*** Official Michael Turner 2007 offseason thread *** (2 Viewers)

[zamboni]

1000th post

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[Warhogs]

1000 Posts.

Crazy for a backup RB but as a Turner owner I sure hope he gets traded.

Uh....1002. They just keep coming. LOL

 

[Alwazefun]

** Chargers GM A.J. Smith was on XX Sports Radio 1090 today. He was pretty candid about RB Michael "The Burner" Turner, a restricted free agent who's worked out for two teams -- Tennessee & Buffalo -- not to mention rumors that Green Bay & Philadelphia have also made contact. "Everyone just laid the cards on the table," Smith said. "It’s what I call 'the bluff situation' or it will just pass. That means, we know that it [Turner's tender compensation] is a one and a three, and that time has passed so no one ever gives that because it cripples your draft. I have said to the interested teams that we are flexible, meaning [any team's offer could split up picks] this year and next year." Smith also said recently he was willing to hold Turner and settle for a 2009 3rd-round compensatory pick after the 237-lb back walks in free agency next year. Smith is playing the game. Meanwhile, Draft Sharks has been monitoring this closely and we've had a fly on the wall in Nashville the whole time. Our source was even present during Turner's physical. We believe there's a good chance Turner becomes a Tennessee Titan during the draft Saturday afternoon.

Notice that we've heard very little from the Titans since his visit? To me, that probably means they have been working on a deal. Otherwise, they would have killed speculation like Buffalo did a week ago. That coupled with a draft that is weak on first round worthy talent and I'd bet chances are good Turner lands in Tennessee.

I think of all the places to go from a fantasy perspective Turner to the Titans should make Turner owners salivate the most.

As a Turner owner, for me it would go:1. Green Bay

2. Tenn

3. Buff

4. San Diego

Atlanta has to be in the mix , if not someone there dont do their homework .They have zero legit NFL RB , Dunn is finished and Norwood ( Well with is 145 pounds wet ) forget about him as far as featured back .

So they have to be looking at Turner.

Petrino probably has his eye on M. Bush, therefore not that intersted in M Turner

 

[The Ref]

** Chargers GM A.J. Smith was on XX Sports Radio 1090 today. He was pretty candid about RB Michael "The Burner" Turner, a restricted free agent who's worked out for two teams -- Tennessee & Buffalo -- not to mention rumors that Green Bay & Philadelphia have also made contact. "Everyone just laid the cards on the table," Smith said. "It’s what I call 'the bluff situation' or it will just pass. That means, we know that it [Turner's tender compensation] is a one and a three, and that time has passed so no one ever gives that because it cripples your draft. I have said to the interested teams that we are flexible, meaning [any team's offer could split up picks] this year and next year." Smith also said recently he was willing to hold Turner and settle for a 2009 3rd-round compensatory pick after the 237-lb back walks in free agency next year. Smith is playing the game. Meanwhile, Draft Sharks has been monitoring this closely and we've had a fly on the wall in Nashville the whole time. Our source was even present during Turner's physical. We believe there's a good chance Turner becomes a Tennessee Titan during the draft Saturday afternoon.

Notice that we've heard very little from the Titans since his visit? To me, that probably means they have been working on a deal. Otherwise, they would have killed speculation like Buffalo did a week ago. That coupled with a draft that is weak on first round worthy talent and I'd bet chances are good Turner lands in Tennessee.

I think of all the places to go from a fantasy perspective Turner to the Titans should make Turner owners salivate the most.

As a Turner owner, for me it would go:1. Green Bay

2. Tenn

3. Buff

4. San Diego

Atlanta has to be in the mix , if not someone there dont do their homework .They have zero legit NFL RB , Dunn is finished and Norwood ( Well with is 145 pounds wet ) forget about him as far as featured back .

So they have to be looking at Turner.

Petrino probably has his eye on M. Bush, therefore not that intersted in M Turner

There it is folks, congratulations to Alwazefun for Post #1000.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

** Chargers GM A.J. Smith was on XX Sports Radio 1090 today. He was pretty candid about RB Michael "The Burner" Turner, a restricted free agent who's worked out for two teams -- Tennessee & Buffalo -- not to mention rumors that Green Bay & Philadelphia have also made contact. "Everyone just laid the cards on the table," Smith said. "It’s what I call 'the bluff situation' or it will just pass. That means, we know that it [Turner's tender compensation] is a one and a three, and that time has passed so no one ever gives that because it cripples your draft. I have said to the interested teams that we are flexible, meaning [any team's offer could split up picks] this year and next year." Smith also said recently he was willing to hold Turner and settle for a 2009 3rd-round compensatory pick after the 237-lb back walks in free agency next year. Smith is playing the game. Meanwhile, Draft Sharks has been monitoring this closely and we've had a fly on the wall in Nashville the whole time. Our source was even present during Turner's physical. We believe there's a good chance Turner becomes a Tennessee Titan during the draft Saturday afternoon.

