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== OFFICIAL OAKLAND RAIDERS 2018 thread == (2 Viewers)

Bell is looking for 12-14 million per season. Currently, Raiders do not have that kind of cap space after factoring in resigning Mack. Seems like a pipe dream to me. As I mentioned before, I think they need to upgrade the RB position, but I think they could do it without breaking the bank.

If they were to make a big FA signing I would rather it be at the WR position. Jarvis Landry anyone?

 
Bell is looking for 12-14 million per season. Currently, Raiders do not have that kind of cap space after factoring in resigning Mack. Seems like a pipe dream to me. As I mentioned before, I think they need to upgrade the RB position, but I think they could do it without breaking the bank.

If they were to make a big FA signing I would rather it be at the WR position. Jarvis Landry anyone?
Talk about having a poor attitude.

 
Meh, I think whatever perceived "attitude" problems are more a symptom of his competitiveness.
More often than not his competitiveness often looks a lot like selfishness, or even downright stupidity.

Great receiver but I don't like the headache he brings with him.

 
He didn't have a defensive MVP season last year so that helps but you can't sign an elite pass rusher for $14 a year. Think Von Miller $114 million over 6 years two years ago to get an idea of what kind of money ball park we are going to be talking about.
The point I was making is that Mack is already making $14 million this next season already which is currently baked into the current available salary cap which is at around $15 million. After carrying that over plus the salary cap increase and players being released to make more salary cap room I wouldn't be surprised if the Raiders end up with at least somewhere between $30 and $40 million in available cap space if not a little more. After Mack's restructure probably another $3 or $4 million will be added to his current $14 million this season and making $20+ in the following seasons.So I think the Raiders will have plenty of money to go after a player like Jarvis Landry (need someone who can catch the damn ball) and some help on defense in FA.

 
Agree... This is nonsense. The free agent talk should be about fixing the defense. Offense needs to shore up the tackle positions and WR depth. If they're going to shake up the RB position, do it through the draft in the mid rounds.
This, save a lot of money towards the cap by drafting a RB on day two in this deep RB draft class.

 
I wouldn't be pissed if they took Barkley in the first. Worst things could happen.
I would love Barkley, I would be shocked if he doesn’t go top 5 but if he did fall to Raiders I would hand in the card before they even announced the Raiders were on the clock. 

 
Don't see how Barkley will be available when Raiders pick.  Also, don't think Bell is really an option.  However, I think they are fine at RB as is if they decide to keep Lynch.  Lynch and Washington/Richard seems really similar to the backfield when Gruden left.  

 
Nick Chubb in the 2nd or 3rd would give me a Chubby. 

If we get a bigger back to pair with the dwarf twins, I would consider RB set.

Spending huge money on Bell is a move that seems very anti-Reggie.

 
Cap space-wise, they are at 14 mill, and get to 28 mill with the release of Smith and Lynch. Not including Crabtree and Amerson, who I am not convinced are getting released.  

Also:

We are in line for at least 4 comp picks this year.   :moneybag:

 
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Cap space-wise, they are at 14 mill, and get to 28 mill with the release of Smith and Lynch. Not including Crabtree and Amerson, who I am not convinced are getting released.  

Also:

We are in line for at least 4 comp picks this year.   :moneybag:
4 comp picks. Interesting. Remind me, who were the players they lost? I recall Hayden, Watson and Murray. Who else? 

 
The point I was making is that Mack is already making $14 million this next season already which is currently baked into the current available salary cap which is at around $15 million. After carrying that over plus the salary cap increase and players being released to make more salary cap room I wouldn't be surprised if the Raiders end up with at least somewhere between $30 and $40 million in available cap space if not a little more. After Mack's restructure probably another $3 or $4 million will be added to his current $14 million this season and making $20+ in the following seasons.So I think the Raiders will have plenty of money to go after a player like Jarvis Landry (need someone who can catch the damn ball) and some help on defense in FA.
I got ya but remember also, most contracts are back loaded so the guys we keep and not restructure tend to cost more now than the year before.... so it isn't exactly 'we just need to pay him $6 million more than we are now' because there are a lot of moving numbers. We have a lot of money invested in our O-line and QB. We will be spending money on an elite pass rusher and what is suppose to be elite WR whom I hope gets back on track with the new regime. That is a lot of money spend and to be spent. Even with the expected cuts we will have a ton of play money.... some... but not much.

