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***Official NY Mets 2009 Thread*** (1 Viewer)

Lowe has nine straight years of over 190 IP, 32+ starts, and over 6 IP/start.

Would have been perfect as a #2 behind Santana.

THANK YOU Fred Coupon !

 
=Smackdown= said:
Lowe has nine straight years of over 190 IP, 32+ starts, and over 6 IP/start.Would have been perfect as a #2 behind Santana.THANK YOU Fred Coupon !
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Someone's post at MLBTR:"Look Lowe is a fine pitcher - a solid #2 IMO. I wanted him on the Mets but not at the price you guys paid. Paying 36, 37, 38 year old guys big money has been part of the Mets problems over the years. This is not a typical Braves move. Usually you are jettisoning guys like him."I agree with that to a large extent.
 
I have no problem missing out on Lowe. 4 years, 15 mil per for a 36 year old SP? No thanks. I'll be happy if they get Ollie or Sheets. That seems like a big 'if' now though.....

 
Im glad they stood firm on Lowe. Thats too many years and too much per year for a pitcher his age. I honestly think that the Mets and the Yanks are probably the leaders in the clubhouse to pick up Sheets - it would cost the Mets a second round pick and the Yanks only a 4th. So hopefully we can get Sheets to a 1 or 2 year incentive-laden deal like the ones Smoltz and Penny signed with the Red Sox.

And there are plenty of other solid pitchers on the market if we miss out on Ollie and Sheets. Wolf comes to mind immediately. Im glad the Mets are treating this as a buyer's market and not caving to individual player demands. Just think about how depressed the market would have been had the Yankees actually followed suit.

 
On Perez - Wouldve rather had Sheets

Omar says no more money to spend, this is the roster going into spring training. Im very disappointed that there was no improvement to the lineup. The lineup that 2 yrs in a row has gone into a shell down the stretch and failed miserably.

Oh well

 
William Munny said:
On Perez - Wouldve rather had SheetsOmar says no more money to spend, this is the roster going into spring training. Im very disappointed that there was no improvement to the lineup. The lineup that 2 yrs in a row has gone into a shell down the stretch and failed miserably.Oh well
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To not see what O Hudson could bring for less than 4 mill over a year. It's an embarassment to be honest. Really is a sad showing by ownerhship and management. Wilpons and Omar, never have I seen such a potentially good investment opportunity (not hudson, but putting money into a team located in NYC that is literally a couple good pieces away from a championship, at least as good a shot at one as any) gone to waste.
 
Koya said:
William Munny said:
On Perez - Wouldve rather had SheetsOmar says no more money to spend, this is the roster going into spring training. Im very disappointed that there was no improvement to the lineup. The lineup that 2 yrs in a row has gone into a shell down the stretch and failed miserably.Oh well
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To not see what O Hudson could bring for less than 4 mill over a year. It's an embarassment to be honest. Really is a sad showing by ownerhship and management. Wilpons and Omar, never have I seen such a potentially good investment opportunity (not hudson, but putting money into a team located in NYC that is literally a couple good pieces away from a championship, at least as good a shot at one as any) gone to waste.
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Frankly, I'd rather have them keep some financial flexibilty now so that in the middle of the season they can scoop up players during the firesale we all know is coming from about half the teams in MLB. Not that they necessarily will, but it would be the better course of action.
 
dparker713 said:
Koya said:
William Munny said:
On Perez - Wouldve rather had SheetsOmar says no more money to spend, this is the roster going into spring training. Im very disappointed that there was no improvement to the lineup. The lineup that 2 yrs in a row has gone into a shell down the stretch and failed miserably.Oh well
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To not see what O Hudson could bring for less than 4 mill over a year. It's an embarassment to be honest. Really is a sad showing by ownerhship and management. Wilpons and Omar, never have I seen such a potentially good investment opportunity (not hudson, but putting money into a team located in NYC that is literally a couple good pieces away from a championship, at least as good a shot at one as any) gone to waste.
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Frankly, I'd rather have them keep some financial flexibilty now so that in the middle of the season they can scoop up players during the firesale we all know is coming from about half the teams in MLB. Not that they necessarily will, but it would be the better course of action.
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Very ;) Having the 2nd or 3rd highest payroll in ALL of sports I guess the Wilpons do not want to double pay for a position. They are paying 2 closers this year and if they brought on Hudson they'd be paying for 2 2B.
 
