to them. I don't care about that. My fear is that this isn't just "look, there are two timelines" but rather "let's see how there lives play out if the crash never happens". If they spend time on each character and how things were different for them in L.A. then it's going to be a slow burn until about the last 5 episodes.
 
I suspect the alternate timeline is going to show Jacob's plan to "fix" things after his death. I think he knew what MIB was doing and he put counter plans in place in the event that Ben chose to kill him.

As Ben was stabbing him, he knew that the bomb was about to go off in the past and fix things so that he wouldn't die.

It appears as though Jacob is very interested in choice, so instead of preventing MIBs plans, he let them play out to see what the players would choose to do.

 
My wife and I burst out laughing when we saw Mac from It's Always Sunny...

Awful episode. I am glad my child will grow up in a world without this wretched show.

(Samurai playing with baseball)

Jack: "What's that?"

Samurai: "It's a baseball."
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So Samurai figures out that Sayid is "infected", and must be dealt with accordingly. He tells Jack to give Sayid the pill, without explaining to him what it is. If Samurai knows that Jack knows that he's put Sayid through the wringer, how can he expect him to just give him the pill without explanation? And of course, he doesn't, and they have to go through the whole rigamorale of Jack talking to Sayid, Jack trying to take it himself, Samurai finally explaining that he's infected (which isn't that hard to explain, really), and then dropping the Claire bomb on him. Why didn't Samurai just explain all of this up front? You kind of have to, no?Ridiculous.

ETA: Why doesn't anyone explain why they're being kept in the Temple, and what (Norwood, presumably) is being kept out? Wouldn't that take like 5 seconds? "Yeah, there's this crazy ####### black smoke thing that tries to wreck our ####. Maybe you've seen it before. We use this black powder to keep him at bay. It's probably best that you stay in here." One of the fatal flaws of this show, IMO, is that people don't communicate with each other in a realistic manner. Shoddy writing, IMO.

And don't get me started on the Claire ex machina ending at the end. C'mon.

 
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I wasn't all that impressed either. To be honest, I think the Temple is cheesy looking and i've had just about enough of it. Give me the jungle or the beach anyday. The only cool thing I really enjoyed was the Bizarro Lost world where Ethan is a baby doctor treating Claire, which is an interesting parallel to when he abducted her and brought her to the medical station to run tests. Watch Ben turn out to be a Priest or something and Richard turn out to be a hairdresser.

Other than that, no real headway is made here, hope it picks up next week.

 
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Tusken Raider said:
Asian guy tells Jack (paraphrasing), "the same thing (darkness) happened to your sister (Claire)."Rousseau & Claire both pregnant & gave birth on the island. Both were separated from their babies, Alex & Aaron.Rousseau lives in isolation, sets traps around the island. Rousseau is killed.Now, we see Claire, appearantly in isolation, show up. Jin & Kate encounter traps in the jungle. Did Claire set them, & how did she come across her new survival skills?So, in essence, is Claire the new Danielle Rousseau? MIB took the form of Locke... maybe the island just needs new bodies to fill familiar roles whenever things seem to change (people leave, die, etc.) Just throwing darts here.ETA: Also, in the "flash sideways/alternate timeline," Claire does not give up Aaron to the adoptors. If she keeps him, he won't be "raised by another."
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I was going to post basically the same thing. Add this on to Charlie saying "I was supposed to die" and it seems like the universe is still "course-correcting."
 
Sundays Rule said:
The only cool thing I really enjoyed was the Bizarro Lost world where Ethan is a baby doctor treating Claire, which is an interesting parallel to when he abducted her and brought her to the medical station to run tests. Watch Ben turn out to be a Priest or something and Richard turn out to be a hairdresser.Other than that, no real headway is made here, hope it picks up next week.
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Ethan was a doctor with The Others, a surgeon, IIRC. He helped recruit Juliet to the island saying he was an admirirer of her work and he also participated in the kidnapping of baby Alex when he was younger. Another interesting parallel.
 
Seaman Ropes said:
My wife and I burst out laughing when we saw Mac from It's Always Sunny...

Awful episode. I am glad my child will grow up in a world without this wretched show.