 
Buckle up Raider fans, here is the dirt on what went wrong (at least according to this report). It would certainly explains how things went south.

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Things are starting to get leaked here and there about Raiders 2017 season. David Carr went on the radio and said he was "surprised Jack Del Rio lasted that long" and Derek Carr finally admitted the Raiders were a "different team" after the Washington game.

Most reporters either know most of the story and don't want to write or speak about it because they are scared of Raiders Media Relations Department. I don't plan on going to any away games in 2018, so I have no problem telling the world what I know, what I know is 100% accurate and I have quadruple sources on the Raiders season and all the drama. Those people range from players to former and current staff members.

Lets start with Jack Del Rio. When Jack Del Rio was in Jacksonville players did not like his strength and conditioning program. Players would often get hurt, that rolled over to the Raiders where injuries were the norm and the players hated this program. Jack Del Rio did not connect with the players in 2017 all because of one thing and that's politics, like actual politics as Del Rio was a massive Donald Trump fan and he still is. He was not shy about it either, so it was not the smartest move of the Raiders P.R. team to set him up with a twitter account.  can argue no coach should be on twitter, there is not one good thing that could come out of it. That's exactly what happened with Del Rio. Jack Del Rio "Likes" of everything Trump did not mesh well in that locker room and the team simply gave up on Del Rio. Players skipping practice without any warning, just not showing up or bothering to call, players not showing up to team meetings. Raiders held a little get together for the team called "Tell the truth Tuesday" which during the season players would be ignoring what Del Rio and other coaches were preaching. Marshawn Lynch rarely attended and when he did he would put his head down and just sleep during them.

There was week 13 when Marshawn Lynch showed up on Tell the Truth Tuesdays with his reality TV film crew. Del Rio informed Lynch he could not film in the room, which is fair but Lynch didn't like it and he left. When players like Bruce Irvin simply decided not to show up on practices on Wednesdays Jack Del Rio came up with an excuse and called it "Woodson Wednesday" which was named after retired Raider Charles Woodson who would rest his body since he was 37 years old at the time. Bruce Irvin just turned 30 in November. He didn't show up because he simply did not want to.

Raiders brought Jack Del Rio in to fix the defense, they already had Carr so the thought was hire a great offense coordinator and Del Rio will have that defense ready to play. Instead, the defense was terrible his entire tenure in Oakland. Del Rio at least had Bill Musgrave in 2016 who got the best out of the talent on the team on offense, but Del Rio decided not to retain Musgrave and went with the QB coach in Todd Downing. The truth is Todd Downing is a good QB coach, but he was never a guy who could draw up plays and it showed big time. Downing had a very close relationship with QB Derek Carr but that relationship went sideways very quickly. Downing's schemes were so erratic and dumbfounding that other coordinators in the NFL would laugh at them in the film room. Downing became yet another coach on this team that the players simply had no respect for. Raiders had talent on offense, yet Downing would never utilize it. One thing Downing, Del Rio and Carr all love is the bible app. Players on the Raiders think Downing and Carr spent more time on the bible App than they did on a playbook.

Raiders also abandoned backup QB's in EJ Manuel and Connor Cook which is bizarre considering Raiders moved up in the draft to select Cook. But Cook often left behind in QB meetings was just an after thought. He was inactive most of the season just like he was in 2016. So when Derek Carr got injured in week 3 with broken bones in his back Raiders had to get EJ Manuel up to speed. The coaches ignored the backups all offseason and during the season now they were counting on Manuel to win them games. Downing gave EJ Manuel 15 plays to run against Baltimore and was told not to take any shots down the field. For all attended purposes Manuel was handcuffed to a scheme that had no big shots down the field and destined to fail. 

