*** Official Michael Turner 2007 offseason thread *** (1 Viewer)

[Traders2001]

Not yet there is still 4months before the start of the season.

 

[Limp Dogg Bizkits]

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I would love to have you over in my League.

I never get tired of this line.

so true, every rookie that comes in here that faces a challenge to their posts"I would love to have you in my league""You wouldn't last in my league"Like I give a flying f**k about his league, the one of 5,000,000 leagues out there.`I think it's safe to say Turner to whoever is over for this year, but there is always the trade deadline.

You're really quite an excitable fellow.

 

[D.O.M.]

ok...so Turner won't get traded, but there are more important things...

can we get this thread to 2000 posts?

 

[yellowdog]

Turner remains

The Chargers had no discussions with any other teams regarding backup running back Michael Turner yesterday, but Smith did not rule out the possibility of a trade.

“This thing could linger until I say we're not trading him,” Smith said. “And I'm not making that statement right now.”

Smith has turned down the offer of a 2008 first-round pick from at least two teams. While Buffalo, Green Bay and Tennessee drafted running backs, it is possible in the coming weeks that some other team could increase its offer.

Said Smith: “There's still interest.”

The next thing to watch for is if Turner attends this weekend's mandatory minicamp. He has not attended voluntary workouts the past five weeks. He would face a fine if he does not show up this weekend.

bumplink

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Turner remains

The Chargers had no discussions with any other teams regarding backup running back Michael Turner yesterday, but Smith did not rule out the possibility of a trade.

“This thing could linger until I say we're not trading him,” Smith said. “And I'm not making that statement right now.”

Smith has turned down the offer of a 2008 first-round pick from at least two teams. While Buffalo, Green Bay and Tennessee drafted running backs, it is possible in the coming weeks that some other team could increase its offer.

Said Smith: “There's still interest.”

The next thing to watch for is if Turner attends this weekend's mandatory minicamp. He has not attended voluntary workouts the past five weeks. He would face a fine if he does not show up this weekend.

bumplink

I imagine he's probably not too happy right now, probably feels like AJ cost him cash and a starting gig. Looks like he probably wont get dealt

 

[grind]

Turner remains

The Chargers had no discussions with any other teams regarding backup running back Michael Turner yesterday, but Smith did not rule out the possibility of a trade.

“This thing could linger until I say we're not trading him,” Smith said. “And I'm not making that statement right now.”

Smith has turned down the offer of a 2008 first-round pick from at least two teams. While Buffalo, Green Bay and Tennessee drafted running backs, it is possible in the coming weeks that some other team could increase its offer.

Said Smith: “There's still interest.”

The next thing to watch for is if Turner attends this weekend's mandatory minicamp. He has not attended voluntary workouts the past five weeks. He would face a fine if he does not show up this weekend.

bumplink

What is wrong with the following two statements?1. This thing could linger until I say we're not trading him,” Smith said.

2. Smith has turned down the offer of a 2008 first-round pick from at least two teams. =

ANSWER: By turning down a 1st round pick for their backup RB, Smith has already said "we're not trading him".

 

[fsufan]

Turner remains

The Chargers had no discussions with any other teams regarding backup running back Michael Turner yesterday, but Smith did not rule out the possibility of a trade.

“This thing could linger until I say we're not trading him,” Smith said. “And I'm not making that statement right now.”

Smith has turned down the offer of a 2008 first-round pick from at least two teams. While Buffalo, Green Bay and Tennessee drafted running backs, it is possible in the coming weeks that some other team could increase its offer.

Said Smith: “There's still interest.”

The next thing to watch for is if Turner attends this weekend's mandatory minicamp. He has not attended voluntary workouts the past five weeks. He would face a fine if he does not show up this weekend.

bumplink

I imagine he's probably not too happy right now, probably feels like AJ cost him cash and a starting gig. Looks like he probably wont get dealt

I do not think it is a good idea to turn down a first round pick for a RB who backs up the best RB in the NFL. AJ is going to get nothing for Turner

 

[Banger]

Turner remains

The Chargers had no discussions with any other teams regarding backup running back Michael Turner yesterday, but Smith did not rule out the possibility of a trade.

“This thing could linger until I say we're not trading him,” Smith said. “And I'm not making that statement right now.”

Smith has turned down the offer of a 2008 first-round pick from at least two teams. While Buffalo, Green Bay and Tennessee drafted running backs, it is possible in the coming weeks that some other team could increase its offer.

Said Smith: “There's still interest.”

The next thing to watch for is if Turner attends this weekend's mandatory minicamp. He has not attended voluntary workouts the past five weeks. He would face a fine if he does not show up this weekend.

bumplink

What is wrong with the following two statements?1. This thing could linger until I say we're not trading him,” Smith said.

2. Smith has turned down the offer of a 2008 first-round pick from at least two teams. =

ANSWER: By turning down a 1st round pick for their backup RB, Smith has already said "we're not trading him".

I agree that the chances are slim that he'll be dealt. I was pretty certain a 2nd rounder wouldn't do it but thought a 1st next year would. AJ obviously values him highly and wasn't going to let pending free agency force his hand (which is consistent with what he's said all along). The only way I see him getting dealt now is if someones primary back gets injured in training camp.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I presume the Chargers think they are a contender (they are) right now and that losing LT and replacing him w/ Turner would not be a trainwreck dropoff. THat's a big gamble to make if the guy ends up walking next year.

 

[wadegarrett]

Here's hoping Turner walks after this year and the Browns sign him. Don't have a No. 1 pick to throw money at. Might as well spend it on what will be a huge need next year.

 

[D.O.M.]

As much as AJ doesn't want to lose Turner to free agency next year, he can't take a chance on not having him this year. If LT was injured and Turner was gone, SD fans would have his head. (especially if Turner was doing well with whatever team acquired him)

 

[enfuego]

Turner remains

The Chargers had no discussions with any other teams regarding backup running back Michael Turner yesterday, but Smith did not rule out the possibility of a trade.

"This thing could linger until I say we're not trading him," Smith said. "And I'm not making that statement right now."

