*** Official Michael Turner 2007 offseason thread *** (1 Viewer)

[massraider]

Does it matter if san diego signs some guys in free agency?

Yes, but they haven't and won't sign anyone major. (They signed Dielman, but that doesn't count since they signed him away from themselves.)

Hmm, well, if we are talking comp picks, we are assuming Turner is staying for a year, and leaving as a UFA next year, so it's next seasons activity that would matter, right?Unless, SD suddenly rescinds their offer sheet, and allow him to leave for nothing this offseason. (Doubtful, but that would be sweet )

True, but even next offseason . . . to buy somebody in free agency requires a team to pay full market value. The Chargers are in a position that they don't have to do that. They can continue to use draft choices and contract extensions as a cheaper means of roster maintenance.Teams that pay full market value in free agency are generally teams that can cut an overpaid player in order to make room for signing a fairly paid player. Who do the Chargers have that is overpaid?

I have no idea what the Chargers are going to do next offseason, and neither does anyone else.

 

[kevinray]

Does it matter if san diego signs some guys in free agency?

Yes, but they haven't and won't sign anyone major. (They signed Dielman, but that doesn't count since they signed him away from themselves.)

Hmm, well, if we are talking comp picks, we are assuming Turner is staying for a year, and leaving as a UFA next year, so it's next seasons activity that would matter, right?Unless, SD suddenly rescinds their offer sheet, and allow him to leave for nothing this offseason. (Doubtful, but that would be sweet )

True, but even next offseason . . . to buy somebody in free agency requires a team to pay full market value. The Chargers are in a position that they don't have to do that. They can continue to use draft choices and contract extensions as a cheaper means of roster maintenance.Teams that pay full market value in free agency are generally teams that can cut an overpaid player in order to make room for signing a fairly paid player. Who do the Chargers have that is overpaid?

I have no idea what the Chargers are going to do next offseason, and neither does anyone else.

Yes but good teams factor in the comp pick when dealing with free agency. They realize that they have to factor in a certain players value to the team not only by how much their contract costs but that their forfeiting 4th or 3rd also in the process and they have to decide if that’s worth it.You can say we don’t know what will happen but if this past year is any indication they will plan ahead and receive the comp pick.

 

[massraider]

Does it matter if san diego signs some guys in free agency?

Yes, but they haven't and won't sign anyone major. (They signed Dielman, but that doesn't count since they signed him away from themselves.)

Hmm, well, if we are talking comp picks, we are assuming Turner is staying for a year, and leaving as a UFA next year, so it's next seasons activity that would matter, right?Unless, SD suddenly rescinds their offer sheet, and allow him to leave for nothing this offseason. (Doubtful, but that would be sweet )

True, but even next offseason . . . to buy somebody in free agency requires a team to pay full market value. The Chargers are in a position that they don't have to do that. They can continue to use draft choices and contract extensions as a cheaper means of roster maintenance.Teams that pay full market value in free agency are generally teams that can cut an overpaid player in order to make room for signing a fairly paid player. Who do the Chargers have that is overpaid?

I have no idea what the Chargers are going to do next offseason, and neither does anyone else.

Yes but good teams factor in the comp pick when dealing with free agency. They realize that they have to factor in a certain players value to the team not only by how much their contract costs but that their forfeiting 4th or 3rd also in the process and they have to decide if that’s worth it.You can say we don’t know what will happen but if this past year is any indication they will plan ahead and receive the comp pick.

What does this past year indicate?Is your contention that the Chargers will not be active in free agency next year so they receive a comp pick?

Now, if someone wants to say that they think the Chargers won't have a lot of cap space, and that the roster will be set and so forth, OK. That's a silly argument too, but a different one. Every year, the NFL landscape changes dramatically for many teams. There are players on the Chargers that are considered solid contributers now, but will be looked upon as weak links next year. That's just the way it goes.

Any FA contract Turner signs will be a notch below the top FA guys. He may garner a 3rd round pick, but I think the smart money would be on a 4th.

So the Chargers are going to avoid the top players, and most of the good players, in free agency in 2008, in order to receive a comp pick in 2009? This after refusing to trade him in 2007, presumably for a 2nd round pick?

Wow, that is one valuable backup running back.

 

[kevinray]

Does it matter if san diego signs some guys in free agency?

Yes, but they haven't and won't sign anyone major. (They signed Dielman, but that doesn't count since they signed him away from themselves.)

