***Official NFC Divisional Playoff Packers vs Cowboys (1 Viewer)

[jonessed]

Terrible rule that needs to be changed...multiple steps and a hand down and not a catch? Makes no sense at all.

He didn't have control during that whole time. If he controlled the ball from the moment it hit his hands to when it hits the ground it's a catch.

Not true. The ground can cause an incompletion.

Obviously. I'm talking about this case in particular.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Its shocking how many people here play FFB, probably watch games every Sunday, and don't get or understand this rule. This was a big deal like 4-5 years ago

people get it, it's just a dumb way to distinguish what a catch is.

I disagree. There are several posters in here that can't seem to comprehend the rule that's been in place for 4 or 5 years now.

 

[ROCKET]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

Most controversial for Cowboys fans. No one else will care as it was clear he didn't maintain control of the ball AFTER it hit the ground. What happened prior to that is irrelevant. I honestly don't even see where there is an argument to be made here.

The rule is fine. It's simple, don't let the ball hit the ground and you won't lose the catch.

https://twitter.com/CockyTomBrady/status/554384517491068928/photo/1

The Ball hit the ground here and he didn't lose the catch.

Then I assume he maintained possession all the way through the catch? If he didn't then it was a blown call. That doesn't change the fact that they got the Dez call right as it hit the ground AND he didn't maintain possession afterwards. This rule really is pretty simple.

 

[GoBirds]

Congrats Packers, Rodgers is a beast even on 1 leg and apparently you have another awesome WR.

 

[Han Solo]

Great game...good luck GB in the NFC title game.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Its shocking how many people here play FFB, probably watch games every Sunday, and don't get or understand this rule. This was a big deal like 4-5 years ago

I remember having a heated debate about a chris chambers catch years and years ago. Same rule. Misunderstood every year. I love when announcers focus over and over on whether or not a receiver tapped his toes when it doesn't even matter because the ball ends up 17 feet away from him.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Even though I'm a Pat's fan I feel for you Dallas fans. YOU should be advancing. Not the Packers. This rule needs to change.

So that ONE play is the reason they lost?

 

[General Tso]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

Are you really that clueless? Did you NOT see the post game explanation by Pierra? CLEARLY that was the right call because that's the rule.

Whether you like it or not, it's still the same rule they've been calling for 4 years now. a rule, mind you, that was voted on by all 32 teams.

I know the rule a lot better than you do chief. And it is not a clear situation at all. Even Mike Perreira conceded that Dez lunging toward the goal line might be a football move. Principle 1: A catch is complete once there is possession and a football move.

Principle 2: If a player is in the act of going to the ground while making the catch, he must maintain control through the ground.

I only know one way to interpret this. If the act of the catch is complete (possession and football move) before the commencement of going to the ground, then going to the ground rule doesn't apply, because the act of making the catch was complete and thus the prerequisite for the going to ground rule (going to the ground "in the act of" completing the catch) is not present.

But, if the commencement of going to the ground begins before the football move, then the catch is not complete yet, before going to ground, and the going to ground requirements also must be met.

I guess one could debate whether there was a football move before Dez began going to ground. A football move is defined an act common to the game. Lunging the ball towards the goal line is about as common a football play as you can get.

And keep in mind the replay standard here. The call on the field was a catch. There has to be indisputable evidence to overturn the call. I know you think it is indisputable, but if you analyze the play as outlined above there's no way you can conclude that it was indisputable. There's way too much gray area there.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

Dez catches ball in air.

Dez falls to ground with ball in left hand.

Ball hits ground.

Incomplete.

How difficult is this, really?

It's this simple.

ball can hit ground, thought people would know that by now. Not saying it was a legal catch by the NFL's ridiculous rule of what a catch is..but the ball can hit the ground

The ball can touch the ground as long as you maintain possesion. If they see the ball move around in your hands in any way (that appears as a loss of control) they will call it incomplete.

On this play there is a point where Dez doesn't even have a hand on the football. Very easy call. I would have been astounded if they didn't reverse it.

 

[Annyong]

Dez catches ball in air.

