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*** Official Marvels Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D (1 Viewer)

Didn't Fitz have a homing device (the quarter) along with the mini-EMP, looked like a quarter? Obviously it should be fried along with anything else in the EMP area, but that would be a minor issue and probably explainable if they want to.
If the homing device wasn't on when the EMP was activated, it would still work. Can't remember if they had to do anything to activate it.

 
The show's been picked up for a second season. Great news.
I agree! I mentioned this news last night along with ABC officially ordering an Agent Carter series. I wonder if ABC will try and put those back to back in the future?
Isn't Agent Carter (CA:TWS) the lead female role in Revenge (also on ABC)? How will this work (assuming Revenge is also renewed)?
She's Sharon (Agent 13) Carter. This is a period show set in the post WWII setting about her aunt, Peggy Carter (played by Hayley Atwell in the first CA movie).

 
The show's been picked up for a second season. Great news.
I agree! I mentioned this news last night along with ABC officially ordering an Agent Carter series. I wonder if ABC will try and put those back to back in the future?
Isn't Agent Carter (CA:TWS) the lead female role in Revenge (also on ABC)? How will this work (assuming Revenge is also renewed)?
She's Sharon (Agent 13) Carter. This is a period show set in the post WWII setting about her aunt, Peggy Carter (played by Hayley Atwell in the first CA movie).
Ahhh....gotcha...I thought it was present day Carter. Thanks

 
Am I the only one that thinks Paxton is completely terrible? Ruining the character for me. I just don't buy that demeanor or look as a matter mind or power villain. Maybe Skye is from wherever Kelly Le Brock was from and can just cast a spell on him.

 
I just caught up on the last 3 episodes. Man this show has really hit its stride. I think it was really hurt in the middle by having to bide its time until Winter Soldier released before they could really move the plot forward. Hopefully they didn't lose too many viewers during that time to recover. Glad to hear it's back for season 2.

One thing that bugged me a little is how quickly everyone other than Fitz jumped to the "Ward is definitely a bad guy" belief. Especially Skye. All she knew was that Ward said he was with Eric recently and then she found Eric dead. It seems odd that she would jump straight to "Ward did it and is a bad guy" and not assume (or even think) that someone had infiltrated the base and killed Eric in the last few minutes since he and Ward separated. I mean, it's not like Hydra had been infiltrating secret SHIELD bases left and right or anything, right?

Granted, Ward tipped his hand a few minutes later by lying to her, but by then she had already had her breakdown in the bathroom, written the message on the wall, etc. Seemed like a big leap from just finding Eric's body.

Then, even after Ward was revealed as a bad guy to the team they all just immediately believed it. In the real world, sure I could buy that. But we're talking about a universe where, in the last few months we've seen no less than 3 different ways that people can be controlled including one that is the primary weapon of the enemy they're currently fighting against and another that is being stored at the facility that Ward just came back from.

Granted, they were all right and Ward is just a (conflicted) bad guy, but it just seemed unrealistic that they were all so willing to immediately accept it given the circumstances. Heck, Jack Bauer's colleagues were willing to give him more of a benefit of the doubt and they weren't in the middle of a war with an enemy who's primary weapon is mind control.

 
One thing that bugged me a little is how quickly everyone other than Fitz jumped to the "Ward is definitely a bad guy" belief. Especially Skye. All she knew was that Ward said he was with Eric recently and then she found Eric dead. It seems odd that she would jump straight to "Ward did it and is a bad guy" and not assume (or even think) that someone had infiltrated the base and killed Eric in the last few minutes since he and Ward separated. I mean, it's not like Hydra had been infiltrating secret SHIELD bases left and right or anything, right?
Didn't she have a marauder's map that showed exactly where everyone was, and so she knew that Ward had just been in the exact place where she found Eric's body?
 
One thing that bugged me a little is how quickly everyone other than Fitz jumped to the "Ward is definitely a bad guy" belief. Especially Skye. All she knew was that Ward said he was with Eric recently and then she found Eric dead. It seems odd that she would jump straight to "Ward did it and is a bad guy" and not assume (or even think) that someone had infiltrated the base and killed Eric in the last few minutes since he and Ward separated. I mean, it's not like Hydra had been infiltrating secret SHIELD bases left and right or anything, right?
Didn't she have a marauder's map that showed exactly where everyone was, and so she knew that Ward had just been in the exact place where she found Eric's body?
She used the map to find Eric. I don't recall her ever seeing Ward in that area. 1st time she saw it she was with Eric. 2nd time she saw it Ward was in the room next to her and Eric's little blip was alone on the other side of the base.