Smith has turned down the offer of a 2008 first-round pick from at least two teams. While Buffalo, Green Bay and Tennessee drafted running backs, it is possible in the coming weeks that some other team could increase its offer.

Said Smith: "There's still interest."

The next thing to watch for is if Turner attends this weekend's mandatory minicamp. He has not attended voluntary workouts the past five weeks. He would face a fine if he does not show up this weekend.

bumplink

What is wrong with the following two statements?1. This thing could linger until I say we're not trading him," Smith said.

2. Smith has turned down the offer of a 2008 first-round pick from at least two teams. =

ANSWER: By turning down a 1st round pick for their backup RB, Smith has already said "we're not trading him".

I agree that the chances are slim that he'll be dealt. I was pretty certain a 2nd rounder wouldn't do it but thought a 1st next year would. AJ obviously values him highly and wasn't going to let pending free agency force his hand (which is consistent with what he's said all along). The only way I see him getting dealt now is if someones primary back gets injured in training camp.

I am not sure AJ knows what AJ wants...first the 1st & 3rd, then "I am flexible", then not one, not two, but 3 different teams make runs at Turner (he says 6 were interested). You know that at least one made a very fair offer. I would not doubt if AJ is manic.

...Either that or this situation is the equivalent of a high stakes Deal or No Deal where AJ has just been offered big money for his case and he says "no deal!" He very well could walk away with next to nothing in the end...

 

[fruity pebbles]

Also what's not mentioned a lot is that Turner is San Diego's kick returner and a good one at that. Not only would they be losing their backup runningback but their kick returner as well.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

What teams offered a first round pick in the 2008 draft for Turner???

D. Jackson and R. Moss go for 4th round draft picks and are both starting Wr's and pretty descent ones at that and Turner a back up RB is not moved for a first.

Turner must really really be valued if you don't bite on a first round pick knowing you will get much less in a years time.

It is a gamble that only is good if there is an injury to one of the most durable backs to play the game. I don't know if it is worth that gamble. Plus SD will be paying a back up RB 2.5 million dollars. That is a steep price.

So is Turner bitter by the move and does anyone see a possible hold out even though he has no leverage???

 

[Banger]

Turner remains

The Chargers had no discussions with any other teams regarding backup running back Michael Turner yesterday, but Smith did not rule out the possibility of a trade.

"This thing could linger until I say we're not trading him," Smith said. "And I'm not making that statement right now."

Smith has turned down the offer of a 2008 first-round pick from at least two teams. While Buffalo, Green Bay and Tennessee drafted running backs, it is possible in the coming weeks that some other team could increase its offer.

Said Smith: "There's still interest."

The next thing to watch for is if Turner attends this weekend's mandatory minicamp. He has not attended voluntary workouts the past five weeks. He would face a fine if he does not show up this weekend.

bumplink

What is wrong with the following two statements?1. This thing could linger until I say we're not trading him," Smith said.

2. Smith has turned down the offer of a 2008 first-round pick from at least two teams. =

ANSWER: By turning down a 1st round pick for their backup RB, Smith has already said "we're not trading him".

I agree that the chances are slim that he'll be dealt. I was pretty certain a 2nd rounder wouldn't do it but thought a 1st next year would. AJ obviously values him highly and wasn't going to let pending free agency force his hand (which is consistent with what he's said all along). The only way I see him getting dealt now is if someones primary back gets injured in training camp.

I am not sure AJ knows what AJ wants...first the 1st & 3rd, then "I am flexible", then not one, not two, but 3 different teams make runs at Turner (he says 6 were interested). You know that at least one made a very fair offer. I would not doubt if AJ is manic.

...Either that or this situation is the equivalent of a high stakes Deal or No Deal where AJ has just been offered big money for his case and he says "no deal!" He very well could walk away with next to nothing in the end...

Everyone keeps saying that they will get nothing which is totally incorrect. They will get Turner's services for another year and this obviously has huge value to AJ and the Chargers. He has the ability to be incredibly productive while giving LT a breather/change of pace (Ravens game), he's an insurance (in the event of an LT injury) he's their best kick returner and he will land them a 3rd round comp pick if/when he's signed in free agency. As fantasy owners it may seem stupid not to deal him but it's AJ's job to put the best possible team on the field and he obviously values Turner very highly. The Chargers have few holes on their roster and they weren't in NEED of a 1st round pick next year considering the talent on the roster and that most are signed for many years into the future.

 

[-OZ-]

Also what's not mentioned a lot is that Turner is San Diego's kick returner and a good one at that. Not only would they be losing their backup runningback but their kick returner as well.

If Darren Sproles is healthy, he'd be a fine KR/PR. If not, there's got to be someone else who can do it.What I don't get is why Turner couldn't be dealt for a player. Forget the 08 1st, those things are gold and not going to help the Chargers this year, that just seems a stupid trade for either party.

 

[Warhogs]

AJ Smith was saying on Colin's show that they are pulling Turner of the market. So, do we start a new thread for 2008 or just update the title on this thread?

 

[grind]

AJ Smith was saying on Colin's show that they are pulling Turner of the market. So, do we start a new thread for 2008 or just update the title on this thread?

If he wasn't willing to take a 1st round pick for him, Turner was never realistically on the market to begin with. In AJ's world, every single player in the NFL is on the market. I mean, if someone offered the Lions a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th for Jason Hanson, I'm sure they would trade him. Maybe the Lions should "take him (Hanson) off the market"

 

[BoltBacker]

I am not sure AJ knows what AJ wants...first the 1st & 3rd, then "I am flexible", then not one, not two, but 3 different teams make runs at Turner (he says 6 were interested). You know that at least one made a very fair offer. I would not doubt if AJ is manic.

It was my understanding by "flexible" he meant it could be an ('08 1st + '07 3rd) or ('07 1st + '08 3rd). That's what he considered a fair offer and to the best of my knowledge nobody offered it. He's been saying the same thing for what seems like months now. It sounds like you don't know what AJ wants because you refuse to actually read what he's said he wants.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

AJ Smith was saying on Colin's show that they are pulling Turner of the market. So, do we start a new thread for 2008 or just update the title on this thread?