=Smackdown= said:
dparker713 said:
Koya said:
William Munny said:
On Perez - Wouldve rather had SheetsOmar says no more money to spend, this is the roster going into spring training. Im very disappointed that there was no improvement to the lineup. The lineup that 2 yrs in a row has gone into a shell down the stretch and failed miserably.Oh well
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To not see what O Hudson could bring for less than 4 mill over a year. It's an embarassment to be honest. Really is a sad showing by ownerhship and management. Wilpons and Omar, never have I seen such a potentially good investment opportunity (not hudson, but putting money into a team located in NYC that is literally a couple good pieces away from a championship, at least as good a shot at one as any) gone to waste.
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Frankly, I'd rather have them keep some financial flexibilty now so that in the middle of the season they can scoop up players during the firesale we all know is coming from about half the teams in MLB. Not that they necessarily will, but it would be the better course of action.
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Very :towelwave: Having the 2nd or 3rd highest payroll in ALL of sports I guess the Wilpons do not want to double pay for a position. They are paying 2 closers this year and if they brought on Hudson they'd be paying for 2 2B.
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First, no such thing as two closers. One is not one the team. And if you have two on the team, it's a set up man - which at times is more important than the closer. Regardless - not spending 4 Mill on a guy that would give you bench flexibility and a potential trade chip at some point in the season for a team and a GM that has demonstrated over the past few years their wonderful ability to be good - and not actually make the moves to be very good, god forbid great.Lets make the one or two BIG splash FA acquisitions, then not add depth. Not complete a lineup. Not have any room for injury or underperformance.When you consider the upside of the market, Wilpon is terribly short sighted in his lack of investment - and I say that knowing all too well that they have a very big payroll. But it is short sighted to spend THAT much, and not increase by say, 10-15% which would result, imo, in far more than a 10-15% return on investment considering the odds they would then have to finally not choke - and perhaps even make it to and win the series.
 
Giant Wooden Badger said:
The two closers comment was referring to Wagner. He's still being paid, GB.
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Yes I know, and I commented that one ain't even playing (eta, ok, I was not clear - by not on the tream I meant not playing - same thing to me). You can't count dead salary toward paying a position twice.
 
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Koya said:
Giant Wooden Badger said:
The two closers comment was referring to Wagner. He's still being paid, GB.
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Yes I know, and I commented that one ain't even playing (eta, ok, I was not clear - by not on the tream I meant not playing - same thing to me). You can't count dead salary toward paying a position twice.
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Wagner is being paid 10 million this year whether he pitches or not. Him and KRod on the books means they're paying 2 closers this year. Regardless if he's on the active roster or not that money is still coming out of Wilpons pocket.I hear you loud and clear Koya.I also wanted the Mets to sign Hudson and "Kevin Brown" Castillo to nowhere land.I also wanted the Mets to sign Manny who would pay for himself 2X over.But the fact of the matter is the Mets have the 2nd highest payroll in all of sports. I also get the feeling theat Omar didn't want to commit to Manny and 3-4-5 years in LF because he envisions Fernando Martinez being his LFer in 2010.We are stuck with Castillo at 2B who I despise. With that said he lost a lot of weight in the off season. The Mets are hoping last year was an injury aberration and that he returns to his old self. Don't know if that will happen but that's what we are stuck with.
 
