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After dropping Fitz and Simmons into the ocean they have to kill off Ward now, don't they?
notice he didn't kill them.
No but he dropped them into the ocean in a big box without any signs (that I could see anyway) of getting out. He's clearly torn by his loyalty to Garrett and his feelings for the SHIELD gang but I'm not sure there's any coming back from this for him now. He basically left Fitz and Simmons to drown in the ocean.Unless they pull a "There's a secret way to get out of this big box that only Ward and us knew about" bit in the finale I think he has to go at this point.

I don't think Fitz and Simmons are gonna drown for what it's worth. I think they will get out of the big box somehow.
Um, they can open the door. Remember they went in there and locked the door, which is why Ward kept yelling at them to open the door.
That was before they got dropped into the ocean. There wasn't a whole lotta water waiting to pour in if they opened the door on the plane. :)

Like I said, I don't think they're gonna die. And they absolutely have dropped tons of hints that Ward's conflicted and I think they could go the route you say in the second paragraph. But even if he does die a hero's death or somehow turns for the good or something along those lines, I think dropping Fitz and Simmons into the ocean was the last straw from a logical character progression perspective in my opinion. It's gonna take some clever work by the writers to turn Ward into someone who doesn't now deserve to die. I don't think just helping the group in some fashion in the finale is gonna cut. He's crossed way over the line at this point.

 
Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but he did kill the dog.

He couldn't kill it point blank, but they later showed him sighting it through his sniper scope.
That's what I thought too and it tied in with how he handled Fitz and Simmons. He couldn't look them in the eye and kill them but he could drop them into the ocean in a box and leave them to drown. Killing them from a distance like he did with the dog.

 
And let's think about dropping two unsecured people in a big iron box into the ocean from a plane traveling approx. 500 to 600 mph. Fitz and Simmons would almost certainly die from crashing into the sides with the impact being as if they were hit by a speeding dump truck.

So, they'll probably only have a few scratches and possibly a broken bone or two.

 
On the plus side, they doubled down on Bill Paxton so I expect he'll be in the mix for awhile yet. :thumbup:

 
And let's think about dropping two unsecured people in a big iron box into the ocean from a plane traveling approx. 500 to 600 mph. Fitz and Simmons would almost certainly die from crashing into the sides with the impact being as if they were hit by a speeding dump truck.

So, they'll probably only have a few scratches and possibly a broken bone or two.
Sure, maybe in real life. This is a comic book story.
 
I don't think Fitz and Simmons will just open the door. I'm sure they'll be saved due to Chekhov's famous principle. "If a pair of quarter walkie-talkies are introduced in Act I, they will be used in Act V."

I don't think they've earned either killing or redeeming Ward at this point. So I expect him to be alive and at least a grey hat at the end of the finale.

I thought this was the weakest episode since The Winter Soldier integration. Part of that is because it was moving pieces into place for the finale, but they seem to still have a LOT of stuff to deal with in the finale.

They have to resolve whatever Skye and Reina are

probably Kree
.

They have to defeat Garrett some way.

They have to rescue Fitz and Simmons.

I suspect they're rescued by Fury
I suspect they'll have to at least do an end tag with Gravitron.

 
I only caught a glimpse of the preview for next week. Can someone tell me who is the Marvel character they said was going to be on? Put in a spoiler tag if you want. Thanks. :)

By the way, I have my own idea of a "resolution" for Skye and Reina.

 
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Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but he did kill the dog.

He couldn't kill it point blank, but they later showed him sighting it through his sniper scope.
I think that was Garrett.
This was my thought as well...
+1. Garret had the rifle at that point. I just assumed it was to hint that Garret knew Ward couldn't kill someone he was close to (Perhaps his intention so he would know Ward would never kill him.)
 
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They have to resolve whatever Skye and Reina are

probably Kree
.

My wife's thoughts (she's far more of a comic geek than I am)
Skrulls. Reptilian shapeshifters make sense. Blend in fine assuming human form, get pissed that Skye is missing, revert to reptilian form and tear the village apart.
 
After dropping Fitz and Simmons into the ocean they have to kill off Ward now, don't they?
Why? If anything (unfortunately) they're setting him up for redemption.
guessing he kills / stops Garrett.
The previews showed Garrett and Coulson fighting so it wouldn't be a stretch to think Garrett is in a position to kill Coulson and Ward stops him. Or Skye somehow intervenes and Garrett has her about to be killed. Even though Skye seems the obvious choice I'm gonna go with Coulson since that would harken back to Reina asking Ward if he felt bad about betraying Coulson since Coulson's a good man. That would bring everything full circle.

