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*** Official Lost Season 6 *** (1 Viewer)

I don't have an issue with this episode really but looking back at it but I think the real issue is the direction the story took from season 3 on. It seemed like they tried to make the whole show bigger than it needed to be. IF they would have stuck with a bunch of people stuck on a weird island and a host of bad guys, I think the story would have turned out better.
:no:giant smoke monster made that impossible... You cannot POSSIBLY explain a giant smoke monster without some sort of supernatural explanation (or future-tech to the point of it might as well be supernatural because its that far from the future (OH YEAH! Aliens could probably have worked, too))so, either it was what it was, or it involved time travelling people from the future who came back just to screw with Jack, Kate, and Sawyer (and the others), or they're aliens who took a vacation to screw with them...Either way, it still doesn't really make sense...
 
Of love 'Lost'

A riveting series' finale fails to top the six seasons that preceded it. But then, it was always about the journey.

Well, it could have been worse. It could have all been a dream.

Actually, that might have been better, if the finale of "Lost" had ended with some alien life form or surprising human — Ray Bradbury, say, or Terry O'Quinn in a pre-audition nap — opening his eyes from the craziest dream ever.

Instead, it turns out the passengers of Oceanic 815 are all dead, victims, if the end-credit imagery is to believed, of the same tragic plane accident that started the whole thing. Six seasons of polar bears, bachelor pad hatches, landlocked ships, personal submarines and a fleet of fallen airplanes, and it was all apparently some sort of shared afterlife experience. Excuse me, but what are we supposed to do with those religious statues full of heroin, with Fionnula Flanagan's pendulums, with the crazy Frenchwoman and the time shifts and the whole glorious Richard Alpert back story? And what on Earth are we supposed to do with the Dharma Initiative?

Release them into the universe, apparently, along with the image of Allison Janney in bad biblical hair. Because as Desmond (Henry Ian Cusick) kept telling Jack and anyone who would listen, really, none of it matters, except that it's over, and even if Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse decided, and possibly at the last minute, that their uber-narrative would be an over-the-top marriage of "Incident at Owl Creek Bridge" and "It's a Wonderful Life," at least it's over, and that's something.

Because watching "Lost" has been a bit like being pregnant. The thrill of discovery, followed by the delight of watching a nascent form evolve into something real. Then the long delightful exhausting middle months, until it came down to a few final weeks, fueled by fevered anticipation and the wretched, bloated desire to just get the dang thing over with.

And as with most birth experiences, there was blood and there were tears. Lots of tears. In the end, "Lost" was not, despite all that blogging to the contrary, a modern allegory of good versus evil or faith versus science. "Lost," it turns out, was nothing more or less than a love story, the 2 1/2 hours of its finale tilted much more toward lovers' reunions than the final battle between Jack ( Matthew Fox) and John Locke (Terry O'Quinn).

So the sound you heard 'round about 10 Sunday night was thousands of nonromantics wishing for a time slip that would give them those 2 1/2 hours and possibly six seasons back.

Which is ridiculous, of course, because the message of "Lost" had nothing to do with smoke monsters or even true love — it was about living in the present. The slippery, ever-shifting, oh-now-there's-a-temple-in-the-jungle present. Viewers either went with it or they didn't.

No matter how you felt about the resolution of the finale, the 144 or so minutes that preceded it were pretty compelling television, proof if nothing else that if Kate ( Evangeline Lilly) picks up a gun in the first episode, it will go off in the last, that O'Quinn and Michael Emerson (Ben) should be nominated for at least two Emmys apiece and Cusick needs his own series. And if there was some pretty clunky dialogue, including Hurley (Jorge Garcia) saying, "I've got a bad feeling about this," there were more than a few highlights, including:

The resigned exclamation Ben (Emerson) makes when Sawyer hits him — is there any member of the cast who hasn't beaten Ben up?

The "My mouth's bleedin', Bert" look on Locke's face when Jack hits him and Locke realizes he is mortal once again.

That Hurley becomes, at the last moment, the keeper of the island. His belief in himself was touching and for one moment one could forget the real mystery of "Lost," which is how Hurley actually seemed to get heavier despite all that walking.

The return of Shannon (Maggie Grace) into Sayid's arms was the most romantic moment of the night, though I don't know what to say about the Dixie Chick hair — especially if this is heaven.

