*** Official Michael Turner 2007 offseason thread *** (2 Viewers)

[zamboni]

(Technically, the chargers gave him the second highest tender, not the highest. The highest is just a first, the second highest is a first and third, and the third highest is just a first . . . If that doesn't make a lot of sense, that's why the highest tender has never been used.)

I can see Matt Millen in heavy discussions right now with the Ford family as to whether to use the first or third highest tender for their most prized RFA this year.

If Millen had half a brain, he would trade down, get extra picks, and then trade for Turner at a lower position in the draft order. Why would he take Turner if he could have his choice of the best rookies? If he didn't like any of the rookies over Turner, he should move down and then trade.

It seems like Kevin Jones will be ready for training camp, so I doubt they'd pony up for Turner. If they want insurance, they'd probably look for a cheaper guy like Rhodes first IMO.

 

[Byron_nyc]

From a fantasy perspective -- this makes the #1 overall redraft pick that much more valuable. You get the best RB in the land, and you can grab the best backup RB in the league down the line. I have the first overall pick next year in one league, and I am just psyched to pick up the whole SD backfield and sleep easy all year about my #1 RB.

 

[Chase Stuart]

From a fantasy perspective -- this makes the #1 overall redraft pick that much more valuable. You get the best RB in the land, and you can grab the best backup RB in the league down the line. I have the first overall pick next year in one league, and I am just psyched to pick up the whole SD backfield and sleep easy all year about my #1 RB.

I'm thinking you'll have to use your 7.01 on Turner, if you want to be certain to lock up that backfield.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Smart move by the Chargers. As of 2/9, the Chargers had around $21M of cap room. $2.35M for one year to ensure they have a solid backup is not that bad. If someone does make them an offer, then they make out even better.

They didnt do that to have a 2.35 million dollar backup. They didnt it to insure Denver wasnt going to get him. I would be very shocked if he isnt traded. The Chargers know they should get some picks instead of nothing in two years

They are close to a Super Bowl, keeping Turner this year will help their chances. As a Turner owner, I'm hoping he gets dealt to the Jets or other teams, but I'd bet against it.

I totally agree. I'd love to see him somewhere else, but if I was AJ Smith you'd have to pony up the 1st and 3rd to get him. And it'd have to be a mid round first too, not a bottom 5 first rounder.

 

[Byron_nyc]

Its like the year you could clean up with Priest and LJ -- good times, good times.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

(Technically, the chargers gave him the second highest tender, not the highest. The highest is just a first, the second highest is a first and third, and the third highest is just a first . . . If that doesn't make a lot of sense, that's why the highest tender has never been used.)

I can see Matt Millen in heavy discussions right now with the Ford family as to whether to use the first or third highest tender for their most prized RFA this year.

I doubt it.A team like Baltimore could stomach the lossof a LOW first and third rather than theLions parting with the 2nd pick in the draft.Obviously the Lions are NOT in the running for MT.

 

[Byron_nyc]

From a fantasy perspective -- this makes the #1 overall redraft pick that much more valuable. You get the best RB in the land, and you can grab the best backup RB in the league down the line. I have the first overall pick next year in one league, and I am just psyched to pick up the whole SD backfield and sleep easy all year about my #1 RB.

I'm thinking you'll have to use your 7.01 on Turner, if you want to be certain to lock up that backfield.

I'm sure you're right. I think its worth it. At 7.01 Turner would be likely by the third RB I've taken, and I'd have two WRs, a QB, and another player already on the roster. A good time to take a bench player -- or am I wrong?

 

[MG345]

(Technically, the chargers gave him the second highest tender, not the highest. The highest is just a first, the second highest is a first and third, and the third highest is just a first . . . If that doesn't make a lot of sense, that's why the highest tender has never been used.)

Whaaa?