Del Rio and Downing rushed Derek Carr back just after 1 week even know Carr was nowhere near healthy but Del Rio did not think Raiders could win with Manuel and Connor Cook would have to be active and this bothered Downing and Del Rio. Nobody really knows why the coaches did not like Cook but it was clear that it was a team divided of factions. The biggest faction made all the decisions, and that was Del Rio, Downing, Carr and Amari Cooper. Khalil Mack used to be in that group but he fell out of favor midway through the season. Some people believe he was not "Christian enough" for the group. Raiders went on to lose game after game, and it was week 6 when WR Michael Crabtree finally said something in front of the team. Crabtree didn't understand why he wasn't getting the ball when he was open so much. Derek Carr sat silent during this, but Del Rio did not. Jack Del Rio in front of the team yelled at Crabtree and told him maybe he would get the ball if he could catch it. The following week 7 against the Chiefs in Oakland Michael Crabtree was targeted only 3 times but in a ironic twist it was Crabtree who would catch the game winning touchdown.

The Raiders would win that game in Kansas City and some thought maybe things would go back to normal, head coach Jack Del Rio even apologized to Michael Crabtree about the scolding but even with the win there was a huge distraction. Marshawn Lynch during the game ran out on the field to help his "cousin" Marcus Peters after Peters hit Derek Carr late. The team was confused, at first they thought Lynch was out there to help them but instead Lynch made it clear that Peters was his priority, not the team. Things got more weird when Lynch after the game left with Peters and Peters laughed at the Raiders team. Raiders may of won the game but Peters knew that team would not like this at all and it would do more damage in the end, he was right. The Raiders players were no fans of Lynch after that game. Carr never liked him and now he had a good reason too. There were chatters that the team wanted Lynch off the team, only Donald Penn was defending him. Which didn't go over well, especially with Michael Crabtree who during the game, Penn told Crabtree to get open more and Crabtree said something back which then the two got into a shoveling match, OL Coach Mike Tice had to separate Penn and Crabtree on the sidelines which was caught on camera and reported on during the game/ . Lynch was banned from practicing with the Raiders after that episode so instead he went and practiced with a high school team which the coaches were not happy about.

The team couldn't cut Lynch and this latest stunt took them by surprise considering Lynch in week 4 seemed like he was actually serious about playing. Lynch had a private meeting with O Line coach Mike Tice, it turned out Lynch did not know hardly any of the protections it was embarrassing for Lynch, Tice sent him home with a playbook. That's highly unusual to give a player a playbook after four games and entire Training camp with the team.

The 2017 season was a complete mess, and the Raiders did not play as a team. Yes, the Washington game was the decline of this team. Even know some saw it coming with Marshawn Lynch signing. About that Washington game. The rumors that  "All black O Line wanted the white QB injured" is false. That simply never happened. But, the rumors still hurt the team and it was in Derek Carr's head. He did not trust Donald Penn anymore, and he also did not trust Rodney Hudson who hardly even speaks to Carr outside of practice. It's very clear on film that after that Washington game Carr does not go through his reads and throws the ball as quickly as he can. Former Raiders QB Rich Gannon said on the radio th athe believes Carr does not trust his O Line. Rich Gannon is on record saying he thinks Carr simply does not trust his teammates, and it might be a Carr problem. Carr not necessarily having a Type-A or in-your-face personality will have to be addressed, Gannon said. "I really believe you've got to be more demanding of your teammates, and you've got to hold them to a higher standard," Gannon said he told Carr. "They lack a sense of identity on offense. More importantly, they don't have execution. They don't have precision, the attention to detail.

Now the 2017 season is over. It's time for Gruden to clean up the mess. Hopefully, the Carr is not 100% totaled.

Link:http://www.theraidersdaily.com/2018/01/lets-air-out-dirty-raiders-laundry-and.html

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My thoughts:

Apparently Del Rio was more clueless then he appeared. a) You don't bring politics into the locker if you want a cohesive team. b) You tone down the religious beliefs if you want a cohesive locker room.

Lynch has gotta go. I do not think he was really committed to the Raiders. I am not just saying this because of this report. I saw him pull himself out of every game multiple times. He is a distraction.

The are lots of reports that Crabtree is going to be cut. Unless they bring in an upgrade I think that would be a mistake. They do not have a lot of depth or talent at the position. 

