**** OFFICIAL **** LOST - The TV Series (1 Viewer)

[oso diablo]

That was Adabese from OZ that threw them in the pit....I wouldnt think that would be her husband because I couldnt see him marrying her...I think he would be somewhat younger.

I thought i saw another black man in that crew (besides the OZ guy). He looked like he could be Rose's husband. A little older, a little fatter.

 

[(HULK)]

Alright. I've given it some thought and my thought is that letting the timer reach zero will cause nothing to happen. Mainly, I think this because of the "orientation" film. Who is going to agree to go live in a hatch for 2 years and not know what their job entails until they get down there? That doesn't make a lick of sense. Wouldn't the hatch employees know what they're doing there before they get there? I think so. That film makes me think its all just and experiment on people.

 

[(HULK)]

That was Adabese from OZ that threw them in the pit....I wouldnt think that would be her husband because I couldnt see him marrying her...I think he would be somewhat younger.

I thought i saw another black man in that crew (besides the OZ guy). He looked like he could be Rose's husband. A little older, a little fatter.

For some reason, I keep thinking Rose's husband will end up being a white guy.

 

[RedRaiders]

I think Jack's whole attitude last night was shaped by whatever happened between him and his wife.  He got real emotional when she was mentioned.  I think there is some sort of link between Jack / his wife and his whole attitude towards faith; something more than just the surgury that allowed her to walk.

I think it has to do with how they got apart.Are they divorced? Is he a widow? What happened there is key... and when too...

I think she left him, I don't know why I think that but it is sticking in my head.

Based on the way he reacted to talking about her throughout the show, my guess is she is dead.

I agree. It is almost like he has become a cynic. He went through all of the miracles of saving her and getting her to walk again and then something traumatic had to happen and he is completely jaded now. I am pretty sure that he never had a wedding ring on at the beginning of the show, so the marriage was no more when he was searching for his dad in Australia.

He mentions to the girl in the pit before the flight (in the bar) that he "was" married - but no more. That is the only mention of the split before last night's episode.

 

[Alias]

Alright. I've given it some thought and my thought is that letting the timer reach zero will cause nothing to happen. Mainly, I think this because of the "orientation" film. Who is going to agree to go live in a hatch for 2 years and not know what their job entails until they get down there? That doesn't make a lick of sense. Wouldn't the hatch employees know what they're doing there before they get there? I think so. That film makes me think its all just and experiment on people.

This makes the most sense.

 

[porkins]

Alright. I've given it some thought and my thought is that letting the timer reach zero will cause nothing to happen. Mainly, I think this because of the "orientation" film. Who is going to agree to go live in a hatch for 2 years and not know what their job entails until they get down there? That doesn't make a lick of sense. Wouldn't the hatch employees know what they're doing there before they get there? I think so. That film makes me think its all just and experiment on people.

Why would a company make a new orientation film after "something goes wrong" at the research facility? They never mention what the consequences would be if they don't enter the numbers. I agree that nothing will happen and it is part of some experiment to see how long people will do that for.

 

[Sack-Religious.]

Information on The Third Policeman - Bolding, compliments of me.

Link

The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien

By no means recently published, Flann O’Brien’s The Third Policeman will, nevertheless, be perpetually new. The literary equivalent of a Tesla invention, The Third Policeman is an astonishingly great book that is so intricate, so improbably effective, that one cannot tell, merely by looking, what makes it tick. The story is a strange dream-journey that at times is so substantial that the reader will find himself double-checking the thickness of the book itself, amazed that the whole thing fits in so slim a volume. If anything, the book presents a problem in that it leaves a reviewer with little to say, beyond a couple paragraphs of repetitive praise.

In The Third Policeman, our hero and narrator, a nameless young man with a wooden leg, assists in a money-motivated killing, and, after trying to retrieve the stashed goods some time later, passes into a strange otherness -- a place that superficially resembles the Irish countryside, but which casually disobeys the normal laws of How Things Work. He encounters a small building of impermanent and shifting geometry which turns out to be the local barracks -- it is here that he meets the policemen. The novel has that special quality -- the fantastic made believable, yet retaining its power to amaze -- that is the hallmark of authors like Borges, Kafka, or Barthelme. The events are alternately frightening, baffling, and hilarious, and are brought into three dimensions by perfect, musical prose.

Much of the book’s humor comes from references to the fictional physicist ‘de Selby’, a sort of anti-Newton whose completely absurd theories sound almost plausible in the framework of the novel’s demonic logic. De Selby, noting that light takes a portion of time, however small, to reach its target, came upon the idea that if a network of mirrors were aligned properly a viewer could actually see into the past through a series of repeated reflections:

“What he states to have seen through his glass is astonishing. He claims to have noticed a growing youthfulness in the reflections of his face according as they receded, the most distant of them -- being the face of a beardless boy of twelve, and, to use his own words, ‘a countenance of singular beauty and nobility’.”

