*** Official Michael Turner 2007 offseason thread *** (2 Viewers)

[Maurile Tremblay]

This makes sense if you assume that Lynch and Turner are equal talents, but If you believe Lynch is a more talented back then it doesn't.

What if you believe, as I have heard from many sources, that Burner could easily be one of the top ten to fifteen backs in the league?

What sources are those?

Top ten to fifteen places him in the upper third to top half of the starters. It's hardly a stretch if you have seen him play.

So, what sources again? There's a reason this guy was drafted late and is an NFL backup.

The only thing he's "easily" is one of the most overrated players in the NFL.

so many things wrong with this line of thinking.

First being that he is behind the greatest RB of his generation, and maybe top 5 of all time.

Plus, as for the being drafted late, there's a long line of players that slipped. As for Turner, he seemed to have a small-school bias working against him coming out of Northern Illinois.

yeah, Tom Brady was a 6th rounder, he's lucky to be in the league.

IRRC Turners college career was very impressive too

13th all-time leading rusher in NCAA history.And he ran a 4.42 at 237 pounds at the combine.

He slipped in the draft because NFL GMs made a mistake.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

This makes sense if you assume that Lynch and Turner are equal talents, but If you believe Lynch is a more talented back then it doesn't.

What if you believe, as I have heard from many sources, that Burner could easily be one of the top ten to fifteen backs in the league?

What sources are those?

Top ten to fifteen places him in the upper third to top half of the starters. It's hardly a stretch if you have seen him play.

So, what sources again? There's a reason this guy was drafted late and is an NFL backup.

The only thing he's "easily" is one of the most overrated players in the NFL.

so many things wrong with this line of thinking.

First being that he is behind the greatest RB of his generation, and maybe top 5 of all time.

Plus, as for the being drafted late, there's a long line of players that slipped. As for Turner, he seemed to have a small-school bias working against him coming out of Northern Illinois.

yeah, Tom Brady was a 6th rounder, he's lucky to be in the league.

IRRC Turners college career was very impressive too

13th all-time leading rusher in NCAA history.And he ran a 4.42 at 237 pounds at the combine.

He slipped in the draft because NFL GMs made a mistake.

I remember him leading the nation in rushing too (or close to it), he went to N.Illinois and I am smack dab in the middle of MAC country here.What was the mistake MT? that MAC runners couldnt translate well to the NFL?

 

[0-Face]

Turner reminds me of Frank Gore, the way he just bulldozes over defenders.

 

[fsufan]

It's a shame we may not see him starting for another year at least. This guy is better then many of the starting RB's in this league and may not get his shot to start until he turns 26 which is crappy considering the decline of RB's after the age of 30.This guy is entering his prime and may have to ride the pine behind one of the best RB's to ever play the game. Unlucky.

as a Turner dynasty owner I am willing to sit on him one more year.

 

[kensat30]

And, man, I wish I could link to a few of the videos of him that used to be on YouTube, but the NFL has gotten them (along with a lot of other NFL content) taken down.

Here's a video NorrisB just posted in another thread.2006 Michael Turner highlights

Wow, he's faster than you would think given his bowling ball style of running. That one video where he breaks free, against the Titans, it takes Pacman Jones a while to catch him from behind, and Pacman is one of the faster players in the NFL.

Looks like a fullback with a 5th gear to me. Can that type of player really handle 300 carries a year and excel with it like a traditional RB can? I have to believe that Turner's value is greatly enhanced playing in a situational role and as the mop-up behind the best RB of all time. That's the reason why Turner is going to remain a Charger this year. No one wants to give up a high value draft pick (or multiple) just to sign this guy to a big money contract. No one wants to give up that much value in both the draft and the cap for a guy that could turn out to be just one hell of a fullback. Next year will be Turner's payday and then we will see if he can be a franchise RB. Personally, I liked Lamont Jordan early in his career more than I like Turner now, but time will tell.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

13th all-time leading rusher in NCAA history.And he ran a 4.42 at 237 pounds at the combine.He slipped in the draft because NFL GMs made a mistake.

