Darth Cheney
Footballguy
as far as the "no babies on the island"....weren't they trying to infer that that radioactivity from Jughead was the reason?
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Black Box
Footballguy
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
It's kind of along the lines of Donnie Darko.... Jack lays down in the exact place he woke up in and the end shows the wreckage of the plane. I don't think it's it....but I can understand why people would think it.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Read Stephen Kings The Dark Tower series and then the other books that splinter off. Then go back and watch LOST and you will see how much LOST is similar if not connected to Kings world.
Black Box
Footballguy
I think their take was that they are not mutually exclusive, and you need both.But that is my take as well, so that just might be my POV speaking
packersfan
Footballguy
I agree. Whereas "The Sopranos" was muddled and ineffective, "Lost" was clear, concise and fitting. I think everything was spelled out very clearly, unlike "The Sopranos" ending which in my opinion was a bit of a convoluted mess.
Lindeloff Tweeted last night. They've said they plan on embarking upon some "radio silence" for awhile but both have said they'll probably end up doing interviews about it at some point. I also hope they talk more as opposed to how Chase has handled it.
Statorama
Footballguy
Seeing that plane fly out made Jack feel like what he had done had real merit, and his actions on "the island" had a good consequences?
packersfan
Footballguy
He also saw the plane leave the island and he looks older than he did at the beginning.
Black Box
Footballguy
Re: Walt is special.
I've always thought that when the Others gave Walt back, they said something about how they tested him, and it wasn't working out for him or something. I took that to mean that the Others screwed up and that Walt wasn't actually special.
Don't know why that is in my head, and it is pretty much a cop out if true. Can anyone confirm?
I've always thought that when the Others gave Walt back, they said something about how they tested him, and it wasn't working out for him or something. I took that to mean that the Others screwed up and that Walt wasn't actually special.
Don't know why that is in my head, and it is pretty much a cop out if true. Can anyone confirm?
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Desmond only gave her that dress, where did she get those high heels? We need answers!?!
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
I'm "Ok" with it too. I don't need answers or spelled out explanations for all those things and it was clear for years that those weren't coming. Just a little closure. Not addressing a big part of the show was disappointing. I'm sticking with my "finale was half great, half horrible" take.
shader
Footballguy
?? So he imagined the whole thing and saw an imaginary plane flying overhead that allowed his "fake actions" to make him feel good before he died?If Jack imagined the whole thing, then none of them really knew each other and what was the point of the entire show?I don't buy it. It makes no sense.
packersfan
Footballguy
I can see why people want to believe that but the writers specifically told us the island's events were real. People can believe what they want but when the writers provide us with a clear answer I'm not going to disregard it.
packersfan
Footballguy
Bingo. Having it all be in Jack's imagination negates everything the finale was telling us and had told us for six seasons. The show wasn't about Jack. It was about all of them. The finale spelled that out in big, bold letters.
Black Box
Footballguy
Another thought floating around in my head regarding the unresolved threads.
I am reading Stoker's Dracula right now. There is a ton of stuff in there that I could throw out questions about... where did Dracula come from? Why does drinking his blood turn people into vampires? Why does garlic ward him off? How can he read the thoughts of his minions? Etc, etc.
But Stoker never led his audience to believe that all that stuff would be resolved. Whether on purpose or on accident, the writers of Lost did lead their audience in that direction. For me, I can let go (pun intended) and treat the series as a novel... some stuff is just there, and that is just the way it is.
Internal inconsistencies are another matter, which I chalk over to sloppy writing or the creative TV process... you can't go back and rewrite portions of the story to tighten it up as you can do with a novel.
I am reading Stoker's Dracula right now. There is a ton of stuff in there that I could throw out questions about... where did Dracula come from? Why does drinking his blood turn people into vampires? Why does garlic ward him off? How can he read the thoughts of his minions? Etc, etc.
But Stoker never led his audience to believe that all that stuff would be resolved. Whether on purpose or on accident, the writers of Lost did lead their audience in that direction. For me, I can let go (pun intended) and treat the series as a novel... some stuff is just there, and that is just the way it is.
Internal inconsistencies are another matter, which I chalk over to sloppy writing or the creative TV process... you can't go back and rewrite portions of the story to tighten it up as you can do with a novel.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
It was a great show with a good ending. The ending fit and was nice to see more explained. I will have to rewatch it to grasp the whole show again though.
I won't say much about the show but if people are interested, I quickly thought of two other pieces of work that involve similar aspects to LOST, now that we know the ending to it.
First, Six Feet Under came to mind as I was watching the show. The overall theme of that show is not hidden nor do they try to hide it, but the themes for both are similar and done very well. Each show makes you examine relationships and the important parts of life rather than the mundane drudgery we all go through yet no one will ever understand our lives because they are our lives. That is what Jack went through. The Smoke Monster is/was Jack's manifestation with his unknown. His personal demons and he took the form of Locke for Jack's own reasons. Maybe Locke was Jack's last patient he did fix in real life, maybe Locke's words hit home to Jack in real life, or maybe Locke was the last patient that died on the surgery table that Jack operated on. The point is we do not know nor understand it because that is Jack's life and we can only evaluate it by what we see as we cannot feel what Jack felt. We can empathize with Jack based on our own experiences but that is still not to the level of what Jack feels. In that regard, I am thinking of Bruce Lee in the movie Dragon and how they depict his own demons.