Among de Selby’s other arguments are the existence of night as passing clouds of black, volcanically produced pollution; the idea that all names originate from descriptive, prehistoric grunts (and that by decoding this system of grunts, one could ascertain another’s appearance merely by studying their name); the possibility that the Earth is not a sphere, but an ovoid; and the nature of sleep as a series of minor heart attacks (brought on by exposure to the black air).

But de Selby is merely a side story. The main of the book is devoted to the solution of our young hero’s mystery, and to the further mystery of the bizarre policemen which populate the world he has wandered into. The policemen speak in an infectious, over-wrought dialogue that you’ll have to take care not to pick up yourself. They invent devices that turn noise into electricity. They take gauge readings in a subterranean, industrial version of eternity. I don’t want to delve too far into this storyline, rather I urge you to discover it for yourself. You’ll never ride a bicycle again.

Published by Dalkey Archive press (named after another O’Brien book), The Third Policeman, although not O’Brien’s most famous book, is one that must not be allowed to be forgotten. More images are painted in its 200 pages than in the massive Pulitzer contenders of today, more fantasy and dream than in a million pages of Tolkien or Rowling. Reading this book will actually improve your imagination, your speech, your intelligence. And you’ll lose weight (provided you don’t eat until you finish). Far fetched claims, I know, but they’ll hold true within the strange laws of The Third Policeman, as sure as the Earth is sausage-shaped.

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So, here we've got mentions of black clouds, albeit somewhat out of context of LOST, inventions that turn noise into electricity. The explosion type sounds of the "security system"? And a mention of a network of mirrors. There was a network of mirrors in the hatch looking toward the hatch - towards the past?

 

[porkins]

Can we put to rest the people that argue the symbol is a snake? The training movie says it's a swan.

 

[stbugs]

Information on The Third Policeman - Bolding, compliments of me.

Link

The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien

By no means recently published, Flann O’Brien’s The Third Policeman will, nevertheless, be perpetually new. The literary equivalent of a Tesla invention, The Third Policeman is an astonishingly great book that is so intricate, so improbably effective, that one cannot tell, merely by looking, what makes it tick. The story is a strange dream-journey that at times is so substantial that the reader will find himself double-checking the thickness of the book itself, amazed that the whole thing fits in so slim a volume. If anything, the book presents a problem in that it leaves a reviewer with little to say, beyond a couple paragraphs of repetitive praise.

In The Third Policeman, our hero and narrator, a nameless young man with a wooden leg, assists in a money-motivated killing, and, after trying to retrieve the stashed goods some time later, passes into a strange otherness -- a place that superficially resembles the Irish countryside, but which casually disobeys the normal laws of How Things Work. He encounters a small building of impermanent and shifting geometry which turns out to be the local barracks -- it is here that he meets the policemen. The novel has that special quality -- the fantastic made believable, yet retaining its power to amaze -- that is the hallmark of authors like Borges, Kafka, or Barthelme. The events are alternately frightening, baffling, and hilarious, and are brought into three dimensions by perfect, musical prose.

Much of the book’s humor comes from references to the fictional physicist ‘de Selby’, a sort of anti-Newton whose completely absurd theories sound almost plausible in the framework of the novel’s demonic logic. De Selby, noting that light takes a portion of time, however small, to reach its target, came upon the idea that if a network of mirrors were aligned properly a viewer could actually see into the past through a series of repeated reflections:

“What he states to have seen through his glass is astonishing. He claims to have noticed a growing youthfulness in the reflections of his face according as they receded, the most distant of them -- being the face of a beardless boy of twelve, and, to use his own words, ‘a countenance of singular beauty and nobility’.”

Among de Selby’s other arguments are the existence of night as passing clouds of black, volcanically produced pollution; the idea that all names originate from descriptive, prehistoric grunts (and that by decoding this system of grunts, one could ascertain another’s appearance merely by studying their name); the possibility that the Earth is not a sphere, but an ovoid; and the nature of sleep as a series of minor heart attacks (brought on by exposure to the black air).

But de Selby is merely a side story. The main of the book is devoted to the solution of our young hero’s mystery, and to the further mystery of the bizarre policemen which populate the world he has wandered into. The policemen speak in an infectious, over-wrought dialogue that you’ll have to take care not to pick up yourself. They invent devices that turn noise into electricity. They take gauge readings in a subterranean, industrial version of eternity. I don’t want to delve too far into this storyline, rather I urge you to discover it for yourself. You’ll never ride a bicycle again.