Hmm, well, if we are talking comp picks, we are assuming Turner is staying for a year, and leaving as a UFA next year, so it's next seasons activity that would matter, right?Unless, SD suddenly rescinds their offer sheet, and allow him to leave for nothing this offseason. (Doubtful, but that would be sweet )

True, but even next offseason . . . to buy somebody in free agency requires a team to pay full market value. The Chargers are in a position that they don't have to do that. They can continue to use draft choices and contract extensions as a cheaper means of roster maintenance.Teams that pay full market value in free agency are generally teams that can cut an overpaid player in order to make room for signing a fairly paid player. Who do the Chargers have that is overpaid?

I have no idea what the Chargers are going to do next offseason, and neither does anyone else.

Yes but good teams factor in the comp pick when dealing with free agency. They realize that they have to factor in a certain players value to the team not only by how much their contract costs but that their forfeiting 4th or 3rd also in the process and they have to decide if that’s worth it.You can say we don’t know what will happen but if this past year is any indication they will plan ahead and receive the comp pick.

What does this past year indicate?Is your contention that the Chargers will not be active in free agency next year so they receive a comp pick?

Now, if someone wants to say that they think the Chargers won't have a lot of cap space, and that the roster will be set and so forth, OK. That's a silly argument too, but a different one. Every year, the NFL landscape changes dramatically for many teams. There are players on the Chargers that are considered solid contributers now, but will be looked upon as weak links next year. That's just the way it goes.

Any FA contract Turner signs will be a notch below the top FA guys. He may garner a 3rd round pick, but I think the smart money would be on a 4th.

So the Chargers are going to avoid the top players, and most of the good players, in free agency in 2008, in order to receive a comp pick in 2009? This after refusing to trade him in 2007, presumably for a 2nd round pick?

Wow, that is one valuable backup running back.

You seriously can't see how its in the chargers interest to hang on to Turner next year? Who else would they have to back up LT? Sproiles was on the IR last year. This is a team with a shoot at the super bowl and and if LT, aka thier team, gets hurt at any point they'ed have a singificantly worse chance without Turner.

They can hold onto him for a year and at min have the avaliable option of recieving at least a 4th round pick for him.

I also don't see how you can asusme Turners contract will be a notch below the top guys. Unless theres a lot of big names next year not resigning with their own teams I don't see why he couldn't land big money. God knows the free agent market has been throwing big money at players with less hype then Turner these past several years. He's definetly the most talked about free agent for next year at this point.

 

[matt jones]

If a blogger posted this it must be true!

 

[massraider]

I understand that Turner is the best backup RB in the league. He is an excellent backup to Tomilinson, and has done very well any time he has been given the ball.

I also understand the notion of keeping as many players as you can for a Super Bowl run. And in general, I agree with that particular one.

But in the end, he's their backup runnning back. If they can get a 2nd round pick, maybe more, for a backup RB that is gone in a year anyway, and they can control his destination? Then it's a no-brainer, IMO.

The other option is letting him go to the team of his choice (Raiders might need a RB next year), and in return, maybe getting a 3rd or 4th rounder. In 2009. Assuming they sign no significant FA's themselves ext year that might negate that possible comp pick. I believe Troy Polamalu, Karlos Dansby, and Nnamdi Asomougha are all eligible to become free agents next year. Could the Chargers use a defensive back?

He may be the most talked about 2008 FA on a fantasy message board, but he won't be the most sought-after, or the top-paid. Two teams are about to get their feature backs in this draft, and next spring, a strong group of runners enters the NFL. Turner will get a good deal, but he's not getting a Tomlinson/Shaun Alexander deal. And those are the deals that guarantee a 3rd round comp pick. Four players were worthy of 3rd rounders this year, Brees, Julian Peterson, Charles Woodson, and Edgerrin James. Turner is not in that category.

Trade him for as much as you can get, send him to the NFC, and sign Chris Brown, or draft a backup. I simply don't believe that one guy, whis basically one year of insurance for LT, is irreplaceable. Whoever replaces him won't be as good, but that doesn't mean he can't help you win.

 

[Bri]

Yes but good teams factor in the comp pick when dealing with free agency. They realize that they have to factor in a certain players value to the team not only by how much their contract costs but that their forfeiting 4th or 3rd also in the process and they have to decide if that’s worth it.You can say we don’t know what will happen but if this past year is any indication they will plan ahead and receive the comp pick.

I don't agree, it's a consolation prize of sorts given to team after almost 100 players have been selected in the NFL draft. BTW If traded for a 2nd they won't get any comp pick for Turner.

 

[kevinray]

Yes but good teams factor in the comp pick when dealing with free agency. They realize that they have to factor in a certain players value to the team not only by how much their contract costs but that their forfeiting 4th or 3rd also in the process and they have to decide if that’s worth it.You can say we don’t know what will happen but if this past year is any indication they will plan ahead and receive the comp pick.

