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That's where my wife & I are at. We watched Seasons 1-5 on Netflix just before season 6 started.I should have waited for 6 to come out too - it's been frustrating keeping the story straight watching it week-to-week as opposed to two or three episodes a night.
So for you, drama over logic. Got it.
Ah, the eye roll - the last resort.Really, Smoov, look at what happened. unLocke planted the bomb on Jack and "seemingly" made sure unLocke would not be on the sub - and took a huge gamble that his plan would pay off. In fact, a gamble that didn't.When he could have just arranged for the plane to leave without him and let Widmore kill them all. Seems a little more logical.
No, actually it doesn't. If his whole plan is to leave the island, and he is trying to earn the castaways trust, so he can betray them in the end, why would he suddenly duck off the plane? How would that exchange go? Wouldn't that be the tiniest bit suspicious? By doing it the way he did it, he made them think that they were leaving without him, but still had the bomb. I'm sorry you don't get it.
I think this is the answer to your question. Desmond's a pretty big part of all this and I think FLocke underestimated how big his role could be.
Even with that you've got Danielle having Alex and Claire having Aaron... Do we know that Miles and Ethan were conceived on the island?Not saying I like the nitpicking there, but there's any number of ways that could be reconciled.I'm thinking it's because of "the Incident" that occurred at Swan Station that led to the necessity of The Button. Seeems like roughly the time before which/after which babies could/not be born.yea, im not buyin that weve been given the answer to the problems with preggos.Kids were born on the island back in the 1970's though. We know that both Miles and Ethan were born on-island. Only later was there a problem with giving birth on the island and even then there wasn't a problem with conception, the problems only started happening in the third trimester, IIRC, and the problems didn't happen to those who were already pregnant off the island like Claire and Sun.I was thinking it was just the Twaret statue... Statue was put up to appease the goddess of fertility. Black Rock destroyed the statue, no more appeasement no more pregnancy...Its not really an explanation, but it works if you're looking at it mythically.Of course we don't know that children were born on the island before that so
But both of them conceived before coming to the island.Even with that you've got Danielle having Alex and Claire having Aaron... Do we know that Miles and Ethan were conceived on the island?Not saying I like the nitpicking there, but there's any number of ways that could be reconciled.I'm thinking it's because of "the Incident" that occurred at Swan Station that led to the necessity of The Button. Seeems like roughly the time before which/after which babies could/not be born.yea, im not buyin that weve been given the answer to the problems with preggos.Kids were born on the island back in the 1970's though. We know that both Miles and Ethan were born on-island. Only later was there a problem with giving birth on the island and even then there wasn't a problem with conception, the problems only started happening in the third trimester, IIRC, and the problems didn't happen to those who were already pregnant off the island like Claire and Sun.I was thinking it was just the Twaret statue... Statue was put up to appease the goddess of fertility. Black Rock destroyed the statue, no more appeasement no more pregnancy...Its not really an explanation, but it works if you're looking at it mythically.Of course we don't know that children were born on the island before that so
Do we know that isn't the case with Miles and Ethan?My point was they could be the same as alex/aaron.
Both were born before "The Incident".According to Lostpedia:
She makes it up to you by dancing on your computer desk. Naked. You lucky SOB......
Your response is needed in the L4D thread...
Ok... but that doesn't have anything to do with when they were concieved...My "theory" is that the blackrock destroying the Twaret statue caused the baby making problems on the island. We already know that kids conceived elsewhere can be born on the island, so the incident popping up in the middle of those births doesn't negate the theory...I feel dumb arguing about this though because its such a small thing in the overall show, and it won't be resolved anyway.
Sure it does. My point was that it was after The Incident that the baby-having problem started (at least that's what I remember). Were there problems before It?* Since both Miles and Ethan were born before The Incident, it wouldn't matter if they were conceived on or off island.*There couldn't have been, right, since The Others were clearly living on the island for a long time before Dharma showed up.
