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***OFFICIAL*** Masters Pool 2013 (1 Viewer)

-jb-

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Tobias?

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Zow?

ENTRY: $20 via paypal. DO NOT MENTION GAMBLING, POOLS, ETC. If you do, I will mock and ridicule you.

PAYOUT:
TOTAL ENTRY = TBD

1st = TBD
2nd = TBD
3rd = TBD

DRAFT: Salary cap of $25. We will convert "Pts. Avg." from the World Golf Ranking to dollars. Must draft a minimum of 4 golfers. Maximum draft of 8 golfers. A maximum of 1 golfer from every tier of 10 (1-10, 11-20, etc.) on the World Golf Ranking. The current list of invitees can be found here. If a player in the field is not listed on the WGR or has a value of zero, they are not eligible.
PM all rosters to me before tee-off.

SCORING: All of your golfers will take the field. At the end of the tournament, you will record your four best scores to get your own score. If you are forced to use a golfer who has missed the cut, you will record the highest score posted on Saturday and Sunday respectively. Tie-breaker will be the lowest single score in your foursome.

Example - Let's say you select Lee Trevino, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus, Seve Ballesteros, Greg Norman, and Johnny Miller. They score:

Trevino: -3
Palmer: +12
Nicklaus: -1
Ballesteros: -8
Norman: MC
Miller: E

You would then record the scores of Trevino, Nicklaus, Ballesteros, and Miller. You would discard Palmer and Norman, and wind up with a score of -12 (-3 plus -1 plus -8 plus E).

Another scenario:

Trevino: -3
Palmer: MC
Nicklaus: -1
Ballesteros: -8
Norman: MC
Miller: MC

Here, you are forced to record a player who missed the cut. Since they will not play on Saturday or Sunday, you will instead record the highest round posted on that day by anyone still in the field. If the highest round is 89 on Saturday and 101 on Sunday, you will score 89 and 101 respectively. This will be the same way we handle withdrawals and DQs.

STRATEGY: The less you spend per tier, the more golfers you will be able to afford to start. Capisce?

TRACKING: I will track at the end of each day, and post.

TIERED FIELD:

Code:
 Rank	 Player	                 Avg Pts 1 	 Tiger Woods,  USA 	 11.62  2 	 Rory McIlroy,  Nir 	 10.99  3 	 Justin Rose,  Eng 	 6.91  4 	 Luke Donald,  Eng 	 6.53  5 	 Brandt Snedeker,  USA 	 6.20  6 	 Louis Oosthuizen,  Zaf  5.97  7 	 Adam Scott,  Aus 	 5.59  8 	 Steve Stricker,  USA 	 5.58  9 	 Phil Mickelson,  USA 	 5.27  10 	 Matt Kuchar,  USA 	 5.27  11 	 Keegan Bradley,  USA 	 5.14  12 	 Ian Poulter,  Eng 	 5.02  13 	 Lee Westwood,  Eng 	 5.01  14 	 Bubba Watson,  USA 	 4.99  15 	 Charl Schwartzel,  Zaf  4.91  16 	 Sergio Garcia,  Esp 	 4.77  17 	 Graeme McDowell,  Nir 	 4.73  18 	 Jason Dufner,  USA 	 4.56  19 	 Dustin Johnson,  USA 	 4.55  20 	 Webb Simpson,  USA 	 4.46  21 	 Hunter Mahan,  USA 	 4.25  22 	 Peter Hanson,  Swe 	 4.25  23 	 Nick Watney,  USA 	 3.94  24 	 Ernie Els,  Zaf 	 3.85  25 	 Jim Furyk,  USA 	 3.70  26 	 Bo Van Pelt,  USA 	 3.65  27 	 Zach Johnson,  USA 	 3.40  28 	 Rickie Fowler,  USA 	 3.39  29 	 Bill Haas,  USA 	 3.36  30 	 Gonzalo Fdez-Cas, Esp 	 3.33  31 	 Martin Kaymer,  Deu 	 3.22  32 	 Branden Grace,  Zaf 	 3.14  33 	 Jamie Donaldson,  Wal 	 3.07  34 	 Paul Lawrie,  Sco 	 3.00  35 	 Carl Pettersson,  Swe 	 2.99  36 	 Jason Day,  Aus 	 2.96  37 	 Francesco Molinari, Ita 2.94  38 	 Scott Piercy,  USA 	 2.94  39 	 Robert Garrigus,  USA 	 2.93  40 	 Thorbjorn Olesen,  Dnk  2.84  41 	 Henrik Stenson,  Swe 	 2.74  42 	 Nicolas Colsaerts, Bel  2.73  43 	 George Coetzee,  Zaf 	 2.62  44 	 Michael Thompson,  USA  2.54  45 	 Ryan Moore,  USA 	 2.53  46 	 Fredrik Jacobson,  Swe  2.51  47 	 Matteo Manassero,  Ita  2.48  49 	 Richard Sterne,  Zaf 	 2.38  50 	 John Senden,  Aus 	 2.36  51 	 Russell Henley,  USA 	 2.35  52 	 Padraig Harrington, Irl 2.33  53 	 David Lynn,  Eng 	 2.24  54 	 Hiroyuki Fujita,  Jpn 	 2.21  56 	 Martin Laird,  Sco 	 2.19  59 	 Tim Clark,  Zaf 	 2.16  63 	 Thomas Bjorn,  Dnk 	 2.04  71      DA Points, USA          1.94 75      KJ Choi, Kor            1.89 78      Kevin Streelman, USA    1.86  81      John Merrick, USA       1.81 82      David Toms, USA         1.80 83      Thaworn Wiratchant, Tha 1.76  96      Kevin Na, USA           1.53  102     Ben Curtis, USA         1.50 105     John Huh, USA           1.50 108     Marc Leishman, Aus      1.47   111     Vijay Singh, Fij        1.45      118     Brian Gay, NTTAWWT      1.41  140     Ted Potter Jr, USA      1.19  154     YE Yang, Kor            1.11  215     Stewart Cink, USA       0.84  258     Lucas Glover, USA       0.68 269     Angel Cabrera, GldCrl   0.65  272     Trevor Immelman, Zaf    0.65  343     John Peterson, USA      0.47  404     Jose Maria Olazabal     0.39  503     Fred Couples, USA       0.29  910     Tom Watson, USA         0.08N/A	Crenshaw	Ben	0N/A     Fox             Steven  0N/A     Guan            Tien    0N/A	Langer	        Bernard	0N/A	Lyle	        Sandy	0N/A	Mize	        Larry	0N/A	OMeara	        Mark	0N/A     Smith           Nathan  0N/A	Stadler	        Craig	0N/A     Vogel           TJ      0N/A     Weaver          Drew    0N/A     Weir            Mike    0N/A	Woosnam	        Ian	0
 
