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You think diving onto someone from the inside out looks lame, but don't question how the Attitude Adjustment is more effective than a simple suplex? It's just a fireman's carry takeover. A move commonly done in amateur wrestling, although not usually from the standing position.
Cancelled my subscription a couple of days ago. I'll join up again sometime, but for now, I'm bored of the current product and there's not much new on the network that I haven't seen.I love watching Ambrose do that thing he does bouncing off the ropes 250 times a match. Never gets old.....
Cancelled my Network subscription todayAuck Fustin.
Face team went over. Nothing special. Ambrose with his shirt off at the end which was odd looking since it never happens.
Yeah I think this has been a good year for the most part. SummerSlam will probably deliver. Love a good title for title match, Brock-Taker for the spectacle, Owens-Cesaro will be an instant classic. Wonder what they wind up doing with Shield-Wyatts. Hopefully Sting is not involved.
Same here. Until current product improves and more content added not sure I'll enroll outside mania and rumbleCancelled my subscription a couple of days ago. I'll join up again sometime, but for now, I'm bored of the current product and there's not much new on the network that I haven't seen.I love watching Ambrose do that thing he does bouncing off the ropes 250 times a match. Never gets old.....
Cancelled my Network subscription today
I don't think he's fishing, they do put on alot more 5 star Raw matches but they don't mean anything. We saw Owens vs Cena 3 times and no title change. No big changes on raw. No title matches. With like 13-14 PPV's a month because they have the network now, nothing feels special on Raw. No factions (besides the Diva's) nobody to root for, not many tournaments, number 1 contender matches they could have etc
The scary thing is, their two best "star-making" assets are 1. Who takes down Lesnar and 2. Who takes the US title off of Cena after this huge run he's been on. With the booking of title for title, and the potential they want to do Taker/Lesnar III, you're seriously looking at the potential of a Summerslam that sees each burned on 1. Undertaker and 2. nobody respectively.I don't think he's fishing, they do put on alot more 5 star Raw matches but they don't mean anything. We saw Owens vs Cena 3 times and no title change. No big changes on raw. No title matches. With like 13-14 PPV's a month because they have the network now, nothing feels special on Raw. No factions (besides the Diva's) nobody to root for, not many tournaments, number 1 contender matches they could have etc
I enjoy it but it could be alot better. They print money and it won't matter.
Miss the attitude era.
I'm 30, so the attitude era fell right into the TV-14 ratings and High School. Worked out perfectly. I enjoy the 93-96 stuff more than today as well. Prior to 93 was worse IMO.Since getting the Network I've been going through the history of the WWF/WWE starting with WM1. I've watched all the PPVs and Saturday Night Main Events in order and I'm now up to Survivor Series in 1995. If you think today's book is bad, go back to that era. Woof! You had Bill Clinton impersonators, Bob Backland running for president, hog farmers, garbage men, Doink the clown, Kane was Isaac Yankum the wrestling dentist. Small wonder WCW was able to overtake them during that time. And WCW pretty much wrote the book on bad booking once the NWO invasion angle ran it's course.
This isn't the best era in WWE, but it's far from the worst. I miss the attitude era too, but that time is done and never coming back. I'm a bit horrified at the number of 20-something now talking about how great it was. They were children at the time. Why did your parents let you watch?
I enjoy the current product more than you do, but you bring up a couple interesting points. I do think there's too much time to fill. 3 hours of Raw, 2 of Smackdown, Main Event, Superstars, a monthly PPV and now even some Network specials like King of the Ring and the show in Japan. That's putting the writers in a very difficult spot.
RAW still occupies three of the top 10 most watched cable programs every week.
And how many of those are churning free subscribers? It really isn't that hard.
That's the problem.......all that's left are the wrestling fans. So the only voice that's left is them. The causal viewers they had during the Attitude Era are long gone. When the Entertainment in WWE left......so did they. Wrestling fans will be there no matter how bad the product is.And many of today's fans are so much different. They want wrestling, not stories. I feel like Hogan, Andre, Warrior would all get boo'd out of the building today. How many times have we heard "he only has 5 moves" as a reason to dislike a guy? Of course Lesnar has 2 moves, so I guess there are exceptions.
. Both about to get #### canned on a 5th rate TV network.
Bingo. Agreed with your entire post but cut down to the most important point you brought up.