My wife and I are attending a Lost Finale party.I think it is a group of about 10 of us; doing dinner, then the Recap show, followed by the finale. I have two pretty close friends that are way into the show, and one of them is hosting this party with his wife. –I think it will be fun… and I’m looking forward to the conversation it stimulates.ETA: I definitely wouldn't want to watch every ep with a small crowd, but for the finale I think it will be fun.
Ethan Rom is also an anagram of "Other Man" back when everyone was terrified of The Others. I could be really reaching here, but the guy who played Ethan's last name is Mapother, which also has many of the same letters.
Stuff like that always reminds me of Sherlock Holmes' Smarter Brother:
I'm also hosting a lost finale party. We're having smoke monster cocktails - vodka + monster energy drink (with dry ice so it smokes), grilled boar , and sushi.
Agreed. But it still makes absolutely no sense for FLocke to clue Ben in on his plan, other than to provide a cliff hanger plot element for the audience. Maybe its a bit nitty, but it really took me out of the moment, and I typically don't have issues with that in Lost, so it puzzled me.
I don't see a problem. FLocke told Ben that if he helped him, Ben could get what he wanted back (the island). Ben after confronting his daughter's grave and apparently realizing he had nothing left in his life to really live for, took the deal. Plus, he wanted Widmore dead for killing Alex. That was before FLocke was clued into Desmond being even more important in Jacob's plan than he realized. Once FLocke learned of Desmond's importance he decided to blow the island to bits and eliminate all obstacles once and for all.Agreed. But it still makes absolutely no sense for FLocke to clue Ben in on his plan, other than to provide a cliff hanger plot element for the audience. Maybe its a bit nitty, but it really took me out of the moment, and I typically don't have issues with that in Lost, so it puzzled me.
& here i thought they were going to a drive shaft concert.
Maybe it's both. I bet Daniel Faraday will be there too.
We're having wild boar tacos as one of the menu items that night... there are several island/Dharma themed items on the menu, including Dharma Beer (I'm wondering if the hosts will actually print up some labels for this?). I don't think there will be any t-shirt burning at this party, but I guess if the finale tanks, ya never know.
What he wanted was to kill all the candidates and his opposition. He needed Ben for that. Now he thinks he can destroy the island (which, in theory, should kill the people on it, too). He may not have much need for Ben for that part.Agreed. But it still makes absolutely no sense for FLocke to clue Ben in on his plan, other than to provide a cliff hanger plot element for the audience. Maybe its a bit nitty, but it really took me out of the moment, and I typically don't have issues with that in Lost, so it puzzled me.
How about Jacob looking down at your junk saying, "It only ends once. Everything else is just progress"?
A portrait of Richard sporting heavy guy-liner would be simple, yet classy.
I have been critical but I want to think I am in group 3. I am still holding out hope for a great finale that will recharge me. It's probably too tall an order at this point because this season has done a lot of damage, but I would like to come away saying that it had a great finish.
It's the pilot episodes
I think I'm in category 3. I don't need the finale to be the best show ever, but I'll hold it to the same standard I would hold a movie, and I'll judge the show in large part by whether I like that movie. It doesn't need to be a perfect show, but for the last few years, I've been saying well, it will either be the best series ever, or a terrible waste of time, depending on how it ends. So far, I've enjoyed a couple shows this season, and I've been disappointed by a couple, so I'm really looking to this weekend. And while they've disappointed me with how they've answered some of the questions, they've managed to lower my expectations to the point where they could really wow me with a good last episode, or infuriate me with a bad one.
