*** Official Michael Turner 2007 offseason thread *** (3 Viewers)

[cstu]

San Diego's most recent 2nd and 3rd round picks:Marcus McNeill *Charlie WhitehurstVincent Jackson *Igor Olshansky *Nate Kaeding *Nick Hardwick * Drayton FlorenceTerrance Kiel Courtney Van Buren Those aren't all hits, but I count five long-term starters (denoted by *). Kiel started some games and Florence may have started for a year or two (at the very least, I know there was a time when he got some decent PT). Out of nine total picks, San Diego landed five starters for a hit rate of 55.5%. I can't see how anyone could look at these figures and say San Diego is better off with one year of Turner than a 50% chance at several seasons from a guy like Olshansky, McNeill, or Hardwick.

If I felt comfortable that the Chargers could get a comparable RB in this draft then I'd be all for it. They don't have a RB who can carry the load after LT and will need to draft someone. I guess they could bring in Chris Brown but he seems like he'll want too much money. In the draft it's going to be a gamble finding a RB who will be successful in the NFL his rookie year like the Chargers need. I'm not sold any of the 2nd tier RB's - Bush, Pittman, Hunt, Irons and Jackson.

 

[nygiants56]

I saw more from Lamont Jordan before he became a starter than Turner has shown thus far. And Jordan turned out to be not worth the money IMO.

Whoa. Really?Lamont in 4 seasons:262 carries, 1277 yards, 4.87 avg. 9 20+ yard runs.Turner in only 3 years:157 carries, 941 yards, 6.0 avg, 10 20+ yard runs.

I think at this point, a trade or deal involving Turner is more likely to happen on draft day. it has become a cat and mouse game with SD. They've asked for a high second, according to some reports, so I 'd expect a team like GB or Houston to offer their #2 pick for Turner. But it seems to be a game where no one wants to blink first here..when the draft begins SD can't fool around anymore, they'll look to deal him.

 

[EBF]

San Diego's most recent 2nd and 3rd round picks:Marcus McNeill *Charlie WhitehurstVincent Jackson *Igor Olshansky *Nate Kaeding *Nick Hardwick * Drayton FlorenceTerrance Kiel Courtney Van Buren Those aren't all hits, but I count five long-term starters (denoted by *). Kiel started some games and Florence may have started for a year or two (at the very least, I know there was a time when he got some decent PT). Out of nine total picks, San Diego landed five starters for a hit rate of 55.5%. I can't see how anyone could look at these figures and say San Diego is better off with one year of Turner than a 50% chance at several seasons from a guy like Olshansky, McNeill, or Hardwick.

If I felt comfortable that the Chargers could get a comparable RB in this draft then I'd be all for it. They don't have a RB who can carry the load after LT and will need to draft someone. I guess they could bring in Chris Brown but he seems like he'll want too much money. In the draft it's going to be a gamble finding a RB who will be successful in the NFL his rookie year like the Chargers need. I'm not sold any of the 2nd tier RB's - Bush, Pittman, Hunt, Irons and Jackson.

So you think one season of a guy who will probably only play for 10-25% of the offensive snaps is more valuable than a 50% chance at a guy who starts for 2-4 years? I disagree. And yea, they'd have to find a backup for LT if they dealt Turner, but they'll have to do it a year from now even if they keep him.

 

[Buckna]

It all comes down to whether or not teams feel Turner is the real deal. If they do then it's worth making a deal (a 2nd rounder say for Buff/GB). Some are arguing that you will have to pay him AND give up a draft pick, well that's the case with any player in the draft. Yes, you'll have to pay him a little more than the draft slot but you win in the league with talent and to me it doesn't make a lot of sense to lock into a long term deal with a lesser back to save $6 mill over 4 years.

If Turner goes to FA next year he will assuredly get quite a bit more than he would if dealt and signed this year so while you won't have to give a pick you will have to pay more AND you have to waste a year with a Morency/Chris Brown/etc. or other throw away option instead your future around a franchise player.

If teams feel that Turner is a real talent and franchise type back a 2nd rounder is not a steep price.

I think this is a major assumption by us fantasy football fanatics.The Texans thought Schaub was a real talent and a franchise type QB and only gave up 2 2nd's (and most posters said they paid too much.) Willis McGahee IS a franchise type back and a real talent and only got 2 3rd's (and a worthless 7th) in exchange. Edge and Alexander were available when they got franchised and those are undeniably franchise RB's and no one was willing to trade for them.

I think many of us vastly over-rate how much RB's are worth to most NFL clubs.

 

[crnerblitz]

How much does AJ's ability to determine where he goes play into this? Next year, he has no say in it.

thats not true. AJ could franchise him and then trade him.