In hindsight, letting Musgrave go was a huge mistake.

 
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32 Counter Pass said:
The writing on that is brutal. Much of that rings true even though the sourcing of it is less than confidence inspiring.

For the stuff where Del Rio lost the team and lost control of it, I have no worries at all that those are things with Gruden that will not happen. Gruden is consumed with football and is very no nonsense approach.

Lynch needs to go. His baggage he brings does not outweigh his ability anymore and plus we need the money. When he was on the field, the offense seemed even less dynamic to me than when Washington or Richard was in and that is impressive being the offense struggled to look at all dynamic.

I think the religion thing was over played in this article as was the comment about the 'bible app' but I think it might have spoken to perceived or real divisions. You can't tell me that the only passionate Christians on the team were Del Rio, Downing, Carr and Cooper but Mack use to be but then was kicked out for not being Christian enough. That whole thing screams to me (if real) to be about power structure and perhaps other issues.

Also something that seems to be misplaced to me is the Carr didn't trust his line and threw as fast as he could. I don't think that was about trust in the line as it was trust in the piss poor system. Even from my novice eyes the offensive system was bland. If anything rings true in this write up it is about how Downing may be a great QB coach but horrible OC and was laughed at for his schemes. No, Musgrave should never have been let go and if anyone should have been changed heading into the season it would have been needing a new DC.

Gruden had (has?) a chubby for Cook. So, whatever happened or didn't happen before with him, Gruden will give him every chance to be a good back up for Carr.

 
I read that article yesterday too. First thing that comes to my mind is that something definitely happened before/during the Washington game. Whatever it was, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, we'll never know. I don't buy the Oline didn't want to block for Carr and that Hudson hardly ever spoke to him, that's ridiculous.  I've seen numerous photos of Carr, Hudson and KO laughing it up at the Pro Bowl festivities, so I don't buy it. 

As for Lynch, he needs to go, it was a publicity stunt. And to me it's no coincidence that after his little sideline dance everything went downhill. 

 
Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer
Per source, the Raiders are hiring Brian Callahan as their new quarterbacks coach. Ex-Lions QBs coach also interviewed with Titans and Jets.

 
How does this crap even happen

Grown men acting like this ...so unprofessional 

Cant see half of them responding positively to Grudens intensity and demanding ways  

 
I doubt that all the dirt that is coming out now is true but I'm certain that negative events did occur.  Something had to happen to put the Raiders in a tailspin.  The team looked disinterested all season.  The most frustrating part was watching a talented O struggle mightily. 

This team needs a HC that can lead and get this team to be unified.  It also needs some vets and key players like Carr and Mack to be leaders.   It's going to be interesting to see how many players Gruden has to cast off to get a true team.   

 
Cant see half of them responding positively to Grudens intensity and demanding ways  
People initially said the same thing about Carr and Gruden. Carr has debunked this already. 

What people who say this are missing is that the players work very hard all year around. They want, and maybe even crave coaches like Gruden, a coach that is committed and can elevate their game.

 
People initially said the same thing about Carr and Gruden. Carr has debunked this already. 

What people who say this are missing is that the players work very hard all year around. They want, and maybe even crave coaches like Gruden, a coach that is committed and can elevate their game.
Not to be a wet blanket but talk is cheap.

Sincerely hope that Carr backs it up with action.

 
32 Counter Pass said:
People initially said the same thing about Carr and Gruden. Carr has debunked this already. 

What people who say this are missing is that the players work very hard all year around. They want, and maybe even crave coaches like Gruden, a coach that is committed and can elevate their game.
well i did say half...im pretty sure Carr wasnt part of the wrong half

 
I didn't know people still watched that.  
It isn't really a game as there isn't much hard hitting, and you know it's meaningless from all perspectives when the biggest impact play was Brees' kids bashing on each other on the sidelines and getting chewed out by Drew for being on the field.

But Carr not only lit up the Skills competition, he also engineered a come-from-behind victory for the AFC with a nice skinny post to Delanie Walker. Was pretty impressive, and done in some cruddy weather.