The scene in which Claire ( Emilie de Ravin) gives birth backstage at the Widmore benefit while Kate assists and Charlie (Dominic Monaghan) in full rocker gear looks on was one of the low points (although it works well for my pregnancy analogy). But the most disturbing image of the evening happened during the commercial break: It is too soon for the smoke monster to shill for Target.
 
I don't have an issue with this episode really but looking back at it but I think the real issue is the direction the story took from season 3 on. It seemed like they tried to make the whole show bigger than it needed to be. IF they would have stuck with a bunch of people stuck on a weird island and a host of bad guys, I think the story would have turned out better.
:no:giant smoke monster made that impossible... You cannot POSSIBLY explain a giant smoke monster without some sort of supernatural explanation (or future-tech to the point of it might as well be supernatural because its that far from the future (OH YEAH! Aliens could probably have worked, too))so, either it was what it was, or it involved time travelling people from the future who came back just to screw with Jack, Kate, and Sawyer (and the others), or they're aliens who took a vacation to screw with them...Either way, it still doesn't really make sense...
 
Loved the finale. Flashbacks were great. Target commercials were great. GB not being caught up on all the details and just enjoying these characters and the relationships they formed. I'm gonna miss Sawyer's wit.

 
I don't have an issue with this episode really but looking back at it but I think the real issue is the direction the story took from season 3 on. It seemed like they tried to make the whole show bigger than it needed to be. IF they would have stuck with a bunch of people stuck on a weird island and a host of bad guys, I think the story would have turned out better.
:no:giant smoke monster made that impossible... You cannot POSSIBLY explain a giant smoke monster without some sort of supernatural explanation (or future-tech to the point of it might as well be supernatural because its that far from the future (OH YEAH! Aliens could probably have worked, too))so, either it was what it was, or it involved time travelling people from the future who came back just to screw with Jack, Kate, and Sawyer (and the others), or they're aliens who took a vacation to screw with them...Either way, it still doesn't really make sense...
 
I'm seriously leaning toward both the island and the ALT being a construct of Jack's imagination as he was dying on the island after the plane crash. Elaborate, yes, but it does make sense because it satisfies all of the things that Jack wanted in life.

"Everything that happened, happened...in Jack's mind".

 
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Loved the ending. Tied it all together for me. Honestly, I'll never look at my life in the same way again. This show changed me.

 
Am i missing something? Why is nobody commenting on the fact that they showed the wreckage at the very end over silence?
People are going to put WAY too much significance to that. I don't think them showing the wreckage at the end had any impact to the story's resolution at all.I think it was just a visual reminder to the audience as to how it all began and was a decent coda on top of the close up of Jack's eye closing to end the story.

I don't think it means to show that "it was all a dream" at all.

I feel the same way I did at the end of Battlestar Galactica - a little bit intellectually cheated, but more than emotionally satisfied.

 
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I went to bed sure that the Island was real and the sideways world was purgatory.

I woke up and read this thread, and realized there will be debate for years...which is great for a TV show.

I just can't believe no one else thought of this. Why didn't Jack become a smoke monster? MIB fell into the light and then came out of the island and died just like Jack...

I thought we'd see a "Jack" smokey and hear the smoke monster sound as the credits rolled. Now THAT would have been a great final scene.

 
I'm seriously leaning toward both the island and the ALT being a construct of Jack's imagination as he was dying on the island after the plane crash. Elaborate, yes, but it does make sense because it satisfies all of the things that Jack wanted in life.

"Everything that happened, happened...in Jack's mind".
They left enough to interpretation for everyone, but this is my takeaway as well.

 
Widmore telling Ben that they couldn't kill each other (after Widmore had broken the "rules" and killed Ben's daughter)...how could they know what the deal was at that point?

 
The more I think about it, the more the Widmore/Hawkins/Farraday storyline seems to be one of the major pieces of the story, if not the centerpiece. A mother who didn't want to let her son go. A father who gave everything to his career and enjoyed great success but what he really wanted was to get back to the past. A son who was tremendously conflicted with his parents and didn't understand why they wouldn't let him be with the girl he had a secret crush on, and everything he did in his life - including inventing time travel - was to get around their rules.
Thank you. I think you just hit the nail on the head because honestly, I could not piece it together
 
And was Locke the only one in the church who didn't have somebody?
Boone was basically alone too. I thought it was an interesting twist that while Jack and the survivors all needed one another in order to move on Jack essentially lived together and died alone. But his theme from Season 1 didn't mean his own demise but rather his own redemption.
 