Published by Dalkey Archive press (named after another O’Brien book), The Third Policeman, although not O’Brien’s most famous book, is one that must not be allowed to be forgotten. More images are painted in its 200 pages than in the massive Pulitzer contenders of today, more fantasy and dream than in a million pages of Tolkien or Rowling. Reading this book will actually improve your imagination, your speech, your intelligence. And you’ll lose weight (provided you don’t eat until you finish). Far fetched claims, I know, but they’ll hold true within the strange laws of The Third Policeman, as sure as the Earth is sausage-shaped.

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So, here we've got mentions of black clouds, albeit somewhat out of context of LOST, inventions that turn noise into electricity. The explosion type sounds of the "security system"? And a mention of a network of mirrors. There was a network of mirrors in the hatch looking toward the hatch - towards the past?

I sure hope this isn't where we are heading. I don't see anything there that has any semblance to real scientific theory. I really hope this is another red herring. I hope the producers happened upon a book that talked about black clouds and thought that this would be funny because a bunch of Lost would be reading the book just to try and figure things out if they showed it in the show and leaked something to USA Today. Think about it, it is one of the most popular shows and kind of a cultural phenomenon, you sure don't see many CSI forums/discussions, so USA Today would be more than willing to print something they thought was a scoop even if it was complete crap.

 

[stbugs]

Can we put to rest the people that argue the symbol is a snake? The training movie says it's a swan.

Since we haven't seen all of the expirements, we might come across a snake, but yes there should be absolutely no question on the swan symbol in this hatch.

 

[(HULK)]

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/images/

Its definitely an ABC/Disney site.

I've been digging around, and I can see that there is supposed to be a "remote viewing" training video hidden somewhere. If you look at the image's index, you can see the evidence for that.

Still haven't found the video yet though.

 

[BoltzNBrew]

The founder of DHARMA from the movie had a bushy beard, right?  Didn't the guy on the boat that took Walt have a bushy beard as well? It was longer and more grey, but if the "movie" was shot years ago, it could make sense.

Ethan,

The Other guy on the boat is definitely not the Alvar Hanso guy. The Other guy is a pretty well known B-list actor, known in a sense that you don't know his name but you have seen him in lots of shows/movies. He doesn't look anything like the guy on the Hanso web site.

I didn't say the guy in the boat was Alvor Hanso. Hanso is the benefactor of the DHARMA project. He gave the 2 researchers (sorry, I forget their names now) from the university in California the money to set it up. The 2 researchers are shown in the movie a couple times. A woman and a man. The man had a big bushy beard. Leading me to believe that this guy went to the island to observe the experiments. This is why they have guns, boats, etc.Also, the black lady they showed in the previews is "Rose"

OK, it's on, Tivo time!I have a digital camera so i should actually be able to pull it off. Also, the researcher shown wasn't the same guy as the boat guy either. I just remember the boat guy because he is a well known enough actor, like the guy who is Locke's dad. They are both people you would recognize, but not know their names, such as Locke's dad was the bar owner in Roadhouse that hired Patrick Swayze.

Locks "Dad" is Kevin Tighe who most notably played Roy DeSoto in the 70's TV show Emergency!.

 

[17seconds]

OK, last nights show definitely had some WTF moments. Some of the writing is really starting to piss me off.So Jack is chasing after the dude from the hatch with a gun and all the guy has to do is mention his wife and Jack breaks down? What kind of #### is this guy?What was the debate about pushing the button?!!? Push the damned thing like the guy has been doing for years and then talk about pushing it during the next 107 minutes.And they manage to fix a fried Apple IIe with no spare partis in 3 minutes. riiiight...

 

[AllTheTeaInChina]

OK, last nights show definitely had some WTF moments. Some of the writing is really starting to piss me off.

So Jack is chasing after the dude from the hatch with a gun and all the guy has to do is mention his wife and Jack breaks down? What kind of #### is this guy?

What was the debate about pushing the button?!!? Push the damned thing like the guy has been doing for years and then talk about pushing it during the next 107 minutes.

And they manage to fix a fried Apple IIe with no spare partis in 3 minutes. riiiight...

but Sayid used to interrogate people when he was in the republican guard.

 

[porkins]

Check out what the Germans have found. Who's the blond?

Is that Jack's wife?

 

[(HULK)]

Transcript of the film:

