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Time to start cracking skulls. These protesters are the problem. They are low IQ clowns. Listening to one of these idiots on CNN. What an embarrassment that loser is.

 
An 8 year reign for Trump will have the Republicans in control of the Supreme Court for at least 30 years, probably to be even longer.  It will be 7-2 before he leaves office, a huge advantage.  It will be interesting to see how so much power on one side will play out.  

 
Make no mistake. This election hinged on race. White people are who won this for Trump. Like it or not, a big chunk of white people are tired of all the reverse racism. Sorry, but truth hurts. I think it's odd that the media is not tackling this head on. 

 
Walking Boot said:
The white people that shifted to Trump voted Obama twice. Look at the swing state counties he won. 
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Did 100% of people vote in those counties?

Assuming not, I think it's every bit as likely that enthused Obama supporters stayed home for meh Hillary in some of the same places where enthused Trump supporters came out that had previously stayed home for meh Romney.

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
--Build a wall on the Mexican border and make Mexico pay for it
--Deport 11m undocumented immigrants
--Tear up NAFTA
--Tear up nuclear agreement with Iran
--Get rid of ISIS, quickly
--Ban Muslims from entering the US
--$1 trillion to rebuild US infrastructure
--Repeal Obamacare
--Put Hillary Clinton in prison
--Impose tariffs on Chinese and Mexican goods
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Man it's gonna rough when the reality of governing sets in. 

 
On the left wing sites I visit I'm seeing a lot of old ninnies clutching at pearls about what Trump's SC pick will mean to things like Gay Marriage and other stuff like Abortion.

People need to remember that whoever it is will be taking over for Scalia, who for the most part pushed the needle pretty far right.  It's not like this was a 5-4 liberal majority court that now suddenly will have the "tables turned".

 
People are still missing the point for the most part.

Big urban sprawls with vast poverty stricken folks who rely on the Fed Govt for stuff vote in masses for the DNC in the decaying inner cities...people were and are tired of those folks. 

So we elected a guy from the sticks...of Park Ave.

 
So were these "Not our President" protesters shocked when Trump declined to say he would accept the election results. 

 
Statorama said:
On the left wing sites I visit I'm seeing a lot of old ninnies clutching at pearls about what Trump's SC pick will mean to things like Gay Marriage and other stuff like Abortion.

People need to remember that whoever it is will be taking over for Scalia, who for the most part pushed the needle pretty far right.  It's not like this was a 5-4 liberal majority court that now suddenly will have the "tables turned".
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Speaking from my personal perspective, a lot of the pain of this election is about what could have been.  The Supreme Court has been right-leaning my entire life.  Not to be crass, but the day Scalia died, it felt for me like the day I had been waiting for forever was finally here.  A left-leaning Supreme Court.  And then Republicans chose Trump to be their nominee, and I felt as if he was such a self-evidently awful candidate that Democrats were assured the Presidency, which meant that the left-leaning Supreme Court would be preserved, probably for the next 20 years or so if Ginsburg and Breyer retired during Hillary's administration.  Hell, the left-lean might even get more pronounced and long-lasting if Justice Kennedy got too old or the rumors about Justice Thomas wanting to retire came true.  This was my thinking for the past full year -- optimism about a Court I had been wanting forever, and virtual certainty that it was going to happen. 

And just to give some insight into my priorities, I take this stuff really seriously (probably too seriously according to most).  When someone put up that poll a few weeks ago about whether you would rather have your candidate elected or your favorite team win the championship, I thought it was the most absurd question ever.  If someone offered me today the opportunity to change last Tuesday's election in exchange for getting rid of all professional and intercollegiate sports entirely for the rest of my life, I'd make that trade in a heartbeat.  Not even close.

