LittlePhatty
Footballguy
If 1 - 7 goes like that I'd hope for something like this:
1 - R. Moss
2 - M. Austin
3 - C. Benson
4 - J. Stewart
1 - R. Moss
2 - M. Austin
3 - C. Benson
4 - J. Stewart
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Official Pick Eight Thread (#8---non ppr) (1 Viewer)
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ratbast
Footballguy
I got this team in a mock and would be excited...
1. Randy Moss (NE - WR)
2. Reggie Wayne (Ind - WR)
3. Matt Schaub (Hou - QB)
4. Vernon Davis (SF - TE)
5. Jonathan Stewart (Car - RB)
6. Joseph Addai (Ind - RB)
7. Felix Jones (Dal - RB)
8. Marion Barber (Dal - RB)
9. Donald Brown (Ind - RB)
10. Laurence Maroney (NE - RB)
11. Devin Hester (Chi - WR)
12. Jacoby Jones (Hou - WR)
13. Rob Bironas (Ten - K)
14. Matt Cassel (KC - QB)
15. New England (NE - DEF)
1. Randy Moss (NE - WR)
2. Reggie Wayne (Ind - WR)
3. Matt Schaub (Hou - QB)
4. Vernon Davis (SF - TE)
5. Jonathan Stewart (Car - RB)
6. Joseph Addai (Ind - RB)
7. Felix Jones (Dal - RB)
8. Marion Barber (Dal - RB)
9. Donald Brown (Ind - RB)
10. Laurence Maroney (NE - RB)
11. Devin Hester (Chi - WR)
12. Jacoby Jones (Hou - WR)
13. Rob Bironas (Ten - K)
14. Matt Cassel (KC - QB)
15. New England (NE - DEF)
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Footballguy
As would I. tons of RBs slipped.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
10 or 12 teams?What RBs were there in the 2nd and 4th?
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
What happens when Turner falls to 8, and then on the comeback D-Will is still there along with Calvin Johnson or Reggie Wayne?
In 2QB leagues (and even 1 QB leagues this year) with what Brees and Rogers are projected to produce, I think it is very likely that the 1st 7 picks include a QB along with Andre and the top 5 RBs. Which means that Turner, D-Will, and/or slight possibility of Gore are there at 8.
I think Turner and Gore you take over Moss. Is it too dangerous from this spot, however, to start RB-RB even if the two are Turner and D-Will? I think we'd be gambling on somebody like Steve Smith (CAR) being the WR1 for the team.
First 4 picks could go:
Turner
D-Will
Romo/Shaub?
Steve Smith
I either love it or hate it.
In 2QB leagues (and even 1 QB leagues this year) with what Brees and Rogers are projected to produce, I think it is very likely that the 1st 7 picks include a QB along with Andre and the top 5 RBs. Which means that Turner, D-Will, and/or slight possibility of Gore are there at 8.
I think Turner and Gore you take over Moss. Is it too dangerous from this spot, however, to start RB-RB even if the two are Turner and D-Will? I think we'd be gambling on somebody like Steve Smith (CAR) being the WR1 for the team.
First 4 picks could go:
Turner
D-Will
Romo/Shaub?
Steve Smith
I either love it or hate it.
Instinctive
Footballguy
If you have a flex, your 4th could be Stewart...then you'd have a dominant RB and flex corps, and you could grab an elite TE and then shotgun the WR position with guys like Mike Thomas, Mike Wallace, Welker (6th ADP iirc) Jacoby jones, breaston, CHI guys you like, etc...That's actually a pretty nice plan IMOWhat happens when Turner falls to 8, and then on the comeback D-Will is still there along with Calvin Johnson or Reggie Wayne?In 2QB leagues (and even 1 QB leagues this year) with what Brees and Rogers are projected to produce, I think it is very likely that the 1st 7 picks include a QB along with Andre and the top 5 RBs. Which means that Turner, D-Will, and/or slight possibility of Gore are there at 8.I think Turner and Gore you take over Moss. Is it too dangerous from this spot, however, to start RB-RB even if the two are Turner and D-Will? I think we'd be gambling on somebody like Steve Smith (CAR) being the WR1 for the team. First 4 picks could go:TurnerD-WillRomo/Shaub?Steve SmithI either love it or hate it.