I remember him leading the nation in rushing too (or close to it), he went to N.Illinois and I am smack dab in the middle of MAC country here.

I think he was second in the nation in both 2002 and 2003.

What was the mistake MT? that MAC runners couldnt translate well to the NFL?

I don't know why NFL scouts underrated him, but I think it's clear that they did. Before the draft, he was generally projected to go somewhere in the second to fourth rounds. He was definitely considered a "sliding" player when he was still available in the fifth. The Chargers lucked out.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Montana in the third, Starr in the 17th, Terrell Davis in the sixth. Players come from many rounds.

 

[Riffraff]

Wow, he's faster than you would think given his bowling ball style of running.

Well, his nickname has been Turner the Burner for many years. And he's not a Ricky Williams type of burner.

 

[Hawk]

Wow, he's faster than you would think given his bowling ball style of running.

Well, his nickname has been Turner the Burner for many years. And he's not a Ricky Williams type of burner.

I guess I figured that was due to the easiness of the rhyme more than the accuracy of the statement. And to correct my earlier statement, Pacman Jones is was one of the faster players in the NFL. Since he has been charged in the Vegas incident now, it sounds like his days in the NFL are numbered.

 

[stbugs]

SD will get at best a 4th round compensatory pick based on Turner being a backup in terms of production in 2007. The performance in 07 and the salary received dictates the picks status from what I understand.

It's performance with the new team that matters, not performance with the old team.But it's mostly about salary with the new team. Performance is apparently a distant second.

Could you quantify it? I read about it and it wasn't really clear one way or the other. It mentions post-season honors, so if that is really with the new team, then SD would have to wait quite a long time. For instance, Turner plays 2007 with SD and then signs as a FA in 2008. If they have to wait to see how he does with the new team, then they wouldn't get a compensatory pick until the 2009 draft. So let's say SD gets a 4th round compensatory pick in 2009, which is basically the first pick in the 5th round versus getting a 2007 early 2nd round pick.It may be risky, but I would jump all over the 2nd round pick. There is no way Turner stays with SD past 2007, so I would take an early 2nd round pick in 2007. Sure, if LT gets hurt they are in trouble, but I think if LT is out, SD is back in the playoff contenders, not in the Super Bowl contenders, even with Turner. Personally, based on LTs track record, I would spend a 3rd or 4th on a RB project much like they did with Turner (cheaper backup to LT than Turner) and use the high 2nd on someone with potential to be a starter. If LT stays healthy, which is a reasonable assumption, they are a much better team if that high 2nd improves any spot on their team from what they have now.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

SD will get at best a 4th round compensatory pick based on Turner being a backup in terms of production in 2007. The performance in 07 and the salary received dictates the picks status from what I understand.

It's performance with the new team that matters, not performance with the old team.But it's mostly about salary with the new team. Performance is apparently a distant second.

Could you quantify it? I read about it and it wasn't really clear one way or the other. It mentions post-season honors, so if that is really with the new team, then SD would have to wait quite a long time. For instance, Turner plays 2007 with SD and then signs as a FA in 2008. If they have to wait to see how he does with the new team, then they wouldn't get a compensatory pick until the 2009 draft. So let's say SD gets a 4th round compensatory pick in 2009, which is basically the first pick in the 5th round versus getting a 2007 early 2nd round pick.

Correct. If he signs with a new team in 2008, the Chargers would get a compensatory pick in 2009.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

He breaks more tackles, but that's easier to do when you aren't hit behind the line of scrimmage.

Did you watch the video? He was hit at or behind the line of scrimmage in almost every one of those clips. For me, this puts an end to the argument that he is the product of a good offensive line.Thanks for the clip. I only wish it would have been attached to one of the many already-existent Turner threads.

