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Not necessarily. They don't have to use that place as HQ. And they could always capture him and jail him, which would lead to a future possibility of him excaping, or the inevitable scenario where Coulson needs some info so they go to Ward for help (very likely imo. Rather common theme in Marvel to have the good guys and bad guys have a common enemy and work together)
Seems to me like it's the only logical conclusion to his story given all the SHIELD agents he's now killed. However, I find it hard to believe the plan all along was to turn him evil and kill him off. I know Joss Whedon's not the showrunner but he has a history of keeping his bad guys around and ultimately turning them into good guys. He did it twice on Buffy - Angel went from good to bad to good again and Spike went from bad to good. Like Rove said they're planting seeds which paint a picture of Ward being conflicted to some degree. I doubt that's just there for window dressing.
But on the flip side, during the "Browncoats unite - Firefly reunion" show a while back, Joss mentioned that he had no qualms with killing a main character should they prove to be unpopular with the show's audience (with Jayne being the most likely choice as filming started. This led to Baldwin going for a sort of lovable lug character portrayal with Jayne)
Good point. I know many/most here don't like Ward but is he disliked by most of the fan base? He is the second male lead behind Coulson.
Yes, at least as far as people reviewing/blogging about the show. He's been really unpopular right from the beginning.
They've been dropping them all along.
no, but they will be able to build toward the May 1, 2015 release of Avengers 2: Age of Ultron in S2 which should provide some interesting possibilities....
I also have not seen The Winter Soldier, but I think my perspective is 100% different than yours. If you're going to set a show in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, then the things that happen in other movies in the Marvel Cinematic Universe should absolutely affect that show.
Good points and the more I thought about my post the more conflicted I was with how I felt. I agree a show set in this universe needs to have tie-ins (and possibly significant ones like we're seeing here) with the other entities in the universe. That's one of the potential advantages the TV show has and it should be utilized. Maybe I'm just upset at myself for not having seen Winter Soldier yet.
Agree with the posts above, good scene at the diner although I hate when they pan away from Ward and he comes out just fine. He was getting held by two cops with another 4+ right there. I figured once he got grabbed that he was going down.
I thought that scene was ridiculous, when he was like, "The question is are YOU a murderer?" If she let him die right there, she was NOT a murderer imo, not even close.
She's ultimately a good person. She can't bring herself to let someone she knows die - even someone she knows has become evil. Plus, she obviously cared about Ward a lot and I doubt all of those feelings are completely gone.
Stop posting and go see it already. WTH?Good points and the more I thought about my post the more conflicted I was with how I felt. I agree a show set in this universe needs to have tie-ins (and possibly significant ones like we're seeing here) with the other entities in the universe. That's one of the potential advantages the TV show has and it should be utilized. Maybe I'm just upset at myself for not having seen Winter Soldier yet.
He stated that even those with the memory wipe still developed other problems. Now we know why he kept saying "please let me die" when he was being operated on.
Wait, I thought he said that the problems were taken care of with a memory wipe of the process. I thought the side affects were due to not doing memory wipes and that doing a wipe took care of those issues, but that he still thought it was too much of a risk, probably since they have to do a memory wipe and probably because that isn't 100% effective. Coulson has remembered what happened now, so maybe he will start to degrade and that was the risk he mentioned.
You can expect some level of inconsistency. After all, we get this exchange in the pilot.
that was a good exchange though.
Fun fact, SHIELD originally stood for Supreme Headquarters, International Espionage, Law-Enforcement Division. In the 90's it became the Strategic Hazard Intervention Espionage Logistics Directorate.
In the movie universe, Stark is not close to his dad and at this time (IM1) had no knowledge of Shield nor his dads involvement in it.
Not only that, but it was a super duper top secret project. Not exactly something you talk about with your party animal son.
All true. I guess it seemed odd to me that they didnt seem to call themselves SHIELD until the end of the movie when its been around for so long. I guess as I think about it, must just be how they wanted to intro SHIELD in a memorable way. Looks like it struck me as odd and shouldnt have.
I'm not so sure that I conclude from the IM dialogue that it wasn't called Shield all along. Coulson has a wry sense of humor and Stark wasn't familiar with it: both good reasons to leave the acronym out of it until later.
No but he dropped them into the ocean in a big box without any signs (that I could see anyway) of getting out. He's clearly torn by his loyalty to Garrett and his feelings for the SHIELD gang but I'm not sure there's any coming back from this for him now. He basically left Fitz and Simmons to drown in the ocean.
Meh. IMO they just lamely started the 'Redemption of Ward' plotline.
Um, they can open the door. Remember they went in there and locked the door, which is why Ward kept yelling at them to open the door.In regards to your other question, I don't think Ward gets killed (Villains rarely die in the comics) And yes, they probably are going for a redemption story line with Ward. But that said I do suspect that his reign as a regular on the show is over. He'll go to prison, Howling Commando Grandson takes his spot, and they just roll Ward out whenever they need info about some Hydra activity.