I don't agree, it's a consolation prize of sorts given to team after almost 100 players have been selected in the NFL draft. BTW If traded for a 2nd they won't get any comp pick for Turner.

What? Its a draft pick. Granted its at the end of the third or fourth round but players at those spots are what teams are built on. NFL teams value these comp picks. I don't follow other NFL teams that well for free agency purposes and its impossible to prove whether a team just doesn’t feel the need to be active in free agency or is trying to acquire picks, but the Steelers always have 2 or more comp picks a year and I can't beleive they think of them as merely a surprise gift that shouldn't be taken account for. Teams have a good idea within a round or so of what comp picks they could receive and unless they're crazy they plan around it. Not at the expense of the team mind you, if a free agent can help the team more then the cap space and comp pick can then thats the way it is but draft picks are draft picks and the middle round ones are a big part of how you build a team. Also well aware that if they trade him then the comp pick is a non-issue.

 

[kevinray]

He may be the most talked about 2008 FA on a fantasy message board, but he won't be the most sought-after, or the top-paid. Two teams are about to get their feature backs in this draft, and next spring, a strong group of runners enters the NFL. Turner will get a good deal, but he's not getting a Tomlinson/Shaun Alexander deal. And those are the deals that guarantee a 3rd round comp pick. Four players were worthy of 3rd rounders this year, Brees, Julian Peterson, Charles Woodson, and Edgerrin James. Turner is not in that category.

We'll just have to see. Woodson got tendered at a 3rd with 5.5 per year. Thats the same Lamont got amount per year and comp pick wise. On the other hand Taylor only recieved 3.5 a year and got a fourth which may have only been a 5th this year. It just depends on what free agency brings next year and whether you believe he'll sign a Jordan or Taylor deal but I think he's at least on the edge based on the buzz around the league. You are right about next years running back class being stacked and that probably having a big effect on Turner.

 

[T Man]

The issue is simple:

Is he worth not having this year and having a 2nd rounder or third rounder in this years draft?

OR

Is he worth keeping this year as a backup RB to protect your SB aspirations and then let him go off via FAS and get a 3rd or 4th rounder in 2009?

SD just factors in what they hope will be a compensatory pick when they are offered a trade. I think a smart team has to do that. Now should it be the only factor, no; but a factor nonethless.

 

[Renegades of Funk]

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/03/30...9_403_29_07.txt

Chargers restricted free agent Michael Turner was a hot name over at the NFL meetings in Phoenix this week.

Teams looking for a starting running back are assessing whether to make a run at trading for Turner or filling their needs in the late-April NFL draft.

"There was a lot of activity," Chargers general manager A.J. Smith said. "Very interesting. We'll see what all the talk means.

"There's legitimate interest on a few teams' part. A couple others are asking."

Smith declined to discuss specifics in terms of interested teams or what offers he has fielded. But it's known that the Green Bay Packers are highly interested in Turner. The Buffalo Bills also have interest.

Green Bay recently lost Ahman Green to Houston via free agency and Buffalo traded Willis McGahee to Baltimore.

Four weeks ago, the Chargers placed the highest possible tender on Turner, guaranteeing him a $2.35 million salary for 2007 if he remains with the Chargers. The tender allows the Chargers to match any offer sheet that Turner receives from another team. It also means any team that signs Turner to a free-agent deal must give up a first- and third-round draft pick to the Chargers.

The high price has scared teams away from signing Turner to an offer sheet, so movement involving Turner will likely come only via trade.

Just last week, Houston traded for Atlanta quarterback Matt Schaub, a restricted free agent who also received the high tender. The Texans gave up two second-round picks, switched positions in the first round with the Falcons and signed Schaub to a six-year, $48-million contract.

Logic dictates any team interested in trading for Turner would also want to negotiate a long-term deal.

Turner's agent, Bus Cook, didn't return a phone message on Thursday.

Smith said there's no urgency on the part of the Chargers to make a deal involving Turner. Smith likes having Turner (502 yards in 2006) as an insurance policy in case of a serious injury to NFL MVP LaDainian Tomlinson.

"I don't have a timetable," Smith said. "Some of the teams might. They want to know if they have a back. I'm OK. I either have the running back or I have some draft picks."

Buffalo has the 12th overall selection of the draft and Green Bay has the 16th. Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson is expected to be chosen within the top five picks. California's Marshawn Lynch is expected to be scooped up by either the Bills or Packers, pending the teams' moves prior to the draft.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Nice I wonder if GB would just part with #16 overall. That might do it.