-jb-
Footballguy
It would be real tough to walk away from a Turner/Williams combo, but it would depend on the WRs available. You'd be right on the bubble of getting a WR1 in the third. It MIGHT look something like:
Turner
Williams
Jennings
Ocho
Nicks
You'd have to wait on QB, I would think, in order to hedge your bet a little at WR. Then again, you might miss on a WR1 altogether, in which case I's pull the trigger on QB.
Tough, tough call.
Turner
Williams
Jennings
Ocho
Nicks
You'd have to wait on QB, I would think, in order to hedge your bet a little at WR. Then again, you might miss on a WR1 altogether, in which case I's pull the trigger on QB.
Tough, tough call.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Agreed. That's why I want to see some more mocks and actual draft results to see what WRs are hanging around for the 3/4 mark.
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Footballguy
Rice has been slipping with all of the hip-harvin-favre-a-pa-looza stuff. If you're willing to stick your neck out on that one, he could save you. More risk, though. My gut tells me I would pass on Williams in the second, as hard as that would be.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Yea, I'm not sure what the right play is there. If Jennings, Rice, and/or Steve Smith are there in the 3rd and 4th, I wouldnt mind them if I could get Palmer or Eli in the 5th. Like with everything else, we just have to see how our individual drafts play out. Turner and D-Will is a real possibility at 8 I think though (in 10 team leagues) given the extra value on the top 2 QBs this season and with Andre being a 1st rounder across the board.It reminds me of the season where Peyton and Culpepper were both going extremely high. Lots of value fell that season.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Palmer and Eli are available as late as the 9th a lot of the time...you could definitely get them in the 5th lol.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
2QB league, so things differ some.Having said that, I think if Eli and Palmer are falling that late, then I'd def. feel comfortable going Turner/Williams and then 2 best WRs next in 1QB leagues from the 8. While I doubt Jennings will be there, that'd be a great pick at that spot. And while Steve Smith is a gamble, Matt Moore looked good IMO last night, so I'd be OK with Smith as my #1 or #2.
billyjohnson
Footballguy
Outside of the 2qb league....don't see dwill falling to pick 17.
billyjohnson
Footballguy
Had thoughts of taking Fitz at 17. But after actually watching Leinart play the other day....think I'll pass.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I didn't see the game, but Leinart was 6-7 on some short stuff and completed his only target to Fitz for 16 yards. He took a nasty hit, but it didn't look like a terrible throw to me.I'd have trouble passing on Larry if he fell to the 2.5. I wouldn't be surprised if he sets a career high in targets this season.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I'm warming up more and more to taking Moss in the first and hoping for Manning/Brees/Rodgers in round , or taking Roddy White and hoping for Romo in the 3rd...or taking a WR/RB there and hoping for Brady/Schaub in the 4th...or going Gates/WR/RB there and for the next couple and Kolb in the 7th...
Is the 7th realistic for Kolb?
Is the 7th realistic for Kolb?
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Instinctive said:
I'm thinking along the same lines though. Because we're missing out on the big RBs from this spot it makes more sense in our position to draft for a positional advantage at WR/QB/TE over everyone else. I'm really liking:MossManningPierre ThomasAntonio GatesHakeem NicksMarion BarberJeremy MaclinClinton PortisWhat I love about it is that you've acquired main players from some of the most prolific offenses in the NFL. There are some monster games coming in 2010 for these guys, and I think it's fairly realistic that we can create this foundation from our #8 spot.It seems like we'd really be playing from behind the 8-ball at RB/WR if you take a QB in the first, and if you took a RB in the first you're way behind at WR as well.Going WR/QB and then stud TE in the fourth gives you an edge over most of your league-mates at each of those postions, and taking WR/QB/RB in your first 3 rounds respectively gives you plenty of flexibility for the remainder of your draft or if Gates/Clark go earlier than your fourth round pick.