I'm seriously leaning toward both the island and the ALT being a construct of Jack's imagination as he was dying on the island after the plane crash. Elaborate, yes, but it does make sense because it satisfies all of the things that Jack wanted in life.

"Everything that happened, happened...in Jack's mind".
As I posted last night, I think that's an interesting idea and one I can see people clinging to. Matthew Fox appears to side in that direction. However, that idea for me negates the importance of the other characters' journeys and limits the show's scope to Jack only. While Jack was my favorite character, I don't embrace the idea of limiting who those characters were and what their journeys were about. For me, it's emotionally unsatisfying to make the entire show about Jack and his path to redemption. I think that's a part of it - a big part, but just a part. And Christian's statement would seem to negate the theory that all of this played out in Jack's mind:

"Everything that's ever happened to you is real."

The writers spelled it all out. What happened on the island happened. That wasn't just Jack's mind at work. The island was real and those people were real and they all needed one another. That's what I believe the show was ultimately about.

 
Spoilers= The alternate universe was limbo and was them with "unfinished business" like in Casper, but without the ghosts. They live happily ever after.
They are all going to the same place eventually. Why couldn't they wait for each other over there? Are they a bunch of girls who have to go to the ladies room together?
And why would they be all going to the same place - some of those clowns should be going to hell.
 
Every single TV show could potentially end in the way this finale did...Every character will be dead on a long enough timeline. Seeing them all reunited for a final scene where they go into the light together is sweet but still does not exist the million mysteries presented by a mystery show. The ending seemed like a real copout to me.
Great point
 
Spoilers= The alternate universe was limbo and was them with "unfinished business" like in Casper, but without the ghosts. They live happily ever after.
They are all going to the same place eventually. Why couldn't they wait for each other over there? Are they a bunch of girls who have to go to the ladies room together?
And why would they be all going to the same place - some of those clowns should be going to hell.
Who? Sayid? He was "redeemed" when he sacrificed himself on the boat. I don't think any of the other characters deserved to go to hell.
 
Are we to assume that Walt has not died yet and that is why he was not in the finale?

But Christian said some died after Jack didnt he

I could not sleep last night after the show. All I did was think about what had happened. I read this thread, tried to draw my own conclusions and I can honestly say that I am not sure I know what happened. I keep changing my opinion every time I think of another scene

I think for that reason alone, I liked it.

 
Why did they show the island underwater at the beginning of the season?
:goodposting: Yeah this one mystifies me too, any thoughts?
:goodposting: I was generally really happy with the finale, but this is a huge gaping hole I can't forgive. The opening scene of Season Six set this up as the biggest mystery of the Alt-universe. Why? It's not like it's some question from back in Season Two that they couldn't wrap up in a neat little pacakage. By the time the wrote that episode they knew where they were going. Why deliberately create a huge mystery to open the season and then not bother to resolve it or even reference it?
 
I don't think Hurley became the protector. I think Jack just did that to comfort him. Weren't the powers of the island useless at that point since notLocke and Jack couldhurt/kill each other? I don't see how some stream water could make Hurley the guy. Also, black smoke is dead at that point essentially too. Not sure what Hurley would be protecting?
Jack/Locke could hurt each other while the "light was out". I guess the powers could've come back after Jack turned it back on. The crazy woman and Jacob (for a few minutes) were protecting the island from something before the smoke monster existed, so I guess Hurley would still need to protect it from something.
 
I don't think Hurley became the protector. I think Jack just did that to comfort him. Weren't the powers of the island useless at that point since notLocke and Jack couldhurt/kill each other? I don't see how some stream water could make Hurley the guy. Also, black smoke is dead at that point essentially too. Not sure what Hurley would be protecting?
Jack/Locke could hurt each other while the "light was out". I guess the powers could've come back after Jack turned it back on. The crazy woman and Jacob (for a few minutes) were protecting the island from something before the smoke monster existed, so I guess Hurley would still need to protect it from something.
I think the protector protects it from people like Widmore who will try to harness the islands powers
 
Excellent finale for me. The music on this show is fantastic.