If he wasn't willing to take a 1st round pick for him, Turner was never realistically on the market to begin with. In AJ's world, every single player in the NFL is on the market. I mean, if someone offered the Lions a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th for Jason Hanson, I'm sure they would trade him. Maybe the Lions should "take him (Hanson) off the market"

I have absolutely no criticism at all of AJ for keeping Turner. His team figures to make a SB run this year, which makes Turner a very valuable insurance policy at the very minimum. If he decides that Turner is more valuable to the Chargers than a 1st round pick is, who am I to argue with his assessment?

That said, I'm kind of surprised anybody actually offered a 1st for Turner. That's an extremely high price to pay for a RB considering that Faulk, Alexander, Edge, McGahee, etc. didn't even come close to commanding that high a pick. It sounds like Smith just took fantasy owners for a ride here; he was never serious about trading Turner in the first place.

 

[grind]

AJ Smith was saying on Colin's show that they are pulling Turner of the market. So, do we start a new thread for 2008 or just update the title on this thread? :(

If he wasn't willing to take a 1st round pick for him, Turner was never realistically on the market to begin with. In AJ's world, every single player in the NFL is on the market. I mean, if someone offered the Lions a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th for Jason Hanson, I'm sure they would trade him. Maybe the Lions should "take him (Hanson) off the market"

I have absolutely no criticism at all of AJ for keeping Turner. His team figures to make a SB run this year, which makes Turner a very valuable insurance policy at the very minimum. If he decides that Turner is more valuable to the Chargers than a 1st round pick is, who am I to argue with his assessment?

That said, I'm kind of surprised anybody actually offered a 1st for Turner. That's an extremely high price to pay for a RB considering that Faulk, Alexander, Edge, McGahee, etc. didn't even come close to commanding that high a pick. It sounds like Smith just took fantasy owners for a ride here; he was never serious about trading Turner in the first place.

I don't know AJ Smith, but I'm putting him in the T.O. and Roger Clemens catagory. They crave the media attention and every once in a while have to say or do something to get their name back out there. I always love it when Clemens appears and says he is 80% retired. Gets some press and then fades away only to reappear a month or so later and say he is 60% retired.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

AJ Smith was saying on Colin's show that they are pulling Turner of the market. So, do we start a new thread for 2008 or just update the title on this thread? :(

If he wasn't willing to take a 1st round pick for him, Turner was never realistically on the market to begin with. In AJ's world, every single player in the NFL is on the market. I mean, if someone offered the Lions a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th for Jason Hanson, I'm sure they would trade him. Maybe the Lions should "take him (Hanson) off the market"

I have absolutely no criticism at all of AJ for keeping Turner. His team figures to make a SB run this year, which makes Turner a very valuable insurance policy at the very minimum. If he decides that Turner is more valuable to the Chargers than a 1st round pick is, who am I to argue with his assessment?

That said, I'm kind of surprised anybody actually offered a 1st for Turner. That's an extremely high price to pay for a RB considering that Faulk, Alexander, Edge, McGahee, etc. didn't even come close to commanding that high a pick. It sounds like Smith just took fantasy owners for a ride here; he was never serious about trading Turner in the first place.

I think he would have for a first & third this year. A first next year is = a 2nd this year. in the GMs mind thinking.

 

[Otis]

 

[IvanKaramazov]

AJ Smith was saying on Colin's show that they are pulling Turner of the market. So, do we start a new thread for 2008 or just update the title on this thread?

If he wasn't willing to take a 1st round pick for him, Turner was never realistically on the market to begin with. In AJ's world, every single player in the NFL is on the market. I mean, if someone offered the Lions a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th for Jason Hanson, I'm sure they would trade him. Maybe the Lions should "take him (Hanson) off the market"

I have absolutely no criticism at all of AJ for keeping Turner. His team figures to make a SB run this year, which makes Turner a very valuable insurance policy at the very minimum. If he decides that Turner is more valuable to the Chargers than a 1st round pick is, who am I to argue with his assessment?

That said, I'm kind of surprised anybody actually offered a 1st for Turner. That's an extremely high price to pay for a RB considering that Faulk, Alexander, Edge, McGahee, etc. didn't even come close to commanding that high a pick. It sounds like Smith just took fantasy owners for a ride here; he was never serious about trading Turner in the first place.

I think he would have for a first & third this year.

That's not up to him. Anybody could have signed Turner if they were willing to part with a 1st and 3rd this year. It wouldn't matter if AJ liked that deal or not. The issue was how much less AJ might be willing to settle for. The answer was obviously "not much less."

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Turner is definitely a nice insurance policy for LT but at this point he is a good kick returner and more importantly only a back up RB to the leagues best RB (who is extremely durable by the way). If SD was to go on and win the SB this year I believe Turner's role would be marginally small as his touches due to his role on the team are limited b/c of Tomlinson being so damn good. Therefore could SD have found someone in the first round this year or next year (it was an 08 pick) that would have helped them more than Turner's role on the team with also the added bonus of continuing to help SD try and win SB's in the future as well.

I think if the Chargers could have received a first for Turner they could have selected a player that would have walked into a role that would be more significant than a back up RB with good kick off ability. AJ obviously didin't think so but only time will tell.

Also, Turner being a good kick off returner is nice but if I am in the playoffs and need good field position in an important game on a kick or punt return because my team is down and need something good to happen why wouldn't I line my best player up to return the kick. Would LT not be able to return a kick as good as anyone in the leauge???? Steve Smith lines up to return important kicks for Carolina because he is a play maker. So does Brian Westbrook in Philly. So could LT in SD.

I really think gambling on one player getting hurt (LT who has proven to not get hurt) and keeping around his back up is not as important as having a first round pick who probably would/could contribute more because of circumstance and team needs.

 

[BoltBacker]

It sounds like Smith just took fantasy owners for a ride here; he was never serious about trading Turner in the first place.

I don't think you're reading nearly enough into the conspiracy. It's obvious to me at least that AJ has a fantasy vendetta against several posters in this very thread, not just "fantasy owners" in general. I'd say more but I fear the fantasy reprisals of many of the top GM's in the NFL that are surely reading this.