 
And let's think about dropping two unsecured people in a big iron box into the ocean from a plane traveling approx. 500 to 600 mph. Fitz and Simmons would almost certainly die from crashing into the sides with the impact being as if they were hit by a speeding dump truck.

So, they'll probably only have a few scratches and possibly a broken bone or two.
Well, I don't think they were going that fast. If they were, they'd make it to Florida from Cuba in like 15 minutes.And given that earlier in the episode we saw Coulson and May slide down a zipline that was anchored into a styrofoam ceiling tile with a crossbow bolt, you have to have some suspension of disbelief.

 
And let's think about dropping two unsecured people in a big iron box into the ocean from a plane traveling approx. 500 to 600 mph. Fitz and Simmons would almost certainly die from crashing into the sides with the impact being as if they were hit by a speeding dump truck.

So, they'll probably only have a few scratches and possibly a broken bone or two.
Well, I don't think they were going that fast. If they were, they'd make it to Florida from Cuba in like 15 minutes.And given that earlier in the episode we saw Coulson and May slide down a zipline that was anchored into a styrofoam ceiling tile with a crossbow bolt, you have to have some suspension of disbelief.
That was a super strong Cybertek styrofoam polymer prototype.Duh.

 
They have to resolve whatever Skye and Reina are

probably Kree
.

My wife's thoughts (she's far more of a comic geek than I am)Skrulls. Reptilian shapeshifters make sense. Blend in fine assuming human form, get pissed that Skye is missing, revert to reptilian form and tear the village apart.
Something to consider....

Don't forget the Kree/Skrull War angle. I also think the Skrull invaded the village (reference to monsters), and perhaps the Kree had a small base there that the Skrull wanted to overtake. Skye was the lone survivor of the Kree which SHIELD has protected based on an alliance they had with the Kree. Perhaps the Kree back in the tube was Skye's father? Regardless of the last assumption, Setting the tone for a Kree/Skrull War on AoS would be a good way to go and introduce Season2 and the movie tie-ins following the GotG release this summer.
 
They have to resolve whatever Skye and Reina are

probably Kree
.

My wife's thoughts (she's far more of a comic geek than I am)Skrulls. Reptilian shapeshifters make sense. Blend in fine assuming human form, get pissed that Skye is missing, revert to reptilian form and tear the village apart.
Something to consider....

Don't forget the Kree/Skrull War angle. I also think the Skrull invaded the village (reference to monsters), and perhaps the Kree had a small base there that the Skrull wanted to overtake. Skye was the lone survivor of the Kree which SHIELD has protected based on an alliance they had with the Kree. Perhaps the Kree back in the tube was Skye's father? Regardless of the last assumption, Setting the tone for a Kree/Skrull War on AoS would be a good way to go and introduce Season2 and the movie tie-ins following the GotG release this summer.
Good call, I'm thinking this is the likely scenario. At least with regards to Skye. Reina could be a Skrull who was left behind to blend in and be on the lookout for the baby Kree. Now that Reina has identified her, what does she do? Is there a fleet of Skrulls on thier way to Earth?
 
Wow. I have no idea what to say about all the possible storylines you guys have come up with. Guessing what really happens is a let down compared to yours....

Liked the episode. I do think there was too much alluding to Ward being redeemed but hope he isnt.

Cant wait for the finale.

 
There will be no alien invasion on Agents of Shield because of budgetary constraints.
It would be handled much in the way the invasion in Thor2 was handled. Let the movie give the big storyline, and let AoS do some side story. Or in the cases being mentioned above, just lay down some clues as to where the Marvel universe is headed.
 
They have to resolve whatever Skye and Reina are

probably Kree
.

My wife's thoughts (she's far more of a comic geek than I am)Skrulls. Reptilian shapeshifters make sense. Blend in fine assuming human form, get pissed that Skye is missing, revert to reptilian form and tear the village apart.
Something to consider....

Don't forget the Kree/Skrull War angle. I also think the Skrull invaded the village (reference to monsters), and perhaps the Kree had a small base there that the Skrull wanted to overtake. Skye was the lone survivor of the Kree which SHIELD has protected based on an alliance they had with the Kree. Perhaps the Kree back in the tube was Skye's father? Regardless of the last assumption, Setting the tone for a Kree/Skrull War on AoS would be a good way to go and introduce Season2 and the movie tie-ins following the GotG release this summer.
Good call, I'm thinking this is the likely scenario. At least with regards to Skye. Reina could be a Skrull who was left behind to blend in and be on the lookout for the baby Kree. Now that Reina has identified her, what does she do? Is there a fleet of Skrulls on thier way to Earth?
Did Coulson help the Skrulls at some point? Reina seems attached to Coulson and was really only interested in Garrett when she thought he had powers. Now she's around just waiting for her time to do something. Whatever that is.
 