 
One thing that bugged me a little is how quickly everyone other than Fitz jumped to the "Ward is definitely a bad guy" belief. Especially Skye. All she knew was that Ward said he was with Eric recently and then she found Eric dead. It seems odd that she would jump straight to "Ward did it and is a bad guy" and not assume (or even think) that someone had infiltrated the base and killed Eric in the last few minutes since he and Ward separated. I mean, it's not like Hydra had been infiltrating secret SHIELD bases left and right or anything, right?
Didn't she have a marauder's map that showed exactly where everyone was, and so she knew that Ward had just been in the exact place where she found Eric's body?
She used the map to find Eric. I don't recall her ever seeing Ward in that area. 1st time she saw it she was with Eric. 2nd time she saw it Ward was in the room next to her and Eric's little blip was alone on the other side of the base.
She did figure out the coin that dropped when she opened the door and put it back. If she was smart enough to put it back then likely she is smart enough to realize that was a sign to Ward whether or not someone entered the room and that wouldn't likely something a random agent that snuck in would care about.

 
I just caught up on the last 3 episodes. Man this show has really hit its stride. I think it was really hurt in the middle by having to bide its time until Winter Soldier released before they could really move the plot forward. Hopefully they didn't lose too many viewers during that time to recover. Glad to hear it's back for season 2.

One thing that bugged me a little is how quickly everyone other than Fitz jumped to the "Ward is definitely a bad guy" belief. Especially Skye. All she knew was that Ward said he was with Eric recently and then she found Eric dead. It seems odd that she would jump straight to "Ward did it and is a bad guy" and not assume (or even think) that someone had infiltrated the base and killed Eric in the last few minutes since he and Ward separated. I mean, it's not like Hydra had been infiltrating secret SHIELD bases left and right or anything, right?

Granted, Ward tipped his hand a few minutes later by lying to her, but by then she had already had her breakdown in the bathroom, written the message on the wall, etc. Seemed like a big leap from just finding Eric's body.

Then, even after Ward was revealed as a bad guy to the team they all just immediately believed it. In the real world, sure I could buy that. But we're talking about a universe where, in the last few months we've seen no less than 3 different ways that people can be controlled including one that is the primary weapon of the enemy they're currently fighting against and another that is being stored at the facility that Ward just came back from.

Granted, they were all right and Ward is just a (conflicted) bad guy, but it just seemed unrealistic that they were all so willing to immediately accept it given the circumstances. Heck, Jack Bauer's colleagues were willing to give him more of a benefit of the doubt and they weren't in the middle of a war with an enemy who's primary weapon is mind control.
I don't buy it in the real world. People are way too reluctant to believe a person they know could have possibly committed a crime. Granted, this isn't the same peer group, but even among super spies I'd think people would disbelieve first.

 
Master of Past and Present said:
FreeBaGeL said:
Psychopav said:
FreeBaGeL said:
One thing that bugged me a little is how quickly everyone other than Fitz jumped to the "Ward is definitely a bad guy" belief. Especially Skye. All she knew was that Ward said he was with Eric recently and then she found Eric dead. It seems odd that she would jump straight to "Ward did it and is a bad guy" and not assume (or even think) that someone had infiltrated the base and killed Eric in the last few minutes since he and Ward separated. I mean, it's not like Hydra had been infiltrating secret SHIELD bases left and right or anything, right?
Didn't she have a marauder's map that showed exactly where everyone was, and so she knew that Ward had just been in the exact place where she found Eric's body?
She used the map to find Eric. I don't recall her ever seeing Ward in that area. 1st time she saw it she was with Eric. 2nd time she saw it Ward was in the room next to her and Eric's little blip was alone on the other side of the base.
She did figure out the coin that dropped when she opened the door and put it back. If she was smart enough to put it back then likely she is smart enough to realize that was a sign to Ward whether or not someone entered the room and that wouldn't likely something a random agent that snuck in would care about.
And add in the fact that Garrett, Ward's SO, whom they all trusted turned out to be Hydra. There may not have been any one single smoking gun piece of evidence, but you add everything up, It becomes clear to most people that Ward was Hydra.

 
FWIW, the early reviews for the finale are very positive (no spoilers). The one preview scene leaked was almost certainly written by Joss (it's practically ripped right out of Cabin in the Woods).

 
Might want to extend your DVR recording window, in typical Marvel fashion there are supposed to be 2 post credit sequences.

 
Might want to extend your DVR recording window, in typical Marvel fashion there are supposed to be 2 post credit sequences.
Good info here. My DVR does that automatically since it programs the entire length of an episode but I'll doublecheck to be sure.

Thanks for the heads up. :thumbup:

 
nice episode.. Unimpressed with Fury/Jackson though.

Did crack up at Garrett's final scene though. At least Ward isn't redeemed right away - although he is still alive t be brought back in the future....