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PARTICIPANTS:

-jb-

gmbacm

Detroit Fan 365

zoonation

Johnnyrock62000

Binky

8ebok24

gump

culdeus?

Fro

UniAlias

???

ENTRY: $20 via paypal. DO NOT MENTION GAMBLING, POOLS, ETC. If you do, I will mock and ridicule you.

PAYOUT:

TOTAL ENTRY = TBD

1st = TBD

2nd = TBD

3rd = TBD

DRAFT: Salary cap of $20. We will convert "Pts. Avg." from the World Golf Ranking to dollars. Must draft a minimum of 4 golfers. Maximum draft of 8 golfers. A maximum of 1 golfer from every tier of 10 (1-10, 11-20, etc.) on the World Golf Ranking. The current list of invitees can be found here. If a player in the field is not listed on the WGR or has a value of zero, they are not eligible.

PM all rosters to me before tee-off.

SCORING: All of your golfers will take the field. At the end of the tournament, you will record your four best scores to get your own score. If you are forced to use a golfer who has missed the cut, you will record the highest score posted on Saturday and Sunday respectively. Tie-breaker will be the lowest single score in your foursome.

Example - Let's say you select Lee Trevino, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus, Seve Ballesteros, Greg Norman, and Johnny Miller. They score:

Trevino: -3

Palmer: +12

Nicklaus: -1

Ballesteros: -8

Norman: MC

Miller: E

You would then record the scores of Trevino, Nicklaus, Ballesteros, and Miller. You would discard Palmer and Norman, and wind up with a score of -12 (-3 plus -1 plus -8 plus E).

Another scenario:

Trevino: -3

Palmer: MC

Nicklaus: -1

Ballesteros: -8

Norman: MC

Miller: MC

Here, you are forced to record a player who missed the cut. Since they will not play on Saturday or Sunday, you will instead record the highest round posted on that day by anyone still in the field. If the highest round is 89 on Saturday and 101 on Sunday, you will score 89 and 101 respectively. This will be the same way we handle withdrawals and DQs.

STRATEGY: The less you spend per tier, the more golfers you will be able to afford to start. Capisce?

TRACKING: I will track at the end of each day, and post.