Wow, If Im Turner I would be all over that offer like a duck on a June bug. I get a one year deal to be a backup runningback with little to no risk of serious injury and get paid the average of the top 5 RB's in the league. I wouldn't even let the ink on the tender offer get dry.

 

[EBF]

I think many of us vastly over-rate how much RB's are worth to most NFL clubs.

I'm with you there. Pretty much any pro runner with a pulse can average 3.5-4.0 YPC. A team wouldn't be sunk because it had to start someone like Musa Smith or Justin Fargas.

 

[stbugs]

San Diego's most recent 2nd and 3rd round picks:Marcus McNeill *Charlie WhitehurstVincent Jackson *Igor Olshansky *Nate Kaeding *Nick Hardwick * Drayton FlorenceTerrance Kiel Courtney Van Buren Those aren't all hits, but I count five long-term starters (denoted by *). Kiel started some games and Florence may have started for a year or two (at the very least, I know there was a time when he got some decent PT). Out of nine total picks, San Diego landed five starters for a hit rate of 55.5%. I can't see how anyone could look at these figures and say San Diego is better off with one year of Turner than a 50% chance at several seasons from a guy like Olshansky, McNeill, or Hardwick.

If I felt comfortable that the Chargers could get a comparable RB in this draft then I'd be all for it. They don't have a RB who can carry the load after LT and will need to draft someone. I guess they could bring in Chris Brown but he seems like he'll want too much money. In the draft it's going to be a gamble finding a RB who will be successful in the NFL his rookie year like the Chargers need. I'm not sold any of the 2nd tier RB's - Bush, Pittman, Hunt, Irons and Jackson.

So you think one season of a guy who will probably only play for 10-25% of the offensive snaps is more valuable than a 50% chance at a guy who starts for 2-4 years? I disagree. And yea, they'd have to find a backup for LT if they dealt Turner, but they'll have to do it a year from now even if they keep him.

Turner had 15% of the rushes (Rivers, Neal and others had more carries than Turner) and 1% of the receptions for SD. If I were a Super Bowl contender I would deal with replacing that and taking a 50% chance at upgrading a starting position.If the team (NE) that knocked me out of the playoffs last year seemed to get better in the off season, I sure would consider getting a high 2nd rounder this year for my backup RB.

 

[On The Rocks]

San Diego's most recent 2nd and 3rd round picks:Marcus McNeill *Charlie WhitehurstVincent Jackson *Igor Olshansky *Nate Kaeding *Nick Hardwick * Drayton FlorenceTerrance Kiel Courtney Van Buren Those aren't all hits, but I count five long-term starters (denoted by *). Kiel started some games and Florence may have started for a year or two (at the very least, I know there was a time when he got some decent PT). Out of nine total picks, San Diego landed five starters for a hit rate of 55.5%. I can't see how anyone could look at these figures and say San Diego is better off with one year of Turner than a 50% chance at several seasons from a guy like Olshansky, McNeill, or Hardwick.

If I felt comfortable that the Chargers could get a comparable RB in this draft then I'd be all for it. They don't have a RB who can carry the load after LT and will need to draft someone. I guess they could bring in Chris Brown but he seems like he'll want too much money. In the draft it's going to be a gamble finding a RB who will be successful in the NFL his rookie year like the Chargers need. I'm not sold any of the 2nd tier RB's - Bush, Pittman, Hunt, Irons and Jackson.

So you think one season of a guy who will probably only play for 10-25% of the offensive snaps is more valuable than a 50% chance at a guy who starts for 2-4 years? I disagree. And yea, they'd have to find a backup for LT if they dealt Turner, but they'll have to do it a year from now even if they keep him.

Turner had 15% of the rushes (Rivers, Neal and others had more carries than Turner)

you lost me there.

 

[Bri]

The Chargers should get Dillon's agent on the phone so they can land him right after a deal is done. There's not alot of RBs out there, they can't drag this out long and expect to find a quality replacement.

 

[Air Coryell]

It's not like Turner is so much more proven than Morency.

I don't think many NFL personnel guys would rank Turner and Morency very close together.FWIW, I personally think Turner is one of the top five runners in the league. (I say "runners" instead of "RBs" because he seems pretty limited as a receiver.)

I'd definitely second that with Turner's ability. I'm a huge LT fan, but there's just something about Turner's style. One of my favorite games to watch on DVD is the SD v. Indy game from 2005 where Turner really won the game. He doesn't have the all around game of LT, but he's going to really surprise people when he gets the chance. I just hope he does it for someone in the NFC.