 

[EBF]

I still say they'd be dumb not to trade him if they can get a top 75 pick for him.

 

[fsufan]

I still say they'd be dumb not to trade him if they can get a top 75 pick for him.

I agree. why not get an extra pick or a player of need.

 

[massraider]

Nice I wonder if GB would just part with #16 overall. That might do it.

You sure? Maybe the Pack'll throw in Woodson and Jennings, you know, as sweeteners.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Nice I wonder if GB would just part with #16 overall. That might do it.

You sure? Maybe the Pack'll throw in Woodson and Jennings, you know, as sweeteners.

AJ is going to hold out for the best deal possible, thats the beauty of it. They dont have to move Turner at all. There is no pressure to move him. Right now Turner >>> M.Lynch and dont think that the GM's dont know that. GB is not going into the season with Morency and Harron as their starters. They need to make a move bad.

 

[massraider]

Nice I wonder if GB would just part with #16 overall. That might do it.

You sure? Maybe the Pack'll throw in Woodson and Jennings, you know, as sweeteners.

AJ is going to hold out for the best deal possible, thats the beauty of it. They dont have to move Turner at all. There is no pressure to move him. Right now Turner >>> M.Lynch and dont think that the GM's dont know that. GB is not going into the season with Morency and Harron as their starters. They need to make a move bad.

I actually thought you were kidding.I will be very impressed if San Diego acquires a mid-first rounder for Turner. I think it unlikely, but certainly not impossible. I do think:They will get their best possible deal before the draft. I think it possible that they may still trade him during the summer, but after the draft, you can count on two less teams being interested.If he is not traded, I think we can assume no offers of any first round picks occured.Turner may very well be >>> than Lynch, but Lynch is younger, cheaper, and the only way to acquire him is through the draft. Whereas Turner could be compensation-free in a few months. That stuff is taken into consideration as well.

 

[Up In Smoke]

Talks heating up???

 

[EBF]

Nice I wonder if GB would just part with #16 overall. That might do it.

You sure? Maybe the Pack'll throw in Woodson and Jennings, you know, as sweeteners.

AJ is going to hold out for the best deal possible, thats the beauty of it. They dont have to move Turner at all. There is no pressure to move him. Right now Turner >>> M.Lynch and dont think that the GM's dont know that. GB is not going into the season with Morency and Harron as their starters. They need to make a move bad.

I actually thought you were kidding.I will be very impressed if San Diego acquires a mid-first rounder for Turner. I think it unlikely, but certainly not impossible. I do think:They will get their best possible deal before the draft. I think it possible that they may still trade him during the summer, but after the draft, you can count on two less teams being interested.If he is not traded, I think we can assume no offers of any first round picks occured.Turner may very well be >>> than Lynch, but Lynch is younger, cheaper, and the only way to acquire him is through the draft. Whereas Turner could be compensation-free in a few months. That stuff is taken into consideration as well.

Draft picks tend to be more valuable than veteran players. Consider that Thomas Jones was had for essentially a third round pick. Turner might be a good back, but I highly doubt that anyone will give more than a second round pick for him.That said, AJ Smith seems too smart to let him for walk for nothing, so I look for San Diego to ship him out to a team like Buffalo, Miami, Tennessee, Green Bay, Atlanta, or Cleveland.

 

[Harry Beanbag]

As a Charger fan I would love to see the trade with Buffalo. The No. 12 overall pick would be outstanding. The No. 12 pick seems to have produced some rather good players in the last few years.

2006 - Haloti Ngata

2005 - Shawne Merriman

2004 - Jonathan Vilma

I may just be hoping this is the case but the No. 16 pick ain't that bad either.

 

[On The Rocks]

As a Charger fan I would love to see the trade with Buffalo. The No. 12 overall pick would be outstanding. The No. 12 pick seems to have produced some rather good players in the last few years.2006 - Haloti Ngata2005 - Shawne Merriman2004 - Jonathan VilmaI may just be hoping this is the case but the No. 16 pick ain't that bad either.

i just can't see anyone giving up a first round pick straight up for Turner.at the best, they might get a team to swap 1st round positions, but even that seems unlikely.

 

[GroveDiesel]

As a Charger fan I would love to see the trade with Buffalo. The No. 12 overall pick would be outstanding. The No. 12 pick seems to have produced some rather good players in the last few years.2006 - Haloti Ngata2005 - Shawne Merriman2004 - Jonathan VilmaI may just be hoping this is the case but the No. 16 pick ain't that bad either.

There is zero chance of the Bills trading their first round pick for Turner. Zero.

