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***Official NY METS 2014 Thread*** (1 Viewer)

Deranged Hermit said:
comfortably numb said:
RUSF18 said:
Is this reality?

http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/should-red-sox-trade-xander-bogaerts-matt-harvey
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Meh,

just sounds like someone posting a trade scenario in the shark pool

Boston Globe baseball columnist Nick Cafardo suggested that the Red Sox might consider trading shortstop Xander Bogaerts to the New York Mets for one-time phenom pitcher Matt Harvey in an attempt to bolster their sagging pitching staff.
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I don't want any of those three pitchers going anywhere.
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The only reason I would consider moving any of them is $

Not sure resigning all 3 will be feasible/possible.

So I would look at it as a sell high type of thing before having to consider offering 150M deal to 2-3 of them.

 
comfortably numb said:
Deranged Hermit said:
comfortably numb said:
RUSF18 said:
Is this reality?

http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/should-red-sox-trade-xander-bogaerts-matt-harvey
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Meh,

just sounds like someone posting a trade scenario in the shark pool

Boston Globe baseball columnist Nick Cafardo suggested that the Red Sox might consider trading shortstop Xander Bogaerts to the New York Mets for one-time phenom pitcher Matt Harvey in an attempt to bolster their sagging pitching staff.
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I don't want any of those three pitchers going anywhere.
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The only reason I would consider moving any of them is $

Not sure resigning all 3 will be feasible/possible.

So I would look at it as a sell high type of thing before having to consider offering 150M deal to 2-3 of them.
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Great point.

Do we offer big contracts now to Harvey and deGrom? Is it worth it? I know they are controlled for a while, but do you think they would accept a fair contract to get through through their prime?

 
Definitely not Harvey. I mean, if you give him absolute full value I think he takes it but he's probably making enough in endorsements to more than get by, and he's very visibly living a lifestyle that extends past his actual salary. So I don't think he's just going to be looking to cash in short term.

 
RUSF18 said:
Definitely not Harvey. I mean, if you give him absolute full value I think he takes it but he's probably making enough in endorsements to more than get by, and he's very visibly living a lifestyle that extends past his actual salary. So I don't think he's just going to be looking to cash in short term.
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What's he worth per year? 22-25 mill?

How about deGrom? Same?

Would either take 8 years 160 mill? Seems like a win win.

 
MCguidance said:
RUSF18 said:
Definitely not Harvey. I mean, if you give him absolute full value I think he takes it but he's probably making enough in endorsements to more than get by, and he's very visibly living a lifestyle that extends past his actual salary. So I don't think he's just going to be looking to cash in short term.
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What's he worth per year? 22-25 mill?

How about deGrom? Same?

Would either take 8 years 160 mill? Seems like a win win.
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Honestly don't know what the value is. I assume those numbers are approaching true free agency figures and not really the years of team control. But the bigger point is right. Barring new ownership, they're not signing two guys to deals of that size/length. Just no shot in hell.

edit: If I'm reading Baseball Reference right, Harvey can't become a free agent until after the 2018 season. deGrom until after 2020 (he has two more seasons after this one before he's even arbitration eligible). A deal in the low 10s that carries them to FA, maybe buys out a year in deGrom's case, would probably be most likely but I fully admit to being unsure on how deals like this have been handled around the league for pitchers.

 
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I need to keep reminding myself that Thor is just in his infancy in the MLB. He was so good so quickly, I think people tend to forget. He just gave up another homer, but I'd like to see him settle down and learn from this.

EDIT: Gave up another homer two batters later.

 
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MCguidance said:
I need to keep reminding myself that Thor is just in his infancy in the MLB. He was so good so quickly, I think people tend to forget. He just gave up another homer, but I'd like to see him settle down and learn from this.