 

[cstu]

San Diego's most recent 2nd and 3rd round picks:Marcus McNeill *Charlie WhitehurstVincent Jackson *Igor Olshansky *Nate Kaeding *Nick Hardwick * Drayton FlorenceTerrance Kiel Courtney Van Buren Those aren't all hits, but I count five long-term starters (denoted by *). Kiel started some games and Florence may have started for a year or two (at the very least, I know there was a time when he got some decent PT). Out of nine total picks, San Diego landed five starters for a hit rate of 55.5%. I can't see how anyone could look at these figures and say San Diego is better off with one year of Turner than a 50% chance at several seasons from a guy like Olshansky, McNeill, or Hardwick.

If I felt comfortable that the Chargers could get a comparable RB in this draft then I'd be all for it. They don't have a RB who can carry the load after LT and will need to draft someone. I guess they could bring in Chris Brown but he seems like he'll want too much money. In the draft it's going to be a gamble finding a RB who will be successful in the NFL his rookie year like the Chargers need. I'm not sold any of the 2nd tier RB's - Bush, Pittman, Hunt, Irons and Jackson.

So you think one season of a guy who will probably only play for 10-25% of the offensive snaps is more valuable than a 50% chance at a guy who starts for 2-4 years? I disagree. And yea, they'd have to find a backup for LT if they dealt Turner, but they'll have to do it a year from now even if they keep him.

There's a compelling case either way, but I'm of the mindset that SD is in the best position to win a SB that they've had in who knows how long. Long-term they could be better off by trading Turner now, but LT is in his prime and I don't see a 2nd round player out there who will make the impact Turner will this season. If SD goes into next season with rookie RB or whoever is left as a free agent then I'm going to be fearful every time LT touches the ball.As for the issue that you can plug any RB in and get to the SB, sure, anything is possible but why put yourself in that position when you can go into the season with the best RB in the game and a starting caliber RB as his backup?

 

[bigreese82]

Chargers RB Turner is on Titans' short list

Staff Writer

Nearly a month after losing Travis Henry in free agency, the Titans still haven't signed a running back.

For now they have LenDale White and a player to be named later. That player could be Chris Brown, who finished last season third on the depth chart and remains unsigned.

But it also could end up being San Diego's Michael Turner, a restricted free agent whose work has been overshadowed by MVP LaDainian Tomlinson.

The Titans and Bills are among the teams interested in Turner, who rushed for 502 yards and two touchdowns last season while averaging a whopping 6.3 yards per carry.

He won't come cheap. The Chargers tendered him at $2.35 million, with first- and third-round draft pick compensation.

For the Titans to get Turner, they'd have to sign him to a new contract. If the Chargers don't match it, the Titans would potentially have to compensate San Diego with at least one early draft pick.

The deadline for another team to sign a restricted free agent is April 20.

Agent Bus Cook, who represents Turner, refused to discuss what kind of interest the Titans might have in his client.

The Titans also have spoken to the agent for another restricted free-agent back, San Francisco's Maurice Hicks, but for now they appear to have their sights on Turner or Brown.

Brown's agent, Wynn Silberman, said that if Brown returns to Tennessee, it could be for a one-year deal.

A few weeks ago, Brown visited the Bills, who remain interested.

"There's about four teams we are considering and Tennessee is right in the mix,'' Silberman said.

As for unrestricted free-agent running backs, veteran Corey Dillon is still available.

Nickey back: The Titans have agreed to terms with safety Donnie Nickey on a one-year contract. A fifth-round pick by the Titans in 2003, Nickey has been a big contributor on special teams.

Last season he played in all 16 games and tied for third on the team with 16 special-teams tackles.

"He has played an important role in the past and he certainly has the potential to do that in the future,'' Titans General Manager Mike Reinfeldt said.

Meachem visits: Former Tennessee Volunteers star Robert Meachem, regarded as one of the top receivers in the draft, recently visited the Titans.

The Titans, scheduled to pick 19th in the first round, are in desperate need of a receiver.

Meachem also is scheduled to make pre-draft visits to Buffalo, New England, St. Louis, Minnesota, San Diego, Kansas City and San Francisco.

Titans eye Pope: The Titans attended a workout Friday for Howard defensive back Geoff Pope, who's no longer flying under the radar after recently being clocked at a 4.27 in the 40-yard dash.

The Colts also attended Friday's workout, and Pope is scheduled to work out for the Patriots and Redskins this week.

The Bengals and Panthers also have expressed interest in Pope, who attended the combine last month.

The Colts last year drafted Howard safety Antoine Bethea, and the Rams in 2005 drafted Howard defensive back Ronald Bartell.

Not yet: As of late Friday, the Clark County, Nev., district attorney's office had not received the Las Vegas police case on Pacman Jones.

Earlier this week, police said they were recommending the DA file felony coercion, misdemeanor battery and misdemeanor threat to life charges against the Titans cornerback for his involvement in a Feb. 19 strip club melee that was followed by a triple shooting.

Fletcher update: Former Lions cornerback Jamar Fletcher, who visited the Titans a few weeks back, remains unsigned. Reinfeldt has remained in contact with Fletcher's agent.

