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Vocally, there is minimal delineation between these guys... and Phillips doesn't have the next gear to carry the rising action.  Nuts and bolts, he's fine. 

Graves hasn't shown me what you're saying, but to put him in the same breath as Ventura or Heenan is a joke.  Those guys were supreme wits who ALSO got guys and angles over for some of their biggest box office. 

Lawler as a heel announcer I would also put ahead of Graves, but whatever they've done with Lawler absent JR is pointless, he's weak.

Ditto JBL outside of that inital first good six months.  I think there's a good announcer in there but with Vince his ear he loses it.

I appreciate that the NXT style allows a greater focus on the work, but if you subscribe to the theory that the wrestling is the music and the announcers are the lyrics, that Nakamura match was Jimi Hendrix doing a solo while Bieber was on the mic
I'm not saying Graves is on the level of Heenan or Ventura(who for my money is the GOAT of wrestling announcers) but he does things those guys did, and that makes for a far better announcer than the cliche soundbite machines on Raw, who seem to only care about hashtags. 

Admittedly, I don't remember a thing about the announcing during Zayn-Nakamura. I'm surprised you were even able to hear it, all I had was the crowd going nuts for everything. Maybe they weren't great during that match, but they were outstanding during Balor-Joe. Absolutely on fire during the ref stoppages, with Graves going on about how the stoppages were just making Joe madder and more focused, and how it gave Balor time to recover from Joe's onslaught, so Joe felt he had to be even more aggressive to try to get back to where he was before the ref stepped in. It took what could have really killed the momentum and turned it into a big part of the match's story. 

 
Rey Mysterio held the WWE title multiple times, and he was smaller than Charlotte.
I knew he was champ at least once.  And I really like Balor - he is definitely very unique and has a lot of style and is an amazing athlete.  He looked fine against Samoa Joe even though he was outweighed by 85 lbs.  It's sometimes just hard for me to suspend disbelief when there is such a crazy difference in size. I think Balor vs. Dean or Seth is great.  Balor vs. Reigns or Lesnar would be tough to believe.  I guess it comes down to psychology.  Rey vs Nash wasn't believable either, but if he worked a leg and chopped down the tree I could get behind it.

So....never mind. :)

 
At this point, how can NXT even be considered "developmental".  There was more talent on stage last night then on an average RAW show. To that, they should run an Invasion/NwO story this next year, where there's a breaking of kayfabe storyline where all of these guys: Ares, Joe,Balor, Zayn, Owens, Anderson, Gallows, Nakamura and Styles ( I know I'm missing one or two) more or less piss on the characters that WWE is forcing on them and make a push to take over(behind Shane).  Then you could even run a response from Reigns, Rollins, Wyatt, Cena, Ambrose, Lesnar where they break kayfabe and fight back.  It would be the perfect way to get a couple of guys on the brink over (maybe a Ziggler steps up and helps the WWE win)and get more heat for a couple of other guys (Del Rio or someone like Rusev switches).

The idea that we could be seeing Nakamura feuding with Sheamus(not to knock Sheamus) for 3 months doesn't do anything.  Styles/Miz??....it doesn't work with that much talent in the organization.   It's time for WWE to rip off Marvel and run their own Civil War storyline. 

 
Unlike yourself I could care less about the next 3 months of a dying company. Who cares about a bunch of over the hill  old coots trying to be relevant.

Luncha Underground and the indies are where it's at with the young and coming talent . F Vince
Disagree here, but it's a Russo/Cornette argument. Do you like the stories or do you like the art form of pro wrestling? Obviously it's great when they both blend well, I.e. the attitude era, but it's often a hard deal to nail both for any prolonged amount of time. Indies are great for the longevity of the industry, but ratings are great for keeping the industry in the limelight and makes everyone profitable. Both styles serve an important purpose.

 
What a ####### disappointment if the "Big Surprise" is Bill Goldberg. Guy was one of the biggest flops in WWE history. He wasnt over in 2003. He won't be in 2016. 

My prediction: (and yes it's someone that was over in WWE...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdvqTNSU-Gg

Shane and him already have the past ties. Wouldn't be surprised if Angle were at Sting's HOF ceremony. Whether he's on camera is another thing. They can always bring up American Alpha too down the line. (Even though they're clearly ready now)

I'm sure it wouldn't be as big as Festus returning though :lol:  
 
so.... Balor is a terrible character. Tons of skill, but that moronic gimmick has gotta go. 

NXT was pretty awesome. glad u guys talked me into it

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdvqTNSU-Gg

Shane and him already have the past ties. Wouldn't be surprised if Angle were at Sting's HOF ceremony. Whether he's on camera is another thing. They can always bring up American Alpha too down the line. (Even though they're clearly ready now)

I'm sure it wouldn't be as big as Festus returning though :lol:  
I'm a fan since he wrestled at Clarion University and has a Golden Eagle tattoo on his back.