I did watch the video. Out of 14 runs, he was hit once behind the line and twice at the line. Only once was it a direct hit, twice it was a glancing blow by a defender from the side trying to tackle without momentum. Most of the time he was running through holes. I'm not holding that against him, it IS a highlight clip. I don't think he is a product of his Oline, but it sure does help one's stats when your line is good. See Portis in Denver vs. in Washington. I don't see outstanding speed in Turner. In one run he ran untouched to the outside and was run down by a LB with a bad angle. He has pretty good speed, especially considering his build. He looks like he has above average burst, which is more important, IMO. He has very good balance, excellent power, good burst, and decent speed. Average lateral quickness, but good for his bulk, and made more effective by his very good balance. As I said, I like the guy, but I don't see a stud.On talent alone, I would take these guys before Turner for sure:LTLJPortisS. JacksonGoreWestbrookBushR.BrownThen most of these guys before Turner, but I'd have to look deeper before I decided for sure:MJD, K.Jones (healthy), R.Johnson, McGahee, S.Alexander, Parker, Addai, Benson, MaroneyJMHO

 

[Rev]

Nice power, but he doesn't have that extra gear to take runs to the house. He's got enough explosion and power to break into the secondary, but he usually doesn't run by DBs.

When he starts after next season, I like him as a Rudi with slightly better pass-catching skills. Being used right now as a change-of-pace bruiser gives him the advantage of battering tired defenses that are used to chasing LT2 around. As the feature back, he'll have some hurtles to climb, but I like his chances of exceeding Rudi's numbers.

 

[bumpman]

This website lists Michael Turner as running a 4.41 40. Yeah, I know it is a weird source, Don Beebe's camp.

http://www.houseofspeed.com/fame.aspx

 

[dickey moe]

I love watching that guy run. Hope the Chargers can hold on to him for one more season.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

He breaks more tackles, but that's easier to do when you aren't hit behind the line of scrimmage.

Did you watch the video? He was hit at or behind the line of scrimmage in almost every one of those clips. For me, this puts an end to the argument that he is the product of a good offensive line.Thanks for the clip. I only wish it would have been attached to one of the many already-existent Turner threads.

I did watch the video. Out of 14 runs, he was hit once behind the line and twice at the line. Only once was it a direct hit, twice it was a glancing blow by a defender from the side trying to tackle without momentum. Most of the time he was running through holes. I'm not holding that against him, it IS a highlight clip. I don't think he is a product of his Oline, but it sure does help one's stats when your line is good. See Portis in Denver vs. in Washington. I don't see outstanding speed in Turner. In one run he ran untouched to the outside and was run down by a LB with a bad angle. He has pretty good speed, especially considering his build. He looks like he has above average burst, which is more important, IMO. He has very good balance, excellent power, good burst, and decent speed. Average lateral quickness, but good for his bulk, and made more effective by his very good balance. As I said, I like the guy, but I don't see a stud.On talent alone, I would take these guys before Turner for sure:LTLJPortisS. JacksonGoreWestbrookBushR.BrownThen most of these guys before Turner, but I'd have to look deeper before I decided for sure:MJD, K.Jones (healthy), R.Johnson, McGahee, S.Alexander, Parker, Addai, Benson, MaroneyJMHO

Decent speed???? Were you not watching the video closely. The guy took for ever to get caught from Pac Man who is one of the fastest guys in the league. Not in video but he broke one against Indy and took it to the house to end their winning streak. This guy easily has the best highlight film for limited number of carries by any RB in the NFL. This guy is going to be good.The thing that I really like about him is his vision, the guy makes good reads and seems to have the ability to know when to bounce it outside and has the speed and power to turn the corner when he does go outside. He is a great inside runner and knows how to finish runs and will be a great goaline back. He has all the tools and has shown that he can do it against NFL caliber defenses. I can't wait to see this guy get touches.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

This website lists Michael Turner as running a 4.41 40. Yeah, I know it is a weird source, Don Beebe's camp.

http://www.houseofspeed.com/fame.aspx

He ran a 4.42 at the combine. (link1, link2, link3)In any case, he is about as fast as Tomlinson.