"He is looking at some other teams and I think he is at a certain level that he thinks he needs to be at compensation-wise,'' Reinfeldt said.

Tuggle promoted: Tina Tuggle will replace Marcus Robertson as director of player development for the Titans.

Robertson, who had held the job since 2003, recently was added to Coach Jeff Fisher's staff as assistant secondary coach.

Tuggle has worked behind the scenes since the team moved to Tennessee in 1997. She recently served as executive assistant to former GM Floyd Reese, but she's also worked with Robertson.

Tuggle will assist players with career transition into and out of the NFL through continuing education, financial education and programs that deal with family matters.

 

[RedZone]

This may be proof that I have been spending way too much time wondering where M Turner will land (yes, he is on my roster).

I woke up thinking about a possible deal that would involve Tenn that made sense in a number of ways, but I am sure it can be shot down because of factors I didn't consider or the all-powerful opinion of anonymous members, LOL.

Here is the upshoot, and for the record, I would rather not see Turner in Tenn. Young is good, but depends on his own running skill to get out of trouble instead of checking down from what I saw. I saw this in Eric Crouch at Nebraska and I consider it a flaw in NFL qbs with rare exception (Vick). Maybe the weak WR play last year and his rookie status had something to do with it, I hope so.

Tenn trades its first rounder with Detroit and throws in Pacman who would have to renegotiate his contract due to his recent fiasco(s). Karma may aid in this as playing in Detroit could be part of his sentence from the presiding judge in Clark County, NV.

Tenn then trades second round picks with SD (50 overall for 62) and gives their third (80th pick).

This would give SD an earlier second and three thirds (original, comp and trade with Tenn) which would give them a strong draft.

Tenn rids itself of expensive and embarassing CB which can be replaced in free agency and Detroit has the potential of replacing Bly if they can find a football professional in Jones. Turner costs a third and Tenn still has a second.

Tenn could use the second pick to get Calvin Johnson, which would be critical after losing so many receivers in the last couple years.

Thoughts?

(edited to add Tenn draft pick)

 

[Obie Wan]

This may be proof that I have been spending way too much time wondering where M Turner will land (yes, he is on my roster).I woke up thinking about a possible deal that would involve Tenn that made sense in a number of ways, but I am sure it can be shot down because of factors I didn't consider or the all-powerful opinion of anonymous members, LOL.Here is the upshoot, and for the record, I would rather not see Turner in Tenn. Young is good, but depends on his own running skill to get out of trouble instead of checking down from what I saw. I saw this in Eric Crouch at Nebraska and I consider it a flaw in NFL qbs with rare exception (Vick). Maybe the weak WR play last year and his rookie status had something to do with it, I hope so.Tenn trades its first rounder with Detroit and throws in Pacman who would have to renegotiate his contract due to his recent fiasco(s). Karma may aid in this as playing in Detroit could be part of his sentence from the presiding judge in Clark County, NV.Tenn then trades second round picks with SD (50 overall for 62) and gives their third (80th pick).This would give SD an earlier second and three thirds (original, comp and trade with Tenn) which would give them a strong draft. Tenn rids itself of expensive and embarassing CB which can be replaced in free agency and Detroit has the potential of replacing Bly if they can find a football professional in Jones. Turner costs a third and Tenn still has a second.Tenn could use the second pick to get Calvin Johnson, which would be critical after losing so many receivers in the last couple years.Thoughts?(edited to add Tenn draft pick)

Why would Detroit give up anything for a player that may be banned from the league at worst, and at best is a constant distraction?

 

[Pickle Rody]

Why would Detroit give up anything for a player that may be banned from the league at worst, and at best is a constant distraction?

Detroit is looking to get better. And doesn't any team that eventually signs Turner to an offer sheet automatically know that if SD does not match the offer, then that team must give SD their 1st & 3rd this year?I am very interested to see where Turner eventually lands this year, SD or other. I think Tennessee would be a very good 'fit' for the Burner. I just don't think you're scenario was all that well thought out.Just my thoughts......

 

[lebowski]

This may be proof that I have been spending way too much time wondering where M Turner will land (yes, he is on my roster).I woke up thinking about a possible deal that would involve Tenn that made sense in a number of ways, but I am sure it can be shot down because of factors I didn't consider or the all-powerful opinion of anonymous members, LOL.Here is the upshoot, and for the record, I would rather not see Turner in Tenn. Young is good, but depends on his own running skill to get out of trouble instead of checking down from what I saw. I saw this in Eric Crouch at Nebraska and I consider it a flaw in NFL qbs with rare exception (Vick). Maybe the weak WR play last year and his rookie status had something to do with it, I hope so.Tenn trades its first rounder with Detroit and throws in Pacman who would have to renegotiate his contract due to his recent fiasco(s). Karma may aid in this as playing in Detroit could be part of his sentence from the presiding judge in Clark County, NV.Tenn then trades second round picks with SD (50 overall for 62) and gives their third (80th pick).This would give SD an earlier second and three thirds (original, comp and trade with Tenn) which would give them a strong draft. Tenn rids itself of expensive and embarassing CB which can be replaced in free agency and Detroit has the potential of replacing Bly if they can find a football professional in Jones. Turner costs a third and Tenn still has a second.Tenn could use the second pick to get Calvin Johnson, which would be critical after losing so many receivers in the last couple years.Thoughts?(edited to add Tenn draft pick)