Dez falls to ground with ball in left hand.

Ball hits ground.

Incomplete.

How difficult is this, really?

It's this simple.

You missed a few steps in that sequence. 3 steps. And an elbow.

 

[Stinger Ray]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

Are you really that clueless? Did you NOT see the post game explanation by Pierra? CLEARLY that was the right call because that's the rule.

Whether you like it or not, it's still the same rule they've been calling for 4 years now. a rule, mind you, that was voted on by all 32 teams.

I know the rule a lot better than you do chief. And it is not a clear situation at all. Even Mike Perreira conceded that Dez lunging toward the goal line might be a football move. Principle 1: A catch is complete once there is possession and a football move.

Principle 2: If a player is in the act of going to the ground while making the catch, he must maintain control through the ground.

I only know one way to interpret this. If the act of the catch is complete (possession and football move) before the commencement of going to the ground, then going to the ground rule doesn't apply, because the act of making the catch was complete and thus the prerequisite for the going to ground rule (going to the ground "in the act of" completing the catch) is not present.

But, if the commencement of going to the ground begins before the football move, then the catch is not complete yet, before going to ground, and the going to ground requirements also must be met.

I guess one could debate whether there was a football move before Dez began going to ground. A football move is defined an act common to the game. Lunging the ball towards the goal line is about as common a football play as you can get.

And keep in mind the replay standard here. The call on the field was a catch. There has to be indisputable evidence to overturn the call. I know you think it is indisputable, but if you analyze the play as outlined above there's no way you can conclude that it was indisputable. There's way too much gray area there.

Pereira was quite clear he agreed with the decision.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

Are you really that clueless? Did you NOT see the post game explanation by Pierra? CLEARLY that was the right call because that's the rule.

Whether you like it or not, it's still the same rule they've been calling for 4 years now. a rule, mind you, that was voted on by all 32 teams.

I know the rule a lot better than you do chief. And it is not a clear situation at all. Even Mike Perreira conceded that Dez lunging toward the goal line might be a football move.

Principle 1: A catch is complete once there is possession and a football move.

Principle 2: If a player is in the act of going to the ground while making the catch, he must maintain control through the ground.

I only know one way to interpret this. If the act of the catch is complete (possession and football move) before the commencement of going to the ground, then going to the ground rule doesn't apply, because the act of making the catch was complete and thus the prerequisite for the going to ground rule (going to the ground "in the act of" completing the catch) is not present.

But, if the commencement of going to the ground begins before the football move, then the catch is not complete yet, before going to ground, and the going to ground requirements also must be met.

I guess one could debate whether there was a football move before Dez began going to ground. A football move is defined an act common to the game. Lunging the ball towards the goal line is about as common a football play as you can get. And keep in mind the replay standard here. The call on the field was a catch. There was be indisputable evidence to overturn the call. I know you think it is indisputable, but if you analyze the play as outlined above there's no way you can conclude that was indisputable. There's way too much gray area there.

Let me ask you this. If the ball would have squirted away when Dez hit the ground do you think it would be called a completion?

 

[Mr.Pack]

Can someone explain to me how that rule comes into effect when Dez was already down?

He took steps...landed on his elbow...THEN the ball hits the ground and pops up.

As soon as his elbow hits the ground...he's down, right?

Watch the calvin johnson play to get a better understanding

He's not down until he is through the movement of completing the catch

I don't see how there can be an application of that rule here.

Dez goes up...catches the ball...brings it into his body and then switches it from his dominant hand to his left...while taking steps...lunges...right elbow hits the ground before his left hand comes down with the ball into the ground.

What else must a person do to establish a catch?

He caught it...check.

He has control of it...check.

He switches it from one hand to the other...football move? Nope.

He takes steps while switching it from one hand to another...football move? Check.

He lunges for the endzone...football move? Nope. Didn't lunge as replay clearly shows.

His off hand elbow comes down...he's down...check.

Are ANY of those in question above? If so...are you able to overturn all those "football moves"?

Should have held onto the ball. Rule stats that this is an incomplete.

