Twilight
Footballguy
She said it during their tutor session in the Library. I don't give a crap if it isn't true in real life, Alex felt it was true, and Ben didn't contradict her so he believes it as well.
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*** Official Lost Season 6 *** (2 Viewers)
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caabeel
Footballguy
No, YOU set it up to be a big part of the show. I'm enjoying it just fine.
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Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Because if Ben gets power, he will use it badly. Power inevitably leads to corruption for Ben. He made the humane decision, which is what Ben ultimately needs to do to lead a good life. The significance of Elba should not be lost on you here either. If Ben makes the wrong decision, he is on that island forever, in charge but in charge of nothing.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
Very interesting that Jack is now becoming a "man of faith"
It certainly seems that Jack's being set up to be one of the island caretakers. "He walks among us, but isn't one of us"
Did we catch notLocke in a lie last night? He told Sawyer that the island was just an island, and that it didn't need protecting. Yet he told Ben that he couldn't think of anyone better to be the island's protector. Was this a ploy by notLocketo, knowing Ben's aspirations for power, to get Ben on his side? I think the answer is yes, but this may be the first time we've seen notLocke tell two people different things.
Intresting that Ilana, Bram, etc. weren't there to act as Jacob's bodyguards as most of us thought.
We did get confirmation of what Miles' powers are. He can't "talk" to dead people, but he can find out their manner of death and get their final thoughts. It'd be interesting if he went to Locke's grave and found out if Locke's final thoughts were what notLocke said they were.
Re: Richard and the Black Rock. Perhaps he wasn't on there as a slave, as many of us thought. Perhaps he was a mutinous crew member, who was in chains?
It certainly seems that Jack's being set up to be one of the island caretakers. "He walks among us, but isn't one of us"
Did we catch notLocke in a lie last night? He told Sawyer that the island was just an island, and that it didn't need protecting. Yet he told Ben that he couldn't think of anyone better to be the island's protector. Was this a ploy by notLocketo, knowing Ben's aspirations for power, to get Ben on his side? I think the answer is yes, but this may be the first time we've seen notLocke tell two people different things.
Intresting that Ilana, Bram, etc. weren't there to act as Jacob's bodyguards as most of us thought.
We did get confirmation of what Miles' powers are. He can't "talk" to dead people, but he can find out their manner of death and get their final thoughts. It'd be interesting if he went to Locke's grave and found out if Locke's final thoughts were what notLocke said they were.
Re: Richard and the Black Rock. Perhaps he wasn't on there as a slave, as many of us thought. Perhaps he was a mutinous crew member, who was in chains?
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
Good catch. The sideways flash and the island story, for the first time I belive, were very parallel.
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
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So, what's hilarious to me is that during the show last night, I turned to the fiancee to comment on how I couldn't understand the #####ing, being that we were getting answers left and right...........and then I come in here this morning to more #####ing. Some of you are hilarious. Anywho, going back to the Last Supper pic that was circulated before the season............you can obviously make out Dark on the left and Light on the right. I think the important questions right now are 1) Why are Richard and Ilana on the Dark side? Do they both lose faith because Jacob is dead? When does that change happen? 2) Sayid is in the Judas spot. When is he going to doublecross FLocke, and is it going to be the event that decides what happens in the story?
Lost in all the complaints is the discussion of Jack completely giving way to "Faith Jack". The previous Man of Science would never have lit an ancient unstable stick of dynamite and just sat there. Jack completely embraced the Faith of the island, and is well on his way to becoming the new Jacob.
Probably the biggest "storyline that went nowhere" complaint that fans have had is Nikki and Paulo...........and we get a bit of a payoff last night when Miles mentions them, and then is later shown to have dug up the $8 million in diamonds. I think that will play a part in his "ending".
We also got confirmation that Richard was on the Black Rock. And we also learned that Richard doesn't age because he was touched by Jacob. The question that no one asked is does that mean that all of the candidates are like Richard? Jack, Kate, Hurley, etc........this means that they won't age as long as they stay on the island and survive, since they can't kill themselves? I think that's an important conclusion.
And we also got the redemption of Ben. It was of absolutely no importance at all whether or not he could have said "Oh yeah. You'll give me your job AND write a recommendation." Completely unimportant and nitpicking. What was important was once again, he was given the choice between what he wanted, and what was right by Alex. On the island he chose the island, which led to his daughter's death. In the flash sideways he chose Alex, and completely redeemed himself. Will prove to be huge in regards to his final outcome.