Why would Detroit give up anything for a player that may be banned from the league at worst, and at best is a constant distraction?

I hear that Marinelli is REALLY trying to clean things up in D-town and that is part of the reason Bly was let go in the 1st place. If that is the case...why would you get rid of Bly and then pick up Jones. Makes no sense from the Lions point of view.

 

[zamboni]

From today:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/charg...31chargers.html

Mentions TEN and BUF (obviously), but that GB isn't interested. Very surprised to see the Jets and Cowboys mentioned though.

I still doubt that Turner will be moved given the price tag, but less sure than as of a few days ago. The old adage "where there's smoke, there's fire" may be starting to be in effect.

 

[bigreese82]

I truly believe that Turner will be traded. The tag is just for show...I don't think any team will pay the first and a third for him.

 

[Jackal]

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/SD/10098476

Chargers' Smith: RB Turner creating 'a buzz'

NFL.com wire reports

SAN DIEGO (March 30, 2007) -- Despite the high price tag, San Diego Chargers running back Michael Turner -- the backup to league MVP LaDainian Tomlinson -- could be a hot commodity in the weeks leading up to the NFL draft.

General manager A.J. Smith said he fielded several inquiries about Turner, a restricted free agent, during the league meetings earlier this week in Phoenix.

"It is a buzz," Smith said. "I'd say it picked up speed as we left Wednesday night."

The GM values Turner so much that he put a first-and-third tender on the bruising 237-pounder, who averaged 6.3 yards a carry last season in spelling Tomlinson. That means if another team signs Turner to an offer sheet, the Chargers can either match the offer or receive that team's first- and third-round picks in the draft April 28-29.

Turner can become an unrestricted free agent after next season, so his value to the Chargers is highest now. The team will listen to trade offers.

"My position is a one and a three for now, but we'd be open to whatever somebody has to say," Smith said. "If it's something we like, we'd entertain it. If not, he'll return and be a backup and a kickoff returner and next year he's free and off he goes."

Smith wouldn't say which teams showed the most interest.

"A few of them absolutely have strong interest. Some might be lukewarm, some are on the outside just getting into it," Smith said. "Where it goes from there, I don't know. No question, it's legit. We're just sitting here with a one-and-a-three tender, and activity. Whether we stick to that, or take less, I don't really know." Turner carried 80 times for 502 yards and two touchdowns last year. Tomlinson set NFL records with 31 touchdowns and 186 points, while winning his first rushing title with 1,815 yards.

"There's no timetable," Smith said. "It could go all the way through the draft."

 

[KellysHeroes]

he will be traded on draft day.... Just like J Walker last yr

 

[DocGonzo]

Good God, man. Trading for Pac Man would be an all-time low even for the Lidowns.

The poster above is right. Everything I hear locally is about Marinelli cleaning up the lockeroom and trying to change the losing culture around that team. Marinelli's "Pound the Rock" mantra could take on a whole different meaning with Pac Man on board.

Edit for spelling.

 

[RedZone]

OK, I should apologize to BigReese82 first for hijacking this thread, it was just so timely with my waking up thinking of this.

The Chargers seem willing to take a lower offer and this has been posted on the board a few times. First round picks don't seem to be offered hardly ever and this trade benefited so many teams.

Character issues aside (and I realize that is impossible in the real world) Pacman has the tool set to improve the D in Detroit and serve as a kick returner.

I was going on their tradition of taking troubled talent (Rogers, BMW) and didn't realize they were trying to clean house (hence one of the factors I admittedly wasn't aware of in my first post). I realize Pacman will probably be out for some games, but I don't see him being held to the new guidelines.

I know the bad apples rarely change, even Parcells couldn't bring TO into a team mentality. But I figured maybe if his (pacman) contract was restructured, with behavior clauses, it would give them a talented former early pick (wasn't he #6 or so?) and they would still have 19th pick.

In truth, I would have to agree, I would think it a dumb move by Detroit.

For Tennessee, it would have been great to get Turner and C Johnson for relatively cheap.

Given the conscensus of responses, I will don the dunce cap of shame

 

[Otis]

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[Sigmund Bloom]

I wonder if the price Atlanta got for Schaub made AJ rethink this whole thing.