TIERED FIELD:

IN PROGRESS
cool and in. Guess no one is grabbing Rory and Tiger. :lol:

 
Question about your MCexample - You changed the format from -/+ to actual score in your example.

Would you just change the 89 to +18 for that round?

Very penal. Any missed cuts would basically remove you from the competition if you had to use one. But that's not entirely unfair I guess.

 
DRAFT: Salary cap of $20. We will convert "Pts. Avg." from the World Golf Ranking to dollars. Must draft a minimum of 4 golfers. Maximum draft of 8 golfers. A maximum of 1 golfer from every tier of 10 (1-10, 11-20, etc.) on the World Golf Ranking. The current list of invitees can be found here. If a player in the field is not listed on the WGR or has a value of zero, they are not eligible.
PM all rosters to me before tee-off.

This rule is dumb IMO. Makes the rosters too similar I would think.

 
Basically the name of the game is to pick the best roster with about 17.65 after taking Bjorn and Couples, that about cover it?

I don't remember if the the field was so tight last year in terms of WGC, but this needs some investigation.

What exactly is the harm in double dipping from the tiers exactly?

 
DRAFT: Salary cap of $20. We will convert "Pts. Avg." from the World Golf Ranking to dollars. Must draft a minimum of 4 golfers. Maximum draft of 8 golfers. A maximum of 1 golfer from every tier of 10 (1-10, 11-20, etc.) on the World Golf Ranking. The current list of invitees can be found here. If a player in the field is not listed on the WGR or has a value of zero, they are not eligible.

PM all rosters to me before tee-off.

This rule is dumb IMO. Makes the rosters too similar I would think.
Kinda agree. Every entry will have Tiger Woods and none of the other 1-10 tiers unless you have people with multiple entries. Should have a salary cap, with each payers value is determined by his WGR.

 
DRAFT: Salary cap of $20. We will convert "Pts. Avg." from the World Golf Ranking to dollars. Must draft a minimum of 4 golfers. Maximum draft of 8 golfers. A maximum of 1 golfer from every tier of 10 (1-10, 11-20, etc.) on the World Golf Ranking. The current list of invitees can be found here. If a player in the field is not listed on the WGR or has a value of zero, they are not eligible.

PM all rosters to me before tee-off.

This rule is dumb IMO. Makes the rosters too similar I would think.
I agree. The salary cap should be enough to make balancing out the roster a challenge.

 
Look, there is nothing wrong with blowing up the tiers. If you get a bunch of guys trying to spam the 2s-3s vs. the guys that stock up on studs there is no harm.

That would be the big drawback, if you were against such a thing, that you would have people with rosters of 7 and 8 mid-tier guys shooting for the home run.

 
Also makes it essentially impossible to have Woods or McIlroy. Any roster that has them will inevitably have less than four players you could reasonably expect to make the cut.

 
It is not mathemetically possible to pick 8 golfers. Warrants mentioning.
Yeah - for this reason alone we should probably rejig things.

Personally, I kinda like the tiered approach. What about making the cap $25 this year instead of $20?

 
Guys the field listed above is not complete. I am at the doctors office but will provide an update when I get back to the office. Most of the posts above are incorrect. More to come.

 
Addressing the questions/issues above:

  • Using the missed cuts is too penal - First, don't use that language with me. Second, it's the most fair way to do it. If they aren't even playing well enough to make the cut, why would they get a better score then the worst golfer that day? Adds to the strategy IMHO so that you think more about lower cost golfers, increasing odds of having a full roster over the weekend.
  • Where to send paypal? - I will PM everyone with that information when I receive your roster.
  • Tiering is dumb, and makes the rosters too similar - It actually does the exact opposite. Everyone would frontload their rosters with top 20 players. This makes you think about the deeper selections.
  • Every entry will have Tiger or Rory - Totally untrue. I've received three rosters so far and none of them selected those guys. I don't believe I will take them either.
  • It is mathematically impossible to pick 8 golfers - I think this was based on the field that was posted when the board was fighting with me, but look again and tell me if you still believe this or still view it as an issue.
  • Seriously, the tiers suck! :cry: I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that removing it will have the effect that you want (making teams more diverse), but if the majority of entrants want it, I will remove. Cast your vote, crybabies.
  • How about increasing the salary cap to $25? I thought about this, and would do it. Cast your vote.
  • What else?
 
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Tiering is dumb, and makes the rosters too similar - It actually does the exact opposite. Everyone would frontload their rosters with top 20 players. This makes you think about the deeper selections.
You would have more people backloading with freebies. That is for sure. There still could be some control for that, not sure how to implement.