This is nothing like the Sopranos. Each Sopranos episode was generally a standalone episode. Sure, there were longer plot arcs, but each show had a beginning, a middle and an end. Lost doesn't do that. It's always part of the plot arc. They did that episode with the couple that got paralyzed and buried and people were howling that it didn't advance the plot. There's always a previously on Lost and there's always a flashback/forward/sideways that gives you a little more information. Every show ends with some kind of cliffhanger and a big LOST on the screen. That's how they've set up the show - we're always moving towards next show. Well, this is the last next show. They've set up the whole six seasons specifically for this. The Sopranos ending was disappointing for some people, and others - myself included - thought it was a good way to end things in a show that didn't need a perfect ending. The ending to Friends brought things together. It wasn't great, and that show was on the air way too long, but it did what you wanted it to do, and that ended the show on a better note than you'd have expected from the last couple seasons. The last episode of MASH was the most watched show ever until last year, and I can't even tell you exactly how it ended. Each episode of that show was its own entertainment experience. There were happy episodes and sad episodes, there were character driven episodes like the ones where Sigmund the psychiatrist visited and talked about the camp. But all of them were loosely tied together because it was a comedy first and foremost. LOST is different. They've set themselves up since day one as a mystery show, and each show they introduce new mysteries and make you want to see the next one. They set the expectations, they created the mythology, and they chose which questions to answer and which would be left unanswered. There's no reason to apologize for them. This final episode will speak for itself. They'll give us their best shot, and we'll judge them on the journey they've taken us on from beginning to end. As much as possible, I've tried to give them the benefit of the doubt as they've changed it from a show about a plane crash on an island to a show about a hatch and the magic computer numbers to a show about the Others and their polar bear cages to a show about time travel to a show about Jacob and some guy whose name they refuse to share for no apparent reason. This isn't even close to the show I thought I was getting but I've watched it week in and week out because they made it impossible to skip an episode. So here we are. I haven't decided going into this episode how I'll feel walking out, but at the end of two and a half hours, I'll have decided how I feel about the last six seasons. Wow me, and I'll recommend this show too people for years, and I'll buy the DVDs I don't already own. Make it decent, and I'll be talking about it at the water cooler, and I'll probably catch old episodes on TBS or whatever show picks them up. Disappoint me, and I'll tell people not to bother. It's really that simple.
Great post. You and Yudkin have best articulated how I feel about the show at this point, though perhaps will a little more forgiveness. I don't think anyone disagrees that the first three seasons (and to some extent the fourth) were nearly perfect and had the show poised to be historic by the end of it. Instant greatness molds expectations, fair or not, and the final two seasons lost the tight writing of the first four, turned the story into a jumbled mess that rendered much of the first four seasons to be irrelevant story-wise and character-wise. With the potential the show had, it's almost tragic.Even those still happy with the show, I get the sense the enjoyment is built on a willingness to ignore the flaws and accept things. Which is fine. I don't think people should not enjoy the show because it has fallen off. For me it's just difficult to watch without being conscious of what the show used to be and what it could have been with a more focused outline and better execution. As you say, it's a mystery show that is chalking up what few mysteries are being answered to two magical characters just recently introduced while transforming the main characters into moving pieces, either dying or being told "Hey, your names were just chalk on a wall. Any one of you can be the protector of the magic light. Who wants it?"For what has led up to this, the finale can be great and leave people with a fuzzy feeling, but I don't see how it can blow anybody's minds or convince me that there's any point to rewatching the previous episodes over again. Not with what the writers have constructed as an endgame, and with what they have abandoned in the process.
You know...other than Jacob and MiB....I was thinking it was just the Twaret statue... Statue was put up to appease the goddess of fertility. Black Rock destroyed the statue, no more appeasement no more pregnancy...
Its not really an explanation, but it works if you're looking at it mythically.
Of course we don't know that children were born on the island before that so
The bolded above strikes me as correct. But I'm OK with it. It shows just how insignificant people are, in the grand scheme of things (if you believe that sort of thing, of course)
The issue has been that conception and delivery of a child in tandem couldn't happen on the island. Jacob and MIB were not conceived on the island.You know...other than Jacob and MiB....I was thinking it was just the Twaret statue... Statue was put up to appease the goddess of fertility. Black Rock destroyed the statue, no more appeasement no more pregnancy...
Its not really an explanation, but it works if you're looking at it mythically.
Of course we don't know that children were born on the island before that so
That are also enhanced with the pop-ups. I'll be watching, simply to see if there's stuff in there that's significant now and because those first 2 hours were some of the most compelling TV in a long, long time.Swamprat said:
Well, Flash Forward just got cancelled . . .
I still think Battlestar Galactica was better. Just my opinion.
Have they ever confirmed...or will they confirm...that it was smokie that comes down and hits the engine causing it to blow up?