All that to say: for all the Carr haters? The guy is obviously for real.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
It isn't really a game as there isn't much hard hitting, and you know it's meaningless from all perspectives when the biggest impact play was Brees' kids bashing on each other on the sidelines and getting chewed out by Drew for being on the field.

But Carr not only lit up the Skills competition, he also engineered a come-from-behind victory for the AFC with a nice skinny post to Delanie Walker. Was pretty impressive, and done in some cruddy weather.

All that to say: for all the Carr haters? The guy is obviously for real.
Carr is the least of my worries as a raider fan.  

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
It isn't really a game as there isn't much hard hitting, and you know it's meaningless from all perspectives when the biggest impact play was Brees' kids bashing on each other on the sidelines and getting chewed out by Drew for being on the field.

But Carr not only lit up the Skills competition, he also engineered a come-from-behind victory for the AFC with a nice skinny post to Delanie Walker. Was pretty impressive, and done in some cruddy weather.

All that to say: for all the Carr haters? The guy is obviously for real.
If the o line can keep pressure on Carr at a pro bowl (game) level next year we'll be sitting pretty 

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
It isn't really a game as there isn't much hard hitting, and you know it's meaningless from all perspectives when the biggest impact play was Brees' kids bashing on each other on the sidelines and getting chewed out by Drew for being on the field.

But Carr not only lit up the Skills competition, he also engineered a come-from-behind victory for the AFC with a nice skinny post to Delanie Walker. Was pretty impressive, and done in some cruddy weather.

All that to say: for all the Carr haters? The guy is obviously for real.
After fumbling away a trip to a championship (which I would have won handily), I will forever hate carr. I could have had one of those sweet championship rings with a certificate!

 
The purge begins (per Rotoworld):

Raiders released CB David Amerson.

The move is not a surprise, but it was a disappointing one after the Raiders gave Amerson a five-year, $34 million deal before the 2016 season. Amerson went right in the tank, only starting 21 games over the next two years and getting progressively worse whenever he suited up. As T.J. Carrie is a free agent, the Raiders are left with Sean Smith, Gareon Conley, and Dexter McDonald atop their cornerback depth chart. They need to try to keep Carrie after a breakout year at slot corner.

Source: Field Yates on Twitter

Feb 5 - 5:38 PM

 
I'd never heard this before...in an oral history story about Belichick:

Amy Trask (Raiders CEO, 1997-2013): "In 1998 I recommended to Al Davis that we hire Bill as the Raiders head coach. Al decided to go with Jon Gruden, an offensive-minded coach, which surprised no one in the league. But Al liked Bill very much. Bill made it clear he would always tailor his schemes to maximize his players' talents. That's what the best coaches do, the best business people do and the best leaders do: They put their people in the best possible position to succeed. And that's what Bill does. I was always tickled pink years later when Al would say to me, 'Well, you sure can pick a coach, kid.'"

But he bolted Jets for Pats to have total control, something he obviously was never going to get in Oakland.

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/17703210/new-england-patriots-coach-bill-belichick-greatest-enigma-sports

 
The purge begins (per Rotoworld):

Raiders released CB David Amerson.

The move is not a surprise, but it was a disappointing one after the Raiders gave Amerson a five-year, $34 million deal before the 2016 season. Amerson went right in the tank, only starting 21 games over the next two years and getting progressively worse whenever he suited up. As T.J. Carrie is a free agent, the Raiders are left with Sean Smith, Gareon Conley, and Dexter McDonald atop their cornerback depth chart. They need to try to keep Carrie after a breakout year at slot corner.

Source: Field Yates on Twitter

Feb 5 - 5:38 PM
Cutting Amerson was not surprising. The fact that it comes with no dead money was. McKenzie knows how to do contracts.

 
Bruno2 said:
Must be why he still has a job...
He has put together a talented team. Sure there have been busts on draft/FA decisions but show me a team that doesn't bust here and there. The biggest problem this last year was coaching and if I remember right, Del Rio was a Davis' guy. I am still a McKenzie fan.

 
DocHolliday said:
Surprised at how quickly Amerson went downhill.  
Yea, I suspect Amerson is one of those guys that needs extra motivation and gets lazy. He has talent and showed the ability to put it together before we extended him. Then he just went downhill as you put it. He will get another chance somewhere and I think he might do fairly well.... at least at first.