How so? Everytime we see a RB switch the ball from one hand to the other in order to put his body inbetween the defender and the ball...we applaud him for being smart to protect the ball.

Protecting the ball...and lunging it towards the endzone HAS to be considered a football move. It certainly isn't a damned badminton move.

It's not on accident...it's done for purpose and reason. It's not him reacting to the ball bobbling and doing weird things during the catch...it's a CONSCIOUS effort to protect and lunge the ball.

It's quite simple here....... A pass play is treated differently than a run play.

This isn't rocket science here.

 

[Mario Kart]

Dez catches ball in air.

Dez falls to ground with ball in left hand.

Ball hits ground.

Incomplete.

How difficult is this, really?

It's this simple.

You missed a few steps in that sequence. 3 steps. And an elbow.

Those don't matter if the ball comes loose after hitting the ground.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/11/7528695/refs-correctly-overturn-dez-bryants-incredible-catch

gif included plain as day as to the ball coming loose.

 

[MaxThreshold]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

Are you really that clueless? Did you NOT see the post game explanation by Pierra? CLEARLY that was the right call because that's the rule.

Whether you like it or not, it's still the same rule they've been calling for 4 years now. a rule, mind you, that was voted on by all 32 teams.

I know the rule a lot better than you do chief. And it is not a clear situation at all. Even Mike Perreira conceded that Dez lunging toward the goal line might be a football move.Principle 1: A catch is complete once there is possession and a football move.

Principle 2: If a player is in the act of going to the ground while making the catch, he must maintain control through the ground.

I only know one way to interpret this. If the act of the catch is complete (possession and football move) before the commencement of going to the ground, then going to the ground rule doesn't apply, because the act of making the catch was complete and thus the prerequisite for the going to ground rule (going to the ground "in the act of" completing the catch) is not present.

But, if the commencement of going to the ground begins before the football move, then the catch is not complete yet, before going to ground, and the going to ground requirements also must be met.

I guess one could debate whether there was a football move before Dez began going to ground. A football move is defined an act common to the game. Lunging the ball towards the goal line is about as common a football play as you can get.

And keep in mind the replay standard here. The call on the field was a catch. There has to be indisputable evidence to overturn the call. I know you think it is indisputable, but if you analyze the play as outlined above there's no way you can conclude that it was indisputable. There's way too much gray area there.

You know the rule better than I do? Really? You're wrong now like you were 30 minutes ago.

The rule is the rule and it's consensus that Bryant didn't have control - PER THE RULE. And pierra DID NOT concede bryant made a football move. Now you're just making #### up.

 

[renesauz]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

Are you really that clueless? Did you NOT see the post game explanation by Pierra? CLEARLY that was the right call because that's the rule.

Whether you like it or not, it's still the same rule they've been calling for 4 years now. a rule, mind you, that was voted on by all 32 teams.

I know the rule a lot better than you do chief. And it is not a clear situation at all. Even Mike Perreira conceded that Dez lunging toward the goal line might be a football move.Principle 1: A catch is complete once there is possession and a football move.

Principle 2: If a player is in the act of going to the ground while making the catch, he must maintain control through the ground.

I only know one way to interpret this. If the act of the catch is complete (possession and football move) before the commencement of going to the ground, then going to the ground rule doesn't apply, because the act of making the catch was complete and thus the prerequisite for the going to ground rule (going to the ground "in the act of" completing the catch) is not present.

But, if the commencement of going to the ground begins before the football move, then the catch is not complete yet, before going to ground, and the going to ground requirements also must be met.

I guess one could debate whether there was a football move before Dez began going to ground. A football move is defined an act common to the game. Lunging the ball towards the goal line is about as common a football play as you can get.

And keep in mind the replay standard here. The call on the field was a catch. There has to be indisputable evidence to overturn the call. I know you think it is indisputable, but if you analyze the play as outlined above there's no way you can conclude that it was indisputable. There's way too much gray area there.

And there it is right there. Bryant WAS heading to the ground BEFORE the "football moves".

Easy to argue the rule should change. But they got this call technically correct.