billyjohnson
Footballguy
It's the noodle arm. When defenses take away Leinart's short throws (and they will take that away), just that extra half second the ball takes to get to his receivers robs them of the chance to juke, slide, duck, or whatever is needed to keep from being blown up. By the way, what happened to the 'train wreck' emoticon?Grahamburn said:billyjohnson said:
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Footballguy
Instinctive
Footballguy
That would be ideal, but you also need a contingency plan for if Manning doesn't fall. I keep mocking it out with Manning in the 2nd if he's gone I shoot for Romo/Brady/Schaub in the 3rd and if theyre gone...well it's a slippery slope that usually ends up with Cutler/Eli/Kolb in the end. I'm not sure if I'm ok with that, in which case you are almost forced to take Romo in round 2 if the big 3 are gone.Instinctive said:
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I'd take Schaub in round 3 before I'd spend that round 2 pick on Romo. If they're all gone in the third then I'd hope for Rivers to fall in round 4. I personally think he'll still put up solid to elite numbers without Vincent Jackson.Who are we looking at in round 2 if the big 3 QBs go before our pick? I'd be hoping for Fitzgerald or Calvin at the 2.5 if I can't land Manning. One of them has to fall I would think. I might take either of them over Manning regardless.If not I might lean toward Miles Austin. I don't quite believe in him, but he is going to be the top target in an explosive offense as well.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I prefer Roddy White in round 2, if he's there. If Calvin fell I might have to think pretty hard, but I see White as one of the most consistently elite producers in the league, and also as one of the only guys with a high ceiling and floor. My tier 1 of WRs this year contains Andre, Moss, White. Three guys typically hit the 215 mark in my league, and I think Roddy joins the best of the best as Matt Ryan progresses more, Turner comes back to open up more man coverage, Douglas becomes an underneath threat, and Michael Jenkins is gone.
Instinctive
Footballguy
So, I drafted tonight, and this is perhaps different, but a reminder that drafts NEVER go as planned. I went in with the Moss and Manning plan.
1QB/2RB/2WR/1Flex/1TE 1/10 rush, 1/15 rec, 0.5 ppr 1/30 pass, 0.5 comp, -0.25 inc, 6 pts all TDs, bonuses at 100 or 300 yards (rush or rec/pass, respectively)
1. Andre Johnson
2. Randy Moss
3. Roddy White
4. Jermichael Finley
5. Kevin Kolb
6. Ahmad Bradshaw
7. C.J. Spiller
8. Donald Brown
9. Mike Williams (TB)
10. Kareem Huggins
11. Bernard Scott
12. Chad Henne
13. Jared Cook Jr.
14. San Fran Def
15. Arizona Def
16. David Buehler
So that was my draft. As soon as I took Andre, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Romo all went, and those guys then took RBs. So I took Moss...then before it got back to me other people had more RBs, Rivers, Schaub, and Brady...and so I got all 3 of my top 3 WRs. QBs went like crazy, and I overhead a team mention "I think I have to take Kolb here or I won't get him" and so I took him. The only other option was Eli at that point.
I almost never draft D's or K's, but Buehler at the end was too good to pass up. I live in Dallas and the local outlook on him is fear and trepidation. I think he'll be great however, and kickers are basically a dime a dozen. ARZ and SFO give me 4 games against STL and 4 more against SEA to pick from. That should work out well.
Cook has 9 weeks to break out until I need him to cover Finley's bye, so I can always go to the WW if he doesn't work out.
ETA: That's all, thought I'd share a real draft instead of all our mocking practices.
