*** Official Lost Season 6 *** (2 Viewers)

[Angry Cheesehead]

Here is a post from another board that summarizes it pretty well for me:

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It seems like a lot of people are confused about the ending, I was not, assuming I am correct about it, here is an easy explanation.

Season 1 - They all crashed. All the characters we knew and loved the last 6 years DID NOT DIE HERE! I repeat, they did not die here.

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Season 2 - Stuff happened

Season 3 - Stuff happened

Season 4 - Stuff happened

Season 5 - Stuff happened

Amongst this stuff, lots of people died!

Season 6 - Let's ignore the alt. universe.

More people died. At the end, the Hurley is the new Jacob, the new protector of the island. He may be there for thousands of years, but eventually he will die. Ben is his sidekick, the new Richard, he may be there for thousands of years, and eventually he will die. Desmond is with them, but Hurley will get him off the island, he is the new Jacob, he has powers. Eventually he will die.

Jack died (with Vincent, Matthew Fox's dog in real life, laying next to him, so ****ing sad). Kate, Claire, Sawyer, Lapidus, Miles, and Richard all flew off the island. Let's assume they lived happily ever after, but eventually, they all died too. Everyone dies! That's life for ya, death and taxes are the only two sure things.

Now this is where the opening of Season 6 starts, once everyone is dead. They are all in purgatory. It all begins in the plane because this is where the most important part of their lives began, where they met the most important people they would ever meet, Oceanic Flight 815.

Problem though is, they are dead but not at peace. They all can't move on. They all miss each other. There are too many stones yet unturned. Too many sins not atoned for.

Charlie tried to kill himself, but he couldn't die, he was already dead! When he saw this, he then had a flash of what meant most to him while he was alive . . . Claire. He opens the door for Desmond, and Desmond opened the door for everyone else. Every person had to realize what they all had been through, the giant adventure. They had to see all the sacrifices they made, all the things they did, the HELL they went through, and they had to see it together. Jack was just the last one to figure it out in the afterlife.

Ben couldn't move on just yet. Having Hurley give him a thumbs up and Locke forgiving him wasn't enough. He killed his dad, he killed his daughter, he killed all of Dharmaville! He wasn't ready yet, he needed to atone.

Everyone else though, they were sitting in the church, much like passengers in the plane, and the two most important people, Jack and Locke, were in the front row, on a flight to their ultimate peace.

That was the tv show LOST! It was an adventure about a group of people who were alone, they had no one, they were dubbed a tremendous responsibility, and they were all LOST. In the end, after they saved the world, after they made sacrifices, they were all together in the end, no longer alone, no longer LOST.

I like this recap except if Charlie already was awakened to the sideways/island, why did he have another awakening when Claire and Kate?

He had a partial one. Much like Jack had a bit of a flash with Lock in the hospital room, then again with Kate after the concert, and finally completely after touching his dad's coffin. If you remember, Charlie obviously recognized Claire as the woman from his initial flash when he got onto the stage. It wasn't until they touched that his flash was completed.

 

[Statorama]

I like this recap except if Charlie already was awakened to the sideways/island, why did he have another awakening when Claire and Kate?

maybe he got a small flash like Jack did (touching Locke, etc.) before the big flash later (like Jack by his dad's coffin)ETA: what cheesehead said

 

[packersfan]

This thread is really frustrating to read. I have no idea why most of you even watch the show - you seem to hate it at every turn. A lot of people are criticizing the writers for "mistakes" that aren't actually mistakes as are pointed out later in the thread. A lot of the questions are left unanswered, sure, but I expected that and I'm ok with it. But a lot of the questions WERE answered, and people are #####ing that they weren't. I certainly enjoyed the finale and all 6 seasons. One of the best shows that I've ever watched.

 

[Black Box]

Why did they show the island underwater at the beginning of the season?

Yeah this one mystifies me too, any thoughts?

I was generally really happy with the finale, but this is a huge gaping hole I can't forgive. The opening scene of Season Six set this up as the biggest mystery of the Alt-universe. Why? It's not like it's some question from back in Season Two that they couldn't wrap up in a neat little pacakage. By the time the wrote that episode they knew where they were going. Why deliberately create a huge mystery to open the season and then not bother to resolve it or even reference it?

Still catching up on posts, but I took this to mean that the alt-verse was "dead". A clever foreshadow, if you will, and helps confirm the sideways-world being something other than the island-world.

 

[Iraqi Information Minister]

They just decided that Walt, Widmore, Farraday, time travel, The Others, the Smoke Monster, the numbers, the polar bear…they ALLL were meaningless. Didn’t matter. Has no bearing on anything.

I'm actually OK with a lot of this. How did the polar bear get there? Who cares. The more important point is that polar bears don't belong on tropical islands. Why was the polar bear part of the show? Because it was an early indication that this island was not a normal place.

Queue up the SNL skit with Shatner at the Star Trek convention...