 

[sho nuff]

Wow, he's faster than you would think given his bowling ball style of running.

Well, his nickname has been Turner the Burner for many years. And he's not a Ricky Williams type of burner.

I guess I figured that was due to the easiness of the rhyme more than the accuracy of the statement. And to correct my earlier statement, Pacman Jones is was one of the faster players in the NFL. Since he has been charged in the Vegas incident now, it sounds like his days in the NFL are numbered.

Been charged? Hearing that from? So far there are charges expecting to be filed...but nothing just yet...

 

[BoltBacker]

Being used right now as a change-of-pace bruiser gives him the advantage of battering tired defenses that are used to chasing LT2 around.

I don't understand the speed criticism in the thread but this is a very valid point. It would be interesting to see how he performed vs a defense that was geared to stop him and he started the game when the entire defense was rested.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Being used right now as a change-of-pace bruiser gives him the advantage of battering tired defenses that are used to chasing LT2 around.

I don't understand the speed criticism in the thread but this is a very valid point. It would be interesting to see how he performed vs a defense that was geared to stop him and he started the game when the entire defense was rested.

I know it's not the same thing, but he looks just as good in the preseason as he does in the regular season, running people over and breaking tackles. That's against a vanilla defense -- but a fresh one since he is the starter.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Nice power, but he doesn't have that extra gear to take runs to the house. He's got enough explosion and power to break into the secondary, but he usually doesn't run by DBs.

This is 100% incorrect. change doesn't to does and you're correct.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

The thing that I really like about him is his vision, the guy makes good reads and seems to have the ability to know when to bounce it outside and has the speed and power to turn the corner when he does go outside. He is a great inside runner and knows how to finish runs and will be a great goaline back. He has all the tools and has shown that he can do it against NFL caliber defenses. I can't wait to see this guy get touches.

This is an underrated part of his game and is best observed on his kickoff returns. He's patient while never really stopping his momentum.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I think his balance is his best attribute. Guess everyone sees something a little different.

 

[BoltBacker]

On talent alone, I would take these guys before Turner for sure:LTLJPortisS. JacksonGoreWestbrookBushR.BrownThen most of these guys before Turner, but I'd have to look deeper before I decided for sure:MJD, K.Jones (healthy), R.Johnson, McGahee, S.Alexander, Parker, Addai, Benson, MaroneyJMHO

Based what I've actually seen them do in the pro's I'd say...LTLJPortisJacksonGoreAlexander... are better runners but I'd put him in a group with some of those other guys. Maybe even near the top.- We haven't really seen what Bush can do in the NFL as a runner(in a good offense behind a good OL he looked pretty average in a limited running role last season).- Westbrook is one of my favorite offensive weapons in the game, but he's not as good a runner as Turner- Parker/Addai don't run with nearly the power and Benson isn't nearly the break away threat- I'm one of the few fans of McGahee out there and Rudi is really solid but when I see them run I don't really get the feeling they could be a "special" RB, not the same way you do when you watch Turner run. When I watch Turner I definitely get the feeling he could join those top 6 in the right scenario.- Big fan of both Maroney and MJD and both are in a similar situation to Turner, they just need to see the field more to prove they can do it in extended action rather than their current limited roles.- I'm tired of hearing how close Kevin Jones is to reaching his potential already. Until I see more production and less "potential".... meh, prove it. Similarly, I actually do buy the hype around Ronnie Brown but he really needs to go off for more than a 100/5 season. If Turner would have been the feature back last season in MIA I think he'd have 1000/5 even if he did only play in 13 games.

 

[BoltBacker]

I think his balance is his best attribute. Guess everyone sees something a little different.

I think his best attribute is the fact you can't really find many weakness. I guess we haven't seen him play a whole lot on passing downs so his receiving skills and pass protecting are a bit unknown but there again when he's playing behind one of the best receiving backs in the nfl it's pretty tough for him to prove himself in 3rd down situations.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I haven't seen AJ Smith blow smoke on these issues in the past.