"Welcome I'm Dr. Marvin Candle, and this is the orientation film for Station 3 (warble) of the Dharma Initiative.In a moment you will be given (warble) simple set of instructions for how you and your partner will fulfill the responsibilities associated with this station. But first a little history:The Dharma Initiative was created in 1970 and is the brainchild of Gerald and Karen Degroot. Two doctoral candidates at the University of Michigan. Following in the footsteps (warble) of visionaries such as B.F. Skinner (warble) imagined a large scale communal research compound where scientists and free thinkers from around the globe could pursue research in meteorlogy, psychology, parapsychology, zoology, elecrtomagnetism and utopian social (big warble and skip)....reclusive Danish industrialist and munitions magnate Alvar Hanso, whose financial backing made their dream of a multipurpose social science research facility a reality.You and your partner are currently located at Station 3 or The Swan, and will be for the next 540 days. Now Station 3 was originally constructed as a laboratory where scientists could work to understand the unique electromagnetic fluctuations emanating from this sector of the island.Not long after the experiments began however, there was....an incident. And since that time the following protocal has been observed: Every 108 minutes the button must be pushed. From the moment the alarm sounds you will have four minutes to enter the code into the microcomputer processor. (warble and skip)....induction into the program. When the alarm sounds either you or your parnter must input the code. It is highly recommended that you and your partner take alternating shifts. In this manner you both will stay as fresh as and alert.....(warble and skip) of utmost importance that when the alarm sounds the code be entered correctly and in a timely fashion. Now do not attempt to use the computer for any (thing ???) (big warble and skip)Congratulations, until your replacements arrive the future of the project is in your hands. On behalf of the Degroots, Alvar Hanso, and all of us at the Dharma Initiative. Thank you. Namaste, and good luck."

 

[stbugs]

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/images/

Its definitely an ABC/Disney site.

I've been digging around, and I can see that there is supposed to be a "remote viewing" training video hidden somewhere. If you look at the image's index, you can see the evidence for that.

Still haven't found the video yet though.

I looked at every HTML source of all of the pages and I saw nothing unless there is a page that is there, but we don't know about it. I saw the images you are referring to, but again, there were no hidden links on any of the pages you can get to from the home page. I even tried di.html since all of the other project pages are the initials like that.

 

[(HULK)]

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/images/

Its definitely an ABC/Disney site.

I've been digging around, and I can see that there is supposed to be a "remote viewing" training video hidden somewhere.  If you look at the image's index, you can see the evidence for that.

Still haven't found the video yet though.

I looked at every HTML source of all of the pages and I saw nothing unless there is a page that is there, but we don't know about it. I saw the images you are referring to, but again, there were no hidden links on any of the pages you can get to from the home page. I even tried di.html since all of the other project pages are the initials like that.

Right now, my best guess is that videos and more stuff are forthcoming, but not up there yet.

 

[Brewdude]

Ok.. I have a few pages to read, but I literally just said "Whoa!" out loud when Jin talked in the previews!

Really, I remember that from last season that there was a rumor that Jin spoke perfect English. Although, I would have to say that it would have been a good time to break into it when he was getting chased by the Others. That means, that it might actually be a dream sequence or he is hiding something else.

Exactly what I told my wife. If he speaks English, he'd start doing it with three lives on the line.Her response was "unless he's infected..."

 

[Brewdude]

SHARK SYMBOL ON THE SHARK

Screencap of shark tattoo/brand.

Looking at that symbol, it doesn't look like there are bars around the outside. I think other than being a hexagon, they are completely different. This means that not only the swan is an indicator of the experiment, but so is the Fung Shui symbolism.

 

[Sack-Religious.]

And they manage to fix a fried Apple IIe with no spare partis in 3 minutes. riiiight...

Yes there were some WTF moments. But, Desmond was looking around the hatch for some jar of parts and Sayid himself said that the motherboard was replaced, IRRC.

 

[Tick]

Can we put to rest the people that argue the symbol is a snake? The training movie says it's a swan.

And the idea that it's not an island. The video referred to the hatch being on a sector of the island.

 

[Sack-Religious.]

SHARK SYMBOL ON THE SHARK

Screencap of shark tattoo/brand.

Looking at that symbol, it doesn't look like there are bars around the outside. I think other than being a hexagon, they are completely different. This means that not only the swan is an indicator of the experiment, but so is the Fung Shui symbolism.

I can make out one set of bars at the bottom of the logo at the "6 O'clock" spot. Everything else is rather blurry.

 

[stonegossard]

I'm torn right now over last night's show. On one hand I can't believe that the Jack/Desmond "wow, I remember you scene" was over and done with in like 90 seconds like it was perfectly understandable that they would meet up again randomly on this island after a plane crash and some guy doing number punching. But at the same time, all of this Dharma stuff and talks about a giant experiment have made me forget about the really mysterious stuff going on previously that just isn't answered by this "experiement" yet. --The Numbers obviously are important and bigger than just a simple code (what about all of the Hurley stuff and the previous Numbers people?)--How they all tie in together is still very curious and too coincedental--Locke's paralysis is still a very interesting mystery--Walt obviously has powers and an interesting "agenda"--"The Monster" or security system or whatever

 

[Sack-Religious.]

Transcript of the film:

"Welcome I'm Dr. Marvin Candle, and this is the orientation film for Station 3 (warble) of the Dharma Initiative.