They have to resolve whatever Skye and Reina are

probably Kree
.

My wife's thoughts (she's far more of a comic geek than I am)Skrulls. Reptilian shapeshifters make sense. Blend in fine assuming human form, get pissed that Skye is missing, revert to reptilian form and tear the village apart.
Something to consider....

Don't forget the Kree/Skrull War angle. I also think the Skrull invaded the village (reference to monsters), and perhaps the Kree had a small base there that the Skrull wanted to overtake. Skye was the lone survivor of the Kree which SHIELD has protected based on an alliance they had with the Kree. Perhaps the Kree back in the tube was Skye's father? Regardless of the last assumption, Setting the tone for a Kree/Skrull War on AoS would be a good way to go and introduce Season2 and the movie tie-ins following the GotG release this summer.
Good call, I'm thinking this is the likely scenario. At least with regards to Skye. Reina could be a Skrull who was left behind to blend in and be on the lookout for the baby Kree. Now that Reina has identified her, what does she do? Is there a fleet of Skrulls on thier way to Earth?
Did Coulson help the Skrulls at some point? Reina seems attached to Coulson and was really only interested in Garrett when she thought he had powers. Now she's around just waiting for her time to do something. Whatever that is.
Would be interesting if they are setting up Reina to mirror Lyja, a Skrull character who fell for the Human Torch and became 'good'.
 
They have to resolve whatever Skye and Reina are

probably Kree
.
My wife's thoughts (she's far more of a comic geek than I am)Skrulls. Reptilian shapeshifters make sense. Blend in fine assuming human form, get pissed that Skye is missing, revert to reptilian form and tear the village apart.
Something to consider....

Don't forget the Kree/Skrull War angle. I also think the Skrull invaded the village (reference to monsters), and perhaps the Kree had a small base there that the Skrull wanted to overtake. Skye was the lone survivor of the Kree which SHIELD has protected based on an alliance they had with the Kree. Perhaps the Kree back in the tube was Skye's father? Regardless of the last assumption, Setting the tone for a Kree/Skrull War on AoS would be a good way to go and introduce Season2 and the movie tie-ins following the GotG release this summer.
Good call, I'm thinking this is the likely scenario. At least with regards to Skye. Reina could be a Skrull who was left behind to blend in and be on the lookout for the baby Kree. Now that Reina has identified her, what does she do? Is there a fleet of Skrulls on thier way to Earth?
Did Coulson help the Skrulls at some point? Reina seems attached to Coulson and was really only interested in Garrett when she thought he had powers. Now she's around just waiting for her time to do something. Whatever that is.
Would be interesting if they are setting up Reina to mirror Lyja, a Skrull character who fell for the Human Torch and became 'good'.
Anyone else getting tired of having discussions in spoiler boxes?
 
We should totally start a new "Agents of Shield TV Show ONLY (Comic) Books Don't Exist!" thread, then commence #####ing about your talking about alien invasions without spoiler tags. :excited:

 
They have to resolve whatever Skye and Reina are

probably Kree
.
My wife's thoughts (she's far more of a comic geek than I am)Skrulls. Reptilian shapeshifters make sense. Blend in fine assuming human form, get pissed that Skye is missing, revert to reptilian form and tear the village apart.
Something to consider....

Don't forget the Kree/Skrull War angle. I also think the Skrull invaded the village (reference to monsters), and perhaps the Kree had a small base there that the Skrull wanted to overtake. Skye was the lone survivor of the Kree which SHIELD has protected based on an alliance they had with the Kree. Perhaps the Kree back in the tube was Skye's father? Regardless of the last assumption, Setting the tone for a Kree/Skrull War on AoS would be a good way to go and introduce Season2 and the movie tie-ins following the GotG release this summer.
Good call, I'm thinking this is the likely scenario. At least with regards to Skye. Reina could be a Skrull who was left behind to blend in and be on the lookout for the baby Kree. Now that Reina has identified her, what does she do? Is there a fleet of Skrulls on thier way to Earth?
Did Coulson help the Skrulls at some point? Reina seems attached to Coulson and was really only interested in Garrett when she thought he had powers. Now she's around just waiting for her time to do something. Whatever that is.
Would be interesting if they are setting up Reina to mirror Lyja, a Skrull character who fell for the Human Torch and became 'good'.
Anyone else getting tired of having discussions in spoiler boxes?
yes
 
I thought last night's episode was maybe a notch below the recent batch, but still good in comparison to most of the earlier season eps. When I watched it live it seemed pretty clear that Ward killed the dog with the sniper rifle after initially letting it go, which mirrored his actions with Fitzsimmons - acknowledging his "weakness" but ultimately doing what Garrett wanted. I've seen the alternate interpretation though that he's essentially letting Fitz and Simmons go by dropping them out of the plane, presumably trusting that they will a) survive the fall and b) figure a way out.