 

[Renegades of Funk]

I don't see SD getting a 1st and I'm sure AJ knows it. I like GB giving a 2nd this year and if Turner goes over 1000 yards SD gets a 3rd the following year as well.

 

[kevinray]

As a Charger fan I would love to see the trade with Buffalo. The No. 12 overall pick would be outstanding. The No. 12 pick seems to have produced some rather good players in the last few years.2006 - Haloti Ngata2005 - Shawne Merriman2004 - Jonathan VilmaI may just be hoping this is the case but the No. 16 pick ain't that bad either.

i just can't see anyone giving up a first round pick straight up for Turner.at the best, they might get a team to swap 1st round positions, but even that seems unlikely.

Agreed. The Chargers would be making out huge if they can trade Turner straight up for any pick over 25. The 2nd round price tag thats been rumored is far more likely.

 

[Banger]

I don't see SD getting a 1st and I'm sure AJ knows it. I like GB giving a 2nd this year and if Turner goes over 1000 yards SD gets a 3rd the following year as well.

I could see something like that happening. Considering the teams that really need RB's (GB, Tenn, Buff) pick mid-1st round there's no way they are dealing that pick for him. At one point I thought someone like the Jets/Giants/Ravens might consider such a move given they draft later in the 1st but spots on those teams have been filled.

 

[switz]

That said, AJ Smith seems too smart to let him for walk for nothing, so I look for San Diego to ship him out to a team like Buffalo, Miami, Tennessee, Green Bay, Atlanta, or Cleveland.

Bear in mind that AJ Smith was a member of the Bills FO when Marv was head coach there.

 

[Traders2001]

Nice I wonder if GB would just part with #16 overall. That might do it.

You sure? Maybe the Pack'll throw in Woodson and Jennings, you know, as sweeteners.

AJ is going to hold out for the best deal possible, thats the beauty of it. They dont have to move Turner at all. There is no pressure to move him. Right now Turner >>> M.Lynch and dont think that the GM's dont know that. GB is not going into the season with Morency and Harron as their starters. They need to make a move bad.

Actually they have to trade him this off season or next season they will lose him for a 4th round pick ( Where they selected him ) . So they would be wise to trade him comes draft day.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Nice I wonder if GB would just part with #16 overall. That might do it.

You sure? Maybe the Pack'll throw in Woodson and Jennings, you know, as sweeteners.

AJ is going to hold out for the best deal possible, thats the beauty of it. They dont have to move Turner at all. There is no pressure to move him. Right now Turner >>> M.Lynch and dont think that the GM's dont know that. GB is not going into the season with Morency and Harron as their starters. They need to make a move bad.

Actually they have to trade him this off season or next season they will lose him for a 4th round pick ( Where they selected him ) . So they would be wise to trade him comes draft day.

He was a 5th rounder. But thats not how comp picks work anyway

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Nice I wonder if GB would just part with #16 overall. That might do it.

You sure? Maybe the Pack'll throw in Woodson and Jennings, you know, as sweeteners.

AJ is going to hold out for the best deal possible, thats the beauty of it. They dont have to move Turner at all. There is no pressure to move him. Right now Turner >>> M.Lynch and dont think that the GM's dont know that. GB is not going into the season with Morency and Harron as their starters. They need to make a move bad.

I actually thought you were kidding.I will be very impressed if San Diego acquires a mid-first rounder for Turner. I think it unlikely, but certainly not impossible. I do think:They will get their best possible deal before the draft. I think it possible that they may still trade him during the summer, but after the draft, you can count on two less teams being interested.If he is not traded, I think we can assume no offers of any first round picks occured.Turner may very well be >>> than Lynch, but Lynch is younger, cheaper, and the only way to acquire him is through the draft. Whereas Turner could be compensation-free in a few months. That stuff is taken into consideration as well.

I was, it would be a major coup to get turner for 16th overall straight up

 

[Buckna]

As a Charger fan I would love to see the trade with Buffalo. The No. 12 overall pick would be outstanding. The No. 12 pick seems to have produced some rather good players in the last few years.2006 - Haloti Ngata2005 - Shawne Merriman2004 - Jonathan VilmaI may just be hoping this is the case but the No. 16 pick ain't that bad either.

Keep dreaming! The most Buffalo could get for McGahee was a 3rd this year and a 3rd next. No one was willing to give up a 1st or even a 2nd for Alexander or Edge last year. No one is trading a 1st outright for an unproven backup RB, no matter how exciting a prospect he is (unless they're Ditka type insane.)