Notice that we've heard very little from the Titans since his visit? To me, that probably means they have been working on a deal. Otherwise, they would have killed speculation like Buffalo did a week ago. That coupled with a draft that is weak on first round worthy talent and I'd bet chances are good Turner lands in Tennessee.

I think of all the places to go from a fantasy perspective Turner to the Titans should make Turner owners salivate the most.

As a Turner owner, for me it would go:1. Green Bay

2. Tenn

3. Buff

4. San Diego

There is a more promising future in Tenn than GB IMO. Favre is probably done after this year and who knows if Rodgers is the future or not which leaves question marks with what will transpire with that offense.The Titans with Young have a franchise QB in place. Last year, they resurrected the career of an average RB. I really think Turner to the Titans is a nice play.

 

[Dope]

** Chargers GM A.J. Smith was on XX Sports Radio 1090 today. He was pretty candid about RB Michael "The Burner" Turner, a restricted free agent who's worked out for two teams -- Tennessee & Buffalo -- not to mention rumors that Green Bay & Philadelphia have also made contact. "Everyone just laid the cards on the table," Smith said. "It’s what I call 'the bluff situation' or it will just pass. That means, we know that it [Turner's tender compensation] is a one and a three, and that time has passed so no one ever gives that because it cripples your draft. I have said to the interested teams that we are flexible, meaning [any team's offer could split up picks] this year and next year." Smith also said recently he was willing to hold Turner and settle for a 2009 3rd-round compensatory pick after the 237-lb back walks in free agency next year. Smith is playing the game. Meanwhile, Draft Sharks has been monitoring this closely and we've had a fly on the wall in Nashville the whole time. Our source was even present during Turner's physical. We believe there's a good chance Turner becomes a Tennessee Titan during the draft Saturday afternoon.

Notice that we've heard very little from the Titans since his visit? To me, that probably means they have been working on a deal. Otherwise, they would have killed speculation like Buffalo did a week ago. That coupled with a draft that is weak on first round worthy talent and I'd bet chances are good Turner lands in Tennessee.

I think of all the places to go from a fantasy perspective Turner to the Titans should make Turner owners salivate the most.

As a Turner owner, for me it would go:1. Green Bay

2. Tenn

3. Buff

4. San Diego

There is a more promising future in Tenn than GB IMO. Favre is probably done after this year and who knows if Rodgers is the future or not which leaves question marks with what will transpire with that offense.The Titans with Young have a franchise QB in place. Last year, they resurrected the career of an average RB. I really think Turner to the Titans is a nice play.

Good points. For some reason I was focused on 2007, even though I own him in a dynasty. Revised:

1. Tenn

2. GB

3. Buff

4. SD

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Post #1000

:confetti:

 

[Despyzer]

1000th postETA:

Is this the FBG equivalent of a FIRST! post?

 

[Banger]

I think there's a good chance that Turner stays put at this point. AJ won't blink and is perfectly happy to have Turner as a backup and get a 3rd round comp pick when Turner is signed away. If the best offer is a mid 2nd rounder Turner will remain a Charger for another year.

If Pacman weren't suspended for the year it would have been likely that he would become a Titan (IMO) but I think his suspension has hamstrung them this year and they will be forced to fill in for him and won't be able to afford the picks.

 

[Buffalo0987]

I think there's a good chance that Turner stays put at this point. AJ won't blink and is perfectly happy to have Turner as a backup and get a 3rd round comp pick when Turner is signed away. If the best offer is a mid 2nd rounder Turner will remain a Charger for another year. If Pacman weren't suspended for the year it would have been likely that he would become a Titan (IMO) but I think his suspension has hamstrung them this year and they will be forced to fill in for him and won't be able to afford the picks.

heard the same thing about Schaub. Where are those people now? lol

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Is really logical for a team to make a trade for Turner after the draft starts, considering they would still have to sign him long-term? Seems like working out a trade AND a long-term deal to the satisfaction of Turner and his agent would be hard to do in the 15 minutes between picks.

He's visited two different teams, took a physical, etc.You think there's a chance they may have spoken to his agent about a deal?

I'm sure the deal has been spoken about, but just seems to me finalizing a 5-year/30 plus million deal may actually take more then 15 minutes, even if the topic has been spoken.

The deal has probably already been worked out. The Titans and Bills both had plenty of talks with Turner's agent weeks ago. If a trade goes down on draft day, the most likely scenario will be that a few days after the draft (not in 15 minutes) Turner will sign a long term contract reflecting the terms he agreed to in early-to-mid April.

 

[Banger]

Is really logical for a team to make a trade for Turner after the draft starts, considering they would still have to sign him long-term? Seems like working out a trade AND a long-term deal to the satisfaction of Turner and his agent would be hard to do in the 15 minutes between picks.