 

[WhoDat]

Turner is definitely a nice insurance policy for LT but at this point he is a good kick returner and more importantly only a back up RB to the leagues best RB (who is extremely durable by the way). If SD was to go on and win the SB this year I believe Turner's role would be marginally small as his touches due to his role on the team are limited b/c of Tomlinson being so damn good. Therefore could SD have found someone in the first round this year or next year (it was an 08 pick) that would have helped them more than Turner's role on the team with also the added bonus of continuing to help SD try and win SB's in the future as well.

I think if the Chargers could have received a first for Turner they could have selected a player that would have walked into a role that would be more significant than a back up RB with good kick off ability. AJ obviously didin't think so but only time will tell.

Also, Turner being a good kick off returner is nice but if I am in the playoffs and need good field position in an important game on a kick or punt return because my team is down and need something good to happen why wouldn't I line my best player up to return the kick. Would LT not be able to return a kick as good as anyone in the leauge???? Steve Smith lines up to return important kicks for Carolina because he is a play maker. So does Brian Westbrook in Philly. So could LT in SD.

I really think gambling on one player getting hurt (LT who has proven to not get hurt) and keeping around his back up is not as important as having a first round pick who probably would/could contribute more because of circumstance and team needs.

If the Chargers were not about to contend for the Superbowl, then I would agree. However, that team ripped though the AFC last last year and is within their proverbial window to win it all. They are LOADED. Turner being able to fill in for LT, if something were to happen, does not necessarily lessen the Chargers' chance to win. Turner will do more than help the team tread water. Those windows open and close very quickly. Thus, having Turner on that team...today...is more important to that franchise than a pair of draft picks.

 

[Warhogs]

It sounds like Smith just took fantasy owners for a ride here; he was never serious about trading Turner in the first place.

I don't think you're reading nearly enough into the conspiracy. It's obvious to me at least that AJ has a fantasy vendetta against several posters in this very thread, not just "fantasy owners" in general. I'd say more but I fear the fantasy reprisals of many of the top GM's in the NFL that are surely reading this.

That is probably because when he was posting on this site everybody called it B.S. and old schtick and then he was sent on vacation. His inside information was not appreciated. Now we know he really had his ear on things. I'm sure many of the regular posters know what i am talking about.

 

[Banger]

I really think gambling on one player getting hurt (LT who has proven to not get hurt) and keeping around his back up is not as important as having a first round pick who probably would/could contribute more because of circumstance and team needs.

If the Chargers were not about to contend for the Superbowl, then I would agree. However, that team ripped though the AFC last last year and is within their proverbial window to win it all. They are LOADED. Turner being able to fill in for LT, if something were to happen, does not necessarily lessen the Chargers' chance to win. Turner will do more than help the team tread water. Those windows open and close very quickly. Thus, having Turner on that team...today...is more important to that franchise than a pair of draft picks.

Agreed. At some point a team tries to win it now instead of deferring to the future and AJ obviously feels now is the time. That 1st rounder wouldn't look nearly as good as Turner if LT breaks his wrist in training camp.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

It sounds like Smith just took fantasy owners for a ride here; he was never serious about trading Turner in the first place.

I don't think you're reading nearly enough into the conspiracy. It's obvious to me at least that AJ has a fantasy vendetta against several posters in this very thread, not just "fantasy owners" in general. I'd say more but I fear the fantasy reprisals of many of the top GM's in the NFL that are surely reading this.

I didn't literally mean that AJ deliberately engineered this whole thing just to get fantasy owners riled up. I just meant that he was never going to take "market value" for MT, but we didn't know that at the time, so it had the effect of getting everyone worked up needlessly, even if that wasn't the intent.

 

[grind]

Turner is definitely a nice insurance policy for LT but at this point he is a good kick returner and more importantly only a back up RB to the leagues best RB (who is extremely durable by the way). If SD was to go on and win the SB this year I believe Turner's role would be marginally small as his touches due to his role on the team are limited b/c of Tomlinson being so damn good. Therefore could SD have found someone in the first round this year or next year (it was an 08 pick) that would have helped them more than Turner's role on the team with also the added bonus of continuing to help SD try and win SB's in the future as well.

I think if the Chargers could have received a first for Turner they could have selected a player that would have walked into a role that would be more significant than a back up RB with good kick off ability. AJ obviously didin't think so but only time will tell.

Also, Turner being a good kick off returner is nice but if I am in the playoffs and need good field position in an important game on a kick or punt return because my team is down and need something good to happen why wouldn't I line my best player up to return the kick. Would LT not be able to return a kick as good as anyone in the leauge???? Steve Smith lines up to return important kicks for Carolina because he is a play maker. So does Brian Westbrook in Philly. So could LT in SD.

I really think gambling on one player getting hurt (LT who has proven to not get hurt) and keeping around his back up is not as important as having a first round pick who probably would/could contribute more because of circumstance and team needs.

If the Chargers were not about to contend for the Superbowl, then I would agree. However, that team ripped though the AFC last last year and is within their proverbial window to win it all. They are LOADED. Turner being able to fill in for LT, if something were to happen, does not necessarily lessen the Chargers' chance to win. Turner will do more than help the team tread water. Those windows open and close very quickly. Thus, having Turner on that team...today...is more important to that franchise than a pair of draft picks.

I am no Chargers fan, but considering the passing offense New England has put together and the passing offense of Indy, you'd rather have a backup RB in case of injury then say moving up to pick #14 by using your #29 pick, the 2008 #1 pick you would have gotten for Turner, and maybe another mid-level pick (if necessary) to get Revis? Just curious. The Jets moved from #25 using a 2nd and 5th. I would think a 1st (via trading Turner) would have gotten from #29 to #14.

 

[Gr00vus]

Well, I for one feel good about Turner being here another year. I hope this means we'll see more PT for Turner in '07 in order to keep LaDainian fresh and maybe prolong his career a bit more. That didn't happen last year as I figure the coaches were hesitant to mess with LaDainian while he was putting up one of the top 5 running back seasons of all time, but now, this year I hope they plan to give LaDainian more breaks and use Turner more often while they still have him.

