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*** Official Michael Turner 2007 offseason thread *** (1 Viewer)

All true points, with the exception that I disagree about MT's ability to be a feature back but put that aside as it has been beat into the ground.

My point and I apologize for not being clear about recognizing the cap hit and salary implications, was that any team needing a RB that would have to trade up for anyone other than AD (basically just Lynch) MT is value based on the draft picks involved. If one can assume that MT is comparable to AD, then he is an incredible value.

Yes, people can wait till next year and some may. However, such as in the case of the Titans, could VY be injured, Pacman experience more rain or Lendale find a Krispy Kreme opening next door? The cost will never be cheaper salary wise, especially if more teams enter the hunt or MT gets significantly more playing time to disprove the naysayers. The Titans are close this year and if Pacman gets his suspension reduced to a more appropriate term like four games, they could easily be a 10-6 team or better with MT.

The potential to be injured playing for SD needs to be considered too, as football is a contact sport, so MT could conceivably not be there next year or not in the condition he is in now. Guy has basically been maintained in cellophane with only 157 carries in three seasons. Would you rather have him after he gets 150 more touches but with the risk of a high ankle sprain or Lisfranc fracture?

Sure, he is not 21 or 22, but there are D linemen who are going to be drafted who are not 19 (that was sarcasm).

We are all excited by the potential MT has and are eager to see what happens Saturday. I appreciate the feedback and hope you all will enjoy the draft and possible trade(s) as much as I.

By the way and near-completely off-topic, I bought a pair of the Vince Young Reebok cross trainers and these are awesome shoes. Very comfortable and excellent soles, grip the floor securely and their width is perfect, as opposed to New Balance which tend to run wide. Very comparable to Adidas in the width. They were on clearance at Finish line.

 
You have to remember that we're still comparing apples to oranges here though too. While Turner has shown some ability to perform in the NFL, he still hasn't shown that he can be a #1 guy for an entire season.
The "unknown" factor actually favors Turner over the draft picks. He hasn't shouldered an entire load in the NFL, but then neither has Peterson or Lynch. He was, however, the full-time back in college and, unlike Peterson and Lynch, we know that he can perform at a high level against NFL competition.
 
Some comments from AJ on NFLN last night (nothing new):

http://www.dailymotion.com/jcdavey/video/x1t3fd_ajnfln
This guy sounds like a total Moron.....is advantages even a word?
We'll probably never know. I don't think there's any way to find out.
I know it sucks!! If only someone would invent a place we could go to check the validity of the words people use.Maybe a Really Big BOOK or a place on the interweb!!

I'm on it!

 
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Some comments from AJ on NFLN last night (nothing new):

http://www.dailymotion.com/jcdavey/video/x1t3fd_ajnfln
This guy sounds like a total Moron.....is advantages even a word?
We'll probably never know. I don't think there's any way to find out.
I know it sucks!! If only someone would invent a place we could go to check the validity of the words people use.Maybe a Really Big BOOK or a place on the interweb!!

I'm on it!
Let me help my friend recently designed this web siteFYI - Yes advantages is a word :goodposting:

 
Some comments from AJ on NFLN last night (nothing new):

http://www.dailymotion.com/jcdavey/video/x1t3fd_ajnfln
This guy sounds like a total Moron.....is advantages even a word?
We'll probably never know. I don't think there's any way to find out.
I know it sucks!! If only someone would invent a place we could go to check the validity of the words people use.Maybe a Really Big BOOK or a place on the interweb!!

I'm on it!
Let me help my friend recently designed this web siteFYI - Yes advantages is a word :goodposting:
WOW cool site.....do you know if they have a book version I could buy?
 
Some comments from AJ on NFLN last night (nothing new):

http://www.dailymotion.com/jcdavey/video/x1t3fd_ajnfln
This guy sounds like a total Moron.....is advantages even a word?
We'll probably never know. I don't think there's any way to find out.
I know it sucks!! If only someone would invent a place we could go to check the validity of the words people use.Maybe a Really Big BOOK or a place on the interweb!!