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

They just decided that Walt, Widmore, Farraday, time travel, The Others, the Smoke Monster, the numbers, the polar bear…they ALLL were meaningless. Didn’t matter. Has no bearing on anything.

I'm actually OK with a lot of this. How did the polar bear get there? Who cares. The more important point is that polar bears don't belong on tropical islands. Why was the polar bear part of the show? Because it was an early indication that this island was not a normal place. We can play the why did they do this or that game for a long time. Why did the Dharma initiative have cages with fish biscuits? Why did they create a computer where you had to press the number every 108 minutes or the electromagnetism would blow up, even though it wasn't actually the light? Why were the numbers etched into the hatch didn't bother me, so much as how did the Dharma people choose to plug in 4 8 15 16 23 42 into the computer? It doesn't seem to fit the rest of Dharma's storyline that Jacob told them. And why were they still airdropping food to the Dharma folks? When did that stop, because it seemed like Rose and Bernard were living off of fish? But the Dharma cages suggested that they were here to do some kind of experiments. The computer suggested that they were aware of - and possibly interfering with - the electromagnetism on the island. That they were testing it and doing things to it just like the people in the MIB's day and age. And "it always ends the same". The numbers were the last group that Jacob had identified who could save the island. I don't think the island was "real" in the traditional sense. I think it was their fight with death. I think they died in midair during the plane crash. I think the island was the place where those flawed individuals could face down their flaws. None of the rest of the show makes sense if the island was a real physical place. But the island as a testing ground for each of them makes a lot more sense if the island was the last stop between life and death. Instead of thinking of the island as the stopper for evil to come out of the bottle into the "real world", the island was the stopper for all of them to move on to the afterlife. It wasn't until they passed the island's tests that they were able to move on. And when the light finally went out on all of them, they had been judged and were ready to move on. Desmond and Charlie and Hurley had been redeemed much earlier than the others and were ready to figure out what to do earlier in the show. (And maybe it was a dig at Ana Lucia that even though they brought her back on the show, she had never figured it out, and so she never moved on. It was like Cuse and Lindeloff said, go to hell, Ana Lucia.)

And I think you're ignoring the fact that direct quotes from the finale say or elude to the opposite. As far as the the point TANAC made above, those things were made irrelevant because they don't matter.They've said all along that the mysteries on the island don't matter. The show is about the characters and their relationships with each other.

 

[Buckna]

One thing I don't get was that Penny was in the church. I understand Desmond being in the church, because he ended up having a huge impact on the rest of them, but if we do that, then where were Penny's friends? And why wasn't Locke's fiancee or dad there?

Because it was about these people and their relationships with one another and the important "constants" in their lives. Penny was Desmond's constant so she needed to be there when he moved on. I think for Locke, his constant was Jack, not his father (who probably isn't getting to heaven anyway ) or Helen, whose role in the Sideways world wasn't real.

But he knew Helen in the real world too. But I think you're onto something with the "constants" thing.

I was a little shocked that Charlotte wasn't Faraday's "constant".

It was nice they got that little scene together, but it would have been neat to see her remember him. I don't think we can say she wasn't for certain (it certainly seemed suggested that she was by that scene there though), it just seems the writers didn't think they were important enough to give them that enough screen time to go into that much depth.After all, we don't see Faraday or Lapidus or Charlotte or Miles in the church at the end (or Anna Lucia or Nikki & Paulo or Eko or any number of other characters from the show.) Even though these were important characters to some of the viewers, they weren't really that important to the main cast of Losties apparantely.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I have no idea why most of you even watch the show - you seem to hate it at every turn.

Most of us liked it at one point.

 

[bostonfred]

I like this recap except if Charlie already was awakened to the sideways/island, why did he have another awakening when Claire and Kate?

Charlie had that flash where he realized that this wasn't the "real" world, and he knew things weren't right, but he couldn't move on until he saw Claire. Hurley's girlfriend had a similar moment but it wasn't until she met Hurley that she knew what she was missing.

 

[Porkchop Express]

Anyone care to explain why ... Penny, a woman he didn't even know and met once in passing, was one of the most important people in his life at his "passing on", or why Aaron, someone he last knew as a toddler, was a baby. Or why his moving on purgatory had scenes without him, entirely from other people's point-of-view.

Because the show wasn't about just him.

Duh. But it was his "passing on."

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

Claire looking better on Kimmel than she ever did on Lost, and that is saying something.

just watching it now

 

[Statorama]

Christian Shephard leading the crew into the afterlife? hmmm...

Thought that was addressed with a funny line in the show"Christian Shephard? Really?"

 

[Kiddnets]

Here is a post from another board that summarizes it pretty well for me:

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It seems like a lot of people are confused about the ending, I was not, assuming I am correct about it, here is an easy explanation.

Season 1 - They all crashed. All the characters we knew and loved the last 6 years DID NOT DIE HERE! I repeat, they did not die here.