 

[Traders2001]

As a Charger fan I would love to see the trade with Buffalo. The No. 12 overall pick would be outstanding. The No. 12 pick seems to have produced some rather good players in the last few years.2006 - Haloti Ngata2005 - Shawne Merriman2004 - Jonathan VilmaI may just be hoping this is the case but the No. 16 pick ain't that bad either.

There is zero chance of the Bills trading their first round pick for Turner. Zero.

Why if they have a choice between Turner and Lynch they would want Turner by a mile .Lynch should in a normal draft with decent RB's go in the second or third round he is no first round talent.So if the Bills are thinking of selecting Lynch in the first round then it make sense to trade for Turner.

 

[Sabertooth]

Nice I wonder if GB would just part with #16 overall. That might do it.

You sure? Maybe the Pack'll throw in Woodson and Jennings, you know, as sweeteners.

AJ is going to hold out for the best deal possible, thats the beauty of it. They dont have to move Turner at all. There is no pressure to move him. Right now Turner >>> M.Lynch and dont think that the GM's dont know that. GB is not going into the season with Morency and Harron as their starters. They need to make a move bad.

I don't think you know what you are talking about here. Ted Thomspon is not one to trade picks away period. He values them like gold. If he doesn't get a deal that benefits Green Bay substancially, he won't pull the trigger.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Nice I wonder if GB would just part with #16 overall. That might do it.

You sure? Maybe the Pack'll throw in Woodson and Jennings, you know, as sweeteners.

AJ is going to hold out for the best deal possible, thats the beauty of it. They dont have to move Turner at all. There is no pressure to move him. Right now Turner >>> M.Lynch and dont think that the GM's dont know that. GB is not going into the season with Morency and Harron as their starters. They need to make a move bad.

I don't think you know what you are talking about here. Ted Thomspon is not one to trade picks away period. He values them like gold. If he doesn't get a deal that benefits Green Bay substancially, he won't pull the trigger.

GB is going to do something at RB. They have the biggest need right now, IMO.Whether that includes Turner or not remains to be seen.Plus I was half fishing,

 

[Sabertooth]

Nice I wonder if GB would just part with #16 overall. That might do it.

You sure? Maybe the Pack'll throw in Woodson and Jennings, you know, as sweeteners.

AJ is going to hold out for the best deal possible, thats the beauty of it. They dont have to move Turner at all. There is no pressure to move him. Right now Turner >>> M.Lynch and dont think that the GM's dont know that. GB is not going into the season with Morency and Harron as their starters. They need to make a move bad.

I don't think you know what you are talking about here. Ted Thomspon is not one to trade picks away period. He values them like gold. If he doesn't get a deal that benefits Green Bay substancially, he won't pull the trigger.

GB is going to do something at RB. They have the biggest need right now, IMO.Whether that includes Turner or not remains to be seen.Plus I was half fishing,

Maybe they like Morency? You never know.

 

[switz]

Maybe they like Morency?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Maybe they like Morency?

What do you want to bet he is not the game 1 starting RB for GB

 

[switz]

Maybe they like Morency?

What do you want to bet he is not the game 1 starting RB for GB

Point was that they have other options and are not going to overpay to get Turner. They did trade for Morency last year.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Maybe they like Morency?

What do you want to bet he is not the game 1 starting RB for GB

Point was that they have other options and are not going to overpay to get Turner. They did trade for Morency last year.

And my point is that GB needs a serious upgrade at starting RB, the guy is backup. How many leagues you own the guy in?The First rounder for Turner wont happen, I was half homering it there. I know this.

 

[switz]

Maybe they like Morency?

What do you want to bet he is not the game 1 starting RB for GB

Point was that they have other options and are not going to overpay to get Turner. They did trade for Morency last year.

And my point is that GB needs a serious upgrade at starting RB, the guy is backup. How many leagues you own the guy in?The First rounder for Turner wont happen, I was half homering it there. I know this.

I don't own Morency in any leagues... that doesn't change the fact that the Pack traded to acquire Morvecy... obviously they think he has potential. If they trade for Turner, it won't be for too high of a price. If they draft Lynch, my guess is MOrency opens the season, and Lynch gets worked in over time..

 

[-OZ-]

Nice I wonder if GB would just part with #16 overall. That might do it.

You sure? Maybe the Pack'll throw in Woodson and Jennings, you know, as sweeteners.

AJ is going to hold out for the best deal possible, thats the beauty of it. They dont have to move Turner at all. There is no pressure to move him. Right now Turner >>> M.Lynch and dont think that the GM's dont know that.

GB is not going into the season with Morency and Harron as their starters. They need to make a move bad.