 

[sho nuff]

Once again the NFL reminds me that I have no idea what a catch is any more.

Agreed...even as a Packers fan. Though, im supposed to be embarrassed by that.

Yet not embarrassed about being oblivious

Keep laughing, because we are too

Sho is on a roll today. A thing of beauty to watch his meltdowns.

at what you consider a meltdown.

You guys are awesome.

 

[sho nuff]

Props to garrett for saying its not aboy officiating....class act

 

[parasaurolophus]

Its shocking how many people here play FFB, probably watch games every Sunday, and don't get or understand this rule. This was a big deal like 4-5 years ago

people get it, it's just a dumb way to distinguish what a catch is.

I disagree. There are several posters in here that can't seem to comprehend the rule that's been in place for 4 or 5 years now.

it has been a lot longer than that.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Once again the NFL reminds me that I have no idea what a catch is any more.

Agreed...even as a Packers fan. Though, im supposed to be embarrassed by that.

Yet not embarrassed about being oblivious

Keep laughing, because we are too

Sho is on a roll today. A thing of beauty to watch his meltdowns.

at what you consider a meltdown.

You guys are awesome.

So making fun of the handicapped just comes natural to you? Don't need to get riled up? No 'heat of the moment' influencing your decision to do it?

 

[Stinger Ray]

Once again the NFL reminds me that I have no idea what a catch is any more.

Agreed...even as a Packers fan. Though, im supposed to be embarrassed by that.

Yet not embarrassed about being oblivious

Keep laughing, because we are too

Sho is on a roll today. A thing of beauty to watch his meltdowns.

at what you consider a meltdown.

You guys are awesome.

No you are awesome....you never stop entertaining us.

 

[Deamon]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

Are you really that clueless? Did you NOT see the post game explanation by Pierra? CLEARLY that was the right call because that's the rule.

Whether you like it or not, it's still the same rule they've been calling for 4 years now. a rule, mind you, that was voted on by all 32 teams.

I know the rule a lot better than you do chief. And it is not a clear situation at all. Even Mike Perreira conceded that Dez lunging toward the goal line might be a football move.Principle 1: A catch is complete once there is possession and a football move.

Principle 2: If a player is in the act of going to the ground while making the catch, he must maintain control through the ground.

I only know one way to interpret this. If the act of the catch is complete (possession and football move) before the commencement of going to the ground, then going to the ground rule doesn't apply, because the act of making the catch was complete and thus the prerequisite for the going to ground rule (going to the ground "in the act of" completing the catch) is not present.

But, if the commencement of going to the ground begins before the football move, then the catch is not complete yet, before going to ground, and the going to ground requirements also must be met.

I guess one could debate whether there was a football move before Dez began going to ground. A football move is defined an act common to the game. Lunging the ball towards the goal line is about as common a football play as you can get.

And keep in mind the replay standard here. The call on the field was a catch. There has to be indisputable evidence to overturn the call. I know you think it is indisputable, but if you analyze the play as outlined above there's no way you can conclude that it was indisputable. There's way too much gray area there.

Kinda like the gray area of last weeks PI that got overturned?

 

[sho nuff]

Once again the NFL reminds me that I have no idea what a catch is any more.

Agreed...even as a Packers fan. Though, im supposed to be embarrassed by that.

Yet not embarrassed about being oblivious

Keep laughing, because we are too

Sho is on a roll today. A thing of beauty to watch his meltdowns.

at what you consider a meltdown.You guys are awesome.

So making fun of the handicapped just comes natural to you? Don't need to get riled up? No 'heat of the moment' influencing your decision to do it?

Might be too subtle for you...but i wasn't making fun of the handicapped. I was making fun of trolling Bears fans like you.

 

[Manster]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

Are you really that clueless? Did you NOT see the post game explanation by Pierra? CLEARLY that was the right call because that's the rule.

Whether you like it or not, it's still the same rule they've been calling for 4 years now. a rule, mind you, that was voted on by all 32 teams.

I know the rule a lot better than you do chief. And it is not a clear situation at all. Even Mike Perreira conceded that Dez lunging toward the goal line might be a football move.Principle 1: A catch is complete once there is possession and a football move.