From the CBA:

(i) For Restricted Free Agents with three Accrued Seasons:

(1) Right of First Refusal: one year Player Contract with Paragraph 5 Salary of at least $721,600 for the 2006 League Year, $850,000 for the 2007 League Year, $927,000 for the 2008 League Year, $1,010,000 for the 2009 League Year, $1,101,000 for the 2010 League Year, $1,200,000 for the 2011 League Year, or $1,308,000 for the 2012 League Year, as applicable;

(2) Right of First Refusal and Draft Selection at Player’s Original Draft Round: one year Player Contract with a Paragraph 5 Salary of at least (a) the amount set forth in Subsection (b)(i)(1) above, or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, whichever is greater; in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged (this Subsection is subject to the rules of Subsection © below);

(3) Right of First Refusal, One Second Round Draft Selection: one year Player Contract with a Paragraph 5 Salary of at least (a) $1,300,000 in the 2007 League Year, $1,417,000 in the 2008 League Year, $1,545,000 in the 2009 League Year, $1,684,000 in the 2010 League Year, $1,835,000 in the 2011 League Year, or $2,000,000 in the 2012 League Year, as applicable, or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, whichever is greater; in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged;

(4) Right of First Refusal and One First Round Draft Selection: one year Player Contract with a Paragraph 5 Salary of at least (a) $1,573,000 for the 2006 League Year, $1,850,000 for the 2007 League Year, $2,017,000 for the 2008 League Year, $2,198,000 for the 2009 League Year, $2,396,000 for the 2010 League Year, $2,611,000 for the 2011 League Year, or $2,846,000 for the 2012 League Year, as applicable, or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, whichever is greater; in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged

(5) Right of First Refusal, One First Round Draft Selection, and One Third Round Draft Selection: one year Player Contract with a Paragraph 5 Salary of at least (a) $2,096,600 for the 2006 League Year, $2,350,000 for the 2007 League Year, $2,562,000 for the 2008 League Year, $2,792,000 for the 2009 League Year, $3,043,000 for the 2010 League Year, $3,317,000 for the 2011 League Year, or $3,616,000 for the 2012 League Year, as applicable, or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, whichever is greater; in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged;

...

(m) Notwithstanding the foregoing, in the event that the Prior Club of a Restricted Free Agent has tendered the player a Qualifying Offer pursuant to this Article XIX, Section 2(m) in an amount at least $500,000 greater than that specified by Subsections 2(b)(i)(5) or 2(b)(ii)(5) above, as applicable depending upon whether the League Year is a Capped Year or an Uncapped Year, or by Article LVI, Section (b), if applicable, then the Club shall have a Right of First Refusal and Draft Choice Compensation of only One First Round Selection, but any provision in an Offer Sheet to such player waiving or limiting the New Club’s ability to designate the player as a Franchise Player or Transition Player in the future shall not be a Principal Term, and therefore need not be included in a contract formed with the Prior Club as a result of matching such an Offer Sheet (but shall be included in a contract formed with the New Club as a result of the Prior Club not matching such an Offer Sheet).

So the highest tender offer for 2007 would be $2,850,000 under subsection (m), but would give the tendering team draft choice compensation of only one first round selection.Turner got a $2,350,000 tender offer under subsection (b)(i)(5), which gives the Chargers draft choice compensation of one first round selection and one third round selection.

The advantage to making the $2,850,000 offer is that the Chargers would not have to match any promise by another club not to franchise Turner the following year. However, this advantage is not nearly enough to offset the disadvantage of paying more money (if the player stays) or foregoing a third round draft pick (if he leaves), so no team has ever used it.

I am not reading this the same way, or maybe it is just semantics. It may not be the highest monetary amount, due to the stipulation of subsection (m), but that truly is the highest tender level, getting a 1st and 3rd.What I mean is there is no distiction in the wording of the contract as to which is "higher" or more valuable. They are just different, one you get an extra pick, the other the teams have the ability to void certain aspects of a contractual offer from another team.

 

[andyk]

I can see some situations where the ability to void contract clauses would be more valuable then a third round pick. assume the first round pick does not have to be your original pick, for example Denver trades its first round pick to say Indy for thier first round pick and a third (just to make the example easy) Denver then turns around negotiates a deal that SD can't match and gives SD the colts first and third round picks. I am sure that won't happen but it would make the option where you can void certain parts of the deal very valuable to SD.

 

[zamboni]

One thing that may make the 1st/3rd tender more doable for some teams is that they may soon be getting back compensatory picks from past FA losses.

While I doubt a team will want to pony up a 1st/3rd regardless, it's still something that may weigh on an interested team's mind.