 

[WhoDat]

Turner is definitely a nice insurance policy for LT but at this point he is a good kick returner and more importantly only a back up RB to the leagues best RB (who is extremely durable by the way). If SD was to go on and win the SB this year I believe Turner's role would be marginally small as his touches due to his role on the team are limited b/c of Tomlinson being so damn good. Therefore could SD have found someone in the first round this year or next year (it was an 08 pick) that would have helped them more than Turner's role on the team with also the added bonus of continuing to help SD try and win SB's in the future as well.

I think if the Chargers could have received a first for Turner they could have selected a player that would have walked into a role that would be more significant than a back up RB with good kick off ability. AJ obviously didin't think so but only time will tell.

Also, Turner being a good kick off returner is nice but if I am in the playoffs and need good field position in an important game on a kick or punt return because my team is down and need something good to happen why wouldn't I line my best player up to return the kick. Would LT not be able to return a kick as good as anyone in the leauge???? Steve Smith lines up to return important kicks for Carolina because he is a play maker. So does Brian Westbrook in Philly. So could LT in SD.

I really think gambling on one player getting hurt (LT who has proven to not get hurt) and keeping around his back up is not as important as having a first round pick who probably would/could contribute more because of circumstance and team needs.

If the Chargers were not about to contend for the Superbowl, then I would agree. However, that team ripped though the AFC last last year and is within their proverbial window to win it all. They are LOADED. Turner being able to fill in for LT, if something were to happen, does not necessarily lessen the Chargers' chance to win. Turner will do more than help the team tread water. Those windows open and close very quickly. Thus, having Turner on that team...today...is more important to that franchise than a pair of draft picks.

I am no Chargers fan, but considering the passing offense New England has put together and the passing offense of Indy, you'd rather have a backup RB in case of injury then say moving up to pick #14 by using your #29 pick, the 2008 #1 pick you would have gotten for Turner, and maybe another mid-level pick (if necessary) to get Revis? Just curious. The Jets moved from #25 using a 2nd and 5th. I would think a 1st (via trading Turner) would have gotten from #29 to #14.

I am not a Chargers fan either but, yes, I would prefer to have Turner for this season. Smith has proven himself the last few years in the draft...current Midas touch type...and he did address DB with Weddle. Not implying Weddle will play CB nor does he have coverage skills like Revis but he is capable of playing any position in the defensive backfield. Also, he is a smart football player. He will make a difference at one of the DB spots. It will most likely be S but he will help alleviate some of the problems in the defensive backfield. The team could still pick up veteran help via free agency, if and when cuts happen, to address any other needs at DB, if they are still present. Turner is an expensive insurance policy and I see where someone could argue the Chargers holding him is short sighted. Conversely, the Chargers are very much in the win now mode and I think Turner playing caddy to Tomlinson makes more sense than moving Turner for picks.

 

[grind]

Well, I for one feel good about Turner being here another year. I hope this means we'll see more PT for Turner in '07 in order to keep LaDainian fresh and maybe prolong his career a bit more. That didn't happen last year as I figure the coaches were hesitant to mess with LaDainian while he was putting up one of the top 5 running back seasons of all time, but now, this year I hope they plan to give LaDainian more breaks and use Turner more often while they still have him.

Unless Norv Turner has a complete change of philosophy, I don't see Turner seeing the field much other then via injury. Check out RB's under Turner. He goes with one back and rides him, unless their is not clear cut #1 RB. Think he had that situation once in Washington when Terry Allen and another guy with no skill kind of split carries a bit.

 

[grind]

Turner is definitely a nice insurance policy for LT but at this point he is a good kick returner and more importantly only a back up RB to the leagues best RB (who is extremely durable by the way). If SD was to go on and win the SB this year I believe Turner's role would be marginally small as his touches due to his role on the team are limited b/c of Tomlinson being so damn good. Therefore could SD have found someone in the first round this year or next year (it was an 08 pick) that would have helped them more than Turner's role on the team with also the added bonus of continuing to help SD try and win SB's in the future as well.

I think if the Chargers could have received a first for Turner they could have selected a player that would have walked into a role that would be more significant than a back up RB with good kick off ability. AJ obviously didin't think so but only time will tell.

Also, Turner being a good kick off returner is nice but if I am in the playoffs and need good field position in an important game on a kick or punt return because my team is down and need something good to happen why wouldn't I line my best player up to return the kick. Would LT not be able to return a kick as good as anyone in the leauge???? Steve Smith lines up to return important kicks for Carolina because he is a play maker. So does Brian Westbrook in Philly. So could LT in SD.

I really think gambling on one player getting hurt (LT who has proven to not get hurt) and keeping around his back up is not as important as having a first round pick who probably would/could contribute more because of circumstance and team needs.

If the Chargers were not about to contend for the Superbowl, then I would agree. However, that team ripped though the AFC last last year and is within their proverbial window to win it all. They are LOADED. Turner being able to fill in for LT, if something were to happen, does not necessarily lessen the Chargers' chance to win. Turner will do more than help the team tread water. Those windows open and close very quickly. Thus, having Turner on that team...today...is more important to that franchise than a pair of draft picks.

I am no Chargers fan, but considering the passing offense New England has put together and the passing offense of Indy, you'd rather have a backup RB in case of injury then say moving up to pick #14 by using your #29 pick, the 2008 #1 pick you would have gotten for Turner, and maybe another mid-level pick (if necessary) to get Revis? Just curious. The Jets moved from #25 using a 2nd and 5th. I would think a 1st (via trading Turner) would have gotten from #29 to #14.

I am not a Chargers fan either but, yes, I would prefer to have Turner for this season. Smith has proven himself the last few years in the draft...current Midas touch type...and he did address DB with Weddle. Not implying Weddle will play CB nor does he have coverage skills like Revis but he is capable of playing any position in the defensive backfield. Also, he is a smart football player. He will make a difference at one of the DB spots. It will most likely be S but he will help alleviate some of the problems in the defensive backfield. The team could still pick up veteran help via free agency, if and when cuts happen, to address any other needs at DB, if they are still present. Turner is an expensive insurance policy and I see where someone could argue the Chargers holding him is short sighted. Conversely, the Chargers are very much in the win now mode and I think Turner playing caddy to Tomlinson makes more sense than moving Turner for picks.