He's visited two different teams, took a physical, etc.You think there's a chance they may have spoken to his agent about a deal?

I'm sure the deal has been spoken about, but just seems to me finalizing a 5-year/30 plus million deal may actually take more then 15 minutes, even if the topic has been spoken.

The deal has probably already been worked out. The Titans and Bills both had plenty of talks with Turner's agent weeks ago. If a trade goes down on draft day, the most likely scenario will be that a few days after the draft (not in 15 minutes) Turner will sign a long term contract reflecting the terms he agreed to in early-to-mid April.

Maurile -what's your gut on what's gonna happen? I know you probably have read more on the situation than anyone on the board and are very familiar with AJ and his tendencies.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I think there's a good chance that Turner stays put at this point.

And wouldn't that make everybody who contributed to this thread feel stupid?

 

[matuski]

IBT 2000th post.

 

[grind]

Is really logical for a team to make a trade for Turner after the draft starts, considering they would still have to sign him long-term? Seems like working out a trade AND a long-term deal to the satisfaction of Turner and his agent would be hard to do in the 15 minutes between picks.

He's visited two different teams, took a physical, etc.You think there's a chance they may have spoken to his agent about a deal?

I'm sure the deal has been spoken about, but just seems to me finalizing a 5-year/30 plus million deal may actually take more then 15 minutes, even if the topic has been spoken.

The deal has probably already been worked out. The Titans and Bills both had plenty of talks with Turner's agent weeks ago. If a trade goes down on draft day, the most likely scenario will be that a few days after the draft (not in 15 minutes) Turner will sign a long term contract reflecting the terms he agreed to in early-to-mid April.

I agree that, if this is a draft day deal, this has most likely happened or will happen in the next three days. I just find it wierd that this contract talk hasn't been leaked to the media. I have read nothing where Turner has agreed in principal to any long term contract in the event a trade does happen.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Is really logical for a team to make a trade for Turner after the draft starts, considering they would still have to sign him long-term? Seems like working out a trade AND a long-term deal to the satisfaction of Turner and his agent would be hard to do in the 15 minutes between picks.

He's visited two different teams, took a physical, etc.You think there's a chance they may have spoken to his agent about a deal?

I'm sure the deal has been spoken about, but just seems to me finalizing a 5-year/30 plus million deal may actually take more then 15 minutes, even if the topic has been spoken.

The deal has probably already been worked out. The Titans and Bills both had plenty of talks with Turner's agent weeks ago. If a trade goes down on draft day, the most likely scenario will be that a few days after the draft (not in 15 minutes) Turner will sign a long term contract reflecting the terms he agreed to in early-to-mid April.

Maurile -what's your gut on what's gonna happen? I know you probably have read more on the situation than anyone on the board and are very familiar with AJ and his tendencies.

CHime in MT,Also I saw on the Chargers homer board that Oceanside is "unoffically" in the front running to get the new stadium site.

 

[D.O.M.]

There's only one thing that's certain after Saturday (regardless of what happens)...there will be about 200 guys on this thread saying "I told ya so"

 

[Harry Beanbag]

Also I saw on the Chargers homer board that Oceanside is "unoffically" in the front running to get the new stadium site.

[hijack]As a season ticket holder who lives in Orange County and has to drive 2 hours to get to Qualcomm Stadium I like to hear this. A one hour drive gives me an extra hour to tailgate plus doesn't kill my wallet for gas money too.[/hijack]Back to the Turner love and rumors.....

 

[Davej626]

** Chargers GM A.J. Smith was on XX Sports Radio 1090 today. He was pretty candid about RB Michael "The Burner" Turner, a restricted free agent who's worked out for two teams -- Tennessee & Buffalo -- not to mention rumors that Green Bay & Philadelphia have also made contact. "Everyone just laid the cards on the table," Smith said. "It’s what I call 'the bluff situation' or it will just pass. That means, we know that it [Turner's tender compensation] is a one and a three, and that time has passed so no one ever gives that because it cripples your draft. I have said to the interested teams that we are flexible, meaning [any team's offer could split up picks] this year and next year." Smith also said recently he was willing to hold Turner and settle for a 2009 3rd-round compensatory pick after the 237-lb back walks in free agency next year. Smith is playing the game. Meanwhile, Draft Sharks has been monitoring this closely and we've had a fly on the wall in Nashville the whole time. Our source was even present during Turner's physical. We believe there's a good chance Turner becomes a Tennessee Titan during the draft Saturday afternoon.

Anyone hear that Philly was also sniffing around? Of the four, Philly is the last place I would like him to go. We want him to be a RB1, not sharing the ball...