So, what's hilarious to me is that during the show last night, I turned to the fiancee to comment on how I couldn't understand the #####ing, being that we were getting answers left and right...........and then I come in here this morning to more #####ing. Some of you are hilarious. Anywho, going back to the Last Supper pic that was circulated before the season............you can obviously make out Dark on the left and Light on the right. I think the important questions right now are 1) Why are Richard and Ilana on the Dark side? Do they both lose faith because Jacob is dead? When does that change happen? 2) Sayid is in the Judas spot. When is he going to doublecross FLocke, and is it going to be the event that decides what happens in the story?
Lost in all the complaints is the discussion of Jack completely giving way to "Faith Jack". The previous Man of Science would never have lit an ancient unstable stick of dynamite and just sat there. Jack completely embraced the Faith of the island, and is well on his way to becoming the new Jacob.
Probably the biggest "storyline that went nowhere" complaint that fans have had is Nikki and Paulo...........and we get a bit of a payoff last night when Miles mentions them, and then is later shown to have dug up the $8 million in diamonds. I think that will play a part in his "ending".
We also got confirmation that Richard was on the Black Rock. And we also learned that Richard doesn't age because he was touched by Jacob. The question that no one asked is does that mean that all of the candidates are like Richard? Jack, Kate, Hurley, etc........this means that they won't age as long as they stay on the island and survive, since they can't kill themselves? I think that's an important conclusion.
And we also got the redemption of Ben. It was of absolutely no importance at all whether or not he could have said "Oh yeah. You'll give me your job AND write a recommendation." Completely unimportant and nitpicking. What was important was once again, he was given the choice between what he wanted, and what was right by Alex. On the island he chose the island, which led to his daughter's death. In the flash sideways he chose Alex, and completely redeemed himself. Will prove to be huge in regards to his final outcome.
beer 30
Footballguy
Really goodI saw the picture of the ship in the book and would, with almost 100% assurity, guarantee that it is.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Best episode of the season.
If Ben really wanted to get that principal's goat in the flash sideways, he should have put a giant ball of popcorn kernels in the middle of his house and then redirected a satellite-guided weapons system so that the heat would pop all the kernels and fill his house with tasty, tasty popcorn. He really hates when that happens.
If Ben really wanted to get that principal's goat in the flash sideways, he should have put a giant ball of popcorn kernels in the middle of his house and then redirected a satellite-guided weapons system so that the heat would pop all the kernels and fill his house with tasty, tasty popcorn. He really hates when that happens.
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
AcerFC
Footballguy
Who created this?
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
Good episode, few questions:
1. Setting symbolism aside, why defend at the beach? There I'd go hide in the looking glass or medical hatch imo.
1a. If locke is leaving and said defending the island was always a bunch of bull####, what was he trying to sell to Ben when he said he needed someone to stay behind.
2. How many Yale grads are principals at craptastic public schools?
3. Why does Rosseau have to work two jobs to pay the bills? Wasn't she a scientist?
4. Dig Miles dig up the graves? This was okay with the rest of the folks?
Relieved they didn't actually kill off Ben. Best thing the show has ever had going for it.
1. Setting symbolism aside, why defend at the beach? There I'd go hide in the looking glass or medical hatch imo.
1a. If locke is leaving and said defending the island was always a bunch of bull####, what was he trying to sell to Ben when he said he needed someone to stay behind.
2. How many Yale grads are principals at craptastic public schools?
3. Why does Rosseau have to work two jobs to pay the bills? Wasn't she a scientist?
4. Dig Miles dig up the graves? This was okay with the rest of the folks?
Relieved they didn't actually kill off Ben. Best thing the show has ever had going for it.
Dr. No
Footballguy
hell yes.. but since i knew with 99.99999999999999% certainty that it wouldn't, it made the scene painfully untense
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
Weren't there other Last Supper photos put out by the producers as well? With different character placement? That could be a clue, or it could be just put out there to get us discussing it. Another question is, why is notLocke in the Christ position?Good question on whether or not Jack, Hurley, etc. don't age based on being touched by Jacob. It would appear that the "rules" about MiB and Jacob not being able to kill each other seem to be similar for other people who've been given the "gift."
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
Yes and no. Ben summed it up well though when he said "the island ended up getting you anyway."Like Jacob said when Jack smashed the mirror, "they'll find another way." If you're meant to be on the island, you'll get there one way or another.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
It might be better if you just DVR the rest of the season and watch it back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back, etc.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
Locke nudging Ben along his path in the sideways scene was interesting.
Dr. No
Footballguy
Overall I liked this episode better than most so far.
I didn't want Ben to end up as a "good" character though... how could anyone be good that did the things he did?
found it very interesting that he acknowledged that he was on the Island and in the Dharma Initiative still... Was he still shot as a young boy and cured by the "others"? We'll never know, but it does make me wonder what the circumstances were for his departure from the island.
I am pretty sure though that these flash sideways are the writers way of making sure every character has closure without making the final episode an extended look at how everyone's story was resolved. I do think that's a unique perspective on a way to resolve a story, even if I don't genuinely have much of an interest in the flash sideways at all.