(Samurai playing with baseball)

Jack: "What's that?"

Samurai: "It's a baseball."
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So Samurai figures out that Sayid is "infected", and must be dealt with accordingly. He tells Jack to give Sayid the pill, without explaining to him what it is. If Samurai knows that Jack knows that he's put Sayid through the wringer, how can he expect him to just give him the pill without explanation? And of course, he doesn't, and they have to go through the whole rigamorale of Jack talking to Sayid, Jack trying to take it himself, Samurai finally explaining that he's infected (which isn't that hard to explain, really), and then dropping the Claire bomb on him. Why didn't Samurai just explain all of this up front? You kind of have to, no?Ridiculous.

ETA: Why doesn't anyone explain why they're being kept in the Temple, and what (Norwood, presumably) is being kept out? Wouldn't that take like 5 seconds? "Yeah, there's this crazy ####### black smoke thing that tries to wreck our ####. Maybe you've seen it before. We use this black powder to keep him at bay. It's probably best that you stay in here." One of the fatal flaws of this show, IMO, is that people don't communicate with each other in a realistic manner. Shoddy writing, IMO.

And don't get me started on the Claire ex machina ending at the end. C'mon.
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I agree with you on the shoddy writing. Was thinking last night that why does everything have to be such a ####ing secret? Just tell them what's going on. I like the show, but the flash sideways thing seems to be going nowhere and I'm just not into it. I don't know why they felt like they had to introduce something else. There were so many other interesting stories they could be telling.

 
Agree with a lot of you. Not liking how this season is going so far.

Last night was one of the worst episodes in the shows history.

 
I don't think it's been mentioned yet, but when the temple people were taking Sayid out of the water, he had his arms spread open a la Jesus after the crucifixion (according to illustrations....I wasn't a witness)

 
Neither Claire nor Kate said anything when Ethan busted out "You're 32 weeks and dilated 3 centimeters". Weird how he knew that, since they just walked in off the street after flying from Australia.

 
Seaman Ropes said:
My wife and I burst out laughing when we saw Mac from It's Always Sunny...

Awful episode. I am glad my child will grow up in a world without this wretched show.

(Samurai playing with baseball)

Jack: "What's that?"

Samurai: "It's a baseball."
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So Samurai figures out that Sayid is "infected", and must be dealt with accordingly. He tells Jack to give Sayid the pill, without explaining to him what it is. If Samurai knows that Jack knows that he's put Sayid through the wringer, how can he expect him to just give him the pill without explanation? And of course, he doesn't, and they have to go through the whole rigamorale of Jack talking to Sayid, Jack trying to take it himself, Samurai finally explaining that he's infected (which isn't that hard to explain, really), and then dropping the Claire bomb on him. Why didn't Samurai just explain all of this up front? You kind of have to, no?Ridiculous.

ETA: Why doesn't anyone explain why they're being kept in the Temple, and what (Norwood, presumably) is being kept out? Wouldn't that take like 5 seconds? "Yeah, there's this crazy ####### black smoke thing that tries to wreck our ####. Maybe you've seen it before. We use this black powder to keep him at bay. It's probably best that you stay in here." One of the fatal flaws of this show, IMO, is that people don't communicate with each other in a realistic manner. Shoddy writing, IMO.

And don't get me started on the Claire ex machina ending at the end. C'mon.
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THIS. :( They have the ninja and the hippie being way too annoyingly and pointlessly secretive. It's completely ridiculous and now how people would communicate in that scenario.

Anyway though, quick thought on the reasoning: If the writers had those characters explain things better and communicate properly, then Jack ABSOLUTELY gives Sayid the pill because he's fully informed and on board now. BUT, the writers didn't want Jack to give Sayid the pill because it probably turns out that he actually isn't "infected" and it'll be some great turn of fate that Jack decided to not listen to the ninja and the hippie since if he'd given Sayid the pill it would've killed him. So they have the ninja and hippie be all secretive and have Jack be all defiant and there you go, problem solved.

 
I didn't hate last nights as much as some of you, but I agree that the Others are frustrating.