=Smackdown= said:
Koya said:
Giant Wooden Badger said:
The two closers comment was referring to Wagner. He's still being paid, GB.
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Yes I know, and I commented that one ain't even playing (eta, ok, I was not clear - by not on the tream I meant not playing - same thing to me). You can't count dead salary toward paying a position twice.
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Wagner is being paid 10 million this year whether he pitches or not. Him and KRod on the books means they're paying 2 closers this year. Regardless if he's on the active roster or not that money is still coming out of Wilpons pocket.I hear you loud and clear Koya.I also wanted the Mets to sign Hudson and "Kevin Brown" Castillo to nowhere land.I also wanted the Mets to sign Manny who would pay for himself 2X over.But the fact of the matter is the Mets have the 2nd highest payroll in all of sports. I also get the feeling theat Omar didn't want to commit to Manny and 3-4-5 years in LF because he envisions Fernando Martinez being his LFer in 2010.We are stuck with Castillo at 2B who I despise. With that said he lost a lot of weight in the off season. The Mets are hoping last year was an injury aberration and that he returns to his old self. Don't know if that will happen but that's what we are stuck with.
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Read that Manuel will play Murphy at 2nd base for a couple of the pitchers who don't get a lot of ground ball outs.
 
Darth Cheney said:
=Smackdown= said:
Koya said:
Giant Wooden Badger said:
The two closers comment was referring to Wagner. He's still being paid, GB.
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Yes I know, and I commented that one ain't even playing (eta, ok, I was not clear - by not on the tream I meant not playing - same thing to me). You can't count dead salary toward paying a position twice.
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Wagner is being paid 10 million this year whether he pitches or not. Him and KRod on the books means they're paying 2 closers this year. Regardless if he's on the active roster or not that money is still coming out of Wilpons pocket.I hear you loud and clear Koya.I also wanted the Mets to sign Hudson and "Kevin Brown" Castillo to nowhere land.I also wanted the Mets to sign Manny who would pay for himself 2X over.But the fact of the matter is the Mets have the 2nd highest payroll in all of sports. I also get the feeling theat Omar didn't want to commit to Manny and 3-4-5 years in LF because he envisions Fernando Martinez being his LFer in 2010.We are stuck with Castillo at 2B who I despise. With that said he lost a lot of weight in the off season. The Mets are hoping last year was an injury aberration and that he returns to his old self. Don't know if that will happen but that's what we are stuck with.
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Read that Manuel will play Murphy at 2nd base for a couple of the pitchers who don't get a lot of ground ball outs.
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Please let this happen early enough in the year for fantasy eligibility purposes
 
Deranged Hermit said:
Love the Sheffield deal. Reasonable money and a good righty bat.
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Better then Marlon Anderson. The only thing I'd be concerned about is when he signed he said he was going to get some PT in the field. So the question is...is he better then Church, certainly not defensively.
 
Snotbubbles said:
Deranged Hermit said:
Love the Sheffield deal. Reasonable money and a good righty bat.
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Better then Marlon Anderson. The only thing I'd be concerned about is when he signed he said he was going to get some PT in the field. So the question is...is he better then Church, certainly not defensively.
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Can't he play 1st base too? Maybe he can sub for Delgado here and there when he needs a game off.
 
LETS GET IT GOIN! New Met attitude this year.

GB having a tv in my office for days like this :thumbup:

 
1-0 end 5

Danny Murphy goes deep, Santana settling down after a rocky start control wise. 6 or 7 Ks I believe

 
dparker713 said:
Deranged Hermit said:
Love the Sheffield deal. Reasonable money and a good righty bat.
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Even if he returns to production levels of 2 years ago, he'll cost them as many runs in the field as he generates at the plate. Defense matters, alot. Apparently the Mets never figured that out.
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Who said he'd be playing the OF on a regular basis? They're paying him 400k to be a right handed bat off the bench who will get a little playing time in blow-outs. Seems pretty reasonable to me.....
 