Wouldn't it be easier though to find a backup RB later in the draft or via free agency then a CB with enough skills to run with Indy and New England? Again, I'm just kind of curious what Charger fans think.

 

[BoltBacker]

Wouldn't it be easier though to find a backup RB later in the draft or via free agency then a CB with enough skills to run with Indy and New England? Again, I'm just kind of curious what Charger fans think.

I think that's a refreshingly reasonable question in this thread. My take as a Charger fan is they are fairly content with their CB's. Cromartie has to see the field this year. He has to start if not the first week then be week #4. Florence played well last year if you don't count the ridiculous penalty he committed vs NE in the playoffs. Jammer, well, is just Jammer and I'm not a huge fan but he plays well for stretches. Those are three pretty good CB's imo. If they were planning on trying Jammer at S then I think the need for a CB would be more real but I haven't read anything that would convince me they are finally willing to try him at S. I don't think any of the rookie CB's in this draft would be any more than a dime back this season. Cromartie played just about as well as anyone could have hoped and he never made it past nickel back last year.I've said all along if they could get a difference maker at a postion of need(S and ILB) then I thought AJ should have pulled the trigger. The only two players that I think fit that bill were Landry and Willis and I don't think it was ever possible to trade Turner to acquire either of those two players. I really like Nelson, but Nelson/Griffin/Merriweather.... meh, I just don't think they are that big a step up from Weddle. IMO I'd rather have (Turner + Weddle) then any one of those guys.Again, that was a very reasonable question and I'd be interested on hearing how other Charger fans feel about that as well.

 

[DanFouts]

Turner is definitely a nice insurance policy for LT but at this point he is a good kick returner and more importantly only a back up RB to the leagues best RB (who is extremely durable by the way). If SD was to go on and win the SB this year I believe Turner's role would be marginally small as his touches due to his role on the team are limited b/c of Tomlinson being so damn good. Therefore could SD have found someone in the first round this year or next year (it was an 08 pick) that would have helped them more than Turner's role on the team with also the added bonus of continuing to help SD try and win SB's in the future as well.

I think if the Chargers could have received a first for Turner they could have selected a player that would have walked into a role that would be more significant than a back up RB with good kick off ability. AJ obviously didin't think so but only time will tell.

Also, Turner being a good kick off returner is nice but if I am in the playoffs and need good field position in an important game on a kick or punt return because my team is down and need something good to happen why wouldn't I line my best player up to return the kick. Would LT not be able to return a kick as good as anyone in the leauge???? Steve Smith lines up to return important kicks for Carolina because he is a play maker. So does Brian Westbrook in Philly. So could LT in SD.

I really think gambling on one player getting hurt (LT who has proven to not get hurt) and keeping around his back up is not as important as having a first round pick who probably would/could contribute more because of circumstance and team needs.

If the Chargers were not about to contend for the Superbowl, then I would agree. However, that team ripped though the AFC last last year and is within their proverbial window to win it all. They are LOADED. Turner being able to fill in for LT, if something were to happen, does not necessarily lessen the Chargers' chance to win. Turner will do more than help the team tread water. Those windows open and close very quickly. Thus, having Turner on that team...today...is more important to that franchise than a pair of draft picks.

I am no Chargers fan, but considering the passing offense New England has put together and the passing offense of Indy, you'd rather have a backup RB in case of injury then say moving up to pick #14 by using your #29 pick, the 2008 #1 pick you would have gotten for Turner, and maybe another mid-level pick (if necessary) to get Revis? Just curious. The Jets moved from #25 using a 2nd and 5th. I would think a 1st (via trading Turner) would have gotten from #29 to #14.

I am not a Chargers fan either but, yes, I would prefer to have Turner for this season. Smith has proven himself the last few years in the draft...current Midas touch type...and he did address DB with Weddle. Not implying Weddle will play CB nor does he have coverage skills like Revis but he is capable of playing any position in the defensive backfield. Also, he is a smart football player. He will make a difference at one of the DB spots. It will most likely be S but he will help alleviate some of the problems in the defensive backfield. The team could still pick up veteran help via free agency, if and when cuts happen, to address any other needs at DB, if they are still present. Turner is an expensive insurance policy and I see where someone could argue the Chargers holding him is short sighted. Conversely, the Chargers are very much in the win now mode and I think Turner playing caddy to Tomlinson makes more sense than moving Turner for picks.

Wouldn't it be easier though to find a backup RB later in the draft or via free agency then a CB with enough skills to run with Indy and New England? Again, I'm just kind of curious what Charger fans think.

You didn't know? Turner is so athletic, they let him play nickel......Honestly, Charger fans are relieved to have a backup that can keep their SB hopes alive if needed....

 

[grind]

Wouldn't it be easier though to find a backup RB later in the draft or via free agency then a CB with enough skills to run with Indy and New England? Again, I'm just kind of curious what Charger fans think.

I think that's a refreshingly reasonable question in this thread. My take as a Charger fan is they are fairly content with their CB's. Cromartie has to see the field this year. He has to start if not the first week then be week #4. Florence played well last year if you don't count the ridiculous penalty he committed vs NE in the playoffs. Jammer, well, is just Jammer and I'm not a huge fan but he plays well for stretches. Those are three pretty good CB's imo. If they were planning on trying Jammer at S then I think the need for a CB would be more real but I haven't read anything that would convince me they are finally willing to try him at S. I don't think any of the rookie CB's in this draft would be any more than a dime back this season. Cromartie played just about as well as anyone could have hoped and he never made it past nickel back last year.I've said all along if they could get a difference maker at a postion of need(S and ILB) then I thought AJ should have pulled the trigger. The only two players that I think fit that bill were Landry and Willis and I don't think it was ever possible to trade Turner to acquire either of those two players. I really like Nelson, but Nelson/Griffin/Merriweather.... meh, I just don't think they are that big a step up from Weddle. IMO I'd rather have (Turner + Weddle) then any one of those guys.Again, that was a very reasonable question and I'd be interested on hearing how other Charger fans feel about that as well.