 
A little bit external. . . :lol:

After all the crap for a few episodes, nice to have the catharsis.

 
FUBAR said:
FreeBaGeL said:
I just caught up on the last 3 episodes. Man this show has really hit its stride. I think it was really hurt in the middle by having to bide its time until Winter Soldier released before they could really move the plot forward. Hopefully they didn't lose too many viewers during that time to recover. Glad to hear it's back for season 2.

One thing that bugged me a little is how quickly everyone other than Fitz jumped to the "Ward is definitely a bad guy" belief. Especially Skye. All she knew was that Ward said he was with Eric recently and then she found Eric dead. It seems odd that she would jump straight to "Ward did it and is a bad guy" and not assume (or even think) that someone had infiltrated the base and killed Eric in the last few minutes since he and Ward separated. I mean, it's not like Hydra had been infiltrating secret SHIELD bases left and right or anything, right?

Granted, Ward tipped his hand a few minutes later by lying to her, but by then she had already had her breakdown in the bathroom, written the message on the wall, etc. Seemed like a big leap from just finding Eric's body.

Then, even after Ward was revealed as a bad guy to the team they all just immediately believed it. In the real world, sure I could buy that. But we're talking about a universe where, in the last few months we've seen no less than 3 different ways that people can be controlled including one that is the primary weapon of the enemy they're currently fighting against and another that is being stored at the facility that Ward just came back from.

Granted, they were all right and Ward is just a (conflicted) bad guy, but it just seemed unrealistic that they were all so willing to immediately accept it given the circumstances. Heck, Jack Bauer's colleagues were willing to give him more of a benefit of the doubt and they weren't in the middle of a war with an enemy who's primary weapon is mind control.
I don't buy it in the real world. People are way too reluctant to believe a person they know could have possibly committed a crime. Granted, this isn't the same peer group, but even among super spies I'd think people would disbelieve first.
Nobody else was there. It HAD to be Ward.

 
Hey guys! I found it! :lmao:
That was awesome.
Very Whedonesque without a doubt.

So question for you guys who know the Marvel Universe a lot better...

In the scene at the end where Reina gives Skye's father the picture... is there anything about him that might add evidence to any theories about what Reina or Skye are? Didn't seem a very likely appearance for a Skrull or Kree, for example.
 
Hey guys! I found it! :lmao:
That was awesome.
Very Whedonesque without a doubt.

So question for you guys who know the Marvel Universe a lot better...

In the scene at the end where Reina gives Skye's father the picture... is there anything about him that might add evidence to any theories about what Reina or Skye are? Didn't seem a very likely appearance for a Skrull or Kree, for example.
Yay! Spoiler boxes. Um, no. Not that I could tell. All we really know is that he was in a bathtub (filled with what?) and appeared to have skin dripping off his arm (burns? Disintentegrating?) Hell, he could be Namor for all we know.
 
Hey guys! I found it! :lmao:
That was awesome.
Very funny. But one question... In the previous scene in the Cybertek compound, we see Garret dead and being put into a stainless steel box to be hauled away. How exactly did he get out of the box and back to the cyborg machine?
It doesn't matter, they did that just for the one-liner at the end. He was supposed to be dead and he obviously wasn't really, but it was all for the joke. Like TLEF316, I was like "Oh C'mon" before Coulson took him out. Then I enjoyed it.

 
Hey guys! I found it! :lmao:
That was awesome.
Very funny. But one question... In the previous scene in the Cybertek compound, we see Garret dead and being put into a stainless steel box to be hauled away. How exactly did he get out of the box and back to the cyborg machine?
Yeah, that was my question too.

Also, the level of suspension of disbelief required for the ocean rescue was a bit over the top.

 
Hey guys! I found it! :lmao:
That was a great line even if Garrett somehow rising from the dead was unbelievably improbable (seriously, how did he get out of the box and crawl back into the room without anyone noticing?).

Really enjoyed the finale. Props to all those who said Ward would remain alive at the end thus creating the possibility of bringing him back at some point in the future. Interested to see what happened to Fitz and what's up with the drawings Garrett and Coulson made.

From a movie perspective, I'm very introduced to see how they plan to re-introduce Fury since he's going to be like Caine and walk the earth.

 
Hey guys! I found it! :lmao:
That was a great line even if Garrett somehow rising from the dead was unbelievably improbable (seriously, how did he get out of the box and crawl back into the room without anyone noticing?).

Really enjoyed the finale. Props to all those who said Ward would remain alive at the end thus creating the possibility of bringing him back at some point in the future. Interested to see what happened to Fitz and what's up with the drawings Garrett and Coulson made.

From a movie perspective, I'm very introduced to see how they plan to re-introduce Fury since he's going to be like Caine and walk the earth.
If they had just shown him punching his way out of the box or something (boxed up, but hasn't been loaded up yet as people went to secure/search other parts of the facility) it wouldn't have been quite as jarring.