EDIT: Gave up another homer two batters later.
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He settled down :thumbup:

 
comfortably numb said:
MCguidance said:
I need to keep reminding myself that Thor is just in his infancy in the MLB. He was so good so quickly, I think people tend to forget. He just gave up another homer, but I'd like to see him settle down and learn from this.

EDIT: Gave up another homer two batters later.
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He settled down :thumbup:
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Yep. Just had a 5 pitch 7th inning.

Mets rolling 9-3 right now. I love that they are winning early during the day to put the pressure on the Nats who are in the middle of the West coast swing.

 
RUSF18 said:
RBM said:
Anybody worried about Duda?
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Why...because day to day injuries seem to evolve into 3 month injuries with the Ray Ramirez medical staff every single ### #### time?
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I'm not totally against him having to go to the DL. If that's what it takes to get him right for the stretch run then so be it. We have the depth right now to absorb that loss. Will be retroactive a few days anyway. The other question is who they would call up? Nimmo is too raw. Am I missing someone?

 
RUSF18 said:
MCguidance said:
RUSF18 said:
Definitely not Harvey. I mean, if you give him absolute full value I think he takes it but he's probably making enough in endorsements to more than get by, and he's very visibly living a lifestyle that extends past his actual salary. So I don't think he's just going to be looking to cash in short term.
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What's he worth per year? 22-25 mill?

How about deGrom? Same?

Would either take 8 years 160 mill? Seems like a win win.
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Honestly don't know what the value is. I assume those numbers are approaching true free agency figures and not really the years of team control. But the bigger point is right. Barring new ownership, they're not signing two guys to deals of that size/length. Just no shot in hell.

edit: If I'm reading Baseball Reference right, Harvey can't become a free agent until after the 2018 season. deGrom until after 2020 (he has two more seasons after this one before he's even arbitration eligible). A deal in the low 10s that carries them to FA, maybe buys out a year in deGrom's case, would probably be most likely but I fully admit to being unsure on how deals like this have been handled around the league for pitchers.
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I'm a bit of a baseball contracts nerd so here's my take.

Harvey: He's a FA after 2018, so there's no reason for him to sign an extension, especially because he's arbitration eligible for each of the next three seasons, then he'll sign with the highest bidder.

DeGrom: This is more interesting. When pitchers sign extensions after only one year, they're usually like Chris Archer; pitchers who have shown flashes of talent but haven't made "the leap" yet. The other thing worth noting is that DeGrom is old for a 2nd year pitcher; he's already 27 because he went to college and had TJ surgery. Last year was his first year in the pros but he came up in May, so he might be a super two, but either way he'll make the minimum next year and then he's signed through 2020, which means he would be 32 when he hits free agency. I think the best comparison to DeGrom's potential extension would be Corey Kluber's. Kluber was awesome last year, but he was also older and he signed a 5 year, 38 million dollar deal with 2 team options for about 30 million more, which would make Kluber a FA at 34. I think the Mets might need to offer a bit more than that, but a similar framework would be a good deal, and could keep DeGrom locked up through 2022 or 23.

 
MCguidance said:
RUSF18 said:
RBM said:
Anybody worried about Duda?
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Why...because day to day injuries seem to evolve into 3 month injuries with the Ray Ramirez medical staff every single ### #### time?
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I'm not totally against him having to go to the DL. If that's what it takes to get him right for the stretch run then so be it. We have the depth right now to absorb that loss. Will be retroactive a few days anyway. The other question is who they would call up? Nimmo is too raw. Am I missing someone?
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Probably Campbell, honestly. He would just be for depth. You'd have Murph/Cuddyer play first, Flores/Johnson at second, keep Uribe at third, and have Conforto play LF against righties and Cespedes switch between CF and LF.

 
Waking up to another Washington loss is always nice.

4.5 games up. Big series with PIT. I'd settle love to take this series but even one win wouldn't be terrible.

 
njherdfan said:
RUSF18 said:
MCguidance said:
RUSF18 said:
Definitely not Harvey. I mean, if you give him absolute full value I think he takes it but he's probably making enough in endorsements to more than get by, and he's very visibly living a lifestyle that extends past his actual salary. So I don't think he's just going to be looking to cash in short term.
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What's he worth per year? 22-25 mill?