 

[RedZone]

Is anyone else really surprised to see Philly mentioned as a serious suitor? I had a long post (ok, several but one in regards to which of the teams might be one of the secret six mentioned by AJ - including Tenn and Buff of course) in which I posed Philly as a possible only if Buckhalter is questionable. I can't see Westbrook and Turner on the same team long term. Philly is floating Moats around which would leave them little depth at RB.

Given the role the RB plays in the passing game, if they offense would not change dramatically if Westbrook leaves or is injured, suggests that Turner must have decent pass protection skills and receiving skills. Granted, Buckhalter is the Bull but he is underutilized and I can't see paying the price to put MT back into a back up role. I can't imagine him agreeing to it either.

So, unless Philly is planning on having two feature backs, Buckhalter is limited and we haven't heard it, or Westbrook is falling from grace (anybody know his contract status?), I just don't see this.

OK, I checked, Westbrook signed a five year extension back in 2005 for $24.9 million. Maybe the Philly inquiry is just a leverage move to get their $3,000,000 back that they overpaid. Maybe the fact that they filed a greivance since they are not getting paid back in a timely manner spells intrigue and dissent? Would the $3 million be grounds for trading? It counts against their cap if I read an earlier article correctly.

This really deserves a closer look. Here is an article that suggests Westbrook has raised the issue of retiring.

Westbrook mentions retiring!?!

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Is really logical for a team to make a trade for Turner after the draft starts, considering they would still have to sign him long-term? Seems like working out a trade AND a long-term deal to the satisfaction of Turner and his agent would be hard to do in the 15 minutes between picks.

He's visited two different teams, took a physical, etc.You think there's a chance they may have spoken to his agent about a deal?

I'm sure the deal has been spoken about, but just seems to me finalizing a 5-year/30 plus million deal may actually take more then 15 minutes, even if the topic has been spoken.

The deal has probably already been worked out. The Titans and Bills both had plenty of talks with Turner's agent weeks ago. If a trade goes down on draft day, the most likely scenario will be that a few days after the draft (not in 15 minutes) Turner will sign a long term contract reflecting the terms he agreed to in early-to-mid April.

Maurile -what's your gut on what's gonna happen? I know you probably have read more on the situation than anyone on the board and are very familiar with AJ and his tendencies.

It really doesn't come down to what AJ will do. It comes down to what the Titans, Bills, et al. will do.AJ will stick to his plan. He'll hold out for a number one pick, this year or next year, and if he doesn't get it, he'll keep Turner for a year.Whether the Bills or Titans or someone else will pay that price is what will determine whether a deal gets done, and I have no special insight into that.

 

[Despyzer]

I think there's a good chance that Turner stays put at this point. AJ won't blink and is perfectly happy to have Turner as a backup and get a 3rd round comp pick when Turner is signed away. If the best offer is a mid 2nd rounder Turner will remain a Charger for another year.

heard the same thing about Schaub. Where are those people now? lol

I think Schaub was traded for more than a mid-2nd.

 

[JayMan]

It really doesn't come down to what AJ will do. It comes down to what the Titans, Bills, et al. will do.AJ will stick to his plan. He'll hold out for a number one pick, this year or next year, and if he doesn't get it, he'll keep Turner for a year.Whether the Bills or Titans or someone else will pay that price is what will determine whether a deal gets done, and I have no special insight into that.

... and this is why it's going to happen on draft day... the Bills, Packers and/or Titans (or Eagles?) will see who's gone when it's their time to speak in the first round... not before... for example, if Willis is there, the Bills surely won't deal for Turner...

 

[kevinray]

I think there's a good chance that Turner stays put at this point.

And wouldn't that make everybody who contributed to this thread feel stupid?

I'd feel just fine, half the thread has been about dissecting whether he'll be a good pro starter or not and that discussion can continue to take place for another year if he doesn't go. He has been a ray of light in an otherwise pretty slow off-season.

 

[Despyzer]

I think there's a good chance that Turner stays put at this point.

And wouldn't that make everybody who contributed to this thread feel stupid?

I'd feel just fine, half the thread has been about dissecting whether he'll be a good pro starter or not and that discussion can continue to take place for another year if he doesn't go. He has been a ray of light in an otherwise pretty slow off-season.

I wouldn't feel stupid either. Actually, it would lend some credence to all of us Chargers-faithful who have claimed that A.J. is willing to stick to his guns and not desperately trade him away for whatever hill-of-beans is being offered for him.

 

[Banger]

I think there's a good chance that Turner stays put at this point.

And wouldn't that make everybody who contributed to this thread feel stupid?

It wouldn't make me feel stupid. I've found the entire episode entertaining from predicting the RFA tag level, to potential suitors, etc. At the end of the day he's still a talented RB, it just means that he'll have to wait one more year until he becomes a starter.

 

[The Ref]

Where is Michael Turner in all of this? If I am Turner and I have to opertunity to cash in and get a gig this year I am talking to anyone who will listen.

