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Yep. The Pack still has pretty glaring needs at S, DL, TE. Could see TT taking any of those positions in rd 1, maybe even trade down and pick up a WR.
What if you believe, as I have heard from many sources, that Burner could easily be one of the top ten to fifteen backs in the league?
I'm sorry but that is just not true
some around here think he can be. I'm not as high on him, but he has the potential to be very good.What sources are those?
Top ten to fifteen places him in the upper third to top half of the starters. It's hardly a stretch if you have seen him play.
Why not?What sources are those?
It depends on GB's OL. If they are as bad as they were last year I don't see the value in Turner as a top 10/15 RB.
So if the line is not as good the player isn't as good? The line doesn't change the player. It may change the production but Turner is Turner no matter where he plays.
And so you are willing to bet an early FF draft pick(based on top 10/15 RB finish) on Turner even though he has been a career back up who only plays when SD is way ahead and the opposing DEF has all but mailed in the game? I like Turner, had him last year thinking I could have a monster if LT went down for any amount of time. But becoming an everydown back in a new system on a considerably less talented team seems like a bit of a risk as an early pick. I'll take him as a #3 RB but at top 10/15 you are talking a #1/#2 RB in terms your FF draft. I think there are better risks for RB1/RB2 before I would pick Turner early. JMO.
Same system as Denver. Where would you rank him if he went to Denver and start all 16 games?
Yes. Look at Edge in Arizona vs Indy. Its the line, the QB fake, and the down field blocking that make the back a top 10 pick. The back also needs to be good but its the combo that counts.And the play calling. Look at Lamont Jordan in 2005 and Gore in 2006 with Norv Turner calling the plays.
I'm not sure who you are thinking of, but Turner gets a good chunk of his carries in the second and third quarters. Half of his career fourth quarter carries have been when his team was within seven points one way or the other. Also, to call him a "career backup" is to mischaracterize him. His "career" has only been three seasons long, and the reason he has been a backup is because he happens to be on the same team as the best back in the league.
I don't think GB is really taking his fantasy value into much consideration.
Maybe the same system but the production does not seem to be the same for a variety of reasons. The GB defense does not allow the offense to depend on the run because they give up so many points. No doubt if Turner went to DEN I would be all over him.
Nor should they. My post is in terms of FF.
Sabretooth's point is still valid. Turner's ability won't change based on his system or his line, only his productivity.BTW, the Chargers' line was in disarray in 2005 (chemistry problems, new blocking system, injuries), yet Turner still managed 5.9 yards per carry.
True but the"one cut" system has made stars our of good backs. In 2005 I believe Turner was running behind one of the best fullbacks in the NFL. Shame the Packers didn't sign Smith or Griffith.
turner also delivered the killing blow to the colts in handing them their first loss in 05 while tomlinson was gimpy on the sidelines with his 83 yard td run.
It's "Challenge Everything" who bashes PFT at every opportunity.Turner is going to demand a decent contract and the difference between picks 16 and 30 is huge, so...if the Packers could acquire Turner and #30 in exchange for #16 and a 4th rounder I'd say do it. If SD demands a swap of 1sts & a 2nd forget it - just draft a RB in the 1st or second round.
nathanbalboa said:
and PFT has posted some seriously mis-guided "information" in the past. including announcing that Favre had retired.has anything they've EVER reported come true? or is it a sports tabloid??
They've gotten stuff right before. But I don't think they've ever gotten anything right involving the Chargers. So this one probably won't come true either.nathanbalboa said:
has anything they've EVER reported come true? or is it a sports tabloid??
Ahman Green finished as the #15 RB in FBG scoring last year. Coming off an injury many here thought would end his career, and also with some rookie O-lineman, that's not too bad. The O-line will only get better as they mature and get more knowledge and experience in the zone blocking system. I see no reason why a guy with Turner's skill set wouldn't be close to a top #15 RB in Green Bay. Assuming health of course.
If I have 2 RBs in the bank and my 3rd pick comes up and MT is there I would probably take him. But I don't think I would take him as my #2 if guys like Maroney, T. Jones, Bush, MBIII are there as they should be in a redraft. I just don't think GB is an ideal situation for a RB like it once was. It would be interesting though to see where he goes in mock drafts in late August. I suspect he will get drafted earlier than I would feel comfortable taking him.