=Smackdown= said:
Koya said:
Giant Wooden Badger said:
The two closers comment was referring to Wagner. He's still being paid, GB.
Click to expand...
Yes I know, and I commented that one ain't even playing (eta, ok, I was not clear - by not on the tream I meant not playing - same thing to me). You can't count dead salary toward paying a position twice.
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Wagner is being paid 10 million this year whether he pitches or not. Him and KRod on the books means they're paying 2 closers this year. Regardless if he's on the active roster or not that money is still coming out of Wilpons pocket.I hear you loud and clear Koya.

I also wanted the Mets to sign Hudson and "Kevin Brown" Castillo to nowhere land.

I also wanted the Mets to sign Manny who would pay for himself 2X over.

But the fact of the matter is the Mets have the 2nd highest payroll in all of sports. I also get the feeling theat Omar didn't want to commit to Manny and 3-4-5 years in LF because he envisions Fernando Martinez being his LFer in 2010.

We are stuck with Castillo at 2B who I despise. With that said he lost a lot of weight in the off season. The Mets are hoping last year was an injury aberration and that he returns to his old self. Don't know if that will happen but that's what we are stuck with.
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Doesn't wagner get paid by an insurance policy? I always thought that the owners have insurance policies on the players and when there's an injury like wagner has and he plays no baseball the insurance policy kicks in so the only money out of wilpons pocket would be the insurance premium.Is that right?

 
Deranged Hermit said:
dparker713 said:
Deranged Hermit said:
Love the Sheffield deal. Reasonable money and a good righty bat.
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Even if he returns to production levels of 2 years ago, he'll cost them as many runs in the field as he generates at the plate. Defense matters, alot. Apparently the Mets never figured that out.
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Who said he'd be playing the OF on a regular basis? They're paying him 400k to be a right handed bat off the bench who will get a little playing time in blow-outs. Seems pretty reasonable to me.....
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He had the same offer from two other clubs, he came to NY to get PT, i.e. a platoon with Church. Do you really think Sheff will ever be happy being a bench player? There is a reason Detroit is eating 13.6 million this year.
 
lumpy19 said:
=Smackdown= said:
Koya said:
Giant Wooden Badger said:
The two closers comment was referring to Wagner. He's still being paid, GB.
Click to expand...
Yes I know, and I commented that one ain't even playing (eta, ok, I was not clear - by not on the tream I meant not playing - same thing to me). You can't count dead salary toward paying a position twice.
Click to expand...
Wagner is being paid 10 million this year whether he pitches or not. Him and KRod on the books means they're paying 2 closers this year. Regardless if he's on the active roster or not that money is still coming out of Wilpons pocket.I hear you loud and clear Koya.

I also wanted the Mets to sign Hudson and "Kevin Brown" Castillo to nowhere land.

I also wanted the Mets to sign Manny who would pay for himself 2X over.

But the fact of the matter is the Mets have the 2nd highest payroll in all of sports. I also get the feeling theat Omar didn't want to commit to Manny and 3-4-5 years in LF because he envisions Fernando Martinez being his LFer in 2010.

We are stuck with Castillo at 2B who I despise. With that said he lost a lot of weight in the off season. The Mets are hoping last year was an injury aberration and that he returns to his old self. Don't know if that will happen but that's what we are stuck with.
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Doesn't wagner get paid by an insurance policy? I always thought that the owners have insurance policies on the players and when there's an injury like wagner has and he plays no baseball the insurance policy kicks in so the only money out of wilpons pocket would be the insurance premium.Is that right?
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The Mets’ insurance policy does not cover Billy Wagner’s 2009 salary, meaning they are responsible for all $10.5 million.I'm not sure on this but I think most insurance policies do not cover pitchers for more than 3 years.

 
Told all my friends I was more worried about the Marlins this year than the Phils, and while they're watching Sanchez I think they may actually understand why.

 
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