<a href="http://" target="_blank"></a>

Season 2 - Stuff happened

Season 3 - Stuff happened

Season 4 - Stuff happened

Season 5 - Stuff happened

Amongst this stuff, lots of people died!

Season 6 - Let's ignore the alt. universe.

More people died. At the end, the Hurley is the new Jacob, the new protector of the island. He may be there for thousands of years, but eventually he will die. Ben is his sidekick, the new Richard, he may be there for thousands of years, and eventually he will die. Desmond is with them, but Hurley will get him off the island, he is the new Jacob, he has powers. Eventually he will die.

Jack died (with Vincent, Matthew Fox's dog in real life, laying next to him, so ****ing sad). Kate, Claire, Sawyer, Lapidus, Miles, and Richard all flew off the island. Let's assume they lived happily ever after, but eventually, they all died too. Everyone dies! That's life for ya, death and taxes are the only two sure things.

Now this is where the opening of Season 6 starts, once everyone is dead. They are all in purgatory. It all begins in the plane because this is where the most important part of their lives began, where they met the most important people they would ever meet, Oceanic Flight 815.

Problem though is, they are dead but not at peace. They all can't move on. They all miss each other. There are too many stones yet unturned. Too many sins not atoned for.

Charlie tried to kill himself, but he couldn't die, he was already dead! When he saw this, he then had a flash of what meant most to him while he was alive . . . Claire. He opens the door for Desmond, and Desmond opened the door for everyone else. Every person had to realize what they all had been through, the giant adventure. They had to see all the sacrifices they made, all the things they did, the HELL they went through, and they had to see it together. Jack was just the last one to figure it out in the afterlife.

Ben couldn't move on just yet. Having Hurley give him a thumbs up and Locke forgiving him wasn't enough. He killed his dad, he killed his daughter, he killed all of Dharmaville! He wasn't ready yet, he needed to atone.

Everyone else though, they were sitting in the church, much like passengers in the plane, and the two most important people, Jack and Locke, were in the front row, on a flight to their ultimate peace.

That was the tv show LOST! It was an adventure about a group of people who were alone, they had no one, they were dubbed a tremendous responsibility, and they were all LOST. In the end, after they saved the world, after they made sacrifices, they were all together in the end, no longer alone, no longer LOST.

I like this recap except if Charlie already was awakened to the sideways/island, why did he have another awakening when Claire and Kate?

I took it as Charlie was awakened to the island but didnt awaken as to Claire until he saw her. As for the kids in the church - I assume it wasn't just Jack's purgatory but everyones meeting at the same time - perhaps in the afterworld your heaven is when your kids are babies and there they are....part of me would love to hold my 8 year old as a newborn again.....

 

[Angry Cheesehead]

I have no idea why most of you even watch the show - you seem to hate it at every turn.

Most of us liked it at one point.

So, was it a "pot committed" sort of thing? I'm genuinely trying to understand.I used to like snowboarding at one point, too. But then something went horribly wrong one day and I'm not such a fan anymore. I don't continue to snowboard, all the while complaining that the activity could be so much better if XYZ happened.

 

[AcerFC]

Need a memory refresher. Who was it that looked at the 1970s pic of Dharma and said I saw all these people die

 

[Black Box]

The question that was left unanswered is how that happened. Did the smoke monster exist before the MIB went into the light? Did the MIB land in the light? Did the smoke monster somehow plug up that hole or did something come out of that hole that inhabited him or ?

That is what I'd like to know too. Was smokey trapped down there until MIB landed in the light, which freed him? What is the smoke monster, where did it come from, what is it's story?

I think this was covered in the pop up pilot episode. Something about MIB lost his humanity and something else and the smoke monster was born.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

Need a memory refresher. Who was it that looked at the 1970s pic of Dharma and said I saw all these people die

Richard

 

[Norman Normal]

I have no idea why most of you even watch the show - you seem to hate it at every turn.

Most of us liked it at one point.

Do you frequent S & M parlors?Ow, hit me againOw, hit me againOw, hit me againWalk away dude.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Need a memory refresher. Who was it that looked at the 1970s pic of Dharma and said I saw all these people die

Good question. Don't remember. Hawking?

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

I will be upset if the alt endings are some Kimmel bits

I started to have that feelingLame

I'm kind of surprised anybody took that as being serious.

It was being presented as being legit. I have never once seen the Kimmel show so I didnt know what to expect. Sorry, I guess I am a sucker

yeah, I thought it was supposed to be serious. I don't think it was on the Kimmel show, but that one finale that had Locke in the coffin had 3 alternate endings that were shown exclusively on some talk show with other characters in the coffin; I just remember the one was Sawyer and one was Desmond. I thought we were getting something to that effect

If I had stayed up last night to watch that ####, I would have been livid.