In a moment you will be given (warble) simple set of instructions for how you and your partner will fulfill the responsibilities associated with this station. But first a little history:

The Dharma Initiative was created in 1970 and is the brainchild of Gerald and Karen Degroot. Two doctoral candidates at the University of Michigan. Following in the footsteps (warble) of visionaries such as B.F. Skinner (warble) imagined a large scale communal research compound where scientists and free thinkers from around the globe could pursue research in meteorlogy, psychology, parapsychology, zoology, elecrtomagnetism and utopian social (big warble and skip)....reclusive Danish industrialist and munitions magnate Alvar Hanso, whose financial backing made their dream of a multipurpose social science research facility a reality.

You and your partner are currently located at Station 3 or The Swan, and will be for the next 540 days. Now Station 3 was originally constructed as a laboratory where scientists could work to understand the unique electromagnetic fluctuations emanating from this sector of the island.

Not long after the experiments began however, there was....an incident. And since that time the following protocal has been observed: Every 108 minutes the button must be pushed. From the moment the alarm sounds you will have four minutes to enter the code into the microcomputer processor.

(warble and skip)

....induction into the program. When the alarm sounds either you or your parnter must input the code. It is highly recommended that you and your partner take alternating shifts. In this manner you both will stay as fresh as and alert.....(warble and skip) of utmost importance that when the alarm sounds the code be entered correctly and in a timely fashion. Now do not attempt to use the computer for any (thing ???)

(big warble and skip)

Congratulations, until your replacements arrive the future of the project is in your hands. On behalf of the Degroots, Alvar Hanso, and all of us at the Dharma Initiative. Thank you. Namaste, and good luck."

A co-worker of mine says she heard a completely different voice than the Doctor in the film after one of the warbles. I chalked it up to the warble, but she's convinced.There seems to be "convenient" warbles at key parts of the film and the mention of Utopian Social (warble) makes me think of the LOTF stuff even more.

The Alpha male(s) of the survivors we know are generally "good" people in Jack, Sayid and Locke. Sawyer isn't as bad as he's made out to be, IMO.

However, if the back-half survivors were dominated by a "bad" alpha male, such as the Adebisi character (whether he's a survivor of the drug plane, flight 815, or other mishap), perhaps they're becoming more savage as the other group does in LOTF. That's a pretty good social experiment, although I think it's been researched a fair amount over the years, anyway.

 

[Buckychudd]

Transcript of the film:

scientists and free thinkers from around the globe could pursue research in meteorlogy, psychology, parapsychology, zoology, elecrtomagnetism and utopian social (big warble and skip)....

Ok, I've been thinking about this and the Ba-gua diagram. Are there eight stations/experiments each relating to one of the eight trigrams?http://www.bartlettdesigns.com/fengshui-baguaoctagon.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagua_%28concept%29

So is the rest of the series going to be about them exploring the trigrams/experiments/stations?

I think the black and white rocks relate to the Yin-Yang concept.

 

[Brewdude]

I cannot believe that folks are complaining about too much info when the complaint was not enough prior.  Good lord.

Pretty sure I've never logged this complaint. I like the pace the show was on.

I am not sure how you can think that they revealed too much. I feel like all we did was blow bast what is in the hatch to a bigger mystery, like WTF is the hatch there for, what was the company doing and what other experiments are there and where are they?I almost wished Jack hadn't hit the button, because maybe he was right, it is just a big mind #### and they are now responsible for keeping it going.

Also, where the heck was our good buddy Desmond going? He sure seemed to know where he was headed. They said he crashed his boat (round the world trip, was it a boat?) and Kelvin found him, so obviously Kelvin was wandering around. Maybe Desmond's boat is still there and he was taking off to get off the island. It sure didn't seem like he knew enough to have been in on a "con" to get the survivors to take over the button pushing, but if he was in on a "con", he did a damn fine job indeed.

IMO, that move was a critical step to the storyline. As the timer was ticking down I was trying to think what I'd do. Jack thinks it's a mind game, but now he's part of keeping it going. IMO, he decided to do it because he doesn't know enough about what's going on to make a decision and you may as well keep things going as they have been if you don't know what a change will do.Now they have to figure out what's up and combining that with manning the hatch to handle the numbers (and eat the food) will become a central plot theme.

 

[Tick]

A co-worker of mine says she heard a completely different voice than the Doctor in the film after one of the warbles. I chalked it up to the warble, but she's convinced.

There seems to be "convenient" warbles at key parts of the film and the mention of Utopian Social (warble) makes me think of the LOTF stuff even more.

The Alpha male(s) of the survivors we know are generally "good" people in Jack, Sayid and Locke. Sawyer isn't as bad as he's made out to be, IMO.

However, if the back-half survivors were dominated by a "bad" alpha male, such as the Adebisi character (whether he's a survivor of the drug plane, flight 815, or other mishap), perhaps they're becoming more savage as the other group does in LOTF. That's a pretty good social experiment, although I think it's been researched a fair amount over the years, anyway.