 

[Harry Beanbag]

Other than Rhodes (and now JLew because he got cut yesterday) what other RBs are out there on the FA market come Friday? I think Turner will get a lot interest because he has demonstrated he can play plus he is young and has low mileage sitting the bench behind LT.

 

[MG345]

Right, I completely agree. What I am saying is the idea of one being higher than the other is non-contextual concept, because the wording of the contract does not state that. If anything, they way it is worded makes it seem like the 1st and 3rd tender is considered the highest level (by the 1 through 5 prefacing each level of tender) where as the subsection (m) seems to be a situational tender:

Notwithstanding the foregoing, in the event that the Prior Club of a Restricted Free Agent has tendered the player a Qualifying Offer pursuant to this Article XIX, Section 2(m) in an amount at least $500,000 greater than that specified by Subsections 2(b)(i)(5) or 2(b)(ii)(5) above, as applicable depending upon whether the League Year is a Capped Year or an Uncapped Year, or by Article LVI, Section (b), if applicable...

 

[kbleck]

What about the Texans? Seems like they could sure use a guy like Turner.

 

[JohnnyU]

What about the Texans? Seems like they could sure use a guy like Turner.

They don't deserve Turner after passing on Bush

 

[Gr00vus]

As a Turner owner, I'm hoping he gets dealt to the Jets or other teams, but I'd bet against it.

Agreed, but if I'm Turner's agent, I'm working the phones as aggressively as possible. While Turner would be free to sign anywhere in 2008, a lot can happen by this time next year - he could get hurt, have an off-year, or face poor supply/demand dynamics (glut of RBs with few possible destinations).

I think that's already happened this yearillon

Rhodes

Lewis

Jordan?

C. Brown?

Henry?

Green?

T. Jones?

McGahee?

Portis? (don't think so)

plus the incoming rookies

Peterson

Lynch

etc...

I'm sure I'm forgetting some. Turner might be the best of that bunch, but he'll come at a higher price. I think he's already facing poor supply demand dynamics - unless of course he's the reason all those other teams felt comfortable letting their guys go. I doubt that.

Though I think the best move for the Chargers long term is to trade Turner now for draft picks in outlying years to a team that is not a direct competitor and signing one of the above guys as a backup, it seems to me like they're probably going to end up keeping Turner this year as LaDainian insurance. With the way the offseason has gone down so far the brass has a ton at stake in terms of winning big in 2007 and Turner definitely helps out in that area.

 

[oukurt]

I just don't think a team that is this close to a championship would worry too much about losing their proven back-up RB next year for nothing. Not to say they wouldn't if they got a deal they could live with, but I don't think they're going to shop him around.

This guy gets it. Winning a SB would more than make up for getting nothing out of Turner.

Explain this to me like I am a small child. So why wouldn't the Chargers want to get a pick(s) for him this year and get nothing next year? Forgive for me being an idiot when it comes to this RFA business.

 

[LHUCKS]

I just don't think a team that is this close to a championship would worry too much about losing their proven back-up RB next year for nothing. Not to say they wouldn't if they got a deal they could live with, but I don't think they're going to shop him around.

This guy gets it. Winning a SB would more than make up for getting nothing out of Turner.

Explain this to me like I am a small child. So why wouldn't the Chargers want to get a pick(s) for him this year and get nothing next year? Forgive for me being an idiot when it comes to this RFA business.

They would rather have RB security/depth than draft picks.

 

[Bri]

Explain this to me like I am a small child. So why wouldn't the Chargers want to get a pick(s) for him this year and get nothing next year? Forgive for me being an idiot when it comes to this RFA business.

RBs are like blankies, the more you have the better.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Right, I completely agree. What I am saying is the idea of one being higher than the other is non-contextual concept, because the wording of the contract does not state that.

Yes, the 1st and 3rd under (b)(i)(5) is the "highest" going by draft choice compensation, while the 1st under (m) is the "highest" going by the amount of money tendered. I was going by money.

 

[oukurt]

I just don't think a team that is this close to a championship would worry too much about losing their proven back-up RB next year for nothing. Not to say they wouldn't if they got a deal they could live with, but I don't think they're going to shop him around.