My favorite scene was with Hurley and Sayid when Sayid receives his enlightenment.

Ending it with Jack dying in basically the same spot he woke up in the pilot with the eye thing was a nice touch... add the dog, Vincent, to his side... it was great.

I've loved this series and was satisfied with the ending. I'll miss the show.

 
I thought it was a decent finale to an amazing show. I wasn't blown away by the finale. It was somewhat fitting, but also a bit disappointing.

I did think it was a nice touch to have Jack's eye closing with the dog in the jungle to finish it. The island stuff was all great.

The sideways stuff felt a little disappointing, but was okay. I think it was just there to provide a series of touching moments with the awakenings. It served more to remind of how great the show was over it's entirety than actually being a great ending. I guess the needing to meet up to move on from purgatory was okay and it fit in with the "live together, die alone" theme (or maybe it totally didn't, I don't know), but ultimately, it was just disappointing.

I loved the show and want to love the ending, so I'm looking for ways to love the sideways stuff. Ultimately, I'm just don't think I can. I'll just leave it at that. It was a great show. Very ambitious and very entertaining. Great show, but there were alot of meaningless plot points over the years and the sideways ending felt completely tacked on.

 
After 6 years all I can say is I'm glad it's over. I'll sift through the responses in here and try to figure out what I saw last night but I was underwhelmed by it.

 
The bomb makes some sense in the context that you can't blow up the island. You can't kill the smoke monster. You can't stop evil. But when the light went out, all of those things changed, and Richard got a grey hair, and Locke's lip got bloodied and he got shot. It begs the question, what was the light? Was it the stopper on the wine bottle? Was it Jack's life? Was it the same magical power that made Smokey and Richard and Jacob live forever? For those saying the island was real, I don't see any way to reconcile the time travel, magical rules, survive a nuclear bomb, babies can't be born timeline with any sense of reality. Knowing the ending, I don't think I enjoy the show thinking that everything after the plane crash was real. But to each their own.
My question with this will be, can this stuff potentially happen again on the island? Whether it's 2, 100, or thousands of years from now, could there be another person or group of people on the island and one of them becomes the smoke monster? And the other people have to reconcile ways to fight back against that, kill it, etc? Or did Jack essentially end any possibility of that ever happening again?I know there's no answer to this, and it makes it an interesting discussion, just wondering what you all think. I think it can all keep happening again for infinity.
It only ends once, but guess that wasn't it.Room for LOST 2 with Hurley, Ben, and Desmond? :lmao:
 
I don't think Hurley became the protector. I think Jack just did that to comfort him. Weren't the powers of the island useless at that point since notLocke and Jack could

hurt/kill each other? I don't see how some stream water could make Hurley the guy.

Also, black smoke is dead at that point essentially too. Not sure what Hurley would be protecting?
Jack/Locke could hurt each other while the "light was out". I guess the powers could've come back after Jack turned it back on. The crazy woman and Jacob (for a few minutes) were protecting the island from something before the smoke monster existed, so I guess Hurley would still need to protect it from something.
Right. I think that's why they showed us the skeletons down there. To establish with certainty that something had been going on with the island and the light for thousands or maybe millions of years before Jacob (since only the protector can see/find the light source, and presumably Jacob wouldn't have just let people wander down there to hang out) and presumably would continue on forever.
 
Are we to assume that Walt has not died yet and that is why he was not in the finale?

But Christian said some died after Jack didnt he

I could not sleep last night after the show. All I did was think about what had happened. I read this thread, tried to draw my own conclusions and I can honestly say that I am not sure I know what happened. I keep changing my opinion every time I think of another scene

I think for that reason alone, I liked it.
I try not to think too much about Walt. If I try to make sense of anything about Walt, it'll just make me not love the show as much.

Although, in my mind, Walt and Aaron spend their lives trying to destroy the island. (Walt: because the island stole his dog. Aaron: because the island made his mom a nutbag. Plus I seem to remember it being implied about both at some point that they might be the devil reincarnated. I could be totally wrong though).

 
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It's pretty clear that the island was real and sideways world was "something else" otherwise how did any of the oceanic people know Ben and Desmond? What would Locke have to forgive Ben for?

I pretty much loved the finale and am going to miss these characters, which apparently was whatthe series was really about.