 
Hey guys! I found it! :lmao:
That was a great line even if Garrett somehow rising from the dead was unbelievably improbable (seriously, how did he get out of the box and crawl back into the room without anyone noticing?).

Really enjoyed the finale. Props to all those who said Ward would remain alive at the end thus creating the possibility of bringing him back at some point in the future. Interested to see what happened to Fitz and what's up with the drawings Garrett and Coulson made.

From a movie perspective, I'm very introduced to see how they plan to re-introduce Fury since he's going to be like Caine and walk the earth.
If they had just shown him punching his way out of the box or something (boxed up, but hasn't been loaded up yet as people went to secure/search other parts of the facility) it wouldn't have been quite as jarring.
I don't think it mattered at all. They did that purely for the comic relief. Kind of like the Avengers eating shawarma at the end of the movie. Don't think to much or be jarred too much, it was all a joke setup.

 
Yeah there were a lot of implausible plot bits. Fury seemingly teleported to the Cybertek base in seconds. It was a fun an quippy finale so it was easy to forgive the weird plot and character moments. Ward seems to be drawn the entire first half of the finale as the most reluctant of villains, but starts twirling his mustache the second he sees May. But his fight with May was a lot of fun, so, :shrug:

Thought that Fury and Coulson just standing around doing a comedy routine was another bit of weirdness that somehow worked.

 
Yeah there were a lot of implausible plot bits. Fury seemingly teleported to the Cybertek base in seconds. It was a fun an quippy finale so it was easy to forgive the weird plot and character moments. Ward seems to be drawn the entire first half of the finale as the most reluctant of villains, but starts twirling his mustache the second he sees May. But his fight with May was a lot of fun, so, :shrug:

Thought that Fury and Coulson just standing around doing a comedy routine was another bit of weirdness that somehow worked.
Yeah if you broke everything down there were a lot of "Wow that's really odd" moments. But it was fun and loose and I enjoyed it. Ultimately it was very entertaining so even if the story logic was flimsy (at times VERY flimsy) I'll let it slide because I was entertained. And they did set up a lot of interesting stuff for next season. I'm very happy the show was renewed. It got so much better once they were able to focus on a more concentrated story and abandon the Monster of the Week type approach.

 
So, is Director Colsoun going to be in the field with his merry band of misfits? Seems like that wouldn't be a fit w/ the title.

 
(HULK) said:
Might want to extend your DVR recording window, in typical Marvel fashion there are supposed to be 2 post credit sequences.
Mine cut off after Coulson drew on the wall with his knife. Was that the last scene?

 
(HULK) said:
Might want to extend your DVR recording window, in typical Marvel fashion there are supposed to be 2 post credit sequences.
Mine cut off after Coulson drew on the wall with his knife. Was that the last scene?
I think that was. I think it went Coulson shooting Garrett, Skye's dad and then Coulson drawing.

As to the last, are we to assume that it has something to do with the alien serum? Do those drawings mean anything to anyone in terms of the universe? Does it give us clues as to the blue guy?

 
(HULK) said:
Might want to extend your DVR recording window, in typical Marvel fashion there are supposed to be 2 post credit sequences.
Mine cut off after Coulson drew on the wall with his knife. Was that the last scene?
I think that was. I think it went Coulson shooting Garrett, Skye's dad and then Coulson drawing.

As to the last, are we to assume that it has something to do with the alien serum? Do those drawings mean anything to anyone in terms of the universe? Does it give us clues as to the blue guy?
It was the same type of diagram that was in the Ukranian facility that Ward infiltrated way back in Eye Spy. ("Seduce him.") Hard to know what it is, but I still think the Raina/Skye foreshadowing sounds a lot like the Inhumans. So maybe its the chemical compound for the Terrigan Mist.

 
Is the Avengers sequel the only Marvel movie coming out next year? If so, we can probably assume there will be a series tie-in of some kind (have to think the Avengers find out Coulson's alive in some fashion in the sequel). Rebuilding SHIELD makes me wonder if they'll do more Monster of the Week shows with Skye's history serving as a backdrop or connecting device. Then maybe all building up to whatever is going to happen in the Avengers sequel.

 
Is the Avengers sequel the only Marvel movie coming out next year? If so, we can probably assume there will be a series tie-in of some kind (have to think the Avengers find out Coulson's alive in some fashion in the sequel). Rebuilding SHIELD makes me wonder if they'll do more Monster of the Week shows with Skye's history serving as a backdrop or connecting device. Then maybe all building up to whatever is going to happen in the Avengers sequel.
Ant-Man is scheduled to come out July/August 2015.

 

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