Anyway, in the span of a couple hours on Tuesday, those dreams were totally ripped away and replaced with the scenario where it's likely that the Court will remain right-leaning for the next 20 years at least, if Justice Kennedy and Thomas decide to retire and get replaced with young justices.  And it has the potential to get even worse if Ginsburg and/or Breyer aren't healthy enough to stay on the Court until the next Democratic President.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Anyway, in the span of a couple hours on Tuesday, those dreams were totally ripped away and replaced with the scenario where it's likely that the Court will remain right-leaning for the next 20 years at least, if Justice Kennedy and Thomas decide to retire and get replaced with young justices.  And it has the potential to get even worse if Ginsburg and/or Breyer aren't healthy enough to stay on the Court until the next Democratic President.
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If it buoy's you any, it's far more likely that Trump picks an Anthony Kennedy type than a Scalia type.  While you're not going to get some mindless "I vote left on everything" drone like Sotomayor or that Barney Rubble looking chick, you may still get someone that actually looks at the case on it's merits and doesn't automatically agree with one side of the court or the other.

 
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Statorama said:
If it buoy's you any, it's far more likely that Trump picks an Anthony Kennedy type than a Scalia type.  While you're not going to get some mindless "I vote left on everything" drone like Sotomayor or that Barney Rubble looking chick, you may still get someone that actually looks at the case on it's merits and doesn't automatically agree with one side of the court or the other.
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I guess we'll find out soon but I'm bracing for the most conservative nominee imaginable.  Trump has never really shown any real interest in the Court, my suspicion is that he'll just nominate whoever the Republicans want him to nominate.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
I guess we'll find out soon but I'm bracing for the most conservative nominee imaginable.  Trump has never really shown any real interest in the Court, my suspicion is that he'll just nominate whoever the Republicans want him to nominate.
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I hear you.  It's difficult to put any kind of logical thought into what Trump might do because he's such an incredible wild card.

 
Righetti said:
No state of the union this year, right?
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Obama gave a state-of-the-union-like speech to a joint session of Congress in early 2009 but he didn't call it a State of the Union.  That's apparently consistent with what other new Presidents have done, at least since JFK.  Who knows what Trump will do. 

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Obama gave a state-of-the-union-like speech to a joint session of Congress in early 2009 but he didn't call it a State of the Union.  That's apparently consistent with what other new Presidents have done, at least since JFK.  Who knows what Trump will do. 
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Does he have any new hotels opening around then? 

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Did 100% of people vote in those counties?

Assuming not, I think it's every bit as likely that enthused Obama supporters stayed home for meh Hillary in some of the same places where enthused Trump supporters came out that had previously stayed home for meh Romney.
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This. Hillary generated zero enthusiasm...probably as little as anyone in my lifetime. 

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Speaking from my personal perspective, a lot of the pain of this election is about what could have been.  The Supreme Court has been right-leaning my entire life.  Not to be crass, but the day Scalia died, it felt for me like the day I had been waiting for forever was finally here.  A left-leaning Supreme Court.  And then Republicans chose Trump to be their nominee, and I felt as if he was such a self-evidently awful candidate that Democrats were assured the Presidency, which meant that the left-leaning Supreme Court would be preserved, probably for the next 20 years or so if Ginsburg and Breyer retired during Hillary's administration.  Hell, the left-lean might even get more pronounced and long-lasting if Justice Kennedy got too old or the rumors about Justice Thomas wanting to retire came true.  This was my thinking for the past full year -- optimism about a Court I had been wanting forever, and virtual certainty that it was going to happen. 

And just to give some insight into my priorities, I take this stuff really seriously (probably too seriously according to most).  When someone put up that poll a few weeks ago about whether you would rather have your candidate elected or your favorite team win the championship, I thought it was the most absurd question ever.  If someone offered me today the opportunity to change last Tuesday's election in exchange for getting rid of all professional and intercollegiate sports entirely for the rest of my life, I'd make that trade in a heartbeat.  Not even close.