Second, there is a real important couple chapters in the third book of His Dark Materials that brought similar feelings to me as I watched LOST. Not to give too much away but that series also dove into relationships and how important they were... on a much more micro scale as the books are intended for pre-teen/teenager audience. The chapters are very powerful and attempt to explain death, relationships, and how people are in a way that fit that story. Needless to say, that series also depicted the afterlife as a wayward journey until there was some meaning put into it.
I will rewatch the show, not right away, but I will because of the impact it has had on my life. It is not a great impact but it is a show that is better, to me, than The Wire (never seen it). And, that is the point of the show I think. LOST brought millions of people from around the globe together for an hour or so a week and we all could share something together yet we all interpreted things differently. Smoke monsters, Egyptian Gods, hatches, boats, whatever... they are all pointless in our mundane lives but we all could share them. That is what the Losties did in the church at the end. They went through their lives, if they lived, and cared for whomever they cared for but the shared experiences they had were what grounded them, what kept them who they were, what showed them who they were, and gave them aspects of life that no one could ever imagine unless they went through it. Much like WWII vets, Vietnam vets, and so on.
Six Feet Under did a great job with death on an interpersonal level and LOST did a great job with death in a group, struggle with reality type of way. Great series and a great way to end it.
I won't say much about the show but if people are interested, I quickly thought of two other pieces of work that involve similar aspects to LOST, now that we know the ending to it.
First, Six Feet Under came to mind as I was watching the show. The overall theme of that show is not hidden nor do they try to hide it, but the themes for both are similar and done very well. Each show makes you examine relationships and the important parts of life rather than the mundane drudgery we all go through yet no one will ever understand our lives because they are our lives. That is what Jack went through. The Smoke Monster is/was Jack's manifestation with his unknown. His personal demons and he took the form of Locke for Jack's own reasons. Maybe Locke was Jack's last patient he did fix in real life, maybe Locke's words hit home to Jack in real life, or maybe Locke was the last patient that died on the surgery table that Jack operated on. The point is we do not know nor understand it because that is Jack's life and we can only evaluate it by what we see as we cannot feel what Jack felt. We can empathize with Jack based on our own experiences but that is still not to the level of what Jack feels. In that regard, I am thinking of Bruce Lee in the movie Dragon and how they depict his own demons.
Second, there is a real important couple chapters in the third book of His Dark Materials that brought similar feelings to me as I watched LOST. Not to give too much away but that series also dove into relationships and how important they were... on a much more micro scale as the books are intended for pre-teen/teenager audience. The chapters are very powerful and attempt to explain death, relationships, and how people are in a way that fit that story. Needless to say, that series also depicted the afterlife as a wayward journey until there was some meaning put into it.
I will rewatch the show, not right away, but I will because of the impact it has had on my life. It is not a great impact but it is a show that is better, to me, than The Wire (never seen it). And, that is the point of the show I think. LOST brought millions of people from around the globe together for an hour or so a week and we all could share something together yet we all interpreted things differently. Smoke monsters, Egyptian Gods, hatches, boats, whatever... they are all pointless in our mundane lives but we all could share them. That is what the Losties did in the church at the end. They went through their lives, if they lived, and cared for whomever they cared for but the shared experiences they had were what grounded them, what kept them who they were, what showed them who they were, and gave them aspects of life that no one could ever imagine unless they went through it. Much like WWII vets, Vietnam vets, and so on.
Six Feet Under did a great job with death on an interpersonal level and LOST did a great job with death in a group, struggle with reality type of way. Great series and a great way to end it.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
If I was Sawyer, I would have given her a thorough good bye ####### in a confessional booth."no, leave the heels on baby"
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
not the popular view point, but over and over again the writers said the show was about the characters. None of the other props really matter. An unanswered question is simply a prop they no longer needed to use.
shader
Footballguy
LOL. Good point. You can do this with most science fiction. Science fiction writers aren't required to tell you in detail HOW the amazing things happen. They just do and you accept it and enjoy the story.