 

[Domination]

I wonder if the price Atlanta got for Schaub made AJ rethink this whole thing.

What do you forsee as the actual price to get him?

 

[zamboni]

Good link, but can we merge these Turner threads? It's getting dizzy seeing so many threads saying essentially the same thing.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I wonder if the price Atlanta got for Schaub made AJ rethink this whole thing.

What do you forsee as the actual price to get him?

A mid to early 2nd, possibly a late first.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

I wonder if the price Atlanta got for Schaub made AJ rethink this whole thing.

I think Atlanta robbed Houston on that deal - but this is no surprise, as Houston has a history of making blunders.I also agree that the Burner will be dealt on or before draft day. They won't get anything for him next year. ...and he won't be the starter in Bolt-Town anytime soon.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I wonder if the price Atlanta got for Schaub made AJ rethink this whole thing.

I think Atlanta robbed Houston on that deal - but this is no surprise, as Houston has a history of making blunders.

Exactly... AJ must be thinking, "If i can generate enough buzz, I can rob a team too"edit to add: I dont really think Atlanta robbed Houston when you look at the contract Schaub got. A reasonable priced starting quality QB for 2 2nds and 2 slots in the first is not bad because of the scarcity of QBs. Your hands are tied if your QB situation is hopeless, there just arent that many options. In reality, its not that Falcons robbed the Texans, they just took advantage of the QB hysteria/panic that rules in this NFL.

 

[redman]

I wonder if the price Atlanta got for Schaub made AJ rethink this whole thing.

I think Atlanta robbed Houston on that deal - but this is no surprise, as Houston has a history of making blunders.

Exactly... AJ must be thinking, "If i can generate enough buzz, I can rob a team too"edit to add: I dont really think Atlanta robbed Houston when you look at the contract Schaub got. A reasonable priced starting quality QB for 2 2nds and 2 slots in the first is not bad because of the scarcity of QBs. Your hands are tied if your QB situation is hopeless, there just arent that many options.

The critical difference is that the RB market is flush with talent, while the QB market is not. The chances of AJ Smith repeating "what Atlanta did" seems low.

 

[AtomicDogg97]

What do you guys think the % chance that he stays in San Diego versus being traded is?

 

[OoOBaby]

I wonder if the price Atlanta got for Schaub made AJ rethink this whole thing.

I think Atlanta robbed Houston on that deal - but this is no surprise, as Houston has a history of making blunders.

Exactly... AJ must be thinking, "If i can generate enough buzz, I can rob a team too"edit to add: I dont really think Atlanta robbed Houston when you look at the contract Schaub got. A reasonable priced starting quality QB for 2 2nds and 2 slots in the first is not bad because of the scarcity of QBs. Your hands are tied if your QB situation is hopeless, there just arent that many options.

The critical difference is that the RB market is flush with talent, while the QB market is not. The chances of AJ Smith repeating "what Atlanta did" seems low.

That all being said, why trade Turner?The have a team that can win the SB now. Turner by the talk around here is the next Jim Brown. Why not take your shot at the SB. Instead you'll weaken your team for a draft pick? Really? It's great to plan for the future, it's great to "get value", but the Chargers are all about winning, and winning now. LT is getting up there, they have the talent, Turner is a great backup/kick returner, why set yourself back to get "value". Go for the SB, and if you don't win, let him go. You can get backup RBs.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I wonder if the price Atlanta got for Schaub made AJ rethink this whole thing.

I think Atlanta robbed Houston on that deal - but this is no surprise, as Houston has a history of making blunders.

Exactly... AJ must be thinking, "If i can generate enough buzz, I can rob a team too"edit to add: I dont really think Atlanta robbed Houston when you look at the contract Schaub got. A reasonable priced starting quality QB for 2 2nds and 2 slots in the first is not bad because of the scarcity of QBs. Your hands are tied if your QB situation is hopeless, there just arent that many options.

The critical difference is that the RB market is flush with talent, while the QB market is not. The chances of AJ Smith repeating "what Atlanta did" seems low.

Well there's no way he'll get the price that Atlanta got for Schaub, i'll agree with that, but it still demonstrates how a team can cash in on a team seeing a player as a long term answer when they are just a one year backup for you. I think Turner should fetch what McGahee fetched as a starting point, but with a 2nd instead of a 3rd.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I wonder if the price Atlanta got for Schaub made AJ rethink this whole thing.

I think Atlanta robbed Houston on that deal - but this is no surprise, as Houston has a history of making blunders.

Exactly... AJ must be thinking, "If i can generate enough buzz, I can rob a team too"edit to add: I dont really think Atlanta robbed Houston when you look at the contract Schaub got. A reasonable priced starting quality QB for 2 2nds and 2 slots in the first is not bad because of the scarcity of QBs. Your hands are tied if your QB situation is hopeless, there just arent that many options.

