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jonessed
Footballguy
No. They all vary on their requirements. San Francisco requires two violent felonies in a seven year period. The original conviction and then a separate unrelated arrest. So, not only do they not notify ICE when releasing felons, but they also don't notify ICE when releasing many violent felons.
Hopefully Trump and Congress can move to make complying with ICE detainers and notifications regarding criminals in local jails mandatory. I doubt they will get much national pushback on requiring cities holding criminals to work with ICE on deporting them.
The move to pull funds from those cities that don't cooperate would be an easy next step.
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timschochet
Footballguy
I'm not aware that that's the case. It's not part of anything I've read about this.
If you are correct about this, then I think that's wrong. I believe that any undocumented person who commits a violent crime, the first time, should be instantly deported (following punishment.) That being said, I still don't think the federal government should threaten cities with removing funds over this issue.
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
Yes she did and amazing job getting people to cast duplicate votes for several electors, but yet when they hold the presidential election on Monday she will have less votes.JIslander said:
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Footballguy
Loan Sharks said:
Hey, sometimes the duplicate posts votes are nothing more than a glitch in the software, know what I mean?
Reg Lllama of Brixton
Footballguy
Are there any stats comparing crimes committed by illegals vs citizens?
jonessed
Footballguy
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Reg Lllama of Brixton
Footballguy
Reg Lllama of Brixton
Footballguy
Worst part about Trump winning:
The tidal wave of Farmersonly.com ads running on TV.
The tidal wave of Farmersonly.com ads running on TV.
timschochet
Footballguy
Yes.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/criminalization-immigration-united-states?utm_content=buffercf974&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer
For more than a century, innumerable studies have confirmed two simple yet powerful truths about the relationship between immigration and crime: immigrants are less likely to commit serious crimes or be behind bars than the native-born, and high rates of immigration are associated with lower rates of violent crime and property crime. This holds true for both legal immigrants and the unauthorized,
Statistics in the article back this up.
jonessed
Footballguy
jonessed
Footballguy
There is no way to accurately answer your question because the reporting is sparse.
Reg Lllama of Brixton
Footballguy
So why the fervor about ICE deporting criminals? I mean, I get it...deporting criminals who shouldn't be in the country makes sense but what kind of an impact will that make on crime in general?
jonessed
Footballguy
The same impact that taking in any other criminal off the street would make. Why would we go out of our way to protect criminals (especially felons) from being punished?
Reg Lllama of Brixton
Footballguy
Mister CIA
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Of course it does. I even bolded it.
But beyond that, since both documented immigrants and undocumented immigrants exhibit similar behavioral patterns in almost every other way, it's rather naive to assume that the latter are going to be violent criminals at a higher basis than the former. The numbers bear out the exact opposite, and any assertion to the contrary is based on a combination of fear and bigoty IMO.
timschochet
Footballguy
Because this is not the fervor. Those bringing up this issue want to conflate violent criminals with ALL undocumented, and they want to remove all undocumented. And that's wrong, IMO.
timschochet
Footballguy
Anyhow, jonessed, you and I are always going to disagree on this. But in the spirit of trying to have more constructive discussions around here, I'd like to look for ways to find areas in which we agree and try to move on from there. Let's start with this: I think that any undocumented person that is convicted of a violent crime should be subject to deportation. Do you agree?
jonessed
Footballguy
They simply make the statement. There's nothing in their numbers that I can see that differentiates between legal and illegal immigrants..
I don't see why it should be taken as fact that illegal and legal immigrants behave exactly the same. In many cases they aren't even coming from similar cultures. The majority of legal immigrants come from Asia while the majority of illegal immigrants come from Mexico specifically.
jonessed
Footballguy
Mister CIA
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I don't. I think a lot of ideas are rooted in bigotry, especially when it comes to illegal immigrants. But that doesn't make the people who state those ideas as bigots. I have never read anything from you that would cause me to believe you are a bigot.
WheelsUp
Footballguy
People still supporting a man who was put in place by a country with horrible human rights records and they think they still deserve respect.
Respect is earned and supporting a man who supports another country over our own does not deserve respect.
Our President isnt even going to be our President, he will be a pawn for a country that will give him money.
So many are ok with that because they think they won something, even though they lost just like us.
Never thought I would see the day where not wanting our country to be controlled by another country was a partisan view.