This guy gets it. Winning a SB would more than make up for getting nothing out of Turner.

Explain this to me like I am a small child. So why wouldn't the Chargers want to get a pick(s) for him this year and get nothing next year? Forgive for me being an idiot when it comes to this RFA business.

They would rather have RB security/depth than draft picks.

Seems like a high price to pay. I know he has looked good at times, but he isn't a proven commodity right? If LT2 was injury prone, then I understand why they keep Turner. Are there reasons other than RB security/depth?

 

[Banger]

I just don't think a team that is this close to a championship would worry too much about losing their proven back-up RB next year for nothing. Not to say they wouldn't if they got a deal they could live with, but I don't think they're going to shop him around.

This guy gets it. Winning a SB would more than make up for getting nothing out of Turner.

Explain this to me like I am a small child. So why wouldn't the Chargers want to get a pick(s) for him this year and get nothing next year? Forgive for me being an idiot when it comes to this RFA business.

They would rather have RB security/depth than draft picks.

Seems like a high price to pay. I know he has looked good at times, but he isn't a proven commodity right? If LT2 was injury prone, then I understand why they keep Turner. Are there reasons other than RB security/depth?

nope, that's it, but it's a big it. Any player can get hurt and just because he hasn't doesn't mean he won't. Turner is the best backup by far and would start for 1/2 the teams in the NFL. He's a very good insurance policy.ETA...I think too many people think that the NFL is too much like fantasy football and don't realize that teams just can't go out midseason and grab someone off the waiver wire and plug him in. Depth is an extremely important asset in the NFL due to the nature of the game.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I just don't think a team that is this close to a championship would worry too much about losing their proven back-up RB next year for nothing. Not to say they wouldn't if they got a deal they could live with, but I don't think they're going to shop him around.

This guy gets it. Winning a SB would more than make up for getting nothing out of Turner.

Explain this to me like I am a small child. So why wouldn't the Chargers want to get a pick(s) for him this year and get nothing next year? Forgive for me being an idiot when it comes to this RFA business.

They would rather have RB security/depth than draft picks.

Seems like a high price to pay. I know he has looked good at times, but he isn't a proven commodity right? If LT2 was injury prone, then I understand why they keep Turner. Are there reasons other than RB security/depth?

They are trying to make a run at the Super Bowl in 2007, and Turner would be an indispensable part of that if LT got hurt.If we assume that another team will offer a first-rounder for Turner this year, the choice for the Chargers is between a 2007 first-rounder, on the one hand, or a year of Turner's services plus a 2009 third-rounder, on the other.I don't think it's a trivially easy call.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Turner is the best backup by far and would start for 1/2 the teams in the NFL. He's a very good insurance policy.

I think he would start for far more than half the teams.Turner is a backup in San Diego, but Larry Johnson would also be a backup in San Diego.

 

[Colin Dowling]

My favorite *rumor so far is the one on CNNSI this morning that had Washington trading for Jon Vilma if they can't sign Clements or Baker-Fletcher. Unless I missed something, can someone tell me on what planet is Jon Vilma available for a trade?

This is like the worthless Red Sox rumors that the Boston press dreams up..."If the Red Sox don't sign Roger Clemens, expecting them to trade Craig Hansen for Albert Pujols and Chris Carpenter....short of that, they may unload Julian Tavares for Dontrelle Willis..."

 

[MG345]

Right, I completely agree. What I am saying is the idea of one being higher than the other is non-contextual concept, because the wording of the contract does not state that.

Yes, the 1st and 3rd under (b)(i)(5) is the "highest" going by draft choice compensation, while the 1st under (m) is the "highest" going by the amount of money tendered. I was going by money.

Thank you. From the section of the CBA it looks like subsection (m) is only applicable in certain situations. As I am not the best at understanding contracts, do you know what situations it is applicable?

 

[Banger]

Turner is the best backup by far and would start for 1/2 the teams in the NFL. He's a very good insurance policy.

I think he would start for far more than half the teams.Turner is a backup in San Diego, but Larry Johnson would also be a backup in San Diego.

Agreed.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Right, I completely agree. What I am saying is the idea of one being higher than the other is non-contextual concept, because the wording of the contract does not state that.