Question: what was the significance of the shoe dangling from the tree where Jack finally fell? Whose was it?

 
Why did they show the island underwater at the beginning of the season?
:lmao: Yeah this one mystifies me too, any thoughts?
:goodposting: I was generally really happy with the finale, but this is a huge gaping hole I can't forgive. The opening scene of Season Six set this up as the biggest mystery of the Alt-universe. Why? It's not like it's some question from back in Season Two that they couldn't wrap up in a neat little pacakage. By the time the wrote that episode they knew where they were going. Why deliberately create a huge mystery to open the season and then not bother to resolve it or even reference it?
I think it was just to show what would have happened if MIB/Locke's plan succeeded. Locke said the island would end up on the bottom of the ocean, but Jack saved the island and commissioned Hurley to continue its protection once MIB died. If Locke had succeeded Jack would have never got his redemption... to move on.
 
It's pretty clear that the island was real and sideways world was "something else" otherwise how did any of the oceanic people know Ben and Desmond? What would Locke have to forgive Ben for?

I pretty much loved the finale and am going to miss these characters, which apparently was whatthe series was really about.

Question: what was the significance of the shoe dangling from the tree where Jack finally fell? Whose was it?
I think it was dangling there in the pilot. I think the final island sequence was trying to, as closely as possible, re-create that opening sequence in reverse.
 
How can you not appreciate the fact that the sideways turned out to be purgatory? It's the ultimate nod to the show's zeitgeist. This was a TV drama, not a retelling of an epic tale written beforehand. Plots had to go nowhere, ideas had to be abandoned. characters had to go in different arcs. All of the main players involved with the show have said numerous times they were trying to create a good show, not create a flawless mythology. Actors like Emerson were signed on for 3 episodes and after seeing him and what he could do, they changed a major course and made him the leader of the Others. Changes like that, for the sake of the entertainment of the show, are going to lead to holes in the narrative.

It was show about questions, not a show about answers. And if you accepted the show for what it was, you could enjoy it, like I did. But if you wanted answers, tight plots and rigid mythology then you were doomed to be disappointed. I just wanted to be entertained and have most of it make sense, with the understanding that a TV show is going to be affected by real world influences like writer's strikes, actors getting pissy or DUI's, etc.

The show used devices like flash-forwards, time travel and sideways/purgatory as a way to entertain and tell a good and unique story compared to what we normally see on TV, not as a way to reconcile mysteries and long-term visions. 6 seasons of flashbacks as the only other narrative device would have been boring.

This was someone opening a restaurant and choosing to serve the food they wanted and changing recipes and adding items to the menu as they went along, but still with the goal of running a successful restaurant that kept people coming back. The decor stayed mostly the same, the staff had a few core people while others floated in and out, contributing to both good and bad experiences. But the food was always good, even if there were things on the menu throughout the years that weren't to your taste, and it had a big following of customers that enjoyed going there once a week. While there were other patrons that complained about what was (or wasn't) on the menu or how it was prepared, but still kept coming back. Maybe with the hope that the special dish from their first few visits would finally return.

And how you felt about the last 10 minutes probably says a lot about which type of customer you were.

 
Jack plugged the light-hole and fixed the island... laid in the water for awhile... somehow managed to climb out of the pit and ended up in the creek bed unconscious... then wakes up and walks to the place where he fell down to die... He looks up and sees the plane with Sawyer and crew flying over the island. He's happy they made it.

How many times did the plane circle the island during all that time Jack was busy? Maybe now the plane is "Lost", it just circles the island over and over... (?)

 
It's pretty clear that the island was real and sideways world was "something else" otherwise how did any of the oceanic people know Ben and Desmond? What would Locke have to forgive Ben for?

I pretty much loved the finale and am going to miss these characters, which apparently was whatthe series was really about.