I actually thought you were kidding.I will be very impressed if San Diego acquires a mid-first rounder for Turner. I think it unlikely, but certainly not impossible. I do think:

They will get their best possible deal before the draft. I think it possible that they may still trade him during the summer, but after the draft, you can count on two less teams being interested.

If he is not traded, I think we can assume no offers of any first round picks occured.

Turner may very well be >>> than Lynch, but Lynch is younger, cheaper, and the only way to acquire him is through the draft. Whereas Turner could be compensation-free in a few months. That stuff is taken into consideration as well.

I was, it would be a major coup to get turner for 16th overall straight up

Maybe Turner will accept the salary of the 1.16 rookie pick.

...I look for San Diego to ship him out to a team like Buffalo, Miami, Tennessee, Green Bay, Atlanta, or Cleveland.

What?

 

[Warhogs]

And my point is that GB needs a serious upgrade at starting RB, the guy is backup. How many leagues you own the guy in?

The First rounder for Turner wont happen, I was half homering it there. I know this.

Wait a minute....Turner is a backup too? I like Turner's game better than Morency but Morency has played well when given the opportunities. I would not be surprised if GB traded for Turner but I also would not be surprised if they went with Morency.

It's not like Turner is so much more proven than Morency.

 

[massraider]

Nice I wonder if GB would just part with #16 overall. That might do it.

You sure? Maybe the Pack'll throw in Woodson and Jennings, you know, as sweeteners.

AJ is going to hold out for the best deal possible, thats the beauty of it. They dont have to move Turner at all. There is no pressure to move him. Right now Turner >>> M.Lynch and dont think that the GM's dont know that. GB is not going into the season with Morency and Harron as their starters. They need to make a move bad.

I actually thought you were kidding.I will be very impressed if San Diego acquires a mid-first rounder for Turner. I think it unlikely, but certainly not impossible. I do think:They will get their best possible deal before the draft. I think it possible that they may still trade him during the summer, but after the draft, you can count on two less teams being interested.If he is not traded, I think we can assume no offers of any first round picks occured.Turner may very well be >>> than Lynch, but Lynch is younger, cheaper, and the only way to acquire him is through the draft. Whereas Turner could be compensation-free in a few months. That stuff is taken into consideration as well.

I was, it would be a major coup to get turner for 16th overall straight up

Ah, I thought so, your second post threw me off the scent.Darn these clever Charger fans.

 

[T Man]

I am a firm believer that Turner will be a quality starting RB in this league. However, in trading for Turner, any team must realize the following:

1. Turner is a bit older then any RB drafted (and RBs do not have a long shelf life);

2. To acquire the services of Turner, you WILL pay more then the salaries of the #12 or #16 overall draft pick

3. To acquire the services of Turner, you will also have to give up a drat pick or more.

So if a team can pick an RB that they believe is almost as good, then it is not a wise move to give up a pick or picks and pay a hefty salary. THe only exception is for teams on the "cusp" who think that the NFL player may be the difference maker on a playoff contender.

Buffalo: I like Buffalo, but the Bills are still rebuilding. Turner is not the difference maker that will get them to the late rounds of the playoffs or the SB. Not Yet. So, parting with the #12 pick (1200 points on the draft chart) in a straight deal for Turner will not happen. Too much up front $$$ and not enough up front return.

I could see the Bills trying to offer lesser value (but only if they have gotten an indication from Turner as to what he wants to be paid and they are agreeable). Levy, just last year, traded picks to get back in the 1st round. I could see for example, their 2nd rounder (#43 overall - 480 points on the draft chart) or their two 3rd rounders (#74 and 92 -- 360 points on the draft chart). I also could see a switch of 1st rounders with SD, the #30 (which is point wise is 550 or the equivalent of the #36 overall).

GB: GB is a team that was on the cusp of the playoffs. They have many needs as well, but in the NFC there is a chance that they can go late in the playoffs. Couple that with the Brett Favre issues, GB seems like a logical spot where they would prefer an NFL ready RB. THe problem is that TT generally does not like to give up picks, and the Packers have other needs.

A swap of 1st rounders only nets SD 350 points (or the equivalent of #56 overall - a late 2nd rounder). A straight 2nd rounder (#47 overall) could also doe the trick.

FOr SD, BUF and GB, however, there is no incentive to do the deal now. Let the draft play out. Buffalo can wait and see who is available at 12 (Willis, Branch, Peterson) and take them. If they are gone, they may want to move back (and save the money on the draft pick) and try to pick up a cornerback or another LB. ANd SD would have the opportunity to see who is available at 12 that they may want. The same is true for the Bills 2nd rounder. THere is some talk that Lynch is sliding (that his teammates and/or coaches did not talk highly of him -- of course, it could be a smokescreen).