I'm on it!
Let me help my friend recently designed this web siteFYI - Yes advantages is a word :o
WOW cool site.....do you know if they have a book version I could buy?
I don't know - it would be REALLY BIG!!
 
All true points, with the exception that I disagree about MT's ability to be a feature back but put that aside as it has been beat into the ground.My point and I apologize for not being clear about recognizing the cap hit and salary implications, was that any team needing a RB that would have to trade up for anyone other than AD (basically just Lynch) MT is value based on the draft picks involved. If one can assume that MT is comparable to AD, then he is an incredible value.Yes, people can wait till next year and some may. However, such as in the case of the Titans, could VY be injured, Pacman experience more rain or Lendale find a Krispy Kreme opening next door? The cost will never be cheaper salary wise, especially if more teams enter the hunt or MT gets significantly more playing time to disprove the naysayers. The Titans are close this year and if Pacman gets his suspension reduced to a more appropriate term like four games, they could easily be a 10-6 team or better with MT.The potential to be injured playing for SD needs to be considered too, as football is a contact sport, so MT could conceivably not be there next year or not in the condition he is in now. Guy has basically been maintained in cellophane with only 157 carries in three seasons. Would you rather have him after he gets 150 more touches but with the risk of a high ankle sprain or Lisfranc fracture?Sure, he is not 21 or 22, but there are D linemen who are going to be drafted who are not 19 (that was sarcasm).We are all excited by the potential MT has and are eager to see what happens Saturday. I appreciate the feedback and hope you all will enjoy the draft and possible trade(s) as much as I.By the way and near-completely off-topic, I bought a pair of the Vince Young Reebok cross trainers and these are awesome shoes. Very comfortable and excellent soles, grip the floor securely and their width is perfect, as opposed to New Balance which tend to run wide. Very comparable to Adidas in the width. They were on clearance at Finish line.
I would say Turner's value is a little less then ADP but a hell of a lot more than Lynch ( Cause the only thing that makes Lynch a first rounder is the lack of decent RB"s in this years draft and also the need many teams have , but he is far from first round talent ) so after ADP is gone you wil see action surrounding Turner.
 
All true points, with the exception that I disagree about MT's ability to be a feature back but put that aside as it has been beat into the ground.My point and I apologize for not being clear about recognizing the cap hit and salary implications, was that any team needing a RB that would have to trade up for anyone other than AD (basically just Lynch) MT is value based on the draft picks involved. If one can assume that MT is comparable to AD, then he is an incredible value.Yes, people can wait till next year and some may. However, such as in the case of the Titans, could VY be injured, Pacman experience more rain or Lendale find a Krispy Kreme opening next door? The cost will never be cheaper salary wise, especially if more teams enter the hunt or MT gets significantly more playing time to disprove the naysayers. The Titans are close this year and if Pacman gets his suspension reduced to a more appropriate term like four games, they could easily be a 10-6 team or better with MT.The potential to be injured playing for SD needs to be considered too, as football is a contact sport, so MT could conceivably not be there next year or not in the condition he is in now. Guy has basically been maintained in cellophane with only 157 carries in three seasons. Would you rather have him after he gets 150 more touches but with the risk of a high ankle sprain or Lisfranc fracture?Sure, he is not 21 or 22, but there are D linemen who are going to be drafted who are not 19 (that was sarcasm).We are all excited by the potential MT has and are eager to see what happens Saturday. I appreciate the feedback and hope you all will enjoy the draft and possible trade(s) as much as I.By the way and near-completely off-topic, I bought a pair of the Vince Young Reebok cross trainers and these are awesome shoes. Very comfortable and excellent soles, grip the floor securely and their width is perfect, as opposed to New Balance which tend to run wide. Very comparable to Adidas in the width. They were on clearance at Finish line.
I would say Turner's value is a little less then ADP but a hell of a lot more than Lynch ( Cause the only thing that makes Lynch a first rounder is the lack of decent RB"s in this years draft and also the need many teams have , but he is far from first round talent ) so after ADP is gone you wil see action surrounding Turner.
another thread on this site, has claimed that AD's shoulder requires surgery, again..if true, this assures MT of being a HOT commodity on draft day, and it's a foregone conclusion that he will , in fact, be traded. with Lynch as the only other 'capable' RB out there, MT now moves front and center....
 