 
He has put together a talented team. Sure there have been busts on draft/FA decisions but show me a team that doesn't bust here and there. The biggest problem this last year was coaching and if I remember right, Del Rio was a Davis' guy. I am still a McKenzie fan.
I don't think he should lose his job. And yes, I'm aware every GM misses on picks. IMO he is a much better cap strategist than a talent evaluator. 

 
I don't think he should lose his job. And yes, I'm aware every GM misses on picks. IMO he is a much better cap strategist than a talent evaluator. 
I'm very interested to see how the MacKenzie/Gruden talent evaluation partnership develops. Color me hopeful.

And, dang, it seems that 7 out of 10 Mock Drafts have us taking Roquan Smith LB kid and now I'm convinced he's the player for us.

When's the draft again?! ;)

 
He has put together a talented team. Sure there have been busts on draft/FA decisions but show me a team that doesn't bust here and there. The biggest problem this last year was coaching and if I remember right, Del Rio was a Davis' guy. I am still a McKenzie fan.
6 years 0 playoff wins and a roster that is in need of a major talent upgrade and lacks any depth.  IMO Reggie gets way too much praise.

 
And, dang, it seems that 7 out of 10 Mock Drafts have us taking Roquan Smith LB kid and now I'm convinced he's the player for us.

When's the draft again?! ;)
I think RS would be an excellent pick. I know sone folks like what Bowman brings to the position but RS has a gear that Bowman lacks. RS can cover those pesky RBs and TEs that have been killing the defense for years. Best scenario would be draft RS ans sign Bowman. RS can play outside as well.

 
I think RS would be an excellent pick. I know sone folks like what Bowman brings to the position but RS has a gear that Bowman lacks. RS can cover those pesky RBs and TEs that have been killing the defense for years. Best scenario would be draft RS ans sign Bowman. RS can play outside as well.
Yep, I would have no problem re-signing Bowman and then drafting R. Smith. Smith can play on the outside and learn from Bowman maybe put on a few pounds and take over for Bowman in 2 or 3 years. 

So many needs on the defense that we can't really go wrong with a top notch defender with a top 10 pick. LB, DT, CB, S are all areas of need for the moment. Free agency may fill some of those need areas. At the LB position I like both Smith and Edmunds if that is the route the Raiders go during the draft. 

For DB's I like Fitzpatrick, James, Ward, and Jackson. 

I have seen DE Marcus Davenport linked to the Raiders. I don't know how I feel about him though, He is raw with a ton of upside. I don't know if I want a project at that spot or a more sure thing.

For DL I like Chubb (will more than likely be way gone before the Raiders pick), Payne, Hurst, Vea.

 
I don't think he should lose his job. And yes, I'm aware every GM misses on picks. IMO he is a much better cap strategist than a talent evaluator. 
The older I get the more convinced I am that everything is subjective.

He seems to be one of the best at cap. I think he is under rated at talent evaluation. Sure, he has made some big misses but he has hit too. And I think because of the horrible coaching last year it takes shine off of those hits.

 
6 years 0 playoff wins and a roster that is in need of a major talent upgrade and lacks any depth.  IMO Reggie gets way too much praise.
The first few years were cleaning up a huge mess. Apparently your memory is not so good but we were in cap hell with no talent at all on the roster when he came on board. He cleaned that up and started to build.

If not for Carr getting hurt last year and with an offensive system that made sense from an OC that had a clue..... we had a good shot at winning at least against the Texans who we already beat in the season.

Again, I firmly believe the coaching imploded. It was clear that Norton should have been let go.... pretty much everyone saw that. And he continued to show everyone was right in that. Letting Musgrave go to promote Downing was a massive failure. IF that was Reggie's decision then I would be willing to destroy him on that but I think it was more Del Rio. Then Del Rio just let the team turn into a circus and never had a handle on it.

I expect a good solid turn towards the team prior than last year under Gruden as they use the talent on the team. The offense is there- they just need to utilize the talent. The D does not talent but there are some significant pieces already there that are easy to build around.

 

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