Question: what was the significance of the shoe dangling from the tree where Jack finally fell? Whose was it?
Killing him I suppose
 
How can you not appreciate the fact that the sideways turned out to be purgatory? It's the ultimate nod to the show's zeitgeist. This was a TV drama, not a retelling of an epic tale written beforehand. Plots had to go nowhere, ideas had to be abandoned. characters had to go in different arcs. All of the main players involved with the show have said numerous times they were trying to create a good show, not create a flawless mythology. Actors like Emerson were signed on for 3 episodes and after seeing him and what he could do, they changed a major course and made him the leader of the Others. Changes like that, for the sake of the entertainment of the show, are going to lead to holes in the narrative.It was show about questions, not a show about answers. And if you accepted the show for what it was, you could enjoy it, like I did. But if you wanted answers, tight plots and rigid mythology then you were doomed to be disappointed. I just wanted to be entertained and have most of it make sense, with the understanding that a TV show is going to be affected by real world influences like writer's strikes, actors getting pissy or DUI's, etc.The show used devices like flash-forwards, time travel and sideways/purgatory as a way to entertain and tell a good and unique story compared to what we normally see on TV, not as a way to reconcile mysteries and long-term visions. 6 seasons of flashbacks as the only other narrative device would have been boring. This was someone opening a restaurant and choosing to serve the food they wanted and changing recipes and adding items to the menu as they went along, but still with the goal of running a successful restaurant that kept people coming back. The decor stayed mostly the same, the staff had a few core people while others floated in and out, contributing to both good and bad experiences. But the food was always good, even if there were things on the menu throughout the years that weren't to your taste, and it had a big following of customers that enjoyed going there once a week. While there were other patrons that complained about what was (or wasn't) on the menu or how it was prepared, but still kept coming back. Maybe with the hope that the special dish from their first few visits would finally return.And how you felt about the last 10 minutes probably says a lot about which type of customer you were.
It's even deeper that this restaurant-based metaphor comes from the guy whose username is based on the "old Domino's".
 
It's pretty clear that the island was real and sideways world was "something else" otherwise how did any of the oceanic people know Ben and Desmond? What would Locke have to forgive Ben for?

I pretty much loved the finale and am going to miss these characters, which apparently was whatthe series was really about.

Question: what was the significance of the shoe dangling from the tree where Jack finally fell? Whose was it?
Killing him I suppose
Yes, he forgave him for killing him.
 
How can you not appreciate the fact that the sideways turned out to be purgatory? It's the ultimate nod to the show's zeitgeist. This was a TV drama, not a retelling of an epic tale written beforehand. Plots had to go nowhere, ideas had to be abandoned. characters had to go in different arcs. All of the main players involved with the show have said numerous times they were trying to create a good show, not create a flawless mythology. Actors like Emerson were signed on for 3 episodes and after seeing him and what he could do, they changed a major course and made him the leader of the Others. Changes like that, for the sake of the entertainment of the show, are going to lead to holes in the narrative.It was show about questions, not a show about answers. And if you accepted the show for what it was, you could enjoy it, like I did. But if you wanted answers, tight plots and rigid mythology then you were doomed to be disappointed. I just wanted to be entertained and have most of it make sense, with the understanding that a TV show is going to be affected by real world influences like writer's strikes, actors getting pissy or DUI's, etc.The show used devices like flash-forwards, time travel and sideways/purgatory as a way to entertain and tell a good and unique story compared to what we normally see on TV, not as a way to reconcile mysteries and long-term visions. 6 seasons of flashbacks as the only other narrative device would have been boring. This was someone opening a restaurant and choosing to serve the food they wanted and changing recipes and adding items to the menu as they went along, but still with the goal of running a successful restaurant that kept people coming back. The decor stayed mostly the same, the staff had a few core people while others floated in and out, contributing to both good and bad experiences. But the food was always good, even if there were things on the menu throughout the years that weren't to your taste, and it had a big following of customers that enjoyed going there once a week. While there were other patrons that complained about what was (or wasn't) on the menu or how it was prepared, but still kept coming back. Maybe with the hope that the special dish from their first few visits would finally return.And how you felt about the last 10 minutes probably says a lot about which type of customer you were.
This is another good oneI dont know why I am having trouble articulating my thoughts. Maybe because I have so many running thru my head but you guys are doing a great job of expressing what I can not
 
I also liked the scene with Locke and Ben outside the church. Ben didn't feel he was ready to go inside with the others. He still had things to work out. Seems he got a head start on that during his time on the island as protector with Hurley... since Hurley gave him props for being a good #2.

I kept waiting for Ben to push Hurley down the tunnel, or something.

 
It's pretty clear that the island was real and sideways world was "something else" otherwise how did any of the oceanic people know Ben and Desmond? What would Locke have to forgive Ben for?