I do not recall hearing Turner say much of anything yet? Am I wrong?

If he has not said anything publicaly yet, what does that say?

 

[zamboni]

If he has not said anything publicaly yet, what does that say?

It says that he doesn't make the decision to be traded, but rather AJ Smith. I'm sure Turner and Bus would rather get their money now rather than risk Turner's value dropping, but it's not exactly the player's/agent's decision.

 

[BoltBacker]

I do not recall hearing Turner say much of anything yet? Am I wrong?If he has not said anything publicaly yet, what does that say?

That he's mature enough to realize he really has no say in where he'll play this season? He's got a huge payday coming from somebody and is smart not to alienate anyone at this point when it really wouldn't pay any dividends to do so. The more suitors for your services the more $ he can command. Even if there's a team he really doesn't want to play for it's in his own best interest to keep that to himself at this point from a future contract perspective.

 

[RavensUNFL]

For the guy bad mouthing Jerious

"Atlanta has to be in the mix , if not someone there dont do their homework . <--- huh?

They have zero legit NFL RB , Dunn is finished and Norwood ( Well with is 145 pounds wet ) forget about him as far as featured back . So they have to be looking at Turner."

He probably won't get a fair shot at being the starting RB, but that is only because most head (Petrino in this instance) coaches ego's are so big they can't see the talent infornt of them because "they didn't draft it".

Jerious Norwood:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwbA4c2vdvg...ted&search=

Pay close attention to him run over Hanson of Philly at around the 1:13 mark.

The juke on the Clark Haggans 53 Pitts and even more vicious, the juke on Vernon Fox 39 Redskins

Sorry Michael for the jump into your personal message board.

 

[gheemony]

For the guy bad mouthing Jerious

"Atlanta has to be in the mix , if not someone there dont do their homework . <--- huh?

They have zero legit NFL RB , Dunn is finished and Norwood ( Well with is 145 pounds wet ) forget about him as far as featured back . So they have to be looking at Turner."

He probably won't get a fair shot at being the starting RB, but that is only because most head (Petrino in this instance) coaches ego's are so big they can't see the talent infornt of them because "they didn't draft it".

Jerious Norwood:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwbA4c2vdvg...ted&search=

Pay close attention to him run over Hanson of Philly at around the 1:13 mark.

The juke on the Clark Haggans 53 Pitts and even more vicious, the juke on Vernon Fox 39 Redskins

Sorry Michael for the jump into your personal message board.

Wow! That dude is good! He looks almost as good as that guy in SD ... that guy backing up LT ... Burner something ... someone, please, help me with his name. But don't be fooled by the highlights. I hear that if you throw out all of his runs of over 20 yards, his YPC is not very good. And I think there is a very little sample size to judge him from. There is no evidence that he can shoulder the load of a feature back. And if he were really that good, wouldn't you think that the Atlanta coaches would have found a way to use him more? Maybe they don't because he can't pass block. And if he were really that good, wouldn't he have gone higher in the NFL draft?

[see, I did learn something from this thread]

 

[RD1967]

1000th postETA:

<--------Thats you Zamboni for being such a whootie on the whole Turner Discussion

 

[RD1967]

For the guy bad mouthing Jerious

"Atlanta has to be in the mix , if not someone there dont do their homework . <--- huh?

They have zero legit NFL RB , Dunn is finished and Norwood ( Well with is 145 pounds wet ) forget about him as far as featured back . So they have to be looking at Turner."

He probably won't get a fair shot at being the starting RB, but that is only because most head (Petrino in this instance) coaches ego's are so big they can't see the talent infornt of them because "they didn't draft it".

Jerious Norwood:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwbA4c2vdvg...ted&search=

Pay close attention to him run over Hanson of Philly at around the 1:13 mark.

The juke on the Clark Haggans 53 Pitts and even more vicious, the juke on Vernon Fox 39 Redskins

Sorry Michael for the jump into your personal message board.

Wow! That dude is good! He looks almost as good as that guy in SD ... that guy backing up LT ... Burner something ... someone, please, help me with his name. But don't be fooled by the highlights. I hear that if you throw out all of his runs of over 20 yards, his YPC is not very good. And I think there is a very little sample size to judge him from. There is no evidence that he can shoulder the load of a feature back. And if he were really that good, wouldn't you think that the Atlanta coaches would have found a way to use him more? Maybe they don't because he can't pass block. And if he were really that good, wouldn't he have gone higher in the NFL draft?

[see, I did learn something from this thread]

I think some one might be being a Wise ###

 

[kylechoffman]

Shark Move of the week - if Turner doesnt move on draft day 1 or 2, acquire him immediately and send the other owner something of need.

 

[zamboni]

1000th postETA:

<--------Thats you Zamboni for being such a whootie on the whole Turner Discussion

I have no clue what a whootie is, but thanks.