Chiwawa
Footballguy
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Porkchop Express
Footballguy
Lapidus, Ilona, Walt, Eko, Miles, Arzt, Widmore, etc. Apparently none will ever be ready to move on because as Jack's dad put it, time doesnt matter there.Jack has a made-up son to help him find the other people who meant most to him, a completely fictional son... but Jin and Sun don't even get a placeholder child after all Sun went through? And Aaron is trapped as a baby and has to go to (heaven/reincarnation/whatever the bright light is) without even growing up to the toddler we KNOW he was before? Was the island the most important thing for Aaron too? Does he even remember it? Is Lost giving us a subtly pro-life message by indicating that the fetus Sun is carrying is actually a viable substitute for the little girl she hugged and played with? Puh-lease.Why are there new characters in "heaven" reality? You're not gonna convince me that Jack's kid was just another creation of fantasy, but apparently that's what the show would have us believe: that all the new characters are red herring "filler" for an alternate reality.Apparently the heaven reality was designed for one purpose: to pull the wool over your eyes. There's no other reason for it. It's a meaningless sidetrack. Really, what was the import of it? Nope. It's just a mechanism for a twist-an unexpected reveal at the end, and nothing more. Lame. I'm disappointed. Was that last twist necessary? Why couldn't they have left that out and simply acknowledged that this was a separate reality, where people who once lived another life came together under happier circumstances, then close curtain. Sometimes the simple happy ending is best. There's no need to reinvent the Sixth Sense.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Jayrok
Footballguy
This thought occured to me too. The pilot of the plane, among all the other people, died so that Jacob could bring in a few candidates to the island for his own purposes? He said the candidates were selected because they had issues in their lives and they needed the island like it needed them. Those bystanders who died as collateral damage were just in the wrong place at the wrong time? If Jacob was special why couldn't he make it where the candidates were the only ones on the plane? The detective who arrested Kate, etc. I guess sacrifices were made, but it sucks to be them.
packersfan
Footballguy
Ilona? You're upset with the finale because she wasn't there? Honestly? All of the characters you mentioned are peripheral characters except for Walt (more on him in a bit). They played their parts but they weren't pivotal in the lives of the survivors' ability to move on. Of the primary characters, the only one on your list who wasn't there was Walt and we can explain that logically by saying the actor who plays him now looks like he's about 30 and it would skew the story to bring him back. Or we can explain it within the story confines by saying that he wasn't there because Michael wasn't there. Either way works for me. As far as the others, I honestly think you're nitpicking and you're reaching to find flaws.
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bostonfred
Footballguy
I agree. This was my take last night immediately after the show:
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Simply put, The Wire means nothing to me. Don't watch it, don't care for the content, will not dwell on it when it leaves. That is the point. People Flocke to similar interests. Like Chris Rock said, "a drug dealer and a religious person in a relationship will not work out." The island, the plane crash, that is what bonded these people and why reconnecting with them is the most important part of their life... even if/when in death.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
One explanation - also Jacob loses candidates when they become a mom - I thought that may have been an explanation as well.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Either you do not get the point of the show as well as the concept of it or you are trying to be funny and not even understand the show. Not sure which is which so move along now.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
There is waaaay too much to make fun of here.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Need I quote your posts to point at and laugh as well? Sorry you do not understand the concept of the show. Move along.
bostonfred
Footballguy
In the last six years, we've seen great advancements from a lot of people, from Kate to Sawyer to Hurley to Locke to scottybo to Truckiwawa to Obama and everyone else. But the only thing that seems to have changed about PsychologyKev is his username. Stay gold, ponyboy.
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Tough As Nails
Glave Master
It brought me together with you for an hour a week. You can never take that away from me.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
What does that have to do with The Wire (never seen it)?Simply put, The Wire means nothing to me. Don't watch it, don't care for the content, will not dwell on it when it leaves. That is the point. People Flocke to similar interests. Like Chris Rock said, "a drug dealer and a religious person in a relationship will not work out." The island, the plane crash, that is what bonded these people and why reconnecting with them is the most important part of their life... even if/when in death.
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
This was all actually touched on already, when Locke saw him leaving school, and said he didn't need to go back, he had already had enough of the island and should be allowed to live his life. That people kept waiting for him to come back and feel that he is "unresolved" is quite comical.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Move along.
tribecalledjeff
Footballguy
I like Cheerios much better than Raisin Bran. Though, I've never had Raisin Bran.Either you do not get the point of the show as well as the concept of it or you are trying to be funny and not even understand the show. Not sure which is which so move along now.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Again, move along.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
First off, I think anyone who enjoyed LOST should check out the Dark Tower books.Second (and without any spoilers or put in tags) which ending did you think was better / more satisfying? LOST or Dark Tower?
bostonfred
Footballguy
Remember when the grownups were talking about Lost in here? That was awesome.
Iraqi Information Minister
Footballguy
So much of the unanswered elements can be chalked up quite simply as Hitchcockian McGuffin's.
And so on, and so on...
Why can't they make babies? - Because it introduces Juliet as an interesting character.Why time travel? - Because it shuffles the deck and puts the characters in a differently interesting situation.
And so on, and so on...
AcerFC
Footballguy
will try to get to barnes and nobles today
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
BUT I CAN'T LET GO!
packersfan
Footballguy
Good point. Walt's story already had ended. What's impressive to me is how little ambiguity there really was with the characters. The island itself still has many unsolved mysteries and as I posted last night I'm fine with that. Doesn't bother me in the least. But the characters and their relationships all were clear and the finale resolved them for us. That's one of the many things I loved about the episode. It laid it all out and didn't intentionally dodge any important answers about who these people were and why they were important to one another.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Over the years I have told my wife time and time again that LOST was nothing more than a rip off of the Dark Tower series and after seeing the ending last night, that pretty much confirmed it. I knew JJ was a huge fan of King and I thought he would do a great job at doing DT since he had six years to practice on LOST.
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