This doesn't really say as much about the quality of the product as it does about the profitability of the network as a distribution vehicle as compared to PPV. 1.2 million paid subscribers actually seems a pretty modest number. HBO had 138 million worldwide paid subscribers in 2014, for example. Netflix is up over 65 million subscribers. Hulu, which is a disappointment, is over 9 million.JB Breakfast Club said:
I agree with you on booking to the dumbest of children, however the attitude era succeeded as well in for the first time booking reality storylines at the same time as smarks exploded when for the first time they had the internet to fuel and back the booking. It really was a magical time.
Not even close to Rose colored glasses, it was the best period hands done. It has it's own section on the network. It's the highest watched old stuff on the network. Alot of it is because of the PG rating. Once your kids turn 12-15 they'll want more talking and less matches.JB Breakfast Club said:
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I know myself only am keeping the Network for the old attitude era items and the PPV's on occasion i'll do some NXT but normally wait for them to hit the main roster which lately has been someone new every other week.
After Austin and the Rock, I'd argue that Vince McMahon was the third most important WWE performer during the Attitude Era.
Yeah, that talent during that era was ridiculous. Shawn, Taker, HHH, Foley, Rock, Austin, Hart, Jericho, Edge, Kane. Benoit, Eddie, and a bunch of barely dressed women. And almost no restrictions of what they could say or do. The WWE probably holds back their talent somewhat by giving them strict scripts to follow, but they also don't have nearly the same level of talent and they can't be nearly that risqué or violent.
The attitude era to me is like football in the 70s, specifically the extremely bloody Raiders/Steelers feud. It was very memorable and many people still pine for that kind of mayhem and violence, but it's never coming back, and for good reason.
Yeah. And where they're faltering todayAfter Austin and the Rock, I'd argue that Vince McMahon was the third most important WWE performer during the Attitude Era.
Yeah, that talent during that era was ridiculous. Shawn, Taker, HHH, Foley, Rock, Austin, Hart, Jericho, Edge, Kane. Benoit, Eddie, and a bunch of barely dressed women. And almost no restrictions of what they could say or do. The WWE probably holds back their talent somewhat by giving them strict scripts to follow, but they also don't have nearly the same level of talent and they can't be nearly that risqué or violent.
The attitude era to me is like football in the 70s, specifically the extremely bloody Raiders/Steelers feud. It was very memorable and many people still pine for that kind of mayhem and violence, but it's never coming back, and for good reason.
Yeah. And where they're faltering today (in regards to to the "Authority" angle) is that Vince had no problem allowing himself to be clowned on, defeated or act like a buffoon. HHH and Stephanie RARELY give the fans those "revenge" moments (I think Stephanie getting dropped in the mud pit was the last one). By all accounts, Vince has an incredible ego...but I guess he was fine with only flexing it behind the scenes if it meant giving the fans what they wanted.After Austin and the Rock, I'd argue that Vince McMahon was the third most important WWE performer during the Attitude Era.
Yeah, that talent during that era was ridiculous. Shawn, Taker, HHH, Foley, Rock, Austin, Hart, Jericho, Edge, Kane. Benoit, Eddie, and a bunch of barely dressed women. And almost no restrictions of what they could say or do. The WWE probably holds back their talent somewhat by giving them strict scripts to follow, but they also don't have nearly the same level of talent and they can't be nearly that risqué or violent.
The attitude era to me is like football in the 70s, specifically the extremely bloody Raiders/Steelers feud. It was very memorable and many people still pine for that kind of mayhem and violence, but it's never coming back, and for good reason.
Seems very nervous of all the young new talent coming up, and jealous of the Bella's on occasion.
worse than that, HHH and Steph want to be over as faces too.... never is an opportunity lost to show you that NXT is HHH's baby (we don't hear that it was shane's idea) and never can we forget how much Steph loved Connor the crusher or whatever sick kid they will pull out to get themselves over. And they show this crap in the body of their overall presentation...Yeah. And where they're faltering todayAfter Austin and the Rock, I'd argue that Vince McMahon was the third most important WWE performer during the Attitude Era.
Yeah, that talent during that era was ridiculous. Shawn, Taker, HHH, Foley, Rock, Austin, Hart, Jericho, Edge, Kane. Benoit, Eddie, and a bunch of barely dressed women. And almost no restrictions of what they could say or do. The WWE probably holds back their talent somewhat by giving them strict scripts to follow, but they also don't have nearly the same level of talent and they can't be nearly that risqué or violent.