 

[toxicbees]

All this talk of Larry Johnson on the trading block has to put a damper on MT's value. Kansas City is not even asking for a first round for LJ.

 

[BoltBacker]

All this talk of Larry Johnson on the trading block has to put a damper on MT's value. Kansas City is not even asking for a first round for LJ.

What's this based on? I'm just curiuos because they have reportedly been asking for a second rounder for Trent Green. According to you they're not asking for a first rounder for Larry Johnson. So in Carl Peterson's world Trent Green = Larry Johnson in trade value?????? I've never been a big fan of Carl Peterson but WOW.

 

[Despyzer]

All this talk of Larry Johnson on the trading block has to put a damper on MT's value. Kansas City is not even asking for a first round for LJ.

What's this based on?

Good question. Link?

 

[chris1969]

NFL Total Access reported that the Browns talked to the Chiefs about acquiring Johnson. Likely for their #1 and their #2 in this years draft.

 

[yellowdog]

It is looking like at least a 70% chance that San Diego will not have Michael Turner when the 2007 season begins. While there is some thought that the Titans are the team most interested in Turner, I think the Bills will be the ones who end up with Turner if they are unable to make a move on Adrian Peterson by trading up. Buffalo might get a deal done during the draft that would send at least their second rounder this year (#43) along with an additional pick to the Chargers for Turner.

link

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

NFL Total Access reported that the Browns talked to the Chiefs about acquiring Johnson. Likely for their #1 and their #2 in this years draft.

now this makes no sense. Why not just take APeterson? and keep you #2 plus you have Jamal.

 

[Davej626]

All this talk of Larry Johnson on the trading block has to put a damper on MT's value. Kansas City is not even asking for a first round for LJ.

Well, in truth, KC really can't. LJ is in the last year of his contract and is looking for a LT sized deal. But the thing is that the salary cap has grown 36% since LT signed his 60 million dollar deal. So everyone knows that LJ, going into camp this year, will want a deal that is 60million +36%, or more. That is why KC is shopping him. They don't want to spend that kind of cash on one player. If they don't get a first rounder for him, they may have to though. And every other team out there knows that LJ wants this deal. Do you think CLE wants to spend that money on him? Or will they take Peterson, and his rookie, slotted, contract and still keep their second round pick? Same with the other teams. I don't see LJ being traded simply because of the contract they (his new team) would have to sign him before a holdout happens at camp.How does this effect MT? MT is not going to be expecting that big of a contract. So it comes down to how much money does the team want to spend?

 

[Yitbos69]

It is looking like at least a 70% chance that San Diego will not have Michael Turner when the 2007 season begins. While there is some thought that the Titans are the team most interested in Turner, I think the Bills will be the ones who end up with Turner if they are unable to make a move on Adrian Peterson by trading up. Buffalo might get a deal done during the draft that would send at least their second rounder this year (#43) along with an additional pick to the Chargers for Turner.

link

Where is the 70% number coming from. Is it just arbitrary or is there some math behind it(if so whats the formula)? Based on everything I have read AJ will not deal MT for less than a 1st this year or next!I would say it's more like 70% that he says in SD!!

I am a Turner owner and I really hope he gets traded before the 2007 season but I don't think it looks real good at this point. I hope I am wrong!!

 

[Colin Dowling]

I saw a blurb on CBSSportsline yesterday where Levy said the Bills were out of the Turner race, but now I can't find the link. I didn't click on the story, just saw the headline so maybe someone else read it.

 

[D.O.M.]

I saw a blurb on CBSSportsline yesterday where Levy said the Bills were out of the Turner race, but now I can't find the link. I didn't click on the story, just saw the headline so maybe someone else read it.

I think that's really old news....

 

[yellowdog]

I saw a blurb on CBSSportsline yesterday where Levy said the Bills were out of the Turner race, but now I can't find the link. I didn't click on the story, just saw the headline so maybe someone else read it.

The North County Times reports that Bills GM Marv Levy told reporters Wednesday that his club was out of the running for Chargers RB Michael Turner, a restricted free agent with the highest possible tender offer. "There are so many complexities to the deal that if it's done, I've got to tell you it'd be a surprise," Levy said. Turner had a more extensive visit with the Titans earlier this offseason, but Turner's agent said this week that no trade was imminent. (Updated 04/19/2007).

found on his player page.

:X at the fantasty outlook from same page. "If Turner moves on from San Diego, he'll end up starting somewhere and be worth a pick between Rounds 4 and 5."

Good luck getting him there.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

As a Bills fan, I would not like to give up a 1st for him, so if that is the only deal that AJ will accept, I'm glad we're out of the running.

 

[RedZone]

There is a lot of noise about the outrageous first and third tender on MT. I put aside the two day 1 picks mentality and thought to myself (and the collective crowd following this thread), what is the real value of the picks, relative to the RB pool?