It occurs to me that Donnie Edwards from last year is a great example. People on message boards across the country were sure he'd be traded (or even cut). AJ Smith named his price and didn't waiver from it.

 

[Rozelle]

SD will get at best a 4th round compensatory pick based on Turner being a backup in terms of production in 2007. The performance in 07 and the salary received dictates the picks status from what I understand.

It's performance with the new team that matters, not performance with the old team.But it's mostly about salary with the new team. Performance is apparently a distant second.

Could you quantify it? I read about it and it wasn't really clear one way or the other. It mentions post-season honors, so if that is really with the new team, then SD would have to wait quite a long time. For instance, Turner plays 2007 with SD and then signs as a FA in 2008. If they have to wait to see how he does with the new team, then they wouldn't get a compensatory pick until the 2009 draft. So let's say SD gets a 4th round compensatory pick in 2009, which is basically the first pick in the 5th round versus getting a 2007 early 2nd round pick.

Correct. If he signs with a new team in 2008, the Chargers would get a compensatory pick in 2009.

A 3rd at best, more likely a 4th or 5th.

 

[-OZ-]

SD will get at best a 4th round compensatory pick based on Turner being a backup in terms of production in 2007. The performance in 07 and the salary received dictates the picks status from what I understand.

It's performance with the new team that matters, not performance with the old team.But it's mostly about salary with the new team. Performance is apparently a distant second.

Could you quantify it? I read about it and it wasn't really clear one way or the other. It mentions post-season honors, so if that is really with the new team, then SD would have to wait quite a long time. For instance, Turner plays 2007 with SD and then signs as a FA in 2008. If they have to wait to see how he does with the new team, then they wouldn't get a compensatory pick until the 2009 draft. So let's say SD gets a 4th round compensatory pick in 2009, which is basically the first pick in the 5th round versus getting a 2007 early 2nd round pick.

Correct. If he signs with a new team in 2008, the Chargers would get a compensatory pick in 2009.

A 3rd at best, more likely a 4th or 5th.

Brees brought a 3rd, after a pro-bowl season (his 2nd). I suppose Turner could make the pro-bowl his first year, but I'd bet against it.

4th in 2009 with him backing up LT this year, or a 2nd now?

 

[Up In Smoke]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=583469

Chargers coach Norv Turner said the club was open to offers for the 26-year-old running back.

"I think there's some of that going on this week and I can't tell you what's going to happen with Michael," Norv Turner said. "I think people are probably looking in and saying this guy is a great young player. When he's had an opportunity to play, he's played at an unbelievable high level and now someone looks and says, 'We'd rather have Michael Turner than a back we can get in the first round of the draft.'"

 

[nygiants56]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=583469

Chargers coach Norv Turner said the club was open to offers for the 26-year-old running back.

"I think there's some of that going on this week and I can't tell you what's going to happen with Michael," Norv Turner said. "I think people are probably looking in and saying this guy is a great young player. When he's had an opportunity to play, he's played at an unbelievable high level and now someone looks and says, 'We'd rather have Michael Turner than a back we can get in the first round of the draft.'"

he's going to a team like GB, NE ( now with the Maroney shoulder injury), NYG, detroit, Az, Denver, Cleveland , etc.with NE having two first round picks, I could see them trading one first rounder for Turner.

 

[fsufan]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=583469

Chargers coach Norv Turner said the club was open to offers for the 26-year-old running back.

"I think there's some of that going on this week and I can't tell you what's going to happen with Michael," Norv Turner said. "I think people are probably looking in and saying this guy is a great young player. When he's had an opportunity to play, he's played at an unbelievable high level and now someone looks and says, 'We'd rather have Michael Turner than a back we can get in the first round of the draft.'"

he's going to a team like GB, NE ( now with the Maroney shoulder injury), NYG, detroit, Az, Denver, Cleveland , etc.with NE having two first round picks, I could see them trading one first rounder for Turner.

why would AZ or denver trade for him

 

[Garts]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=583469

Chargers coach Norv Turner said the club was open to offers for the 26-year-old running back.