I don't see why this is so unbelievable. Perhaps based on the trades of running backs that have happened this season this rumor is hard to believe, but Turner is younger and arguably has more potential than those backs. When you work out the values of this deal, it's equivalent to a late first for Turner. Can you imagine Ted Thompson taking Marshawn Lynch in the first? If so, I don't see why a trade couldn't be made valuing Turner at a late first. Of course it's pretty unlikely that any trade happens and even more unlikely that this specific trade happens, but don't dismiss all of these rumors out of hand.nathanbalboa said:
Did you watch the video? He was hit at or behind the line of scrimmage in almost every one of those clips. For me, this puts an end to the argument that he is the product of a good offensive line.Thanks for the clip. I only wish it would have been attached to one of the many already-existent Turner threads.
Great video, great music.... Modest Mouse rocks! 
Agreed - he had the misfortune of slipping big time in the draft, and wound up in the worst spot to fully show his skills. He'll get his shot, but as you noted, it probably won't last long given the short shelf life for NFL RBs.As for the video, it's clear that this guy is a beast. No wonder AJ Smith put the highest tender on him, knowing that teams would be willing to fork over a 1st for him. I particularly like the run against Tennessee, where only Pac-Man Jones could catch him.
I use the words "A poor mans so and so" or "a rich mans so and so" or (very poor, very rich etc...)I think that Turner is a rich mans Lamont Jordan and agree that the low to the ground powerful legs and "balling ball" type of running does make them look similar. I also think that Lamont Jordan is not getting the respect he deserves. He was the only bright spot for the Raiders two years ago. I would rather have him then many of the starting RB's in the NFL. He is probably a below average starter, but in a straight up situation I would rather have Lamont than Thomas Jones.All that being said, Turner is a rich mans Lamont and is a top 10 back in terms of talent IMO. Put him away, use a roster spot and roll him out next year.
So, what sources again? There's a reason this guy was drafted late and is an NFL backup.Top ten to fifteen places him in the upper third to top half of the starters. It's hardly a stretch if you have seen him play.What sources are those?
Wow, he's faster than you would think given his bowling ball style of running. That one video where he breaks free, against the Titans, it takes Pacman Jones a while to catch him from behind, and Pacman is one of the faster players in the NFL.
Perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully as the word "source" can have the connotation of "insider," especially in a football sense. I certainly didn't mean to imply that I am connected in any way. I simply meant that I have heard many people state as much. The people that I was referring to as sources are people that I know spend a lot of time studying the game, whether they do so professionally, here on this site, or otherwise. There are way too many of them to give proper credit to, and such a list would be too exhaustive for me to give the proper amount of time to.Coming from a guy who proves just how little he knows about football everytime he posts, you should be appreciative for such insight. Instead of your typical knee-jerk
reaction, just read and learn.
So, what sources again? There's a reason this guy was drafted late and is an NFL backup.Top ten to fifteen places him in the upper third to top half of the starters. It's hardly a stretch if you have seen him play.What sources are those?
The only thing he's "easily" is one of the most overrated players in the NFL.
so many things wrong with this line of thinking.
Plus, as for the being drafted late, there's a long line of players that slipped. As for Turner, he seemed to have a small-school bias working against him coming out of Northern Illinois.So, what sources again? There's a reason this guy was drafted late and is an NFL backup.Top ten to fifteen places him in the upper third to top half of the starters. It's hardly a stretch if you have seen him play.
The only thing he's "easily" is one of the most overrated players in the NFL.
First being that he is behind the greatest RB of his generation, and maybe top 5 of all time.
yeah, Tom Brady was a 6th rounder, he's lucky to be in the league.Plus, as for the being drafted late, there's a long line of players that slipped. As for Turner, he seemed to have a small-school bias working against him coming out of Northern Illinois.So, what sources again? There's a reason this guy was drafted late and is an NFL backup.Top ten to fifteen places him in the upper third to top half of the starters. It's hardly a stretch if you have seen him play.
The only thing he's "easily" is one of the most overrated players in the NFL.so many things wrong with this line of thinking.
First being that he is behind the greatest RB of his generation, and maybe top 5 of all time.
I'm also a fan of Lamont Jordan and think he's being unfairly ostracised by the pool lately(as any high draft pick bust is every year) but I don't really see that close a resemblance between the two runners. While I like Jordan I've never seen him run away from defenders the way Turner can. He's harder to tackle than Jordan and can run right past you.
What sources are those?