In other words, are the four noted teams being asked to give inordinate value for MT? More than AD would cost to acquire based on current mocks? More than Lynch?

If AD goes to Cleveland with the third pick (highest he is slotted from what I have seen, with the exception of a trade by Tampa to Detroit's pick), that is 2200 points using the draft value chart draft value chart. Tampa would be trading for 2600 points value wise, but I don't know how accurate that rumor is, so let's put AD's max value at 2200 and his minimum at Minnesota's pick at #7 = 1500 points.

Assume that AD is slightly more valuable than MT for the sake of argument and MT should not command more than 1500 points, going with AD's minimum projected draft value.

What would SD's tender of a first and third cost the teams?

Team...................Rd 1 pick..................Round 3 pick(s)...............Value(trade up)

Buffalo.................12(1200)..................10 (220), 29 (128)...........1420(8r1), 1328(9r1)

Green Bay............16(1000)..................14(200)..........................1200(1

r1)

Tennessee............19(875)....................17(185).........................

1060(15r1)

Philadelphia..........26(700)....................27(136)........................

..836(20r1)

Tampa(?)..............4(1800).....................4(250)..........................2050(

r1) [1070 2 2nds + 3rd](14r1)

Atlanta(?)..............8(1400)...................11(215)..........................1615(6

1) [1185 2 2nd + 3rd](12r1)

New England(?)....24(740), 28(660)........28(132)..........................872(19r1), 792(21r1)

Indianapolis(?).....32(590).....................32(116), 35(104)............706(25r1), 694(26r1)

For Indianapolis and New England, assuming they could make it work cap-wise, this would be extreme value and both have RBs that were used in RBBC last year and Mauroney is banged up.

Only two picks have a value over 1500 and both teams have the option of packaging two seconds and a third to bring down to comparable levels.

If you were Tennessee, would you trade your first and third to get ahead of GB to grab Lynch, assuming Buffalo does not take him or would you grab MT?

Could Minnesota swap firsts with SD and give third? 1050 draft value. Get a stud RB since many project them grabbing AD if available and still have a late first.

If you are New England, do you give up your lower first round pick and your third to have a great back to pair up with the previously injured Mauroney who may not be a workhorse back? Getting one great player for two picks reminds me of the saying "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."

I can't wait for Saturday.

If MT is of greater value than all RB other AD, then he is worth the tender and if he can be grabbed for less, then he would appear to be a steal considering the level of talent in this year's RB pool.

 

[GroveDiesel]

There is a lot of noise about the outrageous first and third tender on MT. I put aside the two day 1 picks mentality and thought to myself (and the collective crowd following this thread), what is the real value of the picks, relative to the RB pool?

In other words, are the four noted teams being asked to give inordinate value for MT? More than AD would cost to acquire based on current mocks? More than Lynch?

If AD goes to Cleveland with the third pick (highest he is slotted from what I have seen, with the exception of a trade by Tampa to Detroit's pick), that is 2200 points using the draft value chart draft value chart. Tampa would be trading for 2600 points value wise, but I don't know how accurate that rumor is, so let's put AD's max value at 2200 and his minimum at Minnesota's pick at #7 = 1500 points.

Assume that AD is slightly more valuable than MT for the sake of argument and MT should not command more than 1500 points, going with AD's minimum projected draft value.

What would SD's tender of a first and third cost the teams?

Team...................Rd 1 pick..................Round 3 pick(s)...............Value(trade up)

Buffalo.................12(1200)..................10 (220), 29 (128)...........1420(8r1), 1328(9r1)

Green Bay............16(1000)..................14(200)..........................1200(1

r1)

Tennessee............19(875)....................17(185).........................

1060(15r1)

Philadelphia..........26(700)....................27(136)........................

..836(20r1)

Tampa(?)..............4(1800).....................4(250)..........................2050(

r1) [1070 2 2nds + 3rd](14r1)

Atlanta(?)..............8(1400)...................11(215)..........................1615(6

1) [1185 2 2nd + 3rd](12r1)

New England(?)....24(740), 28(660)........28(132)..........................872(19r1), 792(21r1)

Indianapolis(?).....32(590).....................32(116), 35(104)............706(25r1), 694(26r1)

For Indianapolis and New England, assuming they could make it work cap-wise, this would be extreme value and both have RBs that were used in RBBC last year and Mauroney is banged up.

Only two picks have a value over 1500 and both teams have the option of packaging two seconds and a third to bring down to comparable levels.

If you were Tennessee, would you trade your first and third to get ahead of GB to grab Lynch, assuming Buffalo does not take him or would you grab MT?

Could Minnesota swap firsts with SD and give third? 1050 draft value. Get a stud RB since many project them grabbing AD if available and still have a late first.