1QB/2RB/2WR/1Flex/1TE 1/10 rush, 1/15 rec, 0.5 ppr 1/30 pass, 0.5 comp, -0.25 inc, 6 pts all TDs, bonuses at 100 or 300 yards (rush or rec/pass, respectively)
1. Andre Johnson
2. Randy Moss
3. Roddy White
4. Jermichael Finley
5. Kevin Kolb
6. Ahmad Bradshaw
7. C.J. Spiller
8. Donald Brown
9. Mike Williams (TB)
10. Kareem Huggins
11. Bernard Scott
12. Chad Henne
13. Jared Cook Jr.
14. San Fran Def
15. Arizona Def
16. David Buehler
So that was my draft. As soon as I took Andre, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Romo all went, and those guys then took RBs. So I took Moss...then before it got back to me other people had more RBs, Rivers, Schaub, and Brady...and so I got all 3 of my top 3 WRs. QBs went like crazy, and I overhead a team mention "I think I have to take Kolb here or I won't get him" and so I took him. The only other option was Eli at that point.
I almost never draft D's or K's, but Buehler at the end was too good to pass up. I live in Dallas and the local outlook on him is fear and trepidation. I think he'll be great however, and kickers are basically a dime a dozen. ARZ and SFO give me 4 games against STL and 4 more against SEA to pick from. That should work out well.
Cook has 9 weeks to break out until I need him to cover Finley's bye, so I can always go to the WW if he doesn't work out.
ETA: That's all, thought I'd share a real draft instead of all our mocking practices.
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joey
Footballguy
Just got the 8 slot in my long time work league.
Like others, I'm thinking grabbing one of gore, turner, aj or moss in the 1st.
Depending on who I get in the first, Id go with either White, Fitz or maybe S Greene in the 2nd.
I like the RBs that I'm seeing in mocks in the 3rd and 4th rounds, especially Addai in the 4th.
I'm really hoping one of Benson or Grant make it back to me in the 3rd but not holding my breath
so I expect to take either the best avail WR (if I have an RB already) or Id probably be looking at
Thomas/Wells/McCoy/Stewart in the 3rd.
Almost always go RB in the 5th as well, especially if Best is there.
I like waiting on QB in the mocks I've done though Romo in the 3rd is enticing if he's there.
Been getting Kolb or Cutler if I take a QB in the 6th. Sometimes I wait to be the last to draft a QB
and match up Eli and McNabb in the 7th/8th
I'm not totally bummed by the 8 slot but, man, it's a lot of work
Like others, I'm thinking grabbing one of gore, turner, aj or moss in the 1st.
Depending on who I get in the first, Id go with either White, Fitz or maybe S Greene in the 2nd.
I like the RBs that I'm seeing in mocks in the 3rd and 4th rounds, especially Addai in the 4th.
I'm really hoping one of Benson or Grant make it back to me in the 3rd but not holding my breath
so I expect to take either the best avail WR (if I have an RB already) or Id probably be looking at
Thomas/Wells/McCoy/Stewart in the 3rd.
Almost always go RB in the 5th as well, especially if Best is there.
I like waiting on QB in the mocks I've done though Romo in the 3rd is enticing if he's there.
Been getting Kolb or Cutler if I take a QB in the 6th. Sometimes I wait to be the last to draft a QB
and match up Eli and McNabb in the 7th/8th
I'm not totally bummed by the 8 slot but, man, it's a lot of work
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Ultimate Survivor draft last night, QBs were going like crazy, even at 1 PPR for RB/WR and 1.5 PPR for TEs. 6 pt TD passes drove it.
I had the 3 slot and Manning went at #7, Rodgers at #9 and Brees at #11. Schaub went at 2.9 and I thought about Romo at 2.10 but decided to wait since DeAngelo Williams was still out there. Romo ended up going at 2.12. Brady went at 3.8 (thought about him at 3.2 but Ryan Grant had a better VBD) and Rivers at 4.8. I ended up drafting Eli at 7.3 and Alex Smith at 9.3.