Anyway, in the span of a couple hours on Tuesday, those dreams were totally ripped away and replaced with the scenario where it's likely that the Court will remain right-leaning for the next 20 years at least, if Justice Kennedy and Thomas decide to retire and get replaced with young justices.  And it has the potential to get even worse if Ginsburg and/or Breyer aren't healthy enough to stay on the Court until the next Democratic President.
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:goodposting:

I don't share the same views but I appreciate your POV and the way you communicate your ideas and feelings. I hope folks embrace Trump's sincerity because I think in a year or two when some of his policies begin to take shape that folks will be pleasantly surprised. I feel a 94 Surge contract with America type event coming. We have to create jobs for folks who don't live in urban metropolis areas or things are going to get a lot worse. 

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Speaking from my personal perspective, a lot of the pain of this election is about what could have been.  The Supreme Court has been right-leaning my entire life.  Not to be crass, but the day Scalia died, it felt for me like the day I had been waiting for forever was finally here.  A left-leaning Supreme Court.  And then Republicans chose Trump to be their nominee, and I felt as if he was such a self-evidently awful candidate that Democrats were assured the Presidency, which meant that the left-leaning Supreme Court would be preserved, probably for the next 20 years or so if Ginsburg and Breyer retired during Hillary's administration.  Hell, the left-lean might even get more pronounced and long-lasting if Justice Kennedy got too old or the rumors about Justice Thomas wanting to retire came true.  This was my thinking for the past full year -- optimism about a Court I had been wanting forever, and virtual certainty that it was going to happen. 

And just to give some insight into my priorities, I take this stuff really seriously (probably too seriously according to most).  When someone put up that poll a few weeks ago about whether you would rather have your candidate elected or your favorite team win the championship, I thought it was the most absurd question ever.  If someone offered me today the opportunity to change last Tuesday's election in exchange for getting rid of all professional and intercollegiate sports entirely for the rest of my life, I'd make that trade in a heartbeat.  Not even close.

Anyway, in the span of a couple hours on Tuesday, those dreams were totally ripped away and replaced with the scenario where it's likely that the Court will remain right-leaning for the next 20 years at least, if Justice Kennedy and Thomas decide to retire and get replaced with young justices.  And it has the potential to get even worse if Ginsburg and/or Breyer aren't healthy enough to stay on the Court until the next Democratic President.
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Under a right-leaning Supreme Court we got Marriage Equality, Roe v. Wade has held up (even if weaker), even Heller left plenty of room for gun control to check the 2nd Ammendment. Conservative or Liberal, the court seems to follow society's lead more than shaping it. 

Being very glass half-full here but I think it will be okay. Dems should fight hard for a moderate to replace Scalia, and work hard for 2018 and 2020.

 
Statorama said:
You know, I voted for the guy and it's still difficult for me to say "President Trump" with a straight face.
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Agree, I laugh too and of course I voted for him and was vocal in support for him in the face of a hard establishment core on these boards which proves that a lot of folks in here have ZERO idea what is going on in the poverty stricken inner city areas...and if they're do they make a lot of money and don't spend any time associating with the government supported folks...where as I have seen it 1st hand as a teacher in Miami and South Florida. I tried to warn people but not many in here would listen. I don't blame them but reality is very sobering.

 
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TobiasFunke said:
The president-elect could do wonders for the nation by getting on front of the press and forcefully condemning stuff like this:

Women in Hijabs on two campuses say they were attacked by men invoking Donald Trump

He's got a very easy chance to help heal the very angry and fearful country he now will lead. 
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Agreed.  Even if these are isolated incidents from various pockets around the country, he should take the opportunity to officially squelch any idea that he encourages or will tolerate such deplorable behavior.  After the election, he said he wants to be the president for all Americans, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, etc.  He never meant to round up all Muslims for deportation, or anything of the sort.  There are idiots out there who think he would endorse horrific behavior as in the link above.  This is an opportunity for him to officially put that notion to rest.  

During the time leading up to the inauguration, he is going to be in a fish bowl even smaller than the one he's been living in since his campaign reached the point where people started taking it seriously.  This is his opportunity to change negative perceptions about him and his presidency.  I wish him luck as this is what we have in front of us.  I hope he can change those perceptions, at least in many people.  As you know, there will always be a lot of people who hate him and will always hate him regardless of what he does or gets accomplished.  