Some comments from AJ on NFLN last night (nothing new):

http://www.dailymotion.com/jcdavey/video/x1t3fd_ajnfln
This guy sounds like a total Moron.....is advantages even a word?
We'll probably never know. I don't think there's any way to find out.
I know it sucks!! If only someone would invent a place we could go to check the validity of the words people use.Maybe a Really Big BOOK or a place on the interweb!!

I'm on it!
Let me help my friend recently designed this web siteFYI - Yes advantages is a word :thumbup:
WOW cool site.....do you know if they have a book version I could buy?
I don't know - it would be REALLY BIG!!
It is! And there are 20 of them!http://www.oed.com/about/

 
All this LJ talk is really messing with me. When can we get back to something important? Like where MT is going? LJ is nothing. If you take away all his runs of 20+ yards, he has an average of 2.something. Please!

 
RB Turner trade not imminent

Written by: Terry McCormick ¦ 4/26/2007

Source: www.nashvillecitypaper.com

In terms of upgrading at running back, a draft day trade for San Diego's Michael Turner remains a possibility.

"The last time I talked to A.J. Smith, we agreed to stay in touch. We both have been using our time preparing for the draft. I don't think the door is closed, but I wouldn't say anything is imminent either," Reinfeldt said.

The Chargers tendered Turner at the highest level ($2.35 million, first and third-round compensation) as a restricted free agent, but found no takers. Talk is that the Chargers might accept less than a first-round pick come draft day. There was a report that not only were the Titans and Buffalo Bills interested, but that as many as four other teams had inquired about Turner as well.

http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com

 
Interesting tidbit from LT himself.

Tomlinson thinks Turner a star in waiting

Apr 26, 2007 | 10:01AM | report this You can count LaDainian Tomlinson as another person who believes that his understudy Michael Turner is ready for primetime.

In talking to the league MVP yesterday, LT said he thinks there is a very realistic chance that Turner is dealt. He knows that the ball club can get a lot of value for his backup. Tomlinson says selfishly he hopes Turner stays, as he was instrumental in keeping him fresh during his sensational 2006 campaign.

Tomlinson reports that Turner’s speed, power, hands, and work ethic will make him a great player as an every down back.

Tomlinson says he is convinced that the team is moving in the right direction. He thought it was paramount to re-sign guard Kris Dielman, who the star back called, ‘an integral player and leader for the Chargers.’ He also likes the offensive system of new Norv Turner. Plus, he raved about how Philip Rivers handled last season and can’t wait to see him develop even more.
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/adams...star_in_waiting

 
This thread is an abomination. As a non-Turner owner, I am rooting against each and every one of you. I hope Smith keeps him, then pays him 5 mill a year to be a backup. :shrug:

 
how about a little more speculation. why not??

what if LJ is traded to Green Bay for a 1st and a 4th (I think I heard this rumor on Sirius this afternoon), then KC turns around and gives one of their 1st round picks for Turner?

 
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how about a little more speculation. why not??what if LJ is traded to Green Bay for a 1st and a 4th (I think I heard this rumor on Sirius this afternoon), then KC turns around and gives one of their 1st round picks for Turner?
AJ uses cheese grater to shave legs before he trades Turner within own division.
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2850586

Highly coveted tailback Michael Turner, the backup to San Diego star LaDainian Tomlinson and the subject of considerable trade discussion over the past two months, has re-signed with the Chargers, inking his one-year restricted free agent qualifying offer.

The qualifying offer, for the highest level permitted by the league, is worth $2.35 million for the 2007 season. Agent James "Bus" Cook confirmed that Turner had re-signed.

Michael Turner

Running Back

San Diego Chargers

Profile

2006 SEASON STATISTICS

Rush Yds TD Rec Yds TD

80 502 2 3 47 0

The Chargers used the highest level to provide themselves a right of first refusal had Turner signed an offer sheet with another franchise during the restricted free-agency period, which ended last Friday. Had another team signed Turner, and San Diego declined to match the deal, the Chargers would have received first- and third-round draft picks as compensation.