"I think there's some of that going on this week and I can't tell you what's going to happen with Michael," Norv Turner said. "I think people are probably looking in and saying this guy is a great young player. When he's had an opportunity to play, he's played at an unbelievable high level and now someone looks and says, 'We'd rather have Michael Turner than a back we can get in the first round of the draft.'"

he's going to a team like GB, NE ( now with the Maroney shoulder injury), NYG, detroit, Az, Denver, Cleveland , etc.with NE having two first round picks, I could see them trading one first rounder for Turner.

why would NE or Detroit trade for him??Yes, he may be better then Kevin Jones or Tatum, but they just added Duckett there too and that trade would be like their drafting receiver theory.

DUMB

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=583469

Chargers coach Norv Turner said the club was open to offers for the 26-year-old running back.

"I think there's some of that going on this week and I can't tell you what's going to happen with Michael," Norv Turner said. "I think people are probably looking in and saying this guy is a great young player. When he's had an opportunity to play, he's played at an unbelievable high level and now someone looks and says, 'We'd rather have Michael Turner than a back we can get in the first round of the draft.'"

he's going to a team like GB, NE ( now with the Maroney shoulder injury), NYG, detroit, Az, Denver, Cleveland , etc.with NE having two first round picks, I could see them trading one first rounder for Turner.

why would NE or Detroit trade for him??Yes, he may be better then Kevin Jones or Tatum, but they just added Duckett there too and that trade would be like their drafting receiver theory.

DUMB

That's a good argument for why the Lions would trade for him. What's the argument that they wouldn't?

 

[fsufan]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=583469

Chargers coach Norv Turner said the club was open to offers for the 26-year-old running back.

"I think there's some of that going on this week and I can't tell you what's going to happen with Michael," Norv Turner said. "I think people are probably looking in and saying this guy is a great young player. When he's had an opportunity to play, he's played at an unbelievable high level and now someone looks and says, 'We'd rather have Michael Turner than a back we can get in the first round of the draft.'"

he's going to a team like GB, NE ( now with the Maroney shoulder injury), NYG, detroit, Az, Denver, Cleveland , etc.with NE having two first round picks, I could see them trading one first rounder for Turner.

why would NE or Detroit trade for him??Yes, he may be better then Kevin Jones or Tatum, but they just added Duckett there too and that trade would be like their drafting receiver theory.

DUMB

I would not say Turner is better than KJ. When healthy KJ is a good RB.

 

[D.O.M.]

I think the only two viable possibilities are GB or Buff...and my preference would be Buffalo...

 

[zamboni]

I think the only two viable possibilities are GB or Buff...and my preference would be Buffalo...

I would add Tennessee, but I'm pretty convinced that Turner stays a Charger for one more season.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I guarantee y'all that more teams are talking to SD about Turner than just the obvious ones. Turner would lock down the running game for 3-4 years and provide the kind of speed/power threat that will keep DCs up at night. There has to be at least a handful of other GMs that are salivating when they picture Turner in their backfield.

 

[kevinray]

SD will get at best a 4th round compensatory pick based on Turner being a backup in terms of production in 2007. The performance in 07 and the salary received dictates the picks status from what I understand.

It's performance with the new team that matters, not performance with the old team.But it's mostly about salary with the new team. Performance is apparently a distant second.

Could you quantify it? I read about it and it wasn't really clear one way or the other. It mentions post-season honors, so if that is really with the new team, then SD would have to wait quite a long time. For instance, Turner plays 2007 with SD and then signs as a FA in 2008. If they have to wait to see how he does with the new team, then they wouldn't get a compensatory pick until the 2009 draft. So let's say SD gets a 4th round compensatory pick in 2009, which is basically the first pick in the 5th round versus getting a 2007 early 2nd round pick.

Correct. If he signs with a new team in 2008, the Chargers would get a compensatory pick in 2009.