Everyone's assuming Adebisi is the leader... why wouldn't it be Analucia?

 

[E-Z Glider]

What I did find interesting was that if you click the links that tell you that you're not authorized to view them, in the the final salutation is the word "Namaste" Namaste is a Hindu greeting. I found this about the meaning of Namaste

" In Sanskrit "Namas" means, "bow, obeisance, reverential

salutation." It comes from the root Nam, which carries meanings

of bending, bowing, humbly submitting and becoming silent. "Te"

means "to you." Thus "namaste" means "I bow to you." the act of

greeting is called "Namaskaram," "Namaskara" and "Namaskar" in

the varied languages of the subcontinent."

If DHARMA was set up in the 70's, this is a time when Eastern religions/philosophies were quite popular and it just goes to show the lengths that the producers are going with these - pseudo-sites.

My wife picked up on this "Namaste" thing right away. They say it at the end of all of her Yoga classes and she was told that it meant "Go in peace".

 

[Incogneto]

Transcript of the film:

"Welcome I'm Dr. Marvin Candle, and this is the orientation film for Station 3 (warble) of the Dharma Initiative.

In a moment you will be given (warble) simple set of instructions for how you and your partner will fulfill the responsibilities associated with this station. But first a little history:

The Dharma Initiative was created in 1970 and is the brainchild of Gerald and Karen Degroot. Two doctoral candidates at the University of Michigan. Following in the footsteps (warble) of visionaries such as B.F. Skinner (warble) imagined a large scale communal research compound where scientists and free thinkers from around the globe could pursue research in meteorlogy, psychology, parapsychology, zoology, elecrtomagnetism and utopian social (big warble and skip)....reclusive Danish industrialist and munitions magnate Alvar Hanso, whose financial backing made their dream of a multipurpose social science research facility a reality.

You and your partner are currently located at Station 3 or The Swan, and will be for the next 540 days. Now Station 3 was originally constructed as a laboratory where scientists could work to understand the unique electromagnetic fluctuations emanating from this sector of the island.

Not long after the experiments began however, there was....an incident. And since that time the following protocal has been observed: Every 108 minutes the button must be pushed. From the moment the alarm sounds you will have four minutes to enter the code into the microcomputer processor.

(warble and skip)

....induction into the program. When the alarm sounds either you or your parnter must input the code. It is highly recommended that you and your partner take alternating shifts. In this manner you both will stay as fresh as and alert.....(warble and skip) of utmost importance that when the alarm sounds the code be entered correctly and in a timely fashion. Now do not attempt to use the computer for any (thing ???)

(big warble and skip)

Congratulations, until your replacements arrive the future of the project is in your hands. On behalf of the Degroots, Alvar Hanso, and all of us at the Dharma Initiative. Thank you. Namaste, and good luck."

Something This evil could only come from one place....University of Michigan :OhioStFan:

 

[porkins]

Everyone's assuming Adebisi is the leader... why wouldn't it be Analucia?

Cause she's a girl.

 

[Brewdude]

Locke was playing Jack, he intentionally put in the 32 so that Jack would correct him, that was his way to lure him.  Sure you can go to the videotape and say "but Jack was not in the scene yet", I am telling you Locke is smarter then you think.

I disagree. It was Hurley that knew it was wrong, but hates the numbers so much that he thinks entering them is worse than not. Locke had the numbers told to him one time in a pretty chaotic scene with a gun pointed to his head. It isn't like he was a brilliant mathematician, so I don't think he had that much foresight. The importance of Jack was that he screwed up his only good relationship with Helen because he couldn't get over what his dad did to him, so he is trying so hard to keep the faith, thus his attempt at the walk about. That is why he said to Jack that it was a two man job and that he needed help. He finally got what Helen tried to get him to understand in the flashback.

That scene was more about character development than advancement of the plot.

 

[stbugs]

Ok.. I have a few pages to read, but I literally just said "Whoa!" out loud when Jin talked in the previews!

Really, I remember that from last season that there was a rumor that Jin spoke perfect English. Although, I would have to say that it would have been a good time to break into it when he was getting chased by the Others. That means, that it might actually be a dream sequence or he is hiding something else.

Exactly what I told my wife. If he speaks English, he'd start doing it with three lives on the line.Her response was "unless he's infected..."

I wouldn't buy that yet. I don't think anyone from the survivors is infected. Heck we don't even know if that is real now based on all of the expiremental stuff we just found out.I think Jin would have spoke English since his own life was on the line at that point. Also, it seems like a lot of the teasers are done to throw us off. Remember the whole Shannon getting grabbed by the Monster preview? If Jin spoke English, it would seem like that would be much more surprising to not show it in the preview, versus showing us that in a sequence and then we find out it was just a dream, etc.