Yes, the 1st and 3rd under (b)(i)(5) is the "highest" going by draft choice compensation, while the 1st under (m) is the "highest" going by the amount of money tendered. I was going by money.

Thank you. From the section of the CBA it looks like subsection (m) is only applicable in certain situations. As I am not the best at understanding contracts, do you know what situations it is applicable?

Subsection (m) is always an option. The "if applicable" refers to Article LVI, which is applicable only during the final year of the CBA (which would not have a salary cap). Article LVI just increases the amount of all the tender offers, so the $500,000 under subsection (m) would be added to a larger number in the final year of the CBA.

 

[DanFouts]

Turner is the best backup by far and would start for 1/2 the teams in the NFL. He's a very good insurance policy.

I think he would start for far more than half the teams.Turner is a backup in San Diego, but Larry Johnson would also be a backup in San Diego.

 

[MG345]

So in reality there are 6 different ways for a player to be tendered?

 

[J-Rock]

Do the picks come from the team acquiring Turner or are they bonus picks added at the end of the round by the NFL?

With the way NFL teams value draft picks these days I think you'd be hard pressed to find a team willing to give up their 1st and 3rd pick for LT, let alone Turner.

 

[MG345]

Do the picks come from the team acquiring Turner or are they bonus picks added at the end of the round by the NFL?With the way NFL teams value draft picks these days I think you'd be hard pressed to find a team willing to give up their 1st and 3rd pick for LT, let alone Turner.

They come from the team aquiring Turner.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

So in reality there are 6 different ways for a player to be tendered?

Yes.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

BTW, I started a poll last night on a Charger board. So far:

18 people think Turner will probably remain a Charger this year.

7 people think it's about 50-50.

3 people think Turner will probably be traded this year.

(I voted 50-50.)

I did not add "another team will acquire him without trading for him by giving up a first and third for him" as a choice, but I guess that's possible as well.

 

[MG345]

Tremblay, thank you for your input! I like to have the best understanding of this stuff, and since the new CBA came out I have been behind a little bit.

 

[J-Rock]

Do the picks come from the team acquiring Turner or are they bonus picks added at the end of the round by the NFL?With the way NFL teams value draft picks these days I think you'd be hard pressed to find a team willing to give up their 1st and 3rd pick for LT, let alone Turner.

They come from the team aquiring Turner.

Wow!!!Looks like Turner will remain a Charger for another year.

 

[cstu]

Do the picks come from the team acquiring Turner or are they bonus picks added at the end of the round by the NFL?With the way NFL teams value draft picks these days I think you'd be hard pressed to find a team willing to give up their 1st and 3rd pick for LT, let alone Turner.

They come from the team aquiring Turner.

Wow!!!Looks like Turner will remain a Charger for another year.

I doubt a team pays the 1st and 3rd but it at least gives the Chargers a chance to negotiate a trade. The biggest holdup in the trade would be Turner's long-term contract that will likely end up more than Lamont Jordan's, which is much more than a rookie contract would be. If it gets done it will be because a team think Turner is much better than any RB they can draft.

 

[Da Guru]

Making the first-and-third tender was the pretty obvious move, but it doesn't help clarify the issue of where he'll be next year.Maybe he'll be traded, maybe he won't be.

They had to do it..good investment either way.

 

[JayMan]

On a nice little day in NYC

A young man by the surname of AD

Unfortunately goes to the Brownies

A little later in the day

Marshawn is on his way to Green Bay

And then it happens suddenly

The first dring-dring in a while

AJ Smith listens carefully

Your first for the Burner? he replies

Thinking about it for a while

A first is better than a smile

No need for a conditional one later on

You have found your back Mr. Tannenbaum...

 

[RC94]

I was kind of surprised to read this blurb on Foxsports about Turner and his abilities:

(under the category of "Free Agents Who Should Stay Put):

Michael Turner, running back, Chargers

A restricted free agent, Turner is in the right situation as the backup to LaDainian Tomlinson. He's a good kickoff returner and gets to do that in San Diego, and a good third-down back and gets to do that in San Diego. If another team signs him to a big contract, he'll become the every-down back, and that's not where his skills are best used.