I had the 3 slot and Manning went at #7, Rodgers at #9 and Brees at #11. Schaub went at 2.9 and I thought about Romo at 2.10 but decided to wait since DeAngelo Williams was still out there. Romo ended up going at 2.12. Brady went at 3.8 (thought about him at 3.2 but Ryan Grant had a better VBD) and Rivers at 4.8. I ended up drafting Eli at 7.3 and Alex Smith at 9.3.
Timmay
Footballguy
I have the 8th pick in a Start 2 QB league, its a keeper league but can only keep players after round 2, so most every 1st rounder will be there besides Ray Rice.
Do i dare go with a QB at pick #8. (12 team league, Longer TD's get more points.)
Im thinking the top 7 picks look like this (no specific order): (by the way im keeping Shone Greene and Ahmad Bradshaw
C. Johnson
A. Peterson
M. Jones-Drew
F. Gore
A. Johnson
M. Turner
Brees, Rodgers, or Manning
Do i dare go with a QB at pick #8. (12 team league, Longer TD's get more points.)
Im thinking the top 7 picks look like this (no specific order): (by the way im keeping Shone Greene and Ahmad Bradshaw
C. Johnson
A. Peterson
M. Jones-Drew
F. Gore
A. Johnson
M. Turner
Brees, Rodgers, or Manning
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Wow, QB craziness... I can see why though. That scoring is very QB friendly. If Kolb hits and one of those RBs breaks out you'll be sitting pretty considering the WRs you're going to run out there every week. Kareem Huggins and Bernard Scott stand out as major reaches to me. Just a gut feeling? You're banking on an injury, and both of those guys likely would have ended up on your waiver wire in a 16 round draft.What RBs were available at your 4th and 5th round picks?I'll be ecstatic with my choices in round two if four QBs go before my pick.
Instinctive
Footballguy
At a certain point in a draft, my philosophy is to take guys who have a chance at being startable at some point. There's no reason to take Derrick Ward, IMO, because I think he won't start, isn't good, and could be cut. That makes Huggins the #2, and Caddy's not exactly awesome either.
RB was pretty thin by my 4th and 5th round picks. Arian Foster was gone, Michael Bush was gone (I was pissed he was sniped right before me), Portis was gone---14 teams legitimately thinned the talent quicker. I feel like Scott and Huggins and BJGE (immediately added him for Cook after draft) all have shots at being guys who start for their teams and for me. Forsett got sniped in the 7th as well...but I feel like I wouldn't have had Spiller come back anyway if he hadn't been.
There's no reason to take olden Tate or Julius Jones, because I don't think I would ever start them. After I fill out a backup or so at each position, I feel like you just gotta start grabbing some lottery tickets. Last year my starters all hit so it didn't matter, but the year before these lottery guys were CJ4.24, DeSean, Slaton, DWill, and Hightower. All great picks.
So hopefull yit works out, if not...I have the top 3 WRs in my rankings. My entire first tier. SO against some people's WR2, I am starting THE WR2. Same at flex.
RB was pretty thin by my 4th and 5th round picks. Arian Foster was gone, Michael Bush was gone (I was pissed he was sniped right before me), Portis was gone---14 teams legitimately thinned the talent quicker. I feel like Scott and Huggins and BJGE (immediately added him for Cook after draft) all have shots at being guys who start for their teams and for me. Forsett got sniped in the 7th as well...but I feel like I wouldn't have had Spiller come back anyway if he hadn't been.
There's no reason to take olden Tate or Julius Jones, because I don't think I would ever start them. After I fill out a backup or so at each position, I feel like you just gotta start grabbing some lottery tickets. Last year my starters all hit so it didn't matter, but the year before these lottery guys were CJ4.24, DeSean, Slaton, DWill, and Hightower. All great picks.
So hopefull yit works out, if not...I have the top 3 WRs in my rankings. My entire first tier. SO against some people's WR2, I am starting THE WR2. Same at flex.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I didn't realize it was a 14-teamer, and I'm extremely surprised that all 3 of those WRs made it to you in a .5 PPR. Nice job.
