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You can't really argue that many high-ranking Democrats don't have a certain disdain (or at least dismissal) for people who work what they consider menial jobs. I mean, so do Republicans, but Democrats have been largely terrible at explaining that over the last decade or so.
Jesus can you get down off that cross a second. You JUST condescendingly told a poster he was "better than this." Every example of ##### condescending behavior you guys complain about is something you do AT LEAST as often.And now we get lectured on how to have a worthwhile conversation.
Would just like to point out that you didn't actually say that. I agree that's a very strong possibility and there are good reasons for feeling that way. But when I asked for what could have become this answer, you just said "you're better than this" and acted like kind of a jerk.I did give my logic. The majority of the public supports gay marriage and with that I don't think it will ever be brought before the Supreme Court again. That is my belief. If that answer isn't good enough than tough ####. I am in your corner on this yet some of you still want to argue about it.
Kennedy was in the majority on gay marriage and abortion. Doesn't have to be a liberal justice that dies or retires.
have you listened to them talk? many many interviews and talk shows and news stories ....showing entire towns with all the mills closed...am i missing something? seems the election results show this to be true
The bigger threat, just as with abortion, is when you weaken federal power to enforce these rights and strengthen state power to resist them.
Sure, I can argue that. Perhaps they haven't paid quite as much attention to them as they should have from both a moral and political perspective, but that doesn't amount to disdain or even really dismissal.
Could you link to some of these interviews or whatever where people you consider "elite dems" are trashing working people or referring to them as deplorable?
Sigh. People want to think their government is working for them, not trying to out-mode their jobs (Paris) or ship them abroad (TPP).
Dude its my opinion based on what i see and read...i mean i get that fake news is ruling the day lately but a whole demographic feels this way ...look around ...are you just in denial ? ive seen many interviews with former democrats that voted for trump this year because of the way the dem leaders have neglected them ...thats all i have to say on this matter
But don't we hear from both sides that all politicians make promises they can't keep.
Like the last president.....and the one before that.....and the one before that.....and the one before that.
The root of the problem is the unbalanced distributional effects of technology and trade. Democrats can probably figure out policies to address those without backpedaling to protectionist trade ideas. We talk about some of them all the time on here.
It is more acceptable than ever to smugly make fun of poor people born in the South, the Rust Belt, the Corn Belt, etc. Especially those working on farms, in factories, in mines, and doing other manual labor. And it's not helping anyone.
No, they're supposed to put forth attractive policies that will provide attractive employment opportunities.
"Voted down Trump because they felt neglected" is not the same as "neglected." And neglect is not remotely close to having an attitude that they are "deplorable.," which is what you said.
I couldn't agree with you more, and by appointing Tillerson as secretary of state who openly pushed equality for homosexuals speaks volumes to the tolerance and fairness of the Trump administration.
Wouldn't his pick for Attorney General (you know the position tasked with protecting gays' civil rights) be more probative? What's Jeff Sessions' record on gay rights?
What basis do you have to say this? Anyway, I disagree. IMO ten years ago was a lot more acceptable to smugly make fun of people for ANY perceived differences in circumstance than it is now- race, religion, sexual orientation, class, geography, whatever.
I don't think the Trump voters in the Rust Belt really expect Trump to be able guarantee their jobs, they just want to know the government is working for them not against them. The Democrats have made a mistake in moving from their traditional labor base towards the new energy economy.
Can we at least agree that the general feeling of higher-income Democrats is that poor white people who have contributed to Trump's rise are to some extent "rising up" against the loss of their "white privilege"? And that there shouldn't be any sympathy for the loss of that privilege?
Yes you are, and you are bad at math. 65 million Clinton voters is not the majority of a ~325 million population.
I think the most important thing is to recognize that these don't need to be mutually exclusive.
http://www.advocate.com/politicians/2016/12/11/trumps-expected-secretary-state-pick-worries-lgbt-activists
Man are you lazy. Look it up if you don't know. It is so typical of the left to want everyone else to do their work for them.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/09/the-original-underclass/492731/
1. Your link, like Republican fiscal policy, doesn't work;
Nah, we're back to laughing at Trump's idiocy.
That's cool. How about his pick for Attorney General, who would actually be responsible for enforcing equal protection here at home?
Barely even noticeable compared to the volume of begging the question, straw men, and ad hominem attacks from the conservatives here.
That's sort of a narrow definition though. I mean Discovery glorifies gold miners, people living off the grid in Alaska, numerous types of fishermen, and moonshiners while History Channel has American Pickers, American Restoration...you get the point. I think the right in general has this romanticised view of farmers that isn't the reality anymore. Yeah the "factory worker" or "farmer" isn't memorialized in film, but they never were. Instead we get reality shows on motorcycle mechanics or Ax Men. I'd argue the vast majority of these shows put the people in them in a pretty good light (well besides the Duck Dynasty guys). Hell if anything these types of manual labor jobs have been put in a much better light in the past 10 years by these TV networks.
Do they, though? Because the experience I have with the gold miners and people living off the grid in Alaska is watching them on The Soup last year being made fun of. I mean, I don't know how many people are thinking "what a beautiful life" as opposed to "look at that insane weirdo punch a fish" or "how many times do you think they'll say 'glory hole' tonight?"That's sort of a narrow definition though. I mean Discovery glorifies gold miners, people living off the grid in Alaska, numerous types of fishermen, and moonshiners while History Channel has American Pickers, American Restoration...you get the point. I think the right in general has this romanticised view of farmers that isn't the reality anymore. Yeah the "factory worker" or "farmer" isn't memorialized in film, but they never were. Instead we get reality shows on motorcycle mechanics or Ax Men. I'd argue the cast majority of these shows put the people in them in a pretty good light (well besides the Duck Dynasty guys). Hell if anything these types of manual labor jobs have been put in a much better light in the past 10 years by these TV networks.
I think it's telling that neither article contains any decent examples of liberals being "smugly dismissive" of working class Americans. THe second one just conflates "conservatives" with working glass white Americans. They're not the same thing.
I think the networks portray the vast majority of these people quite fairly. Granted, whatever prejudices people have going into the show do influence how they are consume them, but I'm pretty damned impressed by most of these people (Todd notwithstanding). Yeah the dopey are dopey, but that's true in any line of work. You can't tell me they don't portray the Alaskan fishermen as noble or almost every person they go to in American Pickers as interesting.