The attitude era to me is like football in the 70s, specifically the extremely bloody Raiders/Steelers feud. It was very memorable and many people still pine for that kind of mayhem and violence, but it's never coming back, and for good reason.
Yeah. And where they're faltering today (in regards to to the "Authority" angle) is that Vince had no problem allowing himself to be clowned on, defeated or act like a buffoon. HHH and Stephanie RARELY give the fans those "revenge" moments (I think Stephanie getting dropped in the mud pit was the last one). By all accounts, Vince has an incredible ego...but I guess he was fine with only flexing it behind the scenes if it meant giving the fans what they wanted.After Austin and the Rock, I'd argue that Vince McMahon was the third most important WWE performer during the Attitude Era.
Yeah, that talent during that era was ridiculous. Shawn, Taker, HHH, Foley, Rock, Austin, Hart, Jericho, Edge, Kane. Benoit, Eddie, and a bunch of barely dressed women. And almost no restrictions of what they could say or do. The WWE probably holds back their talent somewhat by giving them strict scripts to follow, but they also don't have nearly the same level of talent and they can't be nearly that risqué or violent.
The attitude era to me is like football in the 70s, specifically the extremely bloody Raiders/Steelers feud. It was very memorable and many people still pine for that kind of mayhem and violence, but it's never coming back, and for good reason.
It's hard because the Connor the Crusher stuff gets them positive mainstream attention, which on some level they crave. James Gandolfini didn't need to stop the Sopranos as he was already well established in the pop culture mainstream as a good actor. WWE doesn't have that luxury; they seem to use any positive/uplifting element they can to put the company over.
I thought this was a good article describing why adult fans still hate Cena. http://insidepulse.com/2015/08/03/widrospective-john-cena-is-hated-by-adult-wwe-fans-because-his-character-is-a-phony-corporate-suck-up/
Good point. I'd add Stephanie's "IM CHANGING THE DIVA DIVISION" mantra into that mix as well. Didn't AJ Lee basically say that the Diva Division could be better and it was a shame how they were being used?worse than that, HHH and Steph want to be over as faces too.... never is an opportunity lost to show you that NXT is HHH's baby (we don't hear that it was shane's idea) and never can we forget how much Steph loved Connor the crusher or whatever sick kid they will pull out to get themselves over. And they show this crap in the body of their overall presentation...Yeah. And where they're faltering todayAfter Austin and the Rock, I'd argue that Vince McMahon was the third most important WWE performer during the Attitude Era.
Yeah, that talent during that era was ridiculous. Shawn, Taker, HHH, Foley, Rock, Austin, Hart, Jericho, Edge, Kane. Benoit, Eddie, and a bunch of barely dressed women. And almost no restrictions of what they could say or do. The WWE probably holds back their talent somewhat by giving them strict scripts to follow, but they also don't have nearly the same level of talent and they can't be nearly that risqué or violent.
The attitude era to me is like football in the 70s, specifically the extremely bloody Raiders/Steelers feud. It was very memorable and many people still pine for that kind of mayhem and violence, but it's never coming back, and for good reason.
Yeah. And where they're faltering today (in regards to to the "Authority" angle) is that Vince had no problem allowing himself to be clowned on, defeated or act like a buffoon. HHH and Stephanie RARELY give the fans those "revenge" moments (I think Stephanie getting dropped in the mud pit was the last one). By all accounts, Vince has an incredible ego...but I guess he was fine with only flexing it behind the scenes if it meant giving the fans what they wanted.After Austin and the Rock, I'd argue that Vince McMahon was the third most important WWE performer during the Attitude Era.
Yeah, that talent during that era was ridiculous. Shawn, Taker, HHH, Foley, Rock, Austin, Hart, Jericho, Edge, Kane. Benoit, Eddie, and a bunch of barely dressed women. And almost no restrictions of what they could say or do. The WWE probably holds back their talent somewhat by giving them strict scripts to follow, but they also don't have nearly the same level of talent and they can't be nearly that risqué or violent.
The attitude era to me is like football in the 70s, specifically the extremely bloody Raiders/Steelers feud. It was very memorable and many people still pine for that kind of mayhem and violence, but it's never coming back, and for good reason.
Did James Gandolfini need to stop the sopranos to tell everyone all he is doing for wounded warriors?