A 3rd at best, more likely a 4th or 5th.

Brees brought a 3rd, after a pro-bowl season (his 2nd). I suppose Turner could make the pro-bowl his first year, but I'd bet against it.

4th in 2009 with him backing up LT this year, or a 2nd now?

Brees making the Probowl had little to nothing to do with his third round comp pick. My god Indy got a third rounder for Edge, comp picks are based so heavily on contract and other free agent signings made by the team that everything else you may hear about it rendered meaningless. Edge got $7.5 million apparently, Brees got $10 and both were tendered at a 3. The fourth round level was for the $5 a year guys. If Turner gets starter running back money, which he will, a third is pretty much a lock and the suggestion of a fifth is laughable.

 

[zamboni]

I guarantee y'all that more teams are talking to SD about Turner than just the obvious ones. Turner would lock down the running game for 3-4 years and provide the kind of speed/power threat that will keep DCs up at night. There has to be at least a handful of other GMs that are salivating when they picture Turner in their backfield.

No doubt a lot are talking, but talking and willing to pay up what SD wants are obviously two different things.

 

[Obie Wan]

The Bills RB situation isn't getting the attention it deserves, IMO. Even though there are some teams that obviously need to shore things up still (Cleveland, Houston, Tennessee) in terms of depth or youth, it seems to me that Buffalo is the only team out there without a single starter-quality RB on the roster.

Green Bay

Tennessee

 

[mozzy84]

SD will get at best a 4th round compensatory pick based on Turner being a backup in terms of production in 2007. The performance in 07 and the salary received dictates the picks status from what I understand.

It's performance with the new team that matters, not performance with the old team.But it's mostly about salary with the new team. Performance is apparently a distant second.

Could you quantify it? I read about it and it wasn't really clear one way or the other. It mentions post-season honors, so if that is really with the new team, then SD would have to wait quite a long time. For instance, Turner plays 2007 with SD and then signs as a FA in 2008. If they have to wait to see how he does with the new team, then they wouldn't get a compensatory pick until the 2009 draft. So let's say SD gets a 4th round compensatory pick in 2009, which is basically the first pick in the 5th round versus getting a 2007 early 2nd round pick.

Correct. If he signs with a new team in 2008, the Chargers would get a compensatory pick in 2009.

A 3rd at best, more likely a 4th or 5th.

Brees brought a 3rd, after a pro-bowl season (his 2nd). I suppose Turner could make the pro-bowl his first year, but I'd bet against it.

4th in 2009 with him backing up LT this year, or a 2nd now?

Brees making the Probowl had little to nothing to do with his third round comp pick. My god Indy got a third rounder for Edge, comp picks are based so heavily on contract and other free agent signings made by the team that everything else you may hear about it rendered meaningless. Edge got $7.5 million apparently, Brees got $10 and both were tendered at a 3. The fourth round level was for the $5 a year guys. If Turner gets starter running back money, which he will, a third is pretty much a lock and the suggestion of a fifth is laughable.

Does it matter if san diego signs some guys in free agency? If they sign a big name guy themselves they wouldn't get anything in comp picks for him. (thats what I thought anyways)

 

[kevinray]

SD will get at best a 4th round compensatory pick based on Turner being a backup in terms of production in 2007. The performance in 07 and the salary received dictates the picks status from what I understand.

It's performance with the new team that matters, not performance with the old team.But it's mostly about salary with the new team. Performance is apparently a distant second.

Could you quantify it? I read about it and it wasn't really clear one way or the other. It mentions post-season honors, so if that is really with the new team, then SD would have to wait quite a long time. For instance, Turner plays 2007 with SD and then signs as a FA in 2008. If they have to wait to see how he does with the new team, then they wouldn't get a compensatory pick until the 2009 draft. So let's say SD gets a 4th round compensatory pick in 2009, which is basically the first pick in the 5th round versus getting a 2007 early 2nd round pick.