Well if they make the trade up to get Revis at #14, that would have freed up the second to take David Harris. Would you rather have Turner + Weddle or Revis + Harris (+ say Pittman or Bush in the 4th to replace Turner).As you can probably tell from my posts, I think two things are very crazy about this situation. The craziest thing is that a team actually offered up a 1st round pick. The second crazy thing is AJ actually turned it down.

 

[PadresLakers]

Wouldn't it be easier though to find a backup RB later in the draft or via free agency then a CB with enough skills to run with Indy and New England? Again, I'm just kind of curious what Charger fans think.

I think that's a refreshingly reasonable question in this thread. My take as a Charger fan is they are fairly content with their CB's. Cromartie has to see the field this year. He has to start if not the first week then be week #4. Florence played well last year if you don't count the ridiculous penalty he committed vs NE in the playoffs. Jammer, well, is just Jammer and I'm not a huge fan but he plays well for stretches. Those are three pretty good CB's imo. If they were planning on trying Jammer at S then I think the need for a CB would be more real but I haven't read anything that would convince me they are finally willing to try him at S. I don't think any of the rookie CB's in this draft would be any more than a dime back this season. Cromartie played just about as well as anyone could have hoped and he never made it past nickel back last year.I've said all along if they could get a difference maker at a postion of need(S and ILB) then I thought AJ should have pulled the trigger. The only two players that I think fit that bill were Landry and Willis and I don't think it was ever possible to trade Turner to acquire either of those two players. I really like Nelson, but Nelson/Griffin/Merriweather.... meh, I just don't think they are that big a step up from Weddle. IMO I'd rather have (Turner + Weddle) then any one of those guys.Again, that was a very reasonable question and I'd be interested on hearing how other Charger fans feel about that as well.

Well if they make the trade up to get Revis at #14, that would have freed up the second to take David Harris. Would you rather have Turner + Weddle or Revis + Harris (+ say Pittman or Bush in the 4th to replace Turner).As you can probably tell from my posts, I think two things are very crazy about this situation. The craziest thing is that a team actually offered up a 1st round pick. The second crazy thing is AJ actually turned it down.

The Chargers did not need a CB. Jammer is signed long term, Cromartie was a first rounder last year and Florence is good as well. They wanted a quality safety prospect. If trading Turner meant drafting Landry I have no doubt they would have done so.

 

[grind]

Wouldn't it be easier though to find a backup RB later in the draft or via free agency then a CB with enough skills to run with Indy and New England? Again, I'm just kind of curious what Charger fans think.

I think that's a refreshingly reasonable question in this thread. My take as a Charger fan is they are fairly content with their CB's. Cromartie has to see the field this year. He has to start if not the first week then be week #4. Florence played well last year if you don't count the ridiculous penalty he committed vs NE in the playoffs. Jammer, well, is just Jammer and I'm not a huge fan but he plays well for stretches. Those are three pretty good CB's imo. If they were planning on trying Jammer at S then I think the need for a CB would be more real but I haven't read anything that would convince me they are finally willing to try him at S. I don't think any of the rookie CB's in this draft would be any more than a dime back this season. Cromartie played just about as well as anyone could have hoped and he never made it past nickel back last year.I've said all along if they could get a difference maker at a postion of need(S and ILB) then I thought AJ should have pulled the trigger. The only two players that I think fit that bill were Landry and Willis and I don't think it was ever possible to trade Turner to acquire either of those two players. I really like Nelson, but Nelson/Griffin/Merriweather.... meh, I just don't think they are that big a step up from Weddle. IMO I'd rather have (Turner + Weddle) then any one of those guys.Again, that was a very reasonable question and I'd be interested on hearing how other Charger fans feel about that as well.

Well if they make the trade up to get Revis at #14, that would have freed up the second to take David Harris. Would you rather have Turner + Weddle or Revis + Harris (+ say Pittman or Bush in the 4th to replace Turner).As you can probably tell from my posts, I think two things are very crazy about this situation. The craziest thing is that a team actually offered up a 1st round pick. The second crazy thing is AJ actually turned it down.

The Chargers did not need a CB. Jammer is signed long term, Cromartie was a first rounder last year and Florence is good as well. They wanted a quality safety prospect. If trading Turner meant drafting Landry I have no doubt they would have done so.

What does Jammer being signed long term have to do with anything? Is he good? You'll need a lot of quality CB's playing New England and Indy.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Wouldn't it be easier though to find a backup RB later in the draft or via free agency then a CB with enough skills to run with Indy and New England? Again, I'm just kind of curious what Charger fans think.

I think Turner will get more playing time this year, even if Tomlinson stays healthy, than any CB they could have drafted would. No rookie CB in this year's draft class is going to move past Jammer, Cromartie, and Florence in his first year.The only positions where a rookie could come in and realistically challenge to start are WR and safety -- and the Chargers got both of those in addition to keeping Turner.

 

[Obie Wan]

Well, I for one feel good about Turner being here another year. I hope this means we'll see more PT for Turner in '07 in order to keep LaDainian fresh and maybe prolong his career a bit more. That didn't happen last year as I figure the coaches were hesitant to mess with LaDainian while he was putting up one of the top 5 running back seasons of all time, but now, this year I hope they plan to give LaDainian more breaks and use Turner more often while they still have him.

maybe Turner didn;lt get much time in 2007 was because they didn't want to get Rivers killed when Turner whiffed on a blitz.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

What does Jammer being signed long term have to do with anything? Is he good?

Yes.

 

[enfuego]

It sounds like Smith just took fantasy owners for a ride here; he was never serious about trading Turner in the first place.

I don't think you're reading nearly enough into the conspiracy. It's obvious to me at least that AJ has a fantasy vendetta against several posters in this very thread, not just "fantasy owners" in general. I'd say more but I fear the fantasy reprisals of many of the top GM's in the NFL that are surely reading this.