As for GB, if they like Lynch, they are fine unless Peterson is taken early. If that is the case, then they can see if a trade up is possible and cheap or if they should try to work out a trade with SD -- and SD can once again see who is available.

I would think under normal circumstances, GB probably would be willing to pay more for Turner; but given TTs history GB is not a normal circumstance. If noone of value to TT is available at 16, maybe he trades down, but SD will need to know who is available also. The same is true come GBs 2nd rounder.

In short, I see no problem with this thing playing out on draft day. Teams are just putting out feelers to see what may be possible. THe unknown at this time is Turner's agents demands. High demands would likely scare off any suiter (or lower the value of any package a team offers).

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

It's not like Turner is so much more proven than Morency.

I don't think many NFL personnel guys would rank Turner and Morency very close together.FWIW, I personally think Turner is one of the top five runners in the league. (I say "runners" instead of "RBs" because he seems pretty limited as a receiver.)

 

[Renegades of Funk]

There would have to be a lot of ground work laid for this to be a draft day trade. Any team that trades for Turner will need to have a long term contract in place. For that reason I think the trade would happen prior to the draft if it is going to happen.

 

[OoOBaby]

I just don't see Turner being dealt.

AJ will demand someone over pays, and AJ might even be better off keeping Turner and going for the SB. So Turner walks, they probably still get a 4th for him.

AJ Smith doesn't mess around. He demanded a high price for Edwards, no one paid it, so he kept him. And he also might not lose Turner. He could do a Betts type deal, re-sign him for 4-5 years, sell him on the fact LT is getting up there, they want to split more of the load, and keep him in SD where he's happy.

AJ Smith just isn't going to move Turner cause he's a RFA. AJ could give two ####s about that. If the deal helps his team, he'll do it. Otherwise he'll ride Turner out in 2007. You can tell by his comments. Lots of people talking to him, he's not getting overly excited. People will try to hang the "Turner is a RFA - get what you can now" and AJ won't be buying IMHO.

 

[OoOBaby]

It's not like Turner is so much more proven than Morency.

I don't think many NFL personnel guys would rank Turner and Morency very close together.FWIW, I personally think Turner is one of the top five runners in the league. (I say "runners" instead of "RBs" because he seems pretty limited as a receiver.)

AD/Rudi/Lewis couldn't catch a bar of soap, on a rope, around their neck. But they're still RBs. (and yes I know AD wasn't called on to catch the ball, save the replies)I don't see the need to split up runners and running backs. Turner is a RB. So I'd guess total package RB, you'd rank Turner 8-12 range, drop him down a bit for his lack of hands. Though I'm not sure how much it's really hurts Rudi. If they guy can run, they'll run him. The NFL is moving away from the 3 down, 400-450 touch guy. Being able to bring in a 3rd down back, share the load, seems to be getting far more popular. So I don't see that being overly negative for Turner. If the guy is an elite top 5 runner, he's a top 10 RB regardless.

 

[Banger]

It all comes down to whether or not teams feel Turner is the real deal. If they do then it's worth making a deal (a 2nd rounder say for Buff/GB). Some are arguing that you will have to pay him AND give up a draft pick, well that's the case with any player in the draft. Yes, you'll have to pay him a little more than the draft slot but you win in the league with talent and to me it doesn't make a lot of sense to lock into a long term deal with a lesser back to save $6 mill over 4 years.

If Turner goes to FA next year he will assuredly get quite a bit more than he would if dealt and signed this year so while you won't have to give a pick you will have to pay more AND you have to waste a year with a Morency/Chris Brown/etc. or other throw away option instead your future around a franchise player.

If teams feel that Turner is a real talent and franchise type back a 2nd rounder is not a steep price.

 

[Banger]

He could do a Betts type deal, re-sign him for 4-5 years, sell him on the fact LT is getting up there, they want to split more of the load, and keep him in SD where he's happy.

Agreed with most of what you wrote but I don't see any way that Turner resigns with the Chargers. Why should he? He can and will be a starter for someone and I don't think there's a good enough salesman in the world to convince Turner that he may start splitting carries with LT. Chances are LT will continue to re-write the record books over the next few years and getting the ball out of his hands probably won't be real high on their list.

 

[PsychoMan]

ya know how lance briggs is pissed about the franchise tag the bears placed on him? seems like what the chargers did to turner - requiring a 1st and 3rd in order to sign him is just as bad. how did turner take that - has he even demanded a trade? must be nice to have a guy on your team that isnt being a punk about those kinda moves.

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