That high compensatory price tag scared off several franchises that might otherwise have been interested in signing Turner to an offer sheet. It did not, however, eliminate suitors altogether, as the Tennessee Titans and Buffalo Bills discussed the possibility of trading for the three-year veteran tailback.

Chargers general manager A.J. Smith has said there remain six teams interested in dealing for Turner, but declined to identify clubs beyond the Bills and Titans. Smith has said that he will not merely give Turner away, even though he stands the risk of losing the talented back after this season.

Unless he signs an extension, Turner will be eligible for unrestricted free agency next spring, and would certainly be one of the most attractive players in the veteran pool.

There remains a chance that Turner could be traded during the draft and the consensus in the league is that San Diego will continue to entertain offers on the first day of the lottery. There are several teams in desperate need of a quality tailback and the position isn't a particularly deep one in the draft.

Technically, a trade for Turner might be facilitated now that he has signed the one-year deal with the Chargers, because a player must be under contract to be dealt. But any franchise that acquired Turner would want him to sign an extension as part of the deal, because they would not want to lose him in free agency next spring.

Turner, 25, has carried 157 times for 941 yards and five touchdowns in three seasons. The former Northern Illinois star, a fifth-round choice in the 2004 draft, has appeared in 43 games and started one. Most personnel people in the league feel Turner is one of the top backup tailbacks in the NFL and that he could start for many teams.

Len Pasquarelli is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

 
Full article...

Turner signs tender to open door for potential deal

By Terry McCormick, tmccormick@nashvillecitypaper.com

April 26, 2007

Could Michael Turner be on the move?

Turner took what could be a necessary first step toward facilitating any potential trade by signing his one-year, $2.35 million tender offer on Thursday.

By NFL rules, only players who are officially under contract can be traded.

Turner's agent Bus Cook confirmed to The City Paper that Turner had signed the tender, but was not an indication of a looming trade in the works.

"I wouldn't necessarily think that means anything is going to happen," Cook said

The Tennessee Titans are one of the teams interesting in acquiring the running back, and could even be the frontrunner, though the Buffalo Bills are still believed to be in the running for Turner as well.

Titans general manager Mike Reinfeldt was asked about making a trade for Turner during Thursday's meeting with the local media to discuss the draft.

"Before a player can be traded he actually needs to be signed," Reinfeldt said. "With Turner he will need to sign a contract as a restricted free agent (with San Diego). … But you cannot trade a player who's not signed."

Asked as to whether he would have to have a long-term deal with Turner in place to pull the trigger on any deal, Reinfeldt said, "In theory as long as the player has signed a contract with the existing team and you have an understanding with the agent on what the deal is going to be then teams go ahead and make the trade."

Reinfeldt said he has had some conversations with Cook and that from a timing standpoint it was not out of the realm of possibility.

"From a timing standpoint, I think something can be done if it all fell into place," Reinfeldt said.
I would LOVE to play poker with Reinfeldt. What number do you think Turner will be wearing in Tennessee next year?

 
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Yeah, in fact, this means quite the opposite...come on over to THE Michael Turner thread and have a cup of Joe and chat a while.... :thumbup:

 
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2850586

Highly coveted tailback Michael Turner, the backup to San Diego star LaDainian Tomlinson and the subject of considerable trade discussion over the past two months, has re-signed with the Chargers, inking his one-year restricted free agent qualifying offer.

The qualifying offer, for the highest level permitted by the league, is worth $2.35 million for the 2007 season. Agent James "Bus" Cook confirmed that Turner had re-signed.

Michael Turner

Running Back

San Diego Chargers

Profile

2006 SEASON STATISTICS

Rush Yds TD Rec Yds TD

80 502 2 3 47 0

The Chargers used the highest level to provide themselves a right of first refusal had Turner signed an offer sheet with another franchise during the restricted free-agency period, which ended last Friday. Had another team signed Turner, and San Diego declined to match the deal, the Chargers would have received first- and third-round draft picks as compensation.