The way they set up the Ward/Garrett relationship makes me think we're heading for some sort of sacrificial redemption. Basically Ward is Darth Vader to Garrett's Emperor Palpatine.

 
As for the Skye origins, I sure hope they don't go the alien route although it definitely makes sense in the context of GotG coming out later this summer and the Guest House storyline.

For as closely as Simmons was scrutinizing her medical information, you'd think she'd notice the non-human DNA.

 
I thought last night's episode was maybe a notch below the recent batch, but still good in comparison to most of the earlier season eps. When I watched it live it seemed pretty clear that Ward killed the dog with the sniper rifle after initially letting it go, which mirrored his actions with Fitzsimmons - acknowledging his "weakness" but ultimately doing what Garrett wanted. I've seen the alternate interpretation though that he's essentially letting Fitz and Simmons go by dropping them out of the plane, presumably trusting that they will a) survive the fall and b) figure a way out.

The way they set up the Ward/Garrett relationship makes me think we're heading for some sort of sacrificial redemption. Basically Ward is Darth Vader to Garrett's Emperor Palpatine.
whoa guy! use spoiler tags!

 
As for the Skye origins, I sure hope they don't go the alien route although it definitely makes sense in the context of GotG coming out later this summer and the Guest House storyline.

For as closely as Simmons was scrutinizing her medical information, you'd think she'd notice the non-human DNA.
It's pretty clear that the Marvel universe is heading towards bringing in the aliens full force. Avengers had alien troops invading, and then an end scene with Thanos being told that trying to take over earth would be like inviting death (and smiling at the thought). Then there were Dark Elves (aliens) of Thor 2, an appearance of the Infinity Gauntlet (the thing that Thanos desires), the upcoming Guardians movie which is tied in with the whole Avengers thing, the Kree under glass in Agents. One way or another Aliens are coming.

 
Another thing to consider is the the Cinematic Universe needs to explain the Maximoff twins without referencing Mutants. One way to do that would be to have them (and Skye) be Inhumans. That would require retconning the Inhuman mythology a lot (keeping the Kree origin, but maybe having the "terrigen mist" be something synthesized by Cybertek).

 
The show isn't following any specific comic. I'd say comics are far less relevant here than they are in the Walking Dead thread or the books in the GoT threads.

 
Another thing to consider is the the Cinematic Universe needs to explain the Maximoff twins without referencing Mutants. One way to do that would be to have them (and Skye) be Inhumans. That would require retconning the Inhuman mythology a lot (keeping the Kree origin, but maybe having the "terrigen mist" be something synthesized by Cybertek).
They already did that in CA2.

 
Another thing to consider is the the Cinematic Universe needs to explain the Maximoff twins without referencing Mutants. One way to do that would be to have them (and Skye) be Inhumans. That would require retconning the Inhuman mythology a lot (keeping the Kree origin, but maybe having the "terrigen mist" be something synthesized by Cybertek).
They already did that in CA2.
I think the Hydra guy called them "miracles" though. Not inhumans nor mutants.

 
Another thing to consider is the the Cinematic Universe needs to explain the Maximoff twins without referencing Mutants. One way to do that would be to have them (and Skye) be Inhumans. That would require retconning the Inhuman mythology a lot (keeping the Kree origin, but maybe having the "terrigen mist" be something synthesized by Cybertek).
They already did that in CA2.
Dude! Spoilers!!! :o :lol:

 
Another thing to consider is the the Cinematic Universe needs to explain the Maximoff twins without referencing Mutants. One way to do that would be to have them (and Skye) be Inhumans. That would require retconning the Inhuman mythology a lot (keeping the Kree origin, but maybe having the "terrigen mist" be something synthesized by Cybertek).
They already did that in CA2.
Dude! Spoilers!!! :o :lol:
I know you're joking, but for those that haven't seen CA2, don't worry, I didn't ruin the plot or anything. It's just from the little bit after the credits they use to tease the upcoming movie.

