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Well if the Chargers think Turner is worth a first and a third, I'm not sure any other team would have the six first round picks needed to acquire LT2.Perhaps the best MT comment I've seen period!
I don't see that happening. I think SD is just trying to get as much from the other teams as possible. There are too many teams with the need for a RB. I think that SD would want to get something now for him instead of waiting another year for a 3rd round comp pick. Why would SD have made the move too early? They are smart holding off and getting what they can for him. I do think they will want this worked out before the draft starts. I think the trade goes down Thursday or Friday before the draft and will include a 1st round pick.After all this Turner is just going to stay put?
Smith's job is not in jeopardy. (And AJ didn't boot Marty. See this post from earlier in the thread.)
Very interesting post. The only control Smith has over where Turner ultimately ends is right now, this year. After the next two weeks pass, he has no control over where Turner goes. How high would Mr. Smith value this control he currently owns? Is it worth maybe taking a little less then what he would like just so he ensure Turner doesn't sign with say a Denver next year?
Maurile Tremblay said:
Or Oakland.grind said:
I didn't want to mention Oakland, as I have Lamont on my fantasy team and didn't want to bring up bad thoughts. Wonder if Smith is even considering this point/control in his ultimate decision.Or Oakland.grind said:
Fixed.massraider said:
Refresh my memory. Other than mentioning the picks it would take to move Turner (which is the same comment he has made since the tags were placed), what did A.J. say about the draft again?
Whatever do you mean? You're not suggesting that AJ might be inflating the numer of teams interested, are you?
Seriously. He's trying too hard here.Whatever do you mean? You're not suggesting that AJ might be inflating the numer of teams interested, are you?
I like the line about AJ mentioning how team love him because he can keep a scret.
AJ, you are totally my Best Friend Forever!! He acts like he's protecting actors that are in the closet.
Whether it's AJ or his fishwrap buddy, Nick Canepa, something smells here...especially when he trys to sell you with this:Seriously. He's trying too hard here.Whatever do you mean? You're not suggesting that AJ might be inflating the numer of teams interested, are you?
I like the line about AJ mentioning how team love him because he can keep a scret.
AJ, you are totally my Best Friend Forever!! He acts like he's protecting actors that are in the closet.
that was the writer thinking out loud there, imo.Whether it's AJ or his fishwrap buddy, Nick Canepa, something smells here...especially when he trys to sell you with this:Seriously. He's trying too hard here.
I like the line about AJ mentioning how team love him because he can keep a scret.
AJ, you are totally my Best Friend Forever!! He acts like he's protecting actors that are in the closet.
"Plus, unlike Oklahoma's Adrian Peterson and Cal's Marshawn Lynch, Turner, who just turned 25, is a known commodity. Over three seasons, he has carried the ball 157 times for 941 yards. Tampa Bay coach Jon Gruden calls Peterson the best running back prospect he's seen in many years, but I'm not sure he's better than Turner. Peterson runs upright and is not immune to injury. Turner is fresh."
I believe Turner will be good with whatever team he ends up with (this year or next), but this whole article is really pimping Turner hard.
Why in the world would AJ take a 2nd right now when he can keep Turner this year, and get a 3rd or a 4th rounder next year as compensation when Turner signs elsewhere?If the Chargers move Turner now, RB becomes by far the thinnest position on the team, and they will have to spend $, or draft pick(s), or both to bring in a couple of capable backups. Norv Turner's system is RB heavy, and this team is Super Bowl ready. It would be negligent to enter the season an LT turned ankle away from a non-playoff season. Turner's value to the 2007 Chargers is huge. AJ Smith realizes this and understandably isn't going to move Turner for peanuts.
Same pre-draft smokeblowing AJ was guilty of when he told everyone he was going to draft Eli Manning with the first pick in '04?
This has been my thinking the entire time. Why would SD give up perhaps the best backup RB in the league and lose their RB depth? The Chargers aren't interested in rebuilding, they're going for a Superbowl this year. Good luck to all those people that overpaid for him, you're dynasty teams will be hurting for another year.
Seriously, what value does a post like this add?
In redraft you can laugh if he is not traded. But if he is not traded, to laugh at drafting a player of Turner's caliber in dynasty knowing he is only one year away from being a solid starting RB is ludicrous. Should people have slept on L. Johnson too? Should people not draft AP early if he goes to a team where he may have to wait a year to get his shot? Dynasty is not all about the now.
I believe that I remember Mort saying this right after he hired Norv Turner, but it is only logical. While AJ may not have had the juice to fire him himself he did what every 3rd rate manager does and instead of dealing with issues they try to make the workplace so toxic that the person quits. Well he got what he wished for and Marty is gone. It's hard to think of any team coming off a 14-2 season with a GM's job in jeopardy, but if you get of rid of one of the most successful regular season coaches in the league and do everything to get him to quit (canned) only to hire a coach who has a lifetime record of 58-82 there has to be some kind of payoff or the ownership may have to rethink things."Firing" Marty, letting go Donnie Edwards to the Chiefs, and losing Wade Phillips may not come back to haunt them if they win, but would it be really be that surprising to see a new regime if they regress in the next two years? What would happen if they dealt Turner,lost LT to a season ending injury, and had a 6-10 record? I personally think there would be some heat.
Based on everything I've read, this is way off. But maybe you've read different stuff than I have.
Um, first of all, the Chargers would NOT get a 3rd or 4th round pick next year. They would get a 3rd or 4th round pick in 2009. And it would be at the bottom of the 3rd or 4th round. If Smith is really calculating the possible compensatory pick into his trade value then he's an idiot. He would have to assume that some team would pay Turner as a top 5 FA and that he's not going to sign any big name FAs himself to even get a 3rd round compensatory. Going by the draft value chart, the 12th pick in the 2nd round is 460 points. The first compensatory pick in the 3rd round would be 112 points. The first compensatory pick in the 4th round would be 43 points. So even if he got a 3rd rounder, it wouldn't be worth even a quarter of a fairly high 2nd round pick. The only reason not to trade Turner is because he is too valuable as a backup. And IMO, that doesn't fly for me. If LT gets hurt the team is still a completely different team, even with Turner. I don't think for a second that AJ Smith really believes that the Chargers could win a Super Bowl if LT got hurt. If Smith doesn't trade Turner and passes up a 2nd round pick, what he's really saying is that he's putting all of his eggs in the 2007 basket. If they don't win the Super Bowl in 2007 then he doesn't think that they can win it with this team.
IMO, if he's not taking everything into account then he's making a mistake.
It's very likely that Turner will sign a big contract and that the Chargers won't bring in any fancy free agents.
IMO, if Smith is going by the draft value chart, then he's making a mistake.
I very strongly believe that he believes this.
What he's saying if he doesn't trade Turner for a second, is that Turner in 2007 plus a fourth in 2009 is worth more than a second in 2007. And I'd agree with him unless it's a very high second.
I don't see it... both CLE and MIN have more pressing needs, in fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see MIN take Quinn if he falls to them. CLE has an RB, and won't draft one early in the draft.To the Bills, AD wont get passed Cleveland let alone MinnesotaTo the Chargers.
(and barring new info, a possible threadkiller)