That high compensatory price tag scared off several franchises that might otherwise have been interested in signing Turner to an offer sheet. It did not, however, eliminate suitors altogether, as the Tennessee Titans and Buffalo Bills discussed the possibility of trading for the three-year veteran tailback.

Chargers general manager A.J. Smith has said there remain six teams interested in dealing for Turner, but declined to identify clubs beyond the Bills and Titans. Smith has said that he will not merely give Turner away, even though he stands the risk of losing the talented back after this season.

Unless he signs an extension, Turner will be eligible for unrestricted free agency next spring, and would certainly be one of the most attractive players in the veteran pool.

There remains a chance that Turner could be traded during the draft and the consensus in the league is that San Diego will continue to entertain offers on the first day of the lottery. There are several teams in desperate need of a quality tailback and the position isn't a particularly deep one in the draft.

Technically, a trade for Turner might be facilitated now that he has signed the one-year deal with the Chargers, because a player must be under contract to be dealt. But any franchise that acquired Turner would want him to sign an extension as part of the deal, because they would not want to lose him in free agency next spring.

Turner, 25, has carried 157 times for 941 yards and five touchdowns in three seasons. The former Northern Illinois star, a fifth-round choice in the 2004 draft, has appeared in 43 games and started one. Most personnel people in the league feel Turner is one of the top backup tailbacks in the NFL and that he could start for many teams.

Len Pasquarelli is a senior writer for ESPN.com.
Apparently the OP forgot to read this section in his zeal to get another turner thread on the board.
 
Full article...

Turner signs tender to open door for potential deal

By Terry McCormick, tmccormick@nashvillecitypaper.com

April 26, 2007

Could Michael Turner be on the move?

Turner took what could be a necessary first step toward facilitating any potential trade by signing his one-year, $2.35 million tender offer on Thursday.

By NFL rules, only players who are officially under contract can be traded.

Turner's agent Bus Cook confirmed to The City Paper that Turner had signed the tender, but was not an indication of a looming trade in the works.

"I wouldn't necessarily think that means anything is going to happen," Cook said

The Tennessee Titans are one of the teams interesting in acquiring the running back, and could even be the frontrunner, though the Buffalo Bills are still believed to be in the running for Turner as well.

Titans general manager Mike Reinfeldt was asked about making a trade for Turner during Thursday's meeting with the local media to discuss the draft.

"Before a player can be traded he actually needs to be signed," Reinfeldt said. "With Turner he will need to sign a contract as a restricted free agent (with San Diego). … But you cannot trade a player who's not signed."

Asked as to whether he would have to have a long-term deal with Turner in place to pull the trigger on any deal, Reinfeldt said, "In theory as long as the player has signed a contract with the existing team and you have an understanding with the agent on what the deal is going to be then teams go ahead and make the trade."

Reinfeldt said he has had some conversations with Cook and that from a timing standpoint it was not out of the realm of possibility.

"From a timing standpoint, I think something can be done if it all fell into place," Reinfeldt said.
I would LOVE to play poker with Reinfeldt. What number do you think Turner will be wearing in Tennessee next year?
No one in Tenn wears #33 right now so that would be my first guess. Also, #32 would be available too seeing how our good pal Pacman won't have any use for it in 2007.
 
how about a little more speculation. why not??what if LJ is traded to Green Bay for a 1st and a 4th (I think I heard this rumor on Sirius this afternoon), then KC turns around and gives one of their 1st round picks for Turner?
AJ uses cheese grater to shave legs before he trades Turner within own division.
This is exactly why I think AJ ends up trading him. He still controls his destiny and can at this point assure Turner plays in another division for the next four/five years. After this year, Turner can sign with Oakland, KC, or Denver. After LJ voids his contract next year, each of these three teams could quite possibly need a RB.
 
Did you even read the article?
:goodposting: Given the thread title, I had this sick feeling in my stomach thinking we were going to see that he'd signed a multi-year deal.
I was really hoping he did. (I'm a Charger fan, not a Michael Turner dynasty owner.)But alas, he just signed the $2.35M tender offer that's a prerequisite to anything else happening. He has to sign that in order to be traded, and he has to sign that in order to play for the Chargers next year. All it means is that he's not going to hold out, which was never really a concern anyway.So ... nothing to see here.
 