 
As for the Skye origins, I sure hope they don't go the alien route although it definitely makes sense in the context of GotG coming out later this summer and the Guest House storyline.

For as closely as Simmons was scrutinizing her medical information, you'd think she'd notice the non-human DNA.
It's pretty clear that the Marvel universe is heading towards bringing in the aliens full force. Avengers had alien troops invading, and then an end scene with Thanos being told that trying to take over earth would be like inviting death (and smiling at the thought). Then there were Dark Elves (aliens) of Thor 2, an appearance of the Infinity Gauntlet (the thing that Thanos desires), the upcoming Guardians movie which is tied in with the whole Avengers thing, the Kree under glass in Agents. One way or another Aliens are coming.
They need to work on their immigration reform.

 
We just finished the episode and all 3 of us thought Ward killed the dog. It felt like they framed it specfically to say that he did have an initial weakness of caring but that he could get over it, as they directly coupled the shot of the dog being sniped with Ward dropping them into the ocean.

Hopefully one of the writers will make that clear if asked this week.

I can't understand why Garret would kill the dog. It makes no sense unless he was trying to prove a point but there was no point of reference for that.

 
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So in reading a bunch of recaps about the episode from various online sites, the opinions on who killed the dog vary greatly, just as in this thread.

Is this good writing to get people thinking, or was this bad writing in that they intended to clearly commnicate who killed the dog and failed?

 
They have to resolve whatever Skye and Reina are

probably Kree
.
My wife's thoughts (she's far more of a comic geek than I am)Skrulls. Reptilian shapeshifters make sense. Blend in fine assuming human form, get pissed that Skye is missing, revert to reptilian form and tear the village apart.
Something to consider....

Don't forget the Kree/Skrull War angle. I also think the Skrull invaded the village (reference to monsters), and perhaps the Kree had a small base there that the Skrull wanted to overtake. Skye was the lone survivor of the Kree which SHIELD has protected based on an alliance they had with the Kree. Perhaps the Kree back in the tube was Skye's father? Regardless of the last assumption, Setting the tone for a Kree/Skrull War on AoS would be a good way to go and introduce Season2 and the movie tie-ins following the GotG release this summer.
Good call, I'm thinking this is the likely scenario. At least with regards to Skye. Reina could be a Skrull who was left behind to blend in and be on the lookout for the baby Kree. Now that Reina has identified her, what does she do? Is there a fleet of Skrulls on thier way to Earth?
Did Coulson help the Skrulls at some point? Reina seems attached to Coulson and was really only interested in Garrett when she thought he had powers. Now she's around just waiting for her time to do something. Whatever that is.
Would be interesting if they are setting up Reina to mirror Lyja, a Skrull character who fell for the Human Torch and became 'good'.
Anyone else getting tired of having discussions in spoiler boxes?
:lmao:

 
They have to resolve whatever Skye and Reina are

probably Kree
.
My wife's thoughts (she's far more of a comic geek than I am)Skrulls. Reptilian shapeshifters make sense. Blend in fine assuming human form, get pissed that Skye is missing, revert to reptilian form and tear the village apart.
Something to consider....

Don't forget the Kree/Skrull War angle. I also think the Skrull invaded the village (reference to monsters), and perhaps the Kree had a small base there that the Skrull wanted to overtake. Skye was the lone survivor of the Kree which SHIELD has protected based on an alliance they had with the Kree. Perhaps the Kree back in the tube was Skye's father? Regardless of the last assumption, Setting the tone for a Kree/Skrull War on AoS would be a good way to go and introduce Season2 and the movie tie-ins following the GotG release this summer.
Good call, I'm thinking this is the likely scenario. At least with regards to Skye. Reina could be a Skrull who was left behind to blend in and be on the lookout for the baby Kree. Now that Reina has identified her, what does she do? Is there a fleet of Skrulls on thier way to Earth?
Did Coulson help the Skrulls at some point? Reina seems attached to Coulson and was really only interested in Garrett when she thought he had powers. Now she's around just waiting for her time to do something. Whatever that is.
Would be interesting if they are setting up Reina to mirror Lyja, a Skrull character who fell for the Human Torch and became 'good'.
Anyone else getting tired of having discussions in spoiler boxes?
yes
:lmao: :lmao:

 
Didn't Fitz have a homing device (the quarter) along with the mini-EMP, looked like a quarter? Obviously it should be fried along with anything else in the EMP area, but that would be a minor issue and probably explainable if they want to.

 

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