How about deGrom? Same?

Would either take 8 years 160 mill? Seems like a win win.
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Honestly don't know what the value is. I assume those numbers are approaching true free agency figures and not really the years of team control. But the bigger point is right. Barring new ownership, they're not signing two guys to deals of that size/length. Just no shot in hell.

edit: If I'm reading Baseball Reference right, Harvey can't become a free agent until after the 2018 season. deGrom until after 2020 (he has two more seasons after this one before he's even arbitration eligible). A deal in the low 10s that carries them to FA, maybe buys out a year in deGrom's case, would probably be most likely but I fully admit to being unsure on how deals like this have been handled around the league for pitchers.
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I'm a bit of a baseball contracts nerd so here's my take.

Harvey: He's a FA after 2018, so there's no reason for him to sign an extension, especially because he's arbitration eligible for each of the next three seasons, then he'll sign with the highest bidder.

DeGrom: This is more interesting. When pitchers sign extensions after only one year, they're usually like Chris Archer; pitchers who have shown flashes of talent but haven't made "the leap" yet. The other thing worth noting is that DeGrom is old for a 2nd year pitcher; he's already 27 because he went to college and had TJ surgery. Last year was his first year in the pros but he came up in May, so he might be a super two, but either way he'll make the minimum next year and then he's signed through 2020, which means he would be 32 when he hits free agency. I think the best comparison to DeGrom's potential extension would be Corey Kluber's. Kluber was awesome last year, but he was also older and he signed a 5 year, 38 million dollar deal with 2 team options for about 30 million more, which would make Kluber a FA at 34. I think the Mets might need to offer a bit more than that, but a similar framework would be a good deal, and could keep DeGrom locked up through 2022 or 23.
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Good insight, thanks. Agree with you on deGrom. You'd think his age would make him more willing to sign a team-friendly deal now, as he doesn't have the benefit of time that would come with the risk of suffering another big injury without a long term contract in place.

 
That play by Cespedes was absolutely sick. I can't blame Rodriguez for that one. I don't think anyone else in baseball makes that play. This team has some major mojo.

 
comfortably numb said:
Rain?

Where'd that come from?
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Couple cells that seem to be going like east south east through flushing and the middle of nassau it seems. Was Jeepin' around and saw some ugly gray skies to head home, saw like three drops, so it somehow didn't hit the North Shore. :shrug:

Can't imagine this will be long. We need to come out with some ####in' hits.

 
Fortunately the Giants are doing the lord's work and keeping the Mets up. But Parnell doesn't belong on a MLB roster at this point. I said it when he first started pitching this year, and it's still true: he lost most of his velocity and his command. Giving him meaningful innings is a recipe for disaster, and the only reason he's still getting those innings is because he was once a closer. This team isn't good enough to keep on giving up innings like that. Goeddel is almost back; Vic Black is in AAA. Either one of those players would be an upgrade.

 
njherdfan said:
Fortunately the Giants are doing the lord's work and keeping the Mets up. But Parnell doesn't belong on a MLB roster at this point. I said it when he first started pitching this year, and it's still true: he lost most of his velocity and his command. Giving him meaningful innings is a recipe for disaster, and the only reason he's still getting those innings is because he was once a closer. This team isn't good enough to keep on giving up innings like that. Goeddel is almost back; Vic Black is in AAA. Either one of those players would be an upgrade.
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Agree. He stinks. Needs a year to get right.
 
Not too concerned overall, those first two games losing in extras are basically coin flips and everything seemed to go to #### yesterday when that easy double play got messed up. Bounce back and win some games.

Bigger issue is the middle of the pen. Sandy needs to add another arm if Montero isn't coming back soon.

 
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