Did you even read the article?
:lmao: Given the thread title, I had this sick feeling in my stomach thinking we were going to see that he'd signed a multi-year deal.
I was really hoping he did. (I'm a Charger fan, not a Michael Turner dynasty owner.)But alas, he just signed the $2.35M tender offer that's a prerequisite to anything else happening. He has to sign that in order to be traded, and he has to sign that in order to play for the Chargers next year. All it means is that he's not going to hold out, which was never really a concern anyway.

So ... nothing to see here.
WINNER! He'll be a Titan by Saturday night.

 
The thing that is telling to me is that he signed the contract 2 days before the draft. To me that screams draft day trade.
Possibly, but if he doesn't sign it before the draft, a trade can't happen. The signing at least offers the opportunity to get something done, although it's still all about how much teams are willing to surrender when push comes to shove.
 
I think the Titans will try to trade for him when they get on the clock for Round 2. The team has a long history of milking it's picks and I expect tomorrow to be no different.

 
I think the Titans will try to trade for him when they get on the clock for Round 2. The team has a long history of milking it's picks and I expect tomorrow to be no different.
I highly doubt a 2nd alone gets it done. This years 2nd and next years 2nd may do it though.
 
Today's Update:

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../704270442/1027

Reinfeldt said the Titans are still interested in trading for Chargers running back Michael Turner, a restricted free agent.

Conversations with Turner's agent, Bus Cook, are at a point where a contract could be reached pretty quickly, Reinfeldt said, as long as the Titans and Chargers are able to agree on compensation.

Agreeing to a trade is another matter. The Chargers are still believed to be asking for a first-round pick, and the Titans won't give up that much. If the Chargers are willing to take a second-round pick, indications are the deal could happen.

On Thursday, Turner signed his tender offer from the Chargers. Players have to be signed and under contract for a trade to be completed.

"He did sign the tender, but that doesn't mean anything," Cook said. "There's absolutely no discussions with anybody."

 
I think the Titans will try to trade for him when they get on the clock for Round 2. The team has a long history of milking it's picks and I expect tomorrow to be no different.
I highly doubt a 2nd alone gets it done. This years 2nd and next years 2nd may do it though.
I agree. Simply take note of almost ANY contract negotiation A.J. has entered into (Antonio Gates, Philip Rivers, etc.). He names his price, tells you that's all he's laying on the table, and sticks to it.
 
If the Chargers are willing to take a second-round pick, indications are the deal could happen.
If the Chargers were willing to take a 6th or 7th round pick, the deal would have happened already. This wasn't a very useful comment.
 
I think the Titans will try to trade for him when they get on the clock for Round 2. The team has a long history of milking it's picks and I expect tomorrow to be no different.
I highly doubt a 2nd alone gets it done. This years 2nd and next years 2nd may do it though.
:confused:
I think a 2nd would definitely get the job done. The Chargers have two chances to trade him: now, when they can actually use the pick in 2007 to improve, or during training camp when someone blows out a knee. At that point, the pick would (obviously) be a 2008 pick. Short of that, he walks.I think a deal gets done tomorrow.
 
I think the Titans will try to trade for him when they get on the clock for Round 2. The team has a long history of milking it's picks and I expect tomorrow to be no different.
I highly doubt a 2nd alone gets it done. This years 2nd and next years 2nd may do it though.
:confused:
you can laugh all you want but AJ views Turner as a highly valuable backup RB and kick returner and the anticipated compensation when Turner signs as a FA is a 3rd rounder. Tenn is sitting in the middle of the 2nd so the value is not that great in comparison to the insurance/special teams contributions/3rd rounder they will receive. A mid 2nd alone won't do it.
 
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you can laugh all you want but AJ views Turner as a highly valuable backup RB and kick returner and the anticipated compensation when Turner signs as a FA is a 3rd rounder. Tenn is sitting in the middle of the 2nd so the value is not that great in comparison to the insurance/special teams contributions/3rd rounder they will receive. A mid 2nd alone won't do it.
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