 

[Tiger Fan]

How can you not appreciate the fact that the sideways turned out to be purgatory? It's the ultimate nod to the show's zeitgeist. This was a TV drama, not a retelling of an epic tale written beforehand. Plots had to go nowhere, ideas had to be abandoned. characters had to go in different arcs. All of the main players involved with the show have said numerous times they were trying to create a good show, not create a flawless mythology. Actors like Emerson were signed on for 3 episodes and after seeing him and what he could do, they changed a major course and made him the leader of the Others. Changes like that, for the sake of the entertainment of the show, are going to lead to holes in the narrative.It was show about questions, not a show about answers. And if you accepted the show for what it was, you could enjoy it, like I did. But if you wanted answers, tight plots and rigid mythology then you were doomed to be disappointed. I just wanted to be entertained and have most of it make sense, with the understanding that a TV show is going to be affected by real world influences like writer's strikes, actors getting pissy or DUI's, etc.The show used devices like flash-forwards, time travel and sideways/purgatory as a way to entertain and tell a good and unique story compared to what we normally see on TV, not as a way to reconcile mysteries and long-term visions. 6 seasons of flashbacks as the only other narrative device would have been boring. This was someone opening a restaurant and choosing to serve the food they wanted and changing recipes and adding items to the menu as they went along, but still with the goal of running a successful restaurant that kept people coming back. The decor stayed mostly the same, the staff had a few core people while others floated in and out, contributing to both good and bad experiences. But the food was always good, even if there were things on the menu throughout the years that weren't to your taste, and it had a big following of customers that enjoyed going there once a week. While there were other patrons that complained about what was (or wasn't) on the menu or how it was prepared, but still kept coming back. Maybe with the hope that the special dish from their first few visits would finally return.And how you felt about the last 10 minutes probably says a lot about which type of customer you were.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Why did they show the island underwater at the beginning of the season?

Yeah this one mystifies me too, any thoughts?

I was generally really happy with the finale, but this is a huge gaping hole I can't forgive. The opening scene of Season Six set this up as the biggest mystery of the Alt-universe. Why? It's not like it's some question from back in Season Two that they couldn't wrap up in a neat little pacakage. By the time the wrote that episode they knew where they were going. Why deliberately create a huge mystery to open the season and then not bother to resolve it or even reference it?

Still catching up on posts, but I took this to mean that the alt-verse was "dead". A clever foreshadow, if you will, and helps confirm the sideways-world being something other than the island-world.

I like this relatively simple explanation more than anything I've been able to come up with or read. Still doesn't sit right with me- if you want to establish it as a not-real world, why not pan down to an empty island-less sea? Why pan down to a familiar but now underwater island, which establishes the definite idea that something "happened", and then not explain the happening? But yours is the best explanation I've heard/read for it so far.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I have no idea why most of you even watch the show - you seem to hate it at every turn.

Most of us liked it at one point.

So, was it a "pot committed" sort of thing? I'm genuinely trying to understand.

Yeah, pretty much. I thought the first couple seasons were great. When there were things I didn't understand, I had faith that if I just stuck with it the story would be revealed. As time went on, I lost the confidence that the story would come to a satisfying conclusion, but I had watched enough by that point that I kept watching to the end.

 

[Tiger Fan]

How can you not appreciate the fact that the sideways turned out to be purgatory? It's the ultimate nod to the show's zeitgeist. This was a TV drama, not a retelling of an epic tale written beforehand. Plots had to go nowhere, ideas had to be abandoned. characters had to go in different arcs. All of the main players involved with the show have said numerous times they were trying to create a good show, not create a flawless mythology. Actors like Emerson were signed on for 3 episodes and after seeing him and what he could do, they changed a major course and made him the leader of the Others. Changes like that, for the sake of the entertainment of the show, are going to lead to holes in the narrative.It was show about questions, not a show about answers. And if you accepted the show for what it was, you could enjoy it, like I did. But if you wanted answers, tight plots and rigid mythology then you were doomed to be disappointed. I just wanted to be entertained and have most of it make sense, with the understanding that a TV show is going to be affected by real world influences like writer's strikes, actors getting pissy or DUI's, etc.The show used devices like flash-forwards, time travel and sideways/purgatory as a way to entertain and tell a good and unique story compared to what we normally see on TV, not as a way to reconcile mysteries and long-term visions. 6 seasons of flashbacks as the only other narrative device would have been boring. This was someone opening a restaurant and choosing to serve the food they wanted and changing recipes and adding items to the menu as they went along, but still with the goal of running a successful restaurant that kept people coming back. The decor stayed mostly the same, the staff had a few core people while others floated in and out, contributing to both good and bad experiences. But the food was always good, even if there were things on the menu throughout the years that weren't to your taste, and it had a big following of customers that enjoyed going there once a week. While there were other patrons that complained about what was (or wasn't) on the menu or how it was prepared, but still kept coming back. Maybe with the hope that the special dish from their first few visits would finally return.And how you felt about the last 10 minutes probably says a lot about which type of customer you were.