Respect is earned and supporting a man who supports another country over our own does not deserve respect.
Our President isnt even going to be our President, he will be a pawn for a country that will give him money.
So many are ok with that because they think they won something, even though they lost just like us.
Never thought I would see the day where not wanting our country to be controlled by another country was a partisan view.
Quez
Footballguy
More intelligence officials disputing Russian influence in elections.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/12/more-intelligence-officials-are-disputing-cias-claims-about-russian-hacking/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social
The main thing to take from this is that our intelligence communities have been completely politicized. We have heard everything from Putin personally is responsible for the hacks, to multiple countries hacking, which apparently happens all the time.
And throughout all of this, there hasn't been any solid evidence.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/12/more-intelligence-officials-are-disputing-cias-claims-about-russian-hacking/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social
The main thing to take from this is that our intelligence communities have been completely politicized. We have heard everything from Putin personally is responsible for the hacks, to multiple countries hacking, which apparently happens all the time.
And throughout all of this, there hasn't been any solid evidence.
GoBirds
Footballguy
If you factor in all eligible voters than no president got a majority......weak point and attempt to spin numbers in your favor.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Two days after having all political threads banned, you're right back to calling everyone that disagrees with you bigots. You're one of the main causes of these threads becoming a total cesspool. But we all know you think you're the victim.
Uncle CornCob
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Would you please take the time to read the source article?
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN14204E
There is a distinction between:
1. Who did it - which DNI and the whole IC agrees was the Russians.
And:
2. The motive, which is up for debate (as is the effectiveness of the campaign).
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Hah! I see what you did there. You took my name and replaced it with a derogatory term! Good one! You really showed me.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Weclome to FBG........where we destroy political threads one post at a time
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
This is so awesome how Democrats are all concerned about security now.
What does that even mean?
timschochet
Footballguy
I have not called anyone here a bigot.
I mad a general statement: if all the evidence we have suggests that undocumented immigrants commit less crimes than do legal citizens, yet a significant number of people continue to believe that undocumented immigrants commit more crimes than do legal citizens, then bigotry is at least one of the major reasons for this misconception. You're welcome to challenge this assertion, but I'm not attacking anybody here and I will continue to make it because I very much believe it.
timschochet
Footballguy
Yes, hypocrisy is always easy to find.
Do you agree that they, and you, should be concerned about security?
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Fair enough. You believe that the Russians weren't involved and that the intelligence communities have been politicized. Others believe that the Russians were involved.
Either way, it certainly seems like a full investigation is warranted. Would you agree with that?
timschochet
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Quez
Footballguy
What about my post did you disagree with? I don't dispute Russia hacked Hillary's bs server. It is now commonly acceptable that several nations are always hacking each other. Whether or not they did it to help trump is the issue.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Meh. If you're a conservative, the last thing you should be doing is justifying your actions with the actions/rhetoric of the Democrats/liberals.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I didn't see anything highlighted.
I typed mad instead of made, forgot the e- that's the only typo I saw.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
A few things:
- The DC report confuses who did the hacking and the motive. That's what I was referencing.
- That you refer to multiple intelligence communities. There is one intelligence community (IC) with multiple agencies.
- Personally I don't think the IC has been politicized, including any of the agencies. - Note, this is just IMO, I can't prove this to you, but then your point is opinion too.
- 'We have heard everything from Putin personally is responsible for the hacks, to multiple countries hacking, which apparently happens all the time.' - If we are talking about the DNC hacks strictly, no that's not correct, independent technical reports and the IC are pointing the finger directly at Russia alone.
timschochet
Footballguy
Good. I agree. Let's see if we can find out what happened here, and then we can decide what to do about it.
Is there anyone here who disagrees with this?
Thunderlips
Footballguy
The idea that Trump(and by extension, his supporters) is poo-pooing ANY claims to this is more telling to the idea of legit Russian interference than anything else. Hit me with the "we don't like it, and once in office, we'll do everything we can to combat this."....hell, hit me with weak sauce "hell, historically other countries have tried to funnel money/influence into our political process....we don't know WHY Russia is backing Trump, but once we get in, we'll look to close these loop holes". Don't hit me with "CIA sucks/FBI is politicized.....it's just crying from the DNC". You say you're going be a POTUS for ALL Americans.....show at least token concern to those Americans who think their political process has been hijacked/compromised.
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