Principle 2: If a player is in the act of going to the ground while making the catch, he must maintain control through the ground.

I only know one way to interpret this. If the act of the catch is complete (possession and football move) before the commencement of going to the ground, then going to the ground rule doesn't apply, because the act of making the catch was complete and thus the prerequisite for the going to ground rule (going to the ground "in the act of" completing the catch) is not present.

But, if the commencement of going to the ground begins before the football move, then the catch is not complete yet, before going to ground, and the going to ground requirements also must be met.

I guess one could debate whether there was a football move before Dez began going to ground. A football move is defined an act common to the game. Lunging the ball towards the goal line is about as common a football play as you can get.

And keep in mind the replay standard here. The call on the field was a catch. There has to be indisputable evidence to overturn the call. I know you think it is indisputable, but if you analyze the play as outlined above there's no way you can conclude that it was indisputable. There's way too much gray area there.

Look, the games over. GB is going to Seattle.

I don't think its unreasonable to debate whether Dez made a "football move" or not.

He switched hands, lunged for the GL.........The interpretation must be that it was too instantaneous I guess. Some guys can make pretty quick football moves!

Either way, the rule needs to be looked at, at a bare minimum. Its a pretty bad rule.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Once again the NFL reminds me that I have no idea what a catch is any more.

Agreed...even as a Packers fan. Though, im supposed to be embarrassed by that.

Yet not embarrassed about being oblivious

Keep laughing, because we are too

Sho is on a roll today. A thing of beauty to watch his meltdowns.

at what you consider a meltdown.You guys are awesome.

So making fun of the handicapped just comes natural to you? Don't need to get riled up? No 'heat of the moment' influencing your decision to do it?

Might be too subtle for you...but i wasn't making fun of the handicapped. I was making fun of trolling Bears fans like you.

There's that obliviousness that we all know and love.

 

[jonessed]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

There's a homer post if I've ever heard one.not controversial at all given the rules. Yes, the consensus in this forum, by all analysts, etc, is that by virtue of CURRENT RULES, that was incomplete. No question.

I think once people digest it and Cowboy fans' emotion settles, it will become even more consensus that the correct call was made.

The rule says the ball hitting the ground without possession. It looks like Dez has possession to the ground as the ball is pinned with his hand/forearm/bicep. Then the ball bounces up and Dez catches it as he rolls over. At what point did it hit the ground without possession?

Meanwhile this is a catch. https://twitter.com/CockyTomBrady/status/554384517491068928/photo/1

All I want is consistency from the NFL

What's wrong with the shot in the picture being a catch? Without another angle you can't see if his arm/hands are under it.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Once again the NFL reminds me that I have no idea what a catch is any more.

Agreed...even as a Packers fan. Though, im supposed to be embarrassed by that.

Yet not embarrassed about being oblivious

Keep laughing, because we are too

Sho is on a roll today. A thing of beauty to watch his meltdowns.

at what you consider a meltdown.You guys are awesome.

So making fun of the handicapped just comes natural to you? Don't need to get riled up? No 'heat of the moment' influencing your decision to do it?

Might be too subtle for you...but i wasn't making fun of the handicapped. I was making fun of trolling Bears fans like you.

And you are the King of responding to trolls. You can't resist the bait,

 

[sho nuff]

Once again the NFL reminds me that I have no idea what a catch is any more.

Agreed...even as a Packers fan.Though, im supposed to be embarrassed by that.

Yet not embarrassed about being oblivious

Keep laughing, because we are too

Sho is on a roll today. A thing of beauty to watch his meltdowns.

at what you consider a meltdown.You guys are awesome.

So making fun of the handicapped just comes natural to you? Don't need to get riled up? No 'heat of the moment' influencing your decision to do it?

Might be too subtle for you...but i wasn't making fun of the handicapped. I was making fun of trolling Bears fans like you.

And you are the King of responding to trolls. You can't resist the bait,

Glad you can admit that you and Limp are trolls that is the first step...now get back to responding to flap about Rodgers faking injury.