This is another good oneI dont know why I am having trouble articulating my thoughts. Maybe because I have so many running thru my head but you guys are doing a great job of expressing what I can not

Great posting.What makes this show great is the fact that it stimulates all this solid discussion.It's much easier to have closure with the show if you view it like a novel you had to read/discuss in high school/college than an actual TV show.

 

[packersfan]

Anyone care to explain why ... Penny, a woman he didn't even know and met once in passing, was one of the most important people in his life at his "passing on", or why Aaron, someone he last knew as a toddler, was a baby. Or why his moving on purgatory had scenes without him, entirely from other people's point-of-view.

Because the show wasn't about just him.

Duh. But it was his "passing on."

No, it was everyone passing on. They all moved on together. That's why they were all there and needed to be there. Jack was a central character and he framed the entire series but the story wasn't just about him. It was about all of them. So that's why they were all there together.

 

[Chiwawa]

I loved it, thought it was perfect. Though I do have one gripe with the finale. I'm no pilot, but 747's do not have a reverse gear. Or do they?

How do you think they back away from the gate?

Aren't planes basically towed out by the cars with the guys wearing the funny earphones?

 

[DocGonzo]

On the issue of the Island being underwater in the season opener:As others have mentioned, I was having a bit of a hard time last night figuring out how that fit in. The best I've come up with is that the scene had two purposes:1. I think people who mentioned above that the scene was a red herring are right. However, I don't look at that as a negative. I think a red herring is a useful literary tool. Writers will use it to lead readers (or in this case, viewers) astray long enough to throw them off the trail of what's really going on. It helps preserve mystery. I personally don't have a problem with a red herring. I think it can be a necessary tool to achieve whatever the goal of that particular piece of literature is. The last scene in Season 5 was Juliet detonating Jughead. When Season 6 opens we almost immediately see the island underwater. The logical conclusion, and I think the path the writers wanted us to go down, was that the detonation led to the sinking of the island. This set us up to believe throughout Season 6 that the Sideways World was an actual bone and marrow place, and kept us wondering all along how the two "realities" would eventually be reconciled. So we go through Season 6 with the false assumption that the Sideways World is a real place, and not what, in my interpretation, it turned out to be ... a sort of afterlife "waiting room" where people can gather with those who meant the most to them in life for a journey into whatever afterlife awaits. What we come to find out is that the Sideways World isn't "real." There is no island in that world, and the writers chose to use a visual of the island underwater to represent that idea. We just didn't know it until the very end.2. So the island being underwater has a dual purpose: First, it's a device used to trick us into believing the Sideways World is something that it isn't, and second, and probably much simpler, it's a clue to what's really going on. It simply sets up the "aha" moment at the end. "All along I thought the Sideways World was this, but now I see that it's really this," and the visual of the island underwater was the first clue.So, to summarize, I think that visual was two things at once: A red herring regarding the "realness" of the Sideways World, and a clue to that world's true nature.I don't know how much sense that makes, and I think you have to have interpreted the end the way I did for it to really mean anything, but that's the best I could come up with on the walk in to work.ETA: I meant "season" opener in the first line, not "series."

Why did they show the island underwater at the beginning of the season?

Yeah this one mystifies me too, any thoughts?

I was generally really happy with the finale, but this is a huge gaping hole I can't forgive. The opening scene of Season Six set this up as the biggest mystery of the Alt-universe. Why? It's not like it's some question from back in Season Two that they couldn't wrap up in a neat little pacakage. By the time the wrote that episode they knew where they were going. Why deliberately create a huge mystery to open the season and then not bother to resolve it or even reference it?

Still catching up on posts, but I took this to mean that the alt-verse was "dead". A clever foreshadow, if you will, and helps confirm the sideways-world being something other than the island-world.

Yes. Thank you for saying succinctly part of what I was trying to say in my word stew above.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

Here is a post from another board that summarizes it pretty well for me:

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It seems like a lot of people are confused about the ending, I was not, assuming I am correct about it, here is an easy explanation.

Season 1 - They all crashed. All the characters we knew and loved the last 6 years DID NOT DIE HERE! I repeat, they did not die here.

<a href="http://" target="_blank"></a>

Season 2 - Stuff happened

Season 3 - Stuff happened

Season 4 - Stuff happened

Season 5 - Stuff happened

Amongst this stuff, lots of people died!

Season 6 - Let's ignore the alt. universe.

More people died. At the end, the Hurley is the new Jacob, the new protector of the island. He may be there for thousands of years, but eventually he will die. Ben is his sidekick, the new Richard, he may be there for thousands of years, and eventually he will die. Desmond is with them, but Hurley will get him off the island, he is the new Jacob, he has powers. Eventually he will die.