 

[stbugs]

I cannot believe that folks are complaining about too much info when the complaint was not enough prior.  Good lord.

Pretty sure I've never logged this complaint. I like the pace the show was on.

I am not sure how you can think that they revealed too much. I feel like all we did was blow bast what is in the hatch to a bigger mystery, like WTF is the hatch there for, what was the company doing and what other experiments are there and where are they?I almost wished Jack hadn't hit the button, because maybe he was right, it is just a big mind #### and they are now responsible for keeping it going.

Also, where the heck was our good buddy Desmond going? He sure seemed to know where he was headed. They said he crashed his boat (round the world trip, was it a boat?) and Kelvin found him, so obviously Kelvin was wandering around. Maybe Desmond's boat is still there and he was taking off to get off the island. It sure didn't seem like he knew enough to have been in on a "con" to get the survivors to take over the button pushing, but if he was in on a "con", he did a damn fine job indeed.

IMO, that move was a critical step to the storyline. As the timer was ticking down I was trying to think what I'd do. Jack thinks it's a mind game, but now he's part of keeping it going. IMO, he decided to do it because he doesn't know enough about what's going on to make a decision and you may as well keep things going as they have been if you don't know what a change will do.Now they have to figure out what's up and combining that with manning the hatch to handle the numbers (and eat the food) will become a central plot theme.

I know, I don't want the show to end right now, it was more of a I wish he didn't because I think it is all a game, but then again the video was from 1980, so it may have started as an experiment and is no longer that at all.I am surprised that no one mentioned Charlie getting pissed at Hurley. I really think Charlie is going to turn somehow and become a bad person. I don't know why I feel that way, but based on his flashbacks, it seemed like he really needed religion to be a good guy, but once he was exposed to drugs he became a bad person rather quickly.

 

[Brewdude]

OK, last nights show definitely had some WTF moments. Some of the writing is really starting to piss me off.

So Jack is chasing after the dude from the hatch with a gun and all the guy has to do is mention his wife and Jack breaks down? What kind of #### is this guy?

What was the debate about pushing the button?!!? Push the damned thing like the guy has been doing for years and then talk about pushing it during the next 107 minutes.

And they manage to fix a fried Apple IIe with no spare partis in 3 minutes. riiiight...

"The guy" also happens to be the guy that gave Jack the determination to "fix her." This isn't a random Joe saying "are you married?"What was Jack supposed to do, continue holding him at gunpoint? What had he done to even deserve that? It's clear his intent is not to harm. Jack was an #### for even pointing it at him.

 

[Brewdude]

I'm torn right now over last night's show. On one hand I can't believe that the Jack/Desmond "wow, I remember you scene" was over and done with in like 90 seconds like it was perfectly understandable that they would meet up again randomly on this island after a plane crash and some guy doing number punching. But at the same time, all of this Dharma stuff and talks about a giant experiment have made me forget about the really mysterious stuff going on previously that just isn't answered by this "experiement" yet.

--The Numbers obviously are important and bigger than just a simple code (what about all of the Hurley stuff and the previous Numbers people?)

--How they all tie in together is still very curious and too coincedental

--Locke's paralysis is still a very interesting mystery

--Walt obviously has powers and an interesting "agenda"

--"The Monster" or security system or whatever

I think this may be tied to the magnatism. The right magnetic energy and his nerves are able to make the connection, but when he got far away (the drug plane), he struggled. Just a thought.BTW, props to the Germans for finding the blonde. I don't know who it is, but I doubt he's an accidental extra.

 

[RedRaiders]

I'm torn right now over last night's show.  On one hand I can't believe that the Jack/Desmond "wow, I remember you scene" was over and done with in like 90 seconds like it was perfectly understandable that they would meet up again randomly on this island after a plane crash and some guy doing number punching.  But at the same time, all of this Dharma stuff and talks about a giant experiment have made me forget about the really mysterious stuff going on previously that just isn't answered by this "experiement" yet. 

--The Numbers obviously are important and bigger than just a simple code (what about all of the Hurley stuff and the previous Numbers people?)

--How they all tie in together is still very curious and too coincedental

--Locke's paralysis is still a very interesting mystery

--Walt obviously has powers and an interesting "agenda"

--"The Monster" or security system or whatever

I think this may be tied to the magnatism. The right magnetic energy and his nerves are able to make the connection, but when he got far away (the drug plane), he struggled. Just a thought.BTW, props to the Germans for finding the blonde. I don't know who it is, but I doubt he's an accidental extra.

He took Sayid back to the plane though and had no issues.

 

[Brewdude]

We don't have TIVO , so we couldn't do this, but my wife was pointing out that there was a lot of static in the film and that some of the static may be clues.