Hopefully you hit on a couple of your RBs.
Hopefully you hit on a couple of your RBs.
Rick James
Footballguy
This happened to me last year at the 7 spot. DWill was ther at 7, so I took him and planned on taking an elite WR on the way back, but they were gone and SJax was there. So I took him. The WRs went FAST. So I zigged while everyone else zagged, and drafted Aaron Rodgers in the 3rd, and started stockpiling a ton of WRs. I ended up with a team that looked like:
QB- Rodgers, Schaub (uh, hello!)
RB- Deangelo Williams
RB- Steven Jackson
WR- TJ Housh
WR- Brandon Marshall (had to take a shot at him in the 6th)
WR- someone else who didn't last long on my team
TE- whatever
I got lucky and was able to turn Rodgers into Calvin-- didn't pan out great, but I still made the playoffs.
If you go Turner/Williams, you have to accept the fact that your BEST case scenario is going to be Sidney Rice/Welker/OchoCinco @ WR1. Greg Jennings never makes it past early 3rd round. Bolden and Colston are gone too.
I'd take a shot at Brady if the's there at 3, and BPA after that.
Brady, Turner, Deangelo Williams would be pretty nice.
billyjohnson
Footballguy
Instinctive--
Awesome wrs, rbs would scare me---but team should definitely be in the running for a title. Now that you've had a few days to digest...anything you would do differently if given the chance? Maybe take a qb at one?
Awesome wrs, rbs would scare me---but team should definitely be in the running for a title. Now that you've had a few days to digest...anything you would do differently if given the chance? Maybe take a qb at one?
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Instinctive
Footballguy
I would have taken Schaub in round 2, knowing now that White was falling to me in the 3rd. Still Finley, but in the 5th I could have taken Bush an still gotten Bradshaw in the 6th, Spiller in the 7th.
Then again, Kolb and Andre outscore Schaub and Bush probably...and I'm starting all of those guys anyway. The other guy's DD rated me with the highest starter points in spite of the RB stuff
Then again, Kolb and Andre outscore Schaub and Bush probably...and I'm starting all of those guys anyway. The other guy's DD rated me with the highest starter points in spite of the RB stuff
billyjohnson
Footballguy
I'm starting to like Donald Brown more and more. Guy could get 45% of the carries regardless...and if Addai WERE to get injured...would be RB1 material.
Instinctive
Footballguy
God I hope so. I had him last year and he literally sat on the bench the whole year. Never cut. Never started. Just bench.And now he's on my team again. Although I did win it all last year, so maybe he's good luck. I think I may just have to be "that guy" who hopes for an Addai injury.
gnarboots11
Footballguy
Moss will be a huge bust and stroll off to the sunset any year now and I would rather be 2 years too early than a year too late on that. Much like Jerry Buss traded Shaq when he still had something in the tank before he lost it all and was a joke of a player like he is now. I wouldn't touch Moss, I won't ever touch moss, the upside is not there. Same goes with Brady. Romo has way more upside than Brady and they are drafted around the same place.
Instinctive
Footballguy
The upside isn't there? The only 2 WRs in the same stratosphere of talent as Moss are TO and Jerry Rice. Both had OUTSTANDING seasons at his age. Brady's not that old for a QB.Last year Moss put up a WR2 finish, iirc. He had injuries, Brady had just gotten back from a torn ACL, and they were obviously rusty. And he STILL went out and put up double digit TDs and finished 2nd among all WRs. In a terrible year! What's out there that isn't to like? I would actually not be surprised if he challenged 20 TDs this year. I don't expect it, but it definitely would not surprise me.