Correct. If he signs with a new team in 2008, the Chargers would get a compensatory pick in 2009.

A 3rd at best, more likely a 4th or 5th.

Brees brought a 3rd, after a pro-bowl season (his 2nd). I suppose Turner could make the pro-bowl his first year, but I'd bet against it.

4th in 2009 with him backing up LT this year, or a 2nd now?

Brees making the Probowl had little to nothing to do with his third round comp pick. My god Indy got a third rounder for Edge, comp picks are based so heavily on contract and other free agent signings made by the team that everything else you may hear about it rendered meaningless. Edge got $7.5 million apparently, Brees got $10 and both were tendered at a 3. The fourth round level was for the $5 a year guys. If Turner gets starter running back money, which he will, a third is pretty much a lock and the suggestion of a fifth is laughable.

Does it matter if san diego signs some guys in free agency? If they sign a big name guy themselves they wouldn't get anything in comp picks for him. (thats what I thought anyways)

Yes that’s the "other free agent signings made by the team" part. The way I understand the way the NFL picks which comp picks are canceled out is based on comparing the salaries of free agents gained to lost. Now I think if you sign 5 players during free agency and only lose 4 those, but those four signed huge deals you still wont get any comp picks based purely on number of players lost to signed.

 

[massraider]

Based on the comp picks this year, San Diego fans can forget about getting a 3rd rounder in compensation.

Whatever deal he signs isn't going to be equal to what Edge/Peterson got.

 

[Marc Faletti]

The notion that a team should spend a mid-first on Lynch but many are balking at a 2nd for Turner is wacky.

Have those of you poo-poo-ing the price seen Turner run? He's a Tasmanian Devil. I think I might like him over AP, honestly.

 

[zamboni]

The notion that a team should spend a mid-first on Lynch but many are balking at a 2nd for Turner is wacky.

No doubt, although a necessary long-term contract for Turner in addition to a 2nd rounder could be the deal breaker. Most likely, Turner's contract would be much more than what what a mid-1st round pick would be in line for.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

The notion that a team should spend a mid-first on Lynch but many are balking at a 2nd for Turner is wacky.

No doubt, although a necessary long-term contract for Turner in addition to a 2nd rounder could be the deal breaker. Most likely, Turner's contract would be much more than what what a mid-1st round pick would be in line for.

Yes. I think Turner is better than Lynch, but I think Lynch will provide more value per dollar than Turner.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Does it matter if san diego signs some guys in free agency?

Yes, but they haven't and won't sign anyone major. (They signed Dielman, but that doesn't count since they signed him away from themselves.)

 

[massraider]

Does it matter if san diego signs some guys in free agency?

Yes, but they haven't and won't sign anyone major. (They signed Dielman, but that doesn't count since they signed him away from themselves.)

Hmm, well, if we are talking comp picks, we are assuming Turner is staying for a year, and leaving as a UFA next year, so it's next seasons activity that would matter, right?Unless, SD suddenly rescinds their offer sheet, and allow him to leave for nothing this offseason. (Doubtful, but that would be sweet )

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Does it matter if san diego signs some guys in free agency?

Yes, but they haven't and won't sign anyone major. (They signed Dielman, but that doesn't count since they signed him away from themselves.)

Hmm, well, if we are talking comp picks, we are assuming Turner is staying for a year, and leaving as a UFA next year, so it's next seasons activity that would matter, right?Unless, SD suddenly rescinds their offer sheet, and allow him to leave for nothing this offseason. (Doubtful, but that would be sweet )

True, but even next offseason . . . to buy somebody in free agency requires a team to pay full market value. The Chargers are in a position that they don't have to do that. They can continue to use draft choices and contract extensions as a cheaper means of roster maintenance.Teams that pay full market value in free agency are generally teams that can cut an overpaid player in order to make room for signing a fairly paid player. Who do the Chargers have that is overpaid?

 

[Bri]

It's a 2 RB league. I bet a number of teams are considerring this that we might not think so at first, esp if they have alot of cap room.