If you are New England, do you give up your lower first round pick and your third to have a great back to pair up with the previously injured Mauroney who may not be a workhorse back? Getting one great player for two picks reminds me of the saying "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."

I can't wait for Saturday.

If MT is of greater value than all RB other AD, then he is worth the tender and if he can be grabbed for less, then he would appear to be a steal considering the level of talent in this year's RB pool.

You have to remember that we're still comparing apples to oranges here though too. While Turner has shown some ability to perform in the NFL, he still hasn't shown that he can be a #1 guy for an entire season. He's also not 21 or 22 years old and won't be signed for $12M over 5 years either (what Ngata got at #12 last year). Draft picks are NOT the only consideration here. The salary cap implications are a huge deal as well. Unless you're talking about a team taking Peterson in the top 5 or 6 picks, you're looking at a difference of $15M-$20M over the life of the contract at LEAST. If it's dropped down to 2 2nd round picks and a 3rd, you're probably looking at more like a $25M-$30M difference in contracts. So by trading for Turner, you're not just trading picks, you're trading salary cap space as well.

 

[kevinray]

There is a lot of noise about the outrageous first and third tender on MT. I put aside the two day 1 picks mentality and thought to myself (and the collective crowd following this thread), what is the real value of the picks, relative to the RB pool?

In other words, are the four noted teams being asked to give inordinate value for MT? More than AD would cost to acquire based on current mocks? More than Lynch?

If AD goes to Cleveland with the third pick (highest he is slotted from what I have seen, with the exception of a trade by Tampa to Detroit's pick), that is 2200 points using the draft value chart draft value chart. Tampa would be trading for 2600 points value wise, but I don't know how accurate that rumor is, so let's put AD's max value at 2200 and his minimum at Minnesota's pick at #7 = 1500 points.

Assume that AD is slightly more valuable than MT for the sake of argument and MT should not command more than 1500 points, going with AD's minimum projected draft value.

What would SD's tender of a first and third cost the teams?

Team...................Rd 1 pick..................Round 3 pick(s)...............Value(trade up)

Buffalo.................12(1200)..................10 (220), 29 (128)...........1420(8r1), 1328(9r1)

Green Bay............16(1000)..................14(200)..........................1200(1

r1)

Tennessee............19(875)....................17(185).........................

1060(15r1)

Philadelphia..........26(700)....................27(136)........................

..836(20r1)

Tampa(?)..............4(1800).....................4(250)..........................2050(

r1) [1070 2 2nds + 3rd](14r1)

Atlanta(?)..............8(1400)...................11(215)..........................1615(6

1) [1185 2 2nd + 3rd](12r1)

New England(?)....24(740), 28(660)........28(132)..........................872(19r1), 792(21r1)

Indianapolis(?).....32(590).....................32(116), 35(104)............706(25r1), 694(26r1)

For Indianapolis and New England, assuming they could make it work cap-wise, this would be extreme value and both have RBs that were used in RBBC last year and Mauroney is banged up.

Only two picks have a value over 1500 and both teams have the option of packaging two seconds and a third to bring down to comparable levels.

If you were Tennessee, would you trade your first and third to get ahead of GB to grab Lynch, assuming Buffalo does not take him or would you grab MT?

Could Minnesota swap firsts with SD and give third? 1050 draft value. Get a stud RB since many project them grabbing AD if available and still have a late first.

If you are New England, do you give up your lower first round pick and your third to have a great back to pair up with the previously injured Mauroney who may not be a workhorse back? Getting one great player for two picks reminds me of the saying "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."

I can't wait for Saturday.

If MT is of greater value than all RB other AD, then he is worth the tender and if he can be grabbed for less, then he would appear to be a steal considering the level of talent in this year's RB pool.

You have to remember that we're still comparing apples to oranges here though too. While Turner has shown some ability to perform in the NFL, he still hasn't shown that he can be a #1 guy for an entire season. He's also not 21 or 22 years old and won't be signed for $12M over 5 years either (what Ngata got at #12 last year). Draft picks are NOT the only consideration here. The salary cap implications are a huge deal as well. Unless you're talking about a team taking Peterson in the top 5 or 6 picks, you're looking at a difference of $15M-$20M over the life of the contract at LEAST. If it's dropped down to 2 2nd round picks and a 3rd, you're probably looking at more like a $25M-$30M difference in contracts. So by trading for Turner, you're not just trading picks, you're trading salary cap space as well.

And for the Titans situation especially they have to think about the fact that they could just wait a year, sign Dillon or Brown back and see how White progresses in his second year and then maybe go after Turner next off-season for free. You then enter a bidding war potentially but with 2-4 teams already interested its not like they aren't already, and you can keep you draft picks and stock up talent for next year when Vince isn't on the cover of Madden and Pac-man isn't still banned from the league.