gnarboots11
Footballguy
So you say he had injuries last season and he's a year older now? hmmmm. So you think he will have an injury free season and put up 20td's this year? That is some high expectations. Randy Moss is more likely to have a serious injury this season than put up 20 td's. The clock is ticking for this dude and I don't wanna be the one holding him when the ticking time bomb goes BOOM! Like I said I'd rather be off him a year or two too early then be the one holding him on his final huge bust of a season. It's coming, r u willing to take the risk? Not me, there's others out there with just as big upside and not as big of a risk.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Please read when things say "would not surprise" as it is very different from "expect." And I took him in round 2, so apparently I am willing. He's literally one of the top 2 most talented guys EVER at his position, still in great shape, and his QB is now a full year removed from recovery and with another offseason of chemistry. What happened the last time Tom Brady and Randy Moss shared an offseason? Oh, that's right...records happened.With Welker looking good but still potentially unable to take up as many catches as in the past...Moss could actually get MORE targets. Age is overstated for WRs anyway, especially the really special ones. I wouldn't be surprised (READ: different from "expect") if Moss played at a high level until 40.
joey
Footballguy
I think Shon Greene has a very good chance at a top 10 RB finish with that amazing o line and the dedication to the run game.
Am I crazy to just grab him at 8th overall since I think the odds a great that, at the end of August/early Sept, he doesn't make it past the turn.
Then hope to grab a guy like Roddy White in the 2nd.
I started Moss/Greene/Grant in a recent FFC mock but I think I'd be dreaming to think that that would actually happen in a real draft.
Talk me off the ledge
Am I crazy to just grab him at 8th overall since I think the odds a great that, at the end of August/early Sept, he doesn't make it past the turn.
Then hope to grab a guy like Roddy White in the 2nd.
I started Moss/Greene/Grant in a recent FFC mock but I think I'd be dreaming to think that that would actually happen in a real draft.
Talk me off the ledge
-jb-
Footballguy
I don't think you're dreaming. I think it's quite possible. I guess it depends on how you feel about the potential plan Bs of DeAngelo, Mathews, or Grant.I think Shon Greene has a very good chance at a top 10 RB finish with that amazing o line and the dedication to the run game. Am I crazy to just grab him at 8th overall since I think the odds a great that, at the end of August/early Sept, he doesn't make it past the turn. Then hope to grab a guy like Roddy White in the 2nd.I started Moss/Greene/Grant in a recent FFC mock but I think I'd be dreaming to think that that would actually happen in a real draft. Talk me off the ledge
Rick James
Footballguy
I don't think I've ever had a moch draft where Greene wasn't there at 2.5
Grahamburn
Footballguy
That's laughable. You saw Randy Moss' upside in 2007. In his two seasons with Tom Brady in New England Moss has averaged 90 receptions, 1,378 yards, and 18 TDs. He also averaged 15.2 yards per catch in both of those seasons, so it's not like he "lost a step" in 2009. It's been noted in several threads that Brady's timing was off last year and he missed Moss on at least 6 sure TDs.
I'm very intrigued to know which players have the same upside as Randy Moss with less risk.
It seems like your argument is that you don't want to be the one left holding the bag when Moss' production slips? I'm not really sure that's valid. I wouldn't want to be the guy passing on him when he probably has 1 or 2 more monster seasons left.He's an elite WR, with an elite QB, in an offense that is going to throw the ball like crazy until the clock is 00:00.
He just finished WR2 with 1,264 yards and 13 TDs in what many considered a bust season. Brady has had a year to recover, they've been able to work together on their timing throughout the offseason, and I think the Patriots are playing with a chip on their shoulder.
Avoid Randy Moss at your own risk.
joey
Footballguy
And I've done over a dozen mocks from the 8 slot and he's gone between the 1.08 and 2.05 around half the time. So where does that leave us?I guess what I have to decide is would I be happier starting the draft with Moss and Matthewsor Greene and White. Both WRs have consistent top 10 finishes on their resume and both RBshave the /potential/ of top 10 seasons but with little or no history to prove it. Wait, did I just convince myself to start WR/WR and then see what RBs drop to me in the 3rd and 4th?