.

Maybe try as Beaver next time.

PS...Im laughing at you...not biting your hook...you might need to figure that out some time.

 

[carverlee]

Tons of class on display in this thread.

If I was a miserable Cowboy hater I don't think I could even take solace in what happened today. Cowboys went into GB and did exactly what GB fans were afraid they could do. Two big plays changed the game: Romo checking out of the run which led to the 6 point swing before the half and the overturned catch late in the 4th. Combine those 2, and it's too much to overcome vs a team like the Packers. Those hating the 4th down call by Garrett, 3 of 4 things could have happened to produce a positive result:

1 catch by Dez

2 interception at the 2 (good as a punt)

3 PI call

4 incomplete

(guess 5- catch but overturned by BS rule wasn't factored into the equation)

Enjoy your shallow victory haters. Now we get to watch the GB/Hawks snoozer next week.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Tons of class on display in this thread.

If I was a miserable Cowboy hater I don't think I could even take solace in what happened today. Cowboys went into GB and did exactly what GB fans were afraid they could do. Two big plays changed the game: Romo checking out of the run which led to the 6 point swing before the half and the overturned catch late in the 4th. Combine those 2, and it's too much to overcome vs a team like the Packers. Those hating the 4th down call by Garrett, 3 of 4 things could have happened to produce a positive result:

1 catch by Dez

2 interception at the 2 (good as a punt)

3 PI call

4 incomplete

(guess 5- catch but overturned by BS rule wasn't factored into the equation)

Enjoy your shallow victory haters. Now we get to watch the GB/Hawks snoozer next week.

And what do you think the Cowboys had last week? A meaningful victory? Puh-lease. Save the drama for your mama.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Technically correct call, but a damn tough call for Dallas fans. That's the type of play and call which can haunt a fan. My sincere sympathies, though I am sure they are not really wanted. I too have had calls and plays that haunt me.

 

[Cunk]

Even though I'm a Pat's fan I feel for you Dallas fans. YOU should be advancing. Not the Packers. This rule needs to change.

Yes, it's a shame when silly rules help you advance in the playoffs.

#tuck

Yes, the tuck was a silly rule. Can we move on now?

Have moved on. Was just pointing out the irony in a Pats fan saying the silly rule caused the wrong team to advance.

That's not irony since I never said the tuck rule was just. If I had, THEN it would be irony.

I think it's ok for Patriots fans to be able to criticize bad rules even though a bad rule helped their team beat another team 10 or so years ago. Fans of the Patriots had nothing to do with the implementation or calling of the tuck rule.

 

[carverlee]

Dez catches ball in air.

Dez falls to ground with ball in left hand.

Ball hits ground.

Incomplete.

How difficult is this, really?

It's this simple.

ball can hit ground, thought people would know that by now. Not saying it was a legal catch by the NFL's ridiculous rule of what a catch is..but the ball can hit the ground

The ball can touch the ground as long as you maintain possesion. If they see the ball move around in your hands in any way (that appears as a loss of control) they will call it incomplete.

On this play there is a point where Dez doesn't even have a hand on the football. Very easy call. I would have been astounded if they didn't reverse it.

Tons of class on display in this thread.

If I was a miserable Cowboy hater I don't think I could even take solace in what happened today. Cowboys went into GB and did exactly what GB fans were afraid they could do. Two big plays changed the game: Romo checking out of the run which led to the 6 point swing before the half and the overturned catch late in the 4th. Combine those 2, and it's too much to overcome vs a team like the Packers. Those hating the 4th down call by Garrett, 3 of 4 things could have happened to produce a positive result:

1 catch by Dez

2 interception at the 2 (good as a punt)

3 PI call

4 incomplete

(guess 5- catch but overturned by BS rule wasn't factored into the equation)

Enjoy your shallow victory haters. Now we get to watch the GB/Hawks snoozer next week.

And what do you think the Cowboys had last week? A meaningful victory? Puh-lease. Save the drama for your mama.

Compare the two calls... seriously

 

[Stinger Ray]

Once again the NFL reminds me that I have no idea what a catch is any more.