He should denounce crap like that post haste.  

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
--Build a wall on the Mexican border and make Mexico pay for it
--Deport 11m undocumented immigrants
--Tear up NAFTA
--Tear up nuclear agreement with Iran
--Get rid of ISIS, quickly
--Ban Muslims from entering the US
--$1 trillion to rebuild US infrastructure
--Repeal Obamacare
--Put Hillary Clinton in prison
--Impose tariffs on Chinese and Mexican goods
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The muslim ban is already gone from his website http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/muslim-ban-statement-disappears-trump-website/story?id=43433347

 
Arsenal of Doom said:
Being very glass half-full here but I think it will be okay. Dems should fight hard for a moderate to replace Scalia, and work hard for 2018 and 2020.
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Democrats don't really have the power to "fight hard for a moderate."  They can try to filibuster, but Republicans can always invoke the nuclear option and get rid of filibusters for Supreme Court nominees.  And the 2018 Seante races are a disaster.  The goal there will just be for Democrats to lose as few seats as possible.  They have no chance to gain seats.

 
Jayrok said:
Agreed.  Even if these are isolated incidents from various pockets around the country, he should take the opportunity to officially squelch any idea that he encourages or will tolerate such deplorable behavior.  After the election, he said he wants to be the president for all Americans, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, etc.  He never meant to round up all Muslims for deportation, or anything of the sort.  There are idiots out there who think he would endorse horrific behavior as in the link above.  This is an opportunity for him to officially put that notion to rest.  

During the time leading up to the inauguration, he is going to be in a fish bowl even smaller than the one he's been living in since his campaign reached the point where people started taking it seriously.  This is his opportunity to change negative perceptions about him and his presidency.  I wish him luck as this is what we have in front of us.  I hope he can change those perceptions, at least in many people.  As you know, there will always be a lot of people who hate him and will always hate him regardless of what he does or gets accomplished.  

He should denounce crap like that post haste.  
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I agree with both of you guys. He got voted in...great/awfu/fantastic/terrible/etc. He needs to put the kibosh on incidents like this ASAP. I think it does more than show people his campaign rhetoric was just that, it shows that he's ready to get to work and that he's mentally past the election. Even if both sides loathe him and/or each other right now, it's the start of the process to work together.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Democrats don't really have the power to "fight hard for a moderate."  They can try to filibuster, but Republicans can always invoke the nuclear option and get rid of filibusters for Supreme Court nominees.  And the 2018 Seante races are a disaster.  The goal there will just be for Democrats to lose as few seats as possible.  They have no chance to gain seats.
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They need to force Republican's hands on the filibuster issue. If for no other reason than to make rank and file Democrats face the apathy that apparently got us here. 2018 Senate races don't look promising now, but a lot can happen in 2 years. Trump has a lot of unpopular policy ideas and will face harsher media spotlight than ever before. He won't have a campaign team to hide him now and there isn't another candidate competing for negative press. Remember 2010 should be the rallying cry right now. 

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
You think in two years states like Mississippi and Wyoming are going to elect Democratic Senators? 
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Probably not Mississippi, but states like Nevada, Arizona, Tennessee, Nebraska... plus key holds. Again, it all depends on what happens the next couple of years. Of course Trump is walking into a much better position that Obama was. He's not inheriting a train wreck and we're likely to see fiscal stimulus that has been withheld from the economy for 8 years. 

 
I just fear the precedent that you now have to control both the POTUS and Senate to pass a SCOTUS nominee.  Not sure who that helps going forward.

 
Arsenal of Doom said:
Probably not Mississippi, but states like Nevada, Arizona, Tennessee, Nebraska... plus key holds. Again, it all depends on what happens the next couple of years. Of course Trump is walking into a much better position that Obama was. He's not inheriting a train wreck and we're likely to see fiscal stimulus that has been withheld from the economy for 8 years. 
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You're really reaching with Tennessee and Nebraska. 