 
Tiering is dumb, and makes the rosters too similar - It actually does the exact opposite. Everyone would frontload their rosters with top 20 players. This makes you think about the deeper selections.
You would have more people backloading with freebies. That is for sure. There still could be some control for that, not sure how to implement.
Could be controlled by limiting field to anyone with a 1.0 (or 1.5 or whatever) average points. The freebies never pay dividends outside of Freddy, though.

 
Addressing the questions/issues above:

  • Using the missed cuts is too penal - First, don't use that language with me. Second, it's the most fair way to do it. If they aren't even playing well enough to make the cut, why would they get a better score then the worst golfer that day? Adds to the strategy IMHO so that you think more about lower cost golfers, increasing odds of having a full roster over the weekend.
  • Where to send paypal? - I will PM everyone with that information when I receive your roster.
  • Tiering is dumb, and makes the rosters too similar - It actually does the exact opposite. Everyone would frontload their rosters with top 20 players. This makes you think about the deeper selections.
  • Every entry will have Tiger or Rory - Totally untrue. I've received three rosters so far and none of them selected those guys. I don't believe I will take them either.
  • It is mathematically impossible to pick 8 golfers - I think this was based on the field that was posted when the board was fighting with me, but look again and tell me if you still believe this or still view it as an issue.
  • Seriously, the tiers suck! :cry: I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that removing it will have the effect that you want (making teams more diverse), but if the majority of entrants want it, I will remove. Cast your vote, crybabies.
  • How about increasing the salary cap to $25? I thought about this, and would do it. Cast your vote.
  • What else?
I would vote for $25 over $20, should allow for more mid tier guys to be included. Im fine if the consensus would prefer $20 though.

Keep it tiered.

 
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Addressing the questions/issues above:

  • Using the missed cuts is too penal - First, don't use that language with me. Second, it's the most fair way to do it. If they aren't even playing well enough to make the cut, why would they get a better score then the worst golfer that day? Adds to the strategy IMHO so that you think more about lower cost golfers, increasing odds of having a full roster over the weekend.
  • Where to send paypal? - I will PM everyone with that information when I receive your roster.
  • Tiering is dumb, and makes the rosters too similar - It actually does the exact opposite. Everyone would frontload their rosters with top 20 players. This makes you think about the deeper selections.
  • Every entry will have Tiger or Rory - Totally untrue. I've received three rosters so far and none of them selected those guys. I don't believe I will take them either.
  • It is mathematically impossible to pick 8 golfers - I think this was based on the field that was posted when the board was fighting with me, but look again and tell me if you still believe this or still view it as an issue.
  • Seriously, the tiers suck! :cry: I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that removing it will have the effect that you want (making teams more diverse), but if the majority of entrants want it, I will remove. Cast your vote, crybabies.
  • How about increasing the salary cap to $25? I thought about this, and would do it. Cast your vote.
  • What else?
I would vote for $25 over $20, should allow for more mid tier guys to be included. Im fine if the consensus would prefer $20 though.

Keep it tiered.
I wouldn't mind the additional player that the 25 would allow...i would have to completely overhaul my roster though...i am ok either way. Also, i liked the tier system.

 
Keep the original rules.

This talk about all the rosters being the same and "everyone" will do x or y with their team just doesn't happen. Past Masters Pools and the FBG Preseason and Playoff Contests are other examples.

It SHOULD be a difficult choice on whether to take a high priced guy, and adding $5 to the salary cap would actually lead to more similar rosters IMO.

If someone thinks it's too easy because they have it figured out, then just go out and scoop the money with your awesome team.

If three teams win with the same roster, then tweak the rules next year.

 
meh, i'm really ok with whatever. The original field when it came out was to make it quite difficult to make a roster up. I still think there will be alot of same team though. Phil is probably going to be heavily featured, for one.

 
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Ok well there is a space between both of them

Just the same as the other tiers that's why I asked. I'm using my phone so maybe that has something to do with it. Any problems sending the guy running it a pm because it won't letme send it. Saying error "array"?

 
Ok well there is a space between both of themJust the same as the other tiers that's why I asked. I'm using my phone so maybe that has something to do with it. Any problems sending the guy running it a pm because it won't letme send it. Saying error "array"?
sounds like your phone/mobile platform is causing both issues.

 
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Stick with the original rules....mainly because I've already submitted my roster and I hit 20 on the dot.

 
Yeah, if you look at the tiers on mobile, it looks like Woods and Rory are in their own tier. It's due to having a double-digit average points index. They are in the same tier as the others, but I did consider making their own tier.

 

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