The critical difference is that the RB market is flush with talent, while the QB market is not. The chances of AJ Smith repeating "what Atlanta did" seems low.

That all being said, why trade Turner?The have a team that can win the SB now. Turner by the talk around here is the next Jim Brown. Why not take your shot at the SB. Instead you'll weaken your team for a draft pick? Really? It's great to plan for the future, it's great to "get value", but the Chargers are all about winning, and winning now. LT is getting up there, they have the talent, Turner is a great backup/kick returner, why set yourself back to get "value". Go for the SB, and if you don't win, let him go. You can get backup RBs.

A first day pick = a future starter, and you get to choose the player and position. Its not trivial. That being said, you make a great point about the run for an SB. What if a Turner kick return or him busting off a TD run when he's spelling LT is the difference between winning and losing in the playoffs? Its a tough question. Unlike Schaub, Turner has value even if the starter doesnt get hurt (although Atlanta should have been running some novelty plays with VIck in the backfield and Schaub under center for the last 2 years)

 

[redman]

I wonder if the price Atlanta got for Schaub made AJ rethink this whole thing.

I think Atlanta robbed Houston on that deal - but this is no surprise, as Houston has a history of making blunders.

Exactly... AJ must be thinking, "If i can generate enough buzz, I can rob a team too"edit to add: I dont really think Atlanta robbed Houston when you look at the contract Schaub got. A reasonable priced starting quality QB for 2 2nds and 2 slots in the first is not bad because of the scarcity of QBs. Your hands are tied if your QB situation is hopeless, there just arent that many options.

The critical difference is that the RB market is flush with talent, while the QB market is not. The chances of AJ Smith repeating "what Atlanta did" seems low.

Well there's no way he'll get the price that Atlanta got for Schaub, i'll agree with that, but it still demonstrates how a team can cash in on a team seeing a player as a long term answer when they are just a one year backup for you. I think Turner should fetch what McGahee fetched as a starting point, but with a 2nd instead of a 3rd.

A low to mid-2nd is what I was thinking as well. Keep in mind that TJ's price per the pick value chart was a 3rd, just like Willis', and both guys had problems that Turner doesn't have (TJ- age; McGahee- attitude & mouths to feed ).

 

[redman]

I would add that if this deal doesn't happen by draft day, it won't happen . . . unless a team loses its RB1 to injury during camp . . . and panics and trades for him . . . like Washington did last year . . . with TJ Duckett.

 

[cstu]

I wonder if the price Atlanta got for Schaub made AJ rethink this whole thing.

I think Atlanta robbed Houston on that deal - but this is no surprise, as Houston has a history of making blunders.

Exactly... AJ must be thinking, "If i can generate enough buzz, I can rob a team too"edit to add: I dont really think Atlanta robbed Houston when you look at the contract Schaub got. A reasonable priced starting quality QB for 2 2nds and 2 slots in the first is not bad because of the scarcity of QBs. Your hands are tied if your QB situation is hopeless, there just arent that many options.

The critical difference is that the RB market is flush with talent, while the QB market is not. The chances of AJ Smith repeating "what Atlanta did" seems low.

That all being said, why trade Turner?The have a team that can win the SB now. Turner by the talk around here is the next Jim Brown. Why not take your shot at the SB. Instead you'll weaken your team for a draft pick? Really? It's great to plan for the future, it's great to "get value", but the Chargers are all about winning, and winning now. LT is getting up there, they have the talent, Turner is a great backup/kick returner, why set yourself back to get "value". Go for the SB, and if you don't win, let him go. You can get backup RBs.

That's what I've been saying all along. My guess is that people saying SD should take a 2nd for Turner don't realize how rare it is for the team to have a legit shot at the SB.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I would add that if this deal doesn't happen by draft day, it won't happen . . . unless a team loses its RB1 to injury during camp . . . and panics and trades for him . . . like Washington did last year . . . with TJ Duckett.

and lets be fair, the likelihood of a team losing their starting RB during camp is not exactly microscopic. just for argument's sake, if I'm Seattle and Alexander goes down, or I'm Chicago and Benson goes down, then yeah, im willing to trade my 08 first for Turner.

 

[redman]

I would add that if this deal doesn't happen by draft day, it won't happen . . . unless a team loses its RB1 to injury during camp . . . and panics and trades for him . . . like Washington did last year . . . with TJ Duckett.

and lets be fair, the likelihood of a team losing their starting RB during camp is not exactly microscopic. just for argument's sake, if I'm Seattle and Alexander goes down, or I'm Chicago and Benson goes down, then yeah, im willing to trade my 08 first for Turner.