I don't know about you, but the way Alex was looking at Ben it seemed like there was a higher likelihood that they were going to bone than it be a beneficial student/mentor relationship.
I didn't want Ben to end up as a "good" character though... how could anyone be good that did the things he did?
found it very interesting that he acknowledged that he was on the Island and in the Dharma Initiative still... Was he still shot as a young boy and cured by the "others"? We'll never know, but it does make me wonder what the circumstances were for his departure from the island.
I am pretty sure though that these flash sideways are the writers way of making sure every character has closure without making the final episode an extended look at how everyone's story was resolved. I do think that's a unique perspective on a way to resolve a story, even if I don't genuinely have much of an interest in the flash sideways at all.
I don't know about you, but the way Alex was looking at Ben it seemed like there was a higher likelihood that they were going to bone than it be a beneficial student/mentor relationship.
IDrinkyourMilkshake
Footballguy
So none of the potential candidates are allowed to kill themselves? It could explain why the gun didn't fire when Michael (that black guy from season 1) tried to kill himself. He might have been a potential candidate.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
That people will complain about not being told they'd get answers.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
The producers i believe. ALso, there one another photo with the characters in different spots. anyone have that?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
That is what I thought. WAAALLLT!
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
Black Box
Footballguy
Good catch.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
I caught the last couple minutes of hte popup repeat and when everyone was exiting the Temple, my recollection is that it said something to the effect of "The MiB is recruiting people to his side - he now has Saywer, Claire, Jin, the rest of The Others, Sayid and Kate"To me, that means Kate's on his side, but I could have mis-read that part, so if someone has exactly what was said, feel free to correct me.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Some of you are so eager to complain that you don't see what that was for.The whole purpose was to show he would sacrifice his own desire of being principal to help another person...in this case, his "on-island daughter" who is just a very good student to him.
It was to show his real redemption off-island.
shadyridr
Footballguy
we knew that already
sho nuff
Footballguy
Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Well, since Im going out of town, I was hoping it mean, while new, it would be a recap of the first episodes of the season one...but Im not that lucky.
Phurfur
Footballguy
Has it been discussed why there are 13 people around Locke rather than 12?
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Also interesting that it was Real Locke last night in the flash sideways that was trying to tempt Ben over to the dark side. It was he who dangled the carrot of becoming the Principal to Ben.
Locke is weak minded which is why he could never be a candidate to replace Jacob. He is too easily manipulated, I think the MIB has just as much influence over John Locke as Jacob does. This doesn't make him necesarily an evil character, just a really conflicted one.
Locke is weak minded which is why he could never be a candidate to replace Jacob. He is too easily manipulated, I think the MIB has just as much influence over John Locke as Jacob does. This doesn't make him necesarily an evil character, just a really conflicted one.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
Richard was having a crisis of faith. As many characters have had during the show. Jack, the man of science, restored that faith and showed Richard that there still was a purpose.Richard's attitude was similar to that of many viewers. "I've been a part of this for so long and promised answers and now I've got none ... I'm done with this."
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
We knew that. But, Ben didn't.
kupcho1
Footballguy
Seriously? A surgeon is an egomaniac? What a stretch.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I took this to be pettiness or bitterness by Richard. Considering that he was ready to kill himself, I wouldn't assume he was being rational at that point.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
every time I read "Dr. Linus" this goes off in my head:
kupcho1
Footballguy
POTD:(
kaa
Footballguy
I know what the intent was. I didn't miss that. I'm saying it was poorly executed.
kupcho1
Footballguy
How is Locke's behavior evil? He's a substitute teacher with no horse in the race. He sees the indifference of the principal and the interest Linus has in imbuing the school with a real mission. Why wouldn't he rather see Linus as principal? How does this equate to "the dark side"?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
His behavior is not evil but are you telling me that it's of no significance that it's Locke that is tempting Ben to make the decision that will ultimately fail him?With Locke t's all about the man behind the curtain and MIB has control of Locke.
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Black Box
Footballguy
Man, it is really going to suck to have to watch Richard stick around, make poor poker analogies, and just complain about every little detail going on around him.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
To put this another way, Locke is just a pawn in the end game. He is a piece that gets moved along to advance one side over the other.His behavior is not evil but are you telling me that it's of no significance that it's Locke that is tempting Ben to make the decision that will ultimately fail him?With Locke t's all about the man behind the curtain and MIB has control of Locke.How is Locke's behavior evil? He's a substitute teacher with no horse in the race. He sees the indifference of the principal and the interest Linus has in imbuing the school with a real mission. Why wouldn't he rather see Linus as principal? How does this equate to "the dark side"?