He also says that Petitgout was the best offensive lineman for the Giants for the past few years, which I also don't agree with. Their entire interior line, especially Snee, are better than Luke "you mean I'm not supposed to start blocking before the snap??" Petitgout.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6519368

 

[Riffraff]

Do the picks come from the team acquiring Turner or are they bonus picks added at the end of the round by the NFL?

Can't trade compensatory picks given by the league office.

 

[-OZ-]

Do the picks come from the team acquiring Turner or are they bonus picks added at the end of the round by the NFL?

Can't trade compensatory picks given by the league office.

This in no way answers his question.It's not a trade and the signing team keeps their picks. Compensatory picks are added at the end of the round. So the 3rd on has more than 32 picks in each round.

 

[Gandalf]

It might just be posturing but it looks like me and fellow Turner owners will have to wait another year to see Turner get a starting shot somewhere. Ah well, I can wait another year...

From Rotoworld:

Michael Turner-RB-Chargers Mar. 2 - 9:21 am et

Chargers GM A.J. Smith doesn't sound willing to entertain trade offers for Michael Turner.

"It's over," Smith told the New York Daily News. "It'll take a 1 and a 3." No one is going to pay that price, so it looks like Turner will indeed back up LaDainian Tomlinson again in 2007. Keeper league owners should remain patient with Turner.

 

[Yitbos69]

I was just thinking can Turner Hold out by not signing the Tender or even after he signs the tender to try and force a trade?

 

[toxicbees]

Chargers GM A.J. Smith doesn't sound willing to entertain trade offers for Michael Turner."It's over," Smith told the New York Daily News. "It'll take a 1 and a 3."

 

[Gandalf]

Chargers GM A.J. Smith doesn't sound willing to entertain trade offers for Michael Turner."It's over," Smith told the New York Daily News. "It'll take a 1 and a 3."

Not worth crying over. If he stays, he stays. Then he'll hit the free agent market next year, and you never know, possibly in a better spot that he would if the Chargers trade him now. Unless of course you only have him for 1 more year. If that's the case, cry away...

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I was just thinking can Turner Hold out by not signing the Tender or even after he signs the tender to try and force a trade?

I dont think RFA's have much leverage

 

[Banger]

I was just thinking can Turner Hold out by not signing the Tender or even after he signs the tender to try and force a trade?

why? It's not as if he won't get paid well. He'll get $2.3 mill this year and a boatload next year. I've never heard him to be a malcontent or complain for playing time and don't see him making this move on the cusp of a huge FA payday. Such a move would probably have a negative impact on teams willing to sign him.

 

[Yitbos69]

I was just thinking can Turner Hold out by not signing the Tender or even after he signs the tender to try and force a trade?

why? It's not as if he won't get paid well. He'll get $2.3 mill this year and a boatload next year. I've never heard him to be a malcontent or complain for playing time and don't see him making this move on the cusp of a huge FA payday. Such a move would probably have a negative impact on teams willing to sign him.

The only reasson I could think of is that he wants to be a starter and by SD putting a 1st and 3rd tender on him blocked him from doing that.

 

[zamboni]

He'll get $2.3 mill this year and a boatload next year.

The first part is true, but the second could very well change. Which is why I'm sure MT and his agent will try to get him a starting gig this year. Of course, AJ shrewdly used the highest tender to pretty much entirely put the ball in the Chargers' court.

 

[Toads]

I've been following the M. Turner sweepstakes and it occures to me that DEN needs a RB, as in big time.

This deal with Turner being tendered for a first and third rounder leads me to believe that he's untouchable, at least that's the standard line.

But, here's where the extra third rounder that DEN has comes into play: Turner is guaranteed a minimum of $2.85 M for '07 due to the tender offer. SDC is able to match, depends on the offers structure and length. So far, so good.

What keeps DEN from spending their first rounder, spending one of their third round choices and and increasing the anti-up on a real deal for Turner?

Basically, it costs DEN a first rounder for Turner.....and their "extra" third round choice. A first rounder for Turner isn't all that bad of a deal: a low milage, high reward RB.

Play this off against moving up with the third rounder to get Lynch, moving into the top 15 choices would probably do it....right ahead of GBP.

DEN is placing them selves into finding/needing a top line RB and it's gonna be interesting to see how it unfolds.