 

[stonegossard]

One thing I just thought of...Desmond asked Locke if anyone was "sick". Nothing in the orientation film talked about any sickness. There must be some sort of outside communication or interaction for Desmond to have known about a "sickness". Of course, Kelvin could have died of the "sickness" but regardless, there is more to the Desmond story than we realize.

 

[Mahoney]

What was in the jar that Desmond grabbed out of his locker and then Jack grabbed to get him to talk? I'm sure it isn't important, but it just seemed like a strange thing to have in there.

Also, is there any relevence to the girl in the picture with Desmond? I freeze framed it but didn't recognize her.

Also......according to IMDB the guy playing "Bernard" is some guy named Sam Johnson, not the guy from Oz.

Can we stop wondering why Rose would be married to him now?

 

[bryhamm]

One thing I just thought of...Desmond asked Locke if anyone was "sick". Nothing in the orientation film talked about any sickness. There must be some sort of outside communication or interaction for Desmond to have known about a "sickness". Of course, Kelvin could have died of the "sickness" but regardless, there is more to the Desmond story than we realize.

Or he was just making an assumption based on the word "quarantine" on the inside of the hatch.

 

[Sack-Religious.]

Did anyone catch the wording at the end of the film? My co-worker caught it, but it passed so quickly she couldn't catch it. Screencap?

 

[Capella]

Did anyone catch the wording at the end of the film? My co-worker caught it, but it passed so quickly she couldn't catch it. Screencap?

Something like © DHARMA, 1980, all rights reserved

 

[BoltzNBrew]

Did anyone catch the wording at the end of the film?  My co-worker caught it, but it passed so quickly she couldn't catch it.  Screencap?

Something like © DHARMA, 1980, all rights reserved

yeah it was something like that. 1980 was in there for sure.

 

[Sack-Religious.]

A co-worker of mine says she heard a completely different voice than the Doctor in the film after one of the warbles.  I chalked it up to the warble, but she's convinced.

There seems to be "convenient" warbles at key parts of the film and the mention of Utopian Social (warble) makes me think of the LOTF stuff even more.

The Alpha male(s) of the survivors we know are generally "good" people in Jack, Sayid and Locke.  Sawyer isn't as bad as he's made out to be, IMO.

However, if the back-half survivors were dominated by a "bad" alpha male, such as the Adebisi character (whether he's a survivor of the drug plane, flight 815, or other mishap), perhaps they're becoming more savage as the other group does in LOTF.  That's a pretty good social experiment, although I think it's been researched a fair amount over the years, anyway.

Everyone's assuming Adebisi is the leader... why wouldn't it be Analucia?

Good point. Must be my latent chauvenism. What, if anything, do we remember from her conversation with Jack at the airport?

 

[Sack-Religious.]

Did anyone catch the wording at the end of the film?  My co-worker caught it, but it passed so quickly she couldn't catch it.  Screencap?

Something like © DHARMA, 1980, all rights reserved

yeah it was something like that. 1980 was in there for sure.

I saw that very distinctly at the beginning of the film, but not at the end. Maybe it was the same thing. My bad.

 

[Capella]

Did anyone catch the wording at the end of the film?  My co-worker caught it, but it passed so quickly she couldn't catch it.  Screencap?

Something like © DHARMA, 1980, all rights reserved

yeah it was something like that. 1980 was in there for sure.

I saw that very distinctly at the beginning of the film, but not at the end. Maybe it was the same thing. My bad.

The beginning just had something like ORIENTATION: 3 of 6, the swan. The 1980 was at the end.

 

[kaso]

I agree that the Desmond piece of this isn't over. He has to know more about what's going on and more about the history of the island and the shelter. At the very least he would have to know what Kelvin told him.And for him to start running away like that, well he seemed to have an idea of where he was going.... So he must know something about the island.

 

[PC Load Letter]

Ok.. I have a few pages to read, but I literally just said "Whoa!" out loud when Jin talked in the previews!

Really, I remember that from last season that there was a rumor that Jin spoke perfect English. Although, I would have to say that it would have been a good time to break into it when he was getting chased by the Others. That means, that it might actually be a dream sequence or he is hiding something else.

Exactly what I told my wife. If he speaks English, he'd start doing it with three lives on the line.Her response was "unless he's infected..."

Jin speaking English screencapSpoiler!

Look!  He's at a Packers game!

 

[Tick]

One thing I just thought of...Desmond asked Locke if anyone was "sick".  Nothing in the orientation film talked about any sickness.  There must be some sort of outside communication or interaction for Desmond to have known about a "sickness".  Of course, Kelvin could have died of the "sickness" but regardless, there is more to the Desmond story than we realize.

Or he was just making an assumption based on the word "quarantine" on the inside of the hatch.

Any thoughts on the injections he's taking?He knows more than he said. That medicine isn't a trivial thing.