I pretty much loved the finale and am going to miss these characters, which apparently was whatthe series was really about.

Question: what was the significance of the shoe dangling from the tree where Jack finally fell? Whose was it?
Killing him I suppose
Yes, he forgave him for killing him.
Locke was trying to kill himself - on the smoke monster's advice - when Ben interrupted him. It turns out that Ben was also acting on the smoke monster's advice. What Ben should have needed forgiveness for was killing Jacob. But I don't know if he was ever going to get that.

 
I don't have an issue with this episode really but looking back at it but I think the real issue is the direction the story took from season 3 on. It seemed like they tried to make the whole show bigger than it needed to be. IF they would have stuck with a bunch of people stuck on a weird island and a host of bad guys, I think the story would have turned out better.
I agree with the producers that the series was always about the characters and their relationships. The island and everything on it was window dressing. What was most important were those characters and how they needed one another. Ultimately, that's what the finale was all about and why it worked so well for me. I think the final scene was perfect. I watched the show because I loved these characters. Whether Island Mystery A, B or C was never solved isn't of importance to me. What was important was what happened to those characters and the finale revolved around all of that. I'm going to miss this show a lot.
:goodposting: :goodposting:
 
I'm seriously leaning toward both the island and the ALT being a construct of Jack's imagination as he was dying on the island after the plane crash. Elaborate, yes, but it does make sense because it satisfies all of the things that Jack wanted in life.

"Everything that happened, happened...in Jack's mind".
As I posted last night, I think that's an interesting idea and one I can see people clinging to. Matthew Fox appears to side in that direction. However, that idea for me negates the importance of the other characters' journeys and limits the show's scope to Jack only. While Jack was my favorite character, I don't embrace the idea of limiting who those characters were and what their journeys were about. For me, it's emotionally unsatisfying to make the entire show about Jack and his path to redemption. I think that's a part of it - a big part, but just a part. And Christian's statement would seem to negate the theory that all of this played out in Jack's mind:

"Everything that's ever happened to you is real."

The writers spelled it all out. What happened on the island happened. That wasn't just Jack's mind at work. The island was real and those people were real and they all needed one another. That's what I believe the show was ultimately about.
Christian also said that he was real, and that they were all real. So "real" doesn't necessarily mean "real" in the sense that you're thinking. "Real" seems to mean life, the afterlife, purgatory, all of it.
 
Are we to assume that Walt has not died yet and that is why he was not in the finale?
Walt wasn't in the finale because the actor who plays him looks like he's about 30 now.Eko wasn't in the finale because the actor who played him didn't like being on the show.I'm not trying to be a smart a** here but I think the answers to these questions are pretty obvious. There are some things outside the control of the people involved with the show.
 
I'll say this Charlotte was smokin hot last night. I don't recall an actress that can go from meh to that hot depending on the window dressing. Reminds me of Charlize Theron in Monster and then in every other movie she's been in.

 
Why did they show the island underwater at the beginning of the season?
:goodposting: Yeah this one mystifies me too, any thoughts?
:goodposting: I was generally really happy with the finale, but this is a huge gaping hole I can't forgive. The opening scene of Season Six set this up as the biggest mystery of the Alt-universe. Why? It's not like it's some question from back in Season Two that they couldn't wrap up in a neat little pacakage. By the time the wrote that episode they knew where they were going. Why deliberately create a huge mystery to open the season and then not bother to resolve it or even reference it?
I think it was just to show what would have happened if MIB/Locke's plan succeeded. Locke said the island would end up on the bottom of the ocean, but Jack saved the island and commissioned Hurley to continue its protection once MIB died. If Locke had succeeded Jack would have never got his redemption... to move on.
I'm trying to wrap my head around this, but I can't, because I was under the impression that "whatever happened, happened." I mean, I'm cool with the alt-universe as purgatory, I'm cool with smoke monsters and time travel and people not aging and the light source and all the unexplained and unexplainable phenomenon. It's part of the show's charm. But I'm not cool with showing the island underwater if the island was never underwater. Especially since that was set up in the opening scene of the season as one of the big mysteries of the season- there's a difference between not explaining a mystery and deliberately presenting your viewers with a giant red herring.Not to pooh-pooh the finale. I loved it, generally. Just hated the fact that they didn't explain that, or at least that my feeble brain can't grasp an explanation.
 

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