It's rarely so clear cut though. If Seattle loses Alexander or Chicago loses Benson and comes calling, but Ladanian's got a sprained knee that he's nursing during camp, do you trade Turner? There's no doubt that the best chance for a Turner trade will occur in the next month. It may be as high as 50-60% to put a number on it. If it doesn't happen then, I'd say the chance of it happening falls below 20%. Remember that the Chargers would want such a trade to happen before or during the draft as that would enable them to draft his replacement. Like someone else said, Turner is still very valuable to the Chargers given that they're among the league elites as far as talent goes and correctly see themselves as a legit Super Bowl contender.

 

[Couch Potato]

Character issues aside (and I realize that is impossible in the real world) Pacman has the tool set to improve the D in Detroit and serve as a kick returner.

I think what you're still not getting is that Pacman is about to be suspended for a year. Zero tool set, just tool.

 

[kevinray]

gata love the turner threads. the offseason info has really hit a wall.

 

[Traders2001]

In addition to the Titans and Bills, the Cowboys and Jets have reportedly shown interest in acquiring restricted free agent Michael Turner.

"Sources" tell the San Diego Union-Tribune that all four clubs are willing to part with their first-round picks, but the Bolts want a first- and third-rounder. This story seems a bit far fetched.

Cant understand why the Jets and Cowboys would be interested i mean the Boys have Jones and Barber ( With Turner you dont need a goal line back he can do it all ) the Jets just got Thomas Jones .

 

[Dr. Evil]

Realistically, the trade needs to happen before the draft, to allow the Chargers to properly plan their draft strategy. Additionally, they might want ot move on it early, to allow them to sign someone like Chris Brown.

Likely, AJ was putting off too many suitors with his rhetoric. Now he has softened it, so that a team might consider offering up a mid-to-early second, or a late second and another pick. Possibly even a trade of first round picks would be acceptable, especially with the defensive talent available. It would help to get an immediate starter.

Counter-balancing the draft pick consideration is the fact that the team should make the playoffs on momentum alone. The Chargers can't afford to be short-sighted.

A realistic scenario could play out where Green Bay swaps firsts with San Diego for Turner, then trades San Diego's first for Moss. Two starters for one pick, and Favre would have a shot to go all the way again.

 

[The Jacket]

As it friggin' should.

 

[kevinray]

In addition to the Titans and Bills, the Cowboys and Jets have reportedly shown interest in acquiring restricted free agent Michael Turner."Sources" tell the San Diego Union-Tribune that all four clubs are willing to part with their first-round picks, but the Bolts want a first- and third-rounder. This story seems a bit far fetched.Cant understand why the Jets and Cowboys would be interested i mean the Boys have Jones and Barber ( With Turner you dont need a goal line back he can do it all ) the Jets just got Thomas Jones .

If any of this is true (which I just can't believe it is) then the NFL owners like Turner far more then I ever imagined, and the Chargers are crazy. If they can get a first round pick for Turner, especially the Bills 12th, then they'd just be certifiable not to pull the trigger because they want a third as well.

 

[hutchins929]

I say that the chances a team trades a 1st round pick for Turner are 0%. It wont happen! If a team offers a 2nd rounder to the Chargers for him they should pounce because that would be a steal. 62.5 rushing yards per game!!! That is all a running back needs to avg. for a 1,000 yard season. You don't need to give up a 1st rounder to get production at Running Back.

 

[fsufan]

i was listening to NFL radio this morning, about 8:30 and one of host said from what he was hearing around the league Turner would be traded before the draft

just passing along what i heard

 

[Traders2001]

I just traded for Turner last week , i think i stole him i gave Vick - Jamal Lewis - Brandon Jones for Turner - Bulger and Davenport ( I have Parker ) . Dynasty league .

So i hope he gets traded to Green Bay ( Id prefer Atlanta ) but ill tale Green Bay especially if they also acquire Moss.

They would have a great offense .

Turner - Favre - Driver - Moss - Jennings -

Aniway we shall see.

 

[thayman]

I say that the chances a team trades a 1st round pick for Turner are 0%. It wont happen! If a team offers a 2nd rounder to the Chargers for him they should pounce because that would be a steal. 62.5 rushing yards per game!!! That is all a running back needs to avg. for a 1,000 yard season. You don't need to give up a 1st rounder to get production at Running Back.

I'm not a huge fan of any of the RBs in this class after Lynch and Peterson. If my team was in position where the addition of Turner > BPA to my team then I could justify it. It really depends on the talent for that particular draft class.

 

[wannabee]

Character issues aside (and I realize that is impossible in the real world) Pacman has the tool set to improve the D in Detroit and serve as a kick returner.

I think what you're still not getting is that Pacman is about to be suspended for a year. Zero tool set, just tool.

He is a tool going to the tool shed if he does not watch it ....