Agreed...even as a Packers fan.

Though, im supposed to be embarrassed by that.

Yet not embarrassed about being oblivious

Keep laughing, because we are too

Sho is on a roll today. A thing of beauty to watch his meltdowns.

at what you consider a meltdown.You guys are awesome.

So making fun of the handicapped just comes natural to you? Don't need to get riled up? No 'heat of the moment' influencing your decision to do it?

Might be too subtle for you...but i wasn't making fun of the handicapped. I was making fun of trolling Bears fans like you.

And you are the King of responding to trolls. You can't resist the bait,

Glad you can admit that you and Limp are trolls that is the first step...now get back to responding to flap about Rodgers faking injury.

.

Maybe try as Beaver next time.

PS...Im laughing at you...not biting your hook...you might need to figure that out some time.

Yet....you always respond and biting the hook. Oh sho....you always look foolish.

 

[Sabertooth]

Anyone catch dez's post game pressed. Did he cry?

 

[theplayer11]

Tons of class on display in this thread.

If I was a miserable Cowboy hater I don't think I could even take solace in what happened today. Cowboys went into GB and did exactly what GB fans were afraid they could do. Two big plays changed the game: Romo checking out of the run which led to the 6 point swing before the half and the overturned catch late in the 4th. Combine those 2, and it's too much to overcome vs a team like the Packers. Those hating the 4th down call by Garrett, 3 of 4 things could have happened to produce a positive result:

1 catch by Dez

2 interception at the 2 (good as a punt)

3 PI call

4 incomplete

(guess 5- catch but overturned by BS rule wasn't factored into the equation)

Enjoy your shallow victory haters. Now we get to watch the GB/Hawks snoozer next week.

but the % of it being incomplete was the highest....

 

[Cunk]

All these years and the NFL still hasnt fixed this dumb rule. What a league.

Terrible rule. Especially since he got three steps in and it was clear he was then trying to reach for the end zone. I guess it is the right call based on the review call, but I disagree with it completely. I hate these stupid calls that take away a clear play with a stupid rule/interpretation of the rule. I understand the going to the ground, but when the receiver is able to complete 3 steps, seems like that is beyond someone catching the ball in the air and losing it as they go to the ground and they never take a step.

Spot on here. Agree 100%

I agree as well.

 

[carverlee]

Once again the NFL reminds me that I have no idea what a catch is any more.

Agreed...even as a Packers fan.

Though, im supposed to be embarrassed by that.

Yet not embarrassed about being oblivious

Keep laughing, because we are too

Sho is on a roll today. A thing of beauty to watch his meltdowns.

at what you consider a meltdown.You guys are awesome.

So making fun of the handicapped just comes natural to you? Don't need to get riled up? No 'heat of the moment' influencing your decision to do it?

Might be too subtle for you...but i wasn't making fun of the handicapped. I was making fun of trolling Bears fans like you.

And you are the King of responding to trolls. You can't resist the bait,

Glad you can admit that you and Limp are trolls that is the first step...now get back to responding to flap about Rodgers faking injury.

.

Maybe try as Beaver next time.

PS...Im laughing at you...not biting your hook...you might need to figure that out some time.

Yet....you always respond and biting the hook. Oh sho....you always look foolish.

whatever you lack in common sense, you make up with being great at message boards

 

[parasaurolophus]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

Are you really that clueless? Did you NOT see the post game explanation by Pierra? CLEARLY that was the right call because that's the rule.

Whether you like it or not, it's still the same rule they've been calling for 4 years now. a rule, mind you, that was voted on by all 32 teams.

I know the rule a lot better than you do chief. And it is not a clear situation at all. Even Mike Perreira conceded that Dez lunging toward the goal line might be a football move.Principle 1: A catch is complete once there is possession and a football move.

Principle 2: If a player is in the act of going to the ground while making the catch, he must maintain control through the ground.

I only know one way to interpret this. If the act of the catch is complete (possession and football move) before the commencement of going to the ground, then going to the ground rule doesn't apply, because the act of making the catch was complete and thus the prerequisite for the going to ground rule (going to the ground "in the act of" completing the catch) is not present.