Jack died (with Vincent, Matthew Fox's dog in real life, laying next to him, so ****ing sad). Kate, Claire, Sawyer, Lapidus, Miles, and Richard all flew off the island. Let's assume they lived happily ever after, but eventually, they all died too. Everyone dies! That's life for ya, death and taxes are the only two sure things.

Now this is where the opening of Season 6 starts, once everyone is dead. They are all in purgatory. It all begins in the plane because this is where the most important part of their lives began, where they met the most important people they would ever meet, Oceanic Flight 815.

Problem though is, they are dead but not at peace. They all can't move on. They all miss each other. There are too many stones yet unturned. Too many sins not atoned for.

Charlie tried to kill himself, but he couldn't die, he was already dead! When he saw this, he then had a flash of what meant most to him while he was alive . . . Claire. He opens the door for Desmond, and Desmond opened the door for everyone else. Every person had to realize what they all had been through, the giant adventure. They had to see all the sacrifices they made, all the things they did, the HELL they went through, and they had to see it together. Jack was just the last one to figure it out in the afterlife.

Ben couldn't move on just yet. Having Hurley give him a thumbs up and Locke forgiving him wasn't enough. He killed his dad, he killed his daughter, he killed all of Dharmaville! He wasn't ready yet, he needed to atone.

Everyone else though, they were sitting in the church, much like passengers in the plane, and the two most important people, Jack and Locke, were in the front row, on a flight to their ultimate peace.

That was the tv show LOST! It was an adventure about a group of people who were alone, they had no one, they were dubbed a tremendous responsibility, and they were all LOST. In the end, after they saved the world, after they made sacrifices, they were all together in the end, no longer alone, no longer LOST.

I like this recap except if Charlie already was awakened to the sideways/island, why did he have another awakening when Claire and Kate?

I think Charlie had flashes of the island world, but he didn't reach that point of acceptance and happiness until he was with Claire. Similar to how Jack had flashed several times until he was fully clued in. I loved the finale. It was a great show and this was a fitting end in my mind. All of the mysteries of the island that weren't answered don't bother me. The island is a metaphor for the fight between good and evil in men. That is all. How it all works really isn't that important to me. It was a great ride and I will miss it.

Best moment of the night was when Juliet said "Kiss me James." "You got it blondie." Sawyer kicks ###.

 

[simey]

Under my theory, when Oceanic went down, they all died. Everything that happened on the island was part of their "redemption" or "letting go" process.

I didn't get the impression that they all died in the plane crash. Christian Shephard told Jack that his life on the island was real. It was the most important time in his and the others lives. They all eventually died at some point in time, whether it was on the island or somewhere else. It seemed the sideways world was a type of purgatory. There was no "now" there. They all reconnected in this purgatory and found redemption and forgiveness, and they now can move on. I think Ben still couldn't forgive himself so he chose to remain in purgatory. That's what I took from the finale.

 

[Lehigh98]

Another one:

Did anyone else say "Doh!" when Sawyer showed up just long enough to tell MIB that Jack was the new protector and they were no longer candidates (so that Locke may be allowed to kill them now). Way to play things close to the vest, Mr. Bigtime Conman.

 

[saintsfan]

I still don't know how I feel.

I'm leaning toward disappointment. Here's the thing.

If I think of last night as only an ending for season 6, then it makes total sense.

However, it feels like the first 5 seasons were for nothing. Yes, I enjoyed the ride and yes I loved the characters and no I didn't expect an answer to every question.

I don't care about the polar bears or the cages or the hatches. However, what's the deal with the numbers?? Why were they on the hatch?? Why were those numbers chosen to punch into the computer? How did Hurley happen to win the lottery with those numbers?? What did that crazy guy in the loony bin mean when he said Hurley "opened the box."

What about pregnancy on the island?? What about Widmore? What's the deal with the donkey wheel??

Just so many questions left unanswered. I don't know. Feel like I wasted my time.

 

[Statorama]

With the island underwater thing, the only trouble I have is reconciling the underwater island with the "above water" island in the last scene.

Or is that an even other alt-universe where Jack doesn't put the plug in where the light was? ack

 

[Kiddnets]

Why did they show the island underwater at the beginning of the season?

Yeah this one mystifies me too, any thoughts?

I was generally really happy with the finale, but this is a huge gaping hole I can't forgive. The opening scene of Season Six set this up as the biggest mystery of the Alt-universe. Why? It's not like it's some question from back in Season Two that they couldn't wrap up in a neat little pacakage. By the time the wrote that episode they knew where they were going. Why deliberately create a huge mystery to open the season and then not bother to resolve it or even reference it?

Still catching up on posts, but I took this to mean that the alt-verse was "dead". A clever foreshadow, if you will, and helps confirm the sideways-world being something other than the island-world.

I like this relatively simple explanation more than anything I've been able to come up with or read. Still doesn't sit right with me- if you want to establish it as a not-real world, why not pan down to an empty island-less sea? Why pan down to a familiar but now underwater island, which establishes the definite idea that something "happened", and then not explain the happening? But yours is the best explanation I've heard/read for it so far.