 
Arsenal of Doom said:
Under a right-leaning Supreme Court we got Marriage Equality, Roe v. Wade has held up (even if weaker), even Heller left plenty of room for gun control to check the 2nd Ammendment. Conservative or Liberal, the court seems to follow society's lead more than shaping it. 

Being very glass half-full here but I think it will be okay. Dems should fight hard for a moderate to replace Scalia, and work hard for 2018 and 2020.
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Party lines have split further and further and dug their heels in deeper and deeper.  I think there was a time when the president took it seriously that the primary job of the Supreme Court was to interpret the constitution, not to play partisan politics.  I think that time is past and I am extremely weary that Trump will nominate anyone that doesn't directly help him and make him look good to the crazy far right that made him so popular.

 
Jayrok said:
Agreed.  Even if these are isolated incidents from various pockets around the country, he should take the opportunity to officially squelch any idea that he encourages or will tolerate such deplorable behavior.  After the election, he said he wants to be the president for all Americans, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, etc.  He never meant to round up all Muslims for deportation, or anything of the sort.  There are idiots out there who think he would endorse horrific behavior as in the link above.  This is an opportunity for him to officially put that notion to rest.  

During the time leading up to the inauguration, he is going to be in a fish bowl even smaller than the one he's been living in since his campaign reached the point where people started taking it seriously.  This is his opportunity to change negative perceptions about him and his presidency.  I wish him luck as this is what we have in front of us.  I hope he can change those perceptions, at least in many people.  As you know, there will always be a lot of people who hate him and will always hate him regardless of what he does or gets accomplished.  

He should denounce crap like that post haste.  
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So they guy who once said he would pay the legal fees of anyone that punches a protestor in the face at his rallies is going to denounce violence against the very people he doesn't think should be able to come into this country for a while?

I mean, I guess it could happen.

 
jon_mx said:
So were these "Not our President" protesters shocked when Trump declined to say he would accept the election results. 
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Works both ways. Trump said the thing was rigged and he might not accept the result. Clinton supporters protesting the result. It's all poor form in my opinion, but neither side should really comment since hypocrisy is flowing thick in all directions. 

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Party lines have split further and further and dug their heels in deeper and deeper.  I think there was a time when the president took it seriously that the primary job of the Supreme Court was to interpret the constitution, not to play partisan politics.  I think that time is past and I am extremely weary that Trump will nominate anyone that doesn't directly help him and make him look good to the crazy far right that made him so popular.
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Yeah and there used to be things like conservative democrats and liberal republicans. Senators would cross the aisle on issues. The party system is a mess and is one of main reasons Trump won. He managed to be a Republican and outsider at the same time. He managed to get votes from most of those that typically vote R as well as some people that wanted to root against the Rs and Ds.

 
Ilov80s said:
Works both ways. Trump said the thing was rigged and he might not accept the result. Clinton supporters protesting the result. It's all poor form in my opinion, but neither side should really comment since hypocrisy is flowing thick in all directions. 
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It doesn't really work both ways.  Everyone knows Trump is a buffoon.   So when you spend weeks mocking the guy, it is pretty stupid to go ahead and do exactly what you were mocking him for. 

 
jon_mx said:
It doesn't really work both ways.  Everyone knows Trump is a buffoon.   So when you spend weeks mocking the guy, it is pretty stupid to go ahead and do exactly what you were mocking him for. 
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So because everyone knows one side (not the people, but their chosen leader) is a clown, it's ok. It's really just the people copying the clown that are stupid?

 I disagree with you there. Everyone looks bad. 

 
jon_mx said:
It doesn't really work both ways.  Everyone knows Trump is a buffoon.   So when you spend weeks mocking the guy, it is pretty stupid to go ahead and do exactly what you were mocking him for. 
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I totally agree, but can you imagine the chaos if Trump had won the popular vote but lost the electoral college?  Is there any chance he would have conceded by now?

And good God, what happens if Trump loses that way in 2020 when he's the sitting president?

 
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