Like I said earlier, it sure feels like a lot of work drafting from the 8 slot this year. Give me a 1-4 pick andI feel like I'd cruise thru the draft without a care in the world.
-jb-
Footballguy
I would take Moss and Mathews. Not only do you get far more upside with Moss than White, you also put yourself in position to grab Greene in the event he DOES fall. Win/win.And I've done over a dozen mocks from the 8 slot and he's gone between the 1.08 and 2.05 around half the time. So where does that leave us?I guess what I have to decide is would I be happier starting the draft with Moss and Matthewsor Greene and White. Both WRs have consistent top 10 finishes on their resume and both RBshave the /potential/ of top 10 seasons but with little or no history to prove it. Wait, did I just convince myself to start WR/WR and then see what RBs drop to me in the 3rd and 4th?
gnarboots11
Footballguy
If im going to take a RB who can potentially be vultured, share carries, or is a rookie and might be a bust like Mathews or Greene why not wait like 5 rounds later and draft Arian Foster. I really thing Greene, Mathews and Beanie Wells are getting way too much hype nowadays and getting overdrafted. I wouldn't touch them in round 2, you are crazy and asking for a bust of a fantasy season. If you end up with White and Mathews in the first 2 rounds, holy moley, your fantasy season is over unless some how you get blessed with extreme luck.
joey
Footballguy
Agreed. My rankings for the top 8 are pretty set now at: ADP,CJ,MJD,RR, Gore, Turner, AJ, Mossbaring an injury, so I'm pretty set now on what I'll do with my first pick. The really tough decisionis taking another stud WR in the 2nd, chancing what RBs make it back to you in the 3rd and 4th.But I see Addai in the 4th more often than not and I love that value for an rb2, so it's mostlywhat rb I can get at the 3.08. Current ADP says one of Moreno/Wells/McCoy/Thomas/Stewart. Whereas ADP has WRs like the Smiths/Ochocino/Boldin/SRice/Crabtree at the same 3.08 spot. Gonna have to run the numbers on some of the potential combos...I would take Moss and Mathews. Not only do you get far more upside with Moss than White, you also put yourself in position to grab Greene in the event he DOES fall. Win/win.And I've done over a dozen mocks from the 8 slot and he's gone between the 1.08 and 2.05 around half the time. So where does that leave us?I guess what I have to decide is would I be happier starting the draft with Moss and Matthewsor Greene and White. Both WRs have consistent top 10 finishes on their resume and both RBshave the /potential/ of top 10 seasons but with little or no history to prove it. Wait, did I just convince myself to start WR/WR and then see what RBs drop to me in the 3rd and 4th?
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
100% of drafts I've done of late have had Brees, Rodgers, and Manning all go off the board between 1.9 and 2.4. You cannot plan on taking one of those three guys with pick 2.5. Between 2.6 and 3.7, Schaub, Romo, and Brady have also all been taken in 100% of drafts. So, you cannot plan on going QB in rds 3/4 unless you're comfortable with Favre or Rivers, both of whom will be gone by 5.8.
So, what do you guys think is the best strategy here?
1 - Take your top QB at 1.8.
2 - Reach for Romo, Schaub, or Brady at 2.5.
3 - Wait until the 3rd, see if Rivers and Favre are both still available. Since 3 teams behind you already took QBs, wait until round 4 and grab whichever of those two guys is left.
4 - Wait until round 5 or 6 and put together a QBBC with Manning, Cutler, Palmer, etc. paired with a guy like Alex Smith, Roethlisberger, etc.
So, what do you guys think is the best strategy here?
1 - Take your top QB at 1.8.
2 - Reach for Romo, Schaub, or Brady at 2.5.
3 - Wait until the 3rd, see if Rivers and Favre are both still available. Since 3 teams behind you already took QBs, wait until round 4 and grab whichever of those two guys is left.
4 - Wait until round 5 or 6 and put together a QBBC with Manning, Cutler, Palmer, etc. paired with a guy like Alex Smith, Roethlisberger, etc.