But that's been the problem since they were first introduced to the series. They are a mysterious, casually brutal group of people with completely unknown motivations. Even now 100 episodes in we have no idea why they are doing anything. We've got a lot of peripheral answers about the island, about the "gods" of the island, but we still have no idea about the Others place in the scheme of things, and why they are so quick to attack and kill strangers. They'd rather play mind games rather than explain anything, which also doesn't make sense with the insular nature of the island as well. They are still just cutout villians, jackasses for jackasses sake.

Even last night's episode. Why have Jack poison Sayid? They have never had any problem with just killing anyone they don't like out of hand. Why the sophistry? This kind of mysterious enemies worked OK back in season 2. But too much light has been shed on the rest of the show to make this anything but annoying.

 
Not that I'm arguing against any of you but I'd be curious if you went back through all the LOST threads and looked at the responses after the 2nd or 3rd episodes and see what the responses were. I'd be willing to bet they would mirror what's being posted now about last nights episode. And true to form, every year, the writers reveal they have a purpose for doing what they are doing and bring it all together in the end with incredible wtf moments.

My point? Sit back, enjoy the show and quick analyzing it to death. I gave up on that after season 3 or 4 and it's been a lot more enjoyable.

 
beer 30 said:
Not that I'm arguing against any of you but I'd be curious if you went back through all the LOST threads and looked at the responses after the 2nd or 3rd episodes and see what the responses were. I'd be willing to bet they would mirror what's being posted now about last nights episode. And true to form, every year, the writers reveal they have a purpose for doing what they are doing and bring it all together in the end with incredible wtf moments.My point? Sit back, enjoy the show and quick analyzing it to death. I gave up on that after season 3 or 4 and it's been a lot more enjoyable.
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:lmao: Yep no way these writers don't bring this all together at the end and blow the world away with this series.
 
beer 30 said:
Not that I'm arguing against any of you but I'd be curious if you went back through all the LOST threads and looked at the responses after the 2nd or 3rd episodes and see what the responses were. I'd be willing to bet they would mirror what's being posted now about last nights episode. And true to form, every year, the writers reveal they have a purpose for doing what they are doing and bring it all together in the end with incredible wtf moments.My point? Sit back, enjoy the show and quick analyzing it to death. I gave up on that after season 3 or 4 and it's been a lot more enjoyable.
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Twilight said:
I didn't hate last nights as much as some of you, but I agree that the Others are frustrating.

But that's been the problem since they were first introduced to the series. They are a mysterious, casually brutal group of people with completely unknown motivations. Even now 100 episodes in we have no idea why they are doing anything. We've got a lot of peripheral answers about the island, about the "gods" of the island, but we still have no idea about the Others place in the scheme of things, and why they are so quick to attack and kill strangers. They'd rather play mind games rather than explain anything, which also doesn't make sense with the insular nature of the island as well. They are still just cutout villians, jackasses for jackasses sake.

Even last night's episode. Why have Jack poison Sayid? They have never had any problem with just killing anyone they don't like out of hand. Why the sophistry? This kind of mysterious enemies worked OK back in season 2. But too much light has been shed on the rest of the show to make this anything but annoying.
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I'm kinda in between this post and Beer_30's. I know this is all done for a reason, but with a 2-hour premiere last week, I figured there'd be a bit of a let-down this week, just because it was only an hour.Re: the bold - This is why Cindy (the flight attendant's) integration into The Others is so troubling to me. Perhaps I shouldn't be bothered by it, but her integration into The Others is absolutely contrary to their entire nature.

 
beer 30 said:
Not that I'm arguing against any of you but I'd be curious if you went back through all the LOST threads and looked at the responses after the 2nd or 3rd episodes and see what the responses were. I'd be willing to bet they would mirror what's being posted now about last nights episode. And true to form, every year, the writers reveal they have a purpose for doing what they are doing and bring it all together in the end with incredible wtf moments.My point? Sit back, enjoy the show and quick analyzing it to death. I gave up on that after season 3 or 4 and it's been a lot more enjoyable.
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I'm with you. I used to analyze it to the point where I wasn't really enjoying it as much. I'm still reading what you all have to say, just not overanalyzing anything. I'm confident the writers know exactly what they're doing. We might not like it but they do have a plan.
 
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