I took it as the facts that the island didnt exist for the characters in the side flashes - how it ceased to exist was not important.

 

[Lehigh98]

Anyone else get a little nervous that Ben was in the background when Jack was telling Hurley how he should be / deserved to be the next protector of the island and passed the responsibility? Was thinking Ben would jump in at some point to say or do something to say it should be him. But maybe that was to illustrate him letting go of his jealousy that he mentioned to Locke in the sideways world. Also nice to see him risk his life to save Hurley's when the tree fell.

Was still a little nervous for Hurley at that point when Jack was getting the water ready, you never know with Ben.

 

[Dr. No]

With the island underwater thing, the only trouble I have is reconciling the underwater island with the "above water" island in the last scene.Or is that an even other alt-universe where Jack doesn't put the plug in where the light was? ack

yeah, i really don't know what happened with the bomb and the underwater island, etc.Did detonating that bomb cause or prevent the Incident? Does any of that even matter?

 

[menobrown]

Lost did not answer all the questions and I'm still not sure what I saw last night. What I do know is Lost entertained me, surprised me and was the most thought provoking show I've ever seen. If you can accomplish that you accomplished a great deal. I'll miss the show and the characters involved.

I'd give some deeper thoughts but we already have a lot of that going on around here so only other thing I'll add is that I know I'd follow black dress wearing Kate to the afterlife.

 

[Statorama]

Under my theory, when Oceanic went down, they all died. Everything that happened on the island was part of their "redemption" or "letting go" process.

I didn't get the impression that they all died in the plane crash. Christian Shephard told Jack that his life on the island was real. It was the most important time in his and the others lives. They all eventually died at some point in time, whether it was on the island or somewhere else. It seemed the sideways world was a type of purgatory. There was no "now" there. They all reconnected in this purgatory and found redemption and forgiveness, and they now can move on. I think Ben still couldn't forgive himself so he chose to remain in purgatory. That's what I took from the finale.

Christian also had a bunch of new age mumbo jumbo about how none of us are really "here"

 

[Nick Vermeil]

With the island underwater thing, the only trouble I have is reconciling the underwater island with the "above water" island in the last scene.Or is that an even other alt-universe where Jack doesn't put the plug in where the light was? ack

yeah, i really don't know what happened with the bomb and the underwater island, etc.Did detonating that bomb cause or prevent the Incident? Does any of that even matter?

Pretty sure the bomb going off was the incident.

 

[Statorama]

Anyone else get a little nervous that Ben was in the background when Jack was telling Hurley how he should be / deserved to be the next protector of the island and passed the responsibility? Was thinking Ben would jump in at some point to say or do something to say it should be him. But maybe that was to illustrate him letting go of his jealousy that he mentioned to Locke in the sideways world. Also nice to see him risk his life to save Hurley's when the tree fell.Was still a little nervous for Hurley at that point when Jack was getting the water ready, you never know with Ben.

I think it was Ben finally starting to "get it" after having killed Jacob

 

[Angry Cheesehead]

OK. So, I'm gonna try to sum up my thoughts as best as possible with a very few lines.

For the last 2 seasons, I have come to a realization about LOST. No matter what explanation I got about the mysteries of the island, they weren't going to be good enough. I was going to be disappointed with something, or would have liked something a different way. So, I started focusing less on the mysteries, and more on the people involved, and the struggles that they were going through. I developed a "relationship" with each of the people, for better or for worse. While I am a little bit disappointed that we didn't get all the answers, I'm also very glad that we didn't. It allows me to form my own theories about why things happen the way that they happen on the island. In just talking with my friends that watched the show, we share some of the same theories, and we disagree about others. That is a thing of beauty to me, and really could be a metaphor for life. We don't truly know why things are the way they are...they just are. Everyone has their own ideas, and no one can really prove which one is correct. I think that (inadvertently) that is what LOST captured.

I enjoyed the finale overall. It gave me what I needed from the show.

 

[Lehigh98]

They just decided that Walt, Widmore, Farraday, time travel, The Others, the Smoke Monster, the numbers, the polar bear…they ALLL were meaningless. Didn’t matter. Has no bearing on anything.

I'm actually OK with a lot of this. How did the polar bear get there? Who cares. The more important point is that polar bears don't belong on tropical islands. Why was the polar bear part of the show? Because it was an early indication that this island was not a normal place.

Not sure why some of these things are even listed as issues. For the polar bears, Dharma brought them as part of their experiments (they were kept in the very cages you go on to mentione later). I think people are dwelling on things that either were explained to some degree but they missed or didn't like or things that didn't really matter to the overall show. Sure there were some things I'd still like to know but that doesn't take away too much from the whole experience for me.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

The LOST writers did a great job of bringing Stephen King's Dark Tower series to TV.