I didn't literally mean that AJ deliberately engineered this whole thing just to get fantasy owners riled up. I just meant that he was never going to take "market value" for MT, but we didn't know that at the time, so it had the effect of getting everyone worked up needlessly, even if that wasn't the intent.

In that same vein, AJ must NOW know that there are no more NFL GM's that want to play the part of Ned Beatty in Deliverance while AJ declares, "He's got a real purty mouth, ain't he?" & "squeal like a pig"...

 

[BoltBacker]

Well if they make the trade up to get Revis at #14, that would have freed up the second to take David Harris. Would you rather have Turner + Weddle or Revis + Harris (+ say Pittman or Bush in the 4th to replace Turner).

No, not really. Like I said earlier I thought there were two difference makers in the draft for SD: Willis/Landry.

 

[BoltBacker]

What does Jammer being signed long term have to do with anything? Is he good?

Yes.

Depends on when you ask.

 

[PadresLakers]

Wouldn't it be easier though to find a backup RB later in the draft or via free agency then a CB with enough skills to run with Indy and New England? Again, I'm just kind of curious what Charger fans think.

I think that's a refreshingly reasonable question in this thread. My take as a Charger fan is they are fairly content with their CB's. Cromartie has to see the field this year. He has to start if not the first week then be week #4. Florence played well last year if you don't count the ridiculous penalty he committed vs NE in the playoffs. Jammer, well, is just Jammer and I'm not a huge fan but he plays well for stretches. Those are three pretty good CB's imo. If they were planning on trying Jammer at S then I think the need for a CB would be more real but I haven't read anything that would convince me they are finally willing to try him at S. I don't think any of the rookie CB's in this draft would be any more than a dime back this season. Cromartie played just about as well as anyone could have hoped and he never made it past nickel back last year.I've said all along if they could get a difference maker at a postion of need(S and ILB) then I thought AJ should have pulled the trigger. The only two players that I think fit that bill were Landry and Willis and I don't think it was ever possible to trade Turner to acquire either of those two players. I really like Nelson, but Nelson/Griffin/Merriweather.... meh, I just don't think they are that big a step up from Weddle. IMO I'd rather have (Turner + Weddle) then any one of those guys.Again, that was a very reasonable question and I'd be interested on hearing how other Charger fans feel about that as well.

Well if they make the trade up to get Revis at #14, that would have freed up the second to take David Harris. Would you rather have Turner + Weddle or Revis + Harris (+ say Pittman or Bush in the 4th to replace Turner).As you can probably tell from my posts, I think two things are very crazy about this situation. The craziest thing is that a team actually offered up a 1st round pick. The second crazy thing is AJ actually turned it down.

The Chargers did not need a CB. Jammer is signed long term, Cromartie was a first rounder last year and Florence is good as well. They wanted a quality safety prospect. If trading Turner meant drafting Landry I have no doubt they would have done so.

What does Jammer being signed long term have to do with anything? Is he good? You'll need a lot of quality CB's playing New England and Indy.

Jammer has handled Randy Moss pretty well the past two years so I'm not really concerned with the offensive firepower of New England. Hes pretty good and signed long term. Florence will likely leave next year, but he will likely be passed by Cromartie on the depth chart next year anyway. So Revis would have been he 4th CB next year and 3rd CB the following year. I imagine most teams would expect more than that when picking that early in the first round.

 

[pinda]

Jammer has handled Randy Moss pretty well the past two years so I'm not really concerned with the offensive firepower of New England. Hes pretty good and signed long term. Florence will likely leave next year, but he will likely be passed by Cromartie on the depth chart next year anyway. So Revis would have been he 4th CB next year and 3rd CB the following year. I imagine most teams would expect more than that when picking that early in the first round.

everybody has handled Randy Moss pretty good the past 2 years, doesn't say much

 

[enfuego]

Wouldn't it be easier though to find a backup RB later in the draft or via free agency then a CB with enough skills to run with Indy and New England? Again, I'm just kind of curious what Charger fans think.

I think that's a refreshingly reasonable question in this thread.My take as a Charger fan is they are fairly content with their CB's. Cromartie has to see the field this year. He has to start if not the first week then be week #4. Florence played well last year if you don't count the ridiculous penalty he committed vs NE in the playoffs. Jammer, well, is just Jammer and I'm not a huge fan but he plays well for stretches. Those are three pretty good CB's imo. If they were planning on trying Jammer at S then I think the need for a CB would be more real but I haven't read anything that would convince me they are finally willing to try him at S. I don't think any of the rookie CB's in this draft would be any more than a dime back this season. Cromartie played just about as well as anyone could have hoped and he never made it past nickel back last year.I've said all along if they could get a difference maker at a postion of need(S and ILB) then I thought AJ should have pulled the trigger. The only two players that I think fit that bill were Landry and Willis and I don't think it was ever possible to trade Turner to acquire either of those two players. I really like Nelson, but Nelson/Griffin/Merriweather.... meh, I just don't think they are that big a step up from Weddle. IMO I'd rather have (Turner + Weddle) then any one of those guys.Again, that was a very reasonable question and I'd be interested on hearing how other Charger fans feel about that as well.

Well if they make the trade up to get Revis at #14, that would have freed up the second to take David Harris. Would you rather have Turner + Weddle or Revis + Harris (+ say Pittman or Bush in the 4th to replace Turner).As you can probably tell from my posts, I think two things are very crazy about this situation. The craziest thing is that a team actually offered up a 1st round pick. The second crazy thing is AJ actually turned it down.

The Chargers did not need a CB. Jammer is signed long term, Cromartie was a first rounder last year and Florence is good as well. They wanted a quality safety prospect. If trading Turner meant drafting Landry I have no doubt they would have done so.

What does Jammer being signed long term have to do with anything? Is he good? You'll need a lot of quality CB's playing New England and Indy.

Jammer has handled Randy Moss pretty well the past two years so I'm not really concerned with the offensive firepower of New England. Hes pretty good and signed long term. Florence will likely leave next year, but he will likely be passed by Cromartie on the depth chart next year anyway. So Revis would have been he 4th CB next year and 3rd CB the following year. I imagine most teams would expect more than that when picking that early in the first round.