But, if the commencement of going to the ground begins before the football move, then the catch is not complete yet, before going to ground, and the going to ground requirements also must be met.

I guess one could debate whether there was a football move before Dez began going to ground. A football move is defined an act common to the game. Lunging the ball towards the goal line is about as common a football play as you can get.

And keep in mind the replay standard here. The call on the field was a catch. There has to be indisputable evidence to overturn the call. I know you think it is indisputable, but if you analyze the play as outlined above there's no way you can conclude that it was indisputable. There's way too much gray area there.

Look, the games over. GB is going to Seattle.

I don't think its unreasonable to debate whether Dez made a "football move" or not.

He switched hands, lunged for the GL.........The interpretation must be that it was too instantaneous I guess. Some guys can make pretty quick football moves!

Either way, the rule needs to be looked at, at a bare minimum. Its a pretty bad rule.

Completely disagree. It is usually pretty easy to determine if a guy maintained control throughout. It is often very difficult to determine if he had control right when his feet, elbow, knee, etc touched the ground.

The other thing that is great about this rule is that if a guy dives for a catch in the middle of the field, momentarily controls the ball, and then gets both feet down, then loses the ball as he hits the ground or as he is going to the ground when he hadn't been touched yet, isn't ruled a fumble. If this rule was gone, that play would be a fumble and that seems silly to me.

The NFL favors the passing game so much now. Taking rules away that make it more difficult to catch the ball would slant the stats even further. No way I support that.

 

[kwille]

How about the rest of the game?

• The Rodgers to Rodgers TD pass was insane
• Davante Adams grew up in front of everyone today. Another great weapon for the Packers.
• Romo took a few unnecessary sacks today but also made some incredible plays. I was impressed.
• Murray is clearly the best runner in the league aside from the occasional fumbling problem
• The 6 point swing at the end of the 1st half turned out to be huge.

 

[mrmits]

congrats to the packer fans for advancing on a bullsh*t call...you "deserve" it

 

[MaxThreshold]

congrats to the packer fans for advancing on a bullsh*t call...you "deserve" it

 

[Yenrub]

And then an obvious offensive pass interference on Cobb that doesn't get called. Perhaps the officials should just go ahead and put on Packer jerseys.

Oh the irony

 

[Yenrub]

congrats to the packer fans for advancing on a bullsh*t call...you "deserve" it

more irony

 

[carverlee]

congrats to the packer fans for advancing on a bullsh*t call...you "deserve" it

more irony

What time do the Giants play?

 

[strykerpks]

Did they show chris Christie after the challenge

http://t.co/lvLi8Ih34g

 

[GoBirds]

congrats to the packer fans for advancing on a bullsh*t call...you "deserve" it

more irony

What time do the Giants play?

I think it's the same opponent you have next week?

 

[Kal El]

congrats to the packer fans for advancing on a bullsh*t call...you "deserve" it

Absolutely no sympathy from us Detroit fans. The Cowboys got what they deserve.

 

[sho nuff]

How about the rest of the game?

• The Rodgers to Rodgers TD pass was insane
• Davante Adams grew up in front of everyone today. Another great weapon for the Packers.
• Romo took a few unnecessary sacks today but also made some incredible plays. I was impressed.
• Murray is clearly the best runner in the league aside from the occasional fumbling problem
• The 6 point swing at the end of the 1st half turned out to be huge.

So much other stuff in this game.

Not sure about Murray...the couple big plays helped his overall day...but part of that was GB was really scheming to stop him. Definitely impressed by him and the Dallas line though. I think he is damn good...but not sure about best.

Adams has had moments...needs to be much more consistent and they still better sign Cobb...that is the huge takeaway I have as a Packers fan. Cobb is just so important to that offense right now.

That swing at the end of the half was so big and so much came down to Cobb on that.

 

[Yenrub]

congrats to the packer fans for advancing on a bullsh*t call...you "deserve" it

more irony

What time do the Giants play?

same time as Dallas next week?

But what does that have to do with the irony?