 

[caabeel]

I still don't know how I feel.I'm leaning toward disappointment. Here's the thing.If I think of last night as only an ending for season 6, then it makes total sense.However, it feels like the first 5 seasons were for nothing. Yes, I enjoyed the ride and yes I loved the characters and no I didn't expect an answer to every question.I don't care about the polar bears or the cages or the hatches. However, what's the deal with the numbers?? Why were they on the hatch?? Why were those numbers chosen to punch into the computer? How did Hurley happen to win the lottery with those numbers?? What did that crazy guy in the loony bin mean when he said Hurley "opened the box."What about pregnancy on the island?? What about Widmore? What's the deal with the donkey wheel??Just so many questions left unanswered. I don't know. Feel like I wasted my time.

This is the camp I'm in. I enjoyed the series overall. I read the threads here and looked at a few site forums. But I tried not to think to hard because I knew a lot of it wouldn't make sense.But there were a few questions that seemed important that weren't answered. And I felt the end was somewhat confusing. So for now, my disappointment will be held in check until I watch the extras on DVD. After that, I'll decide if I want to think about it anymore and whether or not I wasted my time.

 

[Statorama]

One thing that I think is going to tick off a segment of the viewing public for this show was the "Faith Vs. Science" setup they created where Faith "won".

 

[Darth Cheney]

Are we to assume that Walt has not died yet and that is why he was not in the finale?

Walt wasn't in the finale because the actor who plays him looks like he's about 30 now.Eko wasn't in the finale because the actor who played him didn't like being on the show.I'm not trying to be a smart a** here but I think the answers to these questions are pretty obvious. There are some things outside the control of the people involved with the show.

Logistically this is true. Storyline wise...I imgaine that the writers would say that Eko made his peace and moved into the light on the island when he confronted the monster and that Walt wasn't dead yet.

 

[Jayrok]

Everyone has their own ideas, and no one can really prove which one is correct.

I think this sums it up and, for me, what makes this such a great show. Getting people to talk around the water cooler about a TV show usually means good things for the program. It sure has accomplished that.

 

[Porkchop Express]

Anyone care to explain why ... Penny, a woman he didn't even know and met once in passing, was one of the most important people in his life at his "passing on", or why Aaron, someone he last knew as a toddler, was a baby. Or why his moving on purgatory had scenes without him, entirely from other people's point-of-view.

Because the show wasn't about just him.

Duh. But it was his "passing on."

No, it was everyone passing on. They all moved on together. That's why they were all there and needed to be there. Jack was a central character and he framed the entire series but the story wasn't just about him. It was about all of them. So that's why they were all there together.

No they werent all there. And it still doesnt explain the ridiculous sideways narrative.

 

[packersfan]

No they werent all there. And it still doesnt explain the ridiculous sideways narrative.

Who wasn't there? All of the survivors were there who were ready to move on. Michael wasn't there because he was stuck in limbo on the island. That's been addressed. Walt wasn't there because Michael wasn't there. That seems pretty clear to me. Not sure who else you think should have been there.As far as the Sideways world, that was also explained quite clearly and it worked for me.

 

[Kiddnets]

Everyone has their own ideas, and no one can really prove which one is correct.

I think this sums it up and, for me, what makes this such a great show. Getting people to talk around the water cooler about a TV show usually means good things for the program. It sure has accomplished that.

I agree - but I did like it better than the Sopranos where you have no clue whatsoever despite that $#@# Chase saying "its all there" - this finale gave enough hints in the last 10 minutes to put things together while still leaving it open to some interpretation - the more I think about it the more I like it....Have the creators given any serious interviews yet> Wonder if they will explain their vision or just leave it open ala ChaseWhat is it about a TV show you love wrapping up that leaves you so empty the next day....the older I get it hits me harder.

 

[shader]

Question: what was the significance of the shoe dangling from the tree where Jack finally fell? Whose was it?

I think that the fact that the shoe looked old and weathered is intented to be a reinforcement that it wasn't all just a dream.Two more things I think they blew it on: Neither Aaron nor Penny should have been in the Church.

Aaron was there because he died in the plane crash? (I'm guessing babies are always ready to "move on" when the time is right?) ETA: but couldn't move on until Claire was ready?The Penny thing....remember when Ben said "He doesn't get to save his daughter"? Did this keep Widmore from convincing Desmond not to lead her to the church (like Eloise did re: Faraday?)

Aaron didn't die in the plane crash. He got off the island on Penny's boat with the Oceanic 6.

Under my theory, when Oceanic went down, they all died. Everything that happened on the island was part of their "redemption" or "letting go" process.

Alot of people are saying that. But I totally disagree. As Jack was dying, he saw the plane that held Sawyer and Kate fly overhead. If he was in reality just laying there after the plane crash, that plane makes no sense. Also, as he was laying there he was grabbing his side where he was stabbed.The island being a dream makes no sense, and I can't figure out why so many today think that's what happened.