 
It was a great show with really good wrestling, but I still didn't care who won any of the matches. It felt like an exhibition...a really cool exhibition with awesome stuff happening, but still an exhibition where none of the results meant anything. 

I'm going to care about the top three matches at Mania. They all have real stakes that impact the next months or even years of the company. 
I get what you mean about the stakes not being super high at Takeover, but I'm not getting what you are saying about Mania at all. I'll give you Shane/Taker, but really that is the only match with any major importance all weekend. I mean, I assume you mean HHH-Reigns as another, but why are the stakes important there? Its a title match, those are the only stakes to it, no different than Balor-Joe was. The only way that could have stakes is if Shane beats Taker, since they've implied that Shane would fire HHH if he ran the show, but probably couldn't if HHH were still WWE champion.

I'm curious what the 3rd match you are referring to is. I've narrowed it down to either the Charlotte/Sasha/Becky triple threat, or Ambrose/Lesnar, but again, how are those really different then Bayley/Asuka or Zayn/Nakamura? 

 
Ambrose/Brock. Beating Brock is the biggest rub in all of wrestling. It's going to be a huge moment when someone actually pins him. I think he'll actually go unpinned until his very last match, but WWE could cash it in early to move Ambrose permanently into the main event scene. 

 
The funny thing is that Vince will probably be having a heart attack Tuesday when he sees the post-WM Raw ratings were way down cause they'll lose a bunch of viewers to the national championship game.

 
Lol, i think he stumbled his words a bit, but i think so.

Was there any question that Hayes would steal the show? One of my top 5 talkers of all time, up there with  Flair, Piper, Rock, etc.
I'm sure it was a botch, but it was hilarious.  I was only looking forward to Sting and the Freebirds.  Hayes and Garvin didn't disappoint.  I almost expect we get Tony Schiavone to get on the show about 3 minutes into Sting's speech saying "Sorry folks, but we're out of time!"  

 
Just turned on. Bummed I missed the Freebirds. Will catch on the replay.

Man, the Big Bossman's family is making this really hard to watch.

 
Just turned on. Bummed I missed the Freebirds. Will catch on the replay.

Man, the Big Bossman's family is making this really hard to watch.
Certainly worth going back to watch the Freebird induction.  I doubt anything else will top it tonight.

 
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Bossman's daughter doing a really good job. Funny and engaging.

When she was telling a story about when she was little,  my son goes 'looking at her, i doubt she was ever little '. The boy has my sense of humor. :bag:

 
Solid speeches to end the night. Can't wait to go back and watch The Freebirds.

Classy way for Sting to end any speculation on another match. Of course, just because he isn't having any more matches, doesn't mean he can't have a run-in or two.

 
Overall, a decent Induction. Long-winded, especially vader and lariot. 

Some good laughs. Flair looks like crap, and his lisp kills me. 

Dunno why, but I had a little tear in my eye during the big boss man speech. Didnt much care for the guy, but it got to me. 

 
I love Flair, but his induction sucked tonight.  He didn't spend much time talking about Sting.  But I could still listen to him tell stories all night.

 
Flair spent so much time talking about himself that he forgot the reason he was there. 'Oh BTW everyone.....here's Sting' . ####### rambling mess. Tired of Flair's schtick. You've got your podcast, go talk about yourself there. #### off it's not your night. Sting gave you your deserved props.

Thought Sting was the highlight of the night by far. Great to the point speech  :thumbup:   One of the best of recent memory. Don't know if it's in the cards, but would love to see him as a figurehead or some sort in the business.

 
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Watching "Thank You Daniel" and scrolling twitter for all of the pre-WM fun. Paige and Ziggler with a nice exchange ending with Ziggler saying "Oh, now you use the safe word."

Nice little morning.

 
How about:  Shane/Taker is the Main Event.  HHH loses to Reigns. Authority is chomping at the bit behind the scenes to find a way to have Shane lose so they don't lose.  Shane/Taker starts....and after awhile you get the run downs (maybe a Mean Street Posse clowning entrance where they immediately get choke slammed) till finally LON comes in on HHH's behalf....Reigns comes down to a big pop from the crowd and turns on Shane.   Maybe then you get a rundown from someone new or an established guy (Cena/Balor)...Shane wins. Shane is in charge with a new Face number one contender.  RR is a heel champion. 

It would be perfect if Rollins was the guy able to run down....

 
This is MY take on Shane v Taker.

My old man is adamant that Shane wins, but I cant see Taker taking a B2B in WM... Doesnt make sense... Unless, he is in control of it....?

Taker kills Shane, sets him up and lands the tombstone.... match over, right? Nope... Taker takes a lay down, drapes an unconscious Shane over top, and gives Shane the win, and control of WWE

To "screw Vince" and for the "better of the company"

 
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I can't find a watch party in Austin because every search I run comes up with a zillion pages about stone cold.  Not happy. 

 
Soulfly3 said:
This is MY take on Shane v Taker.

My old man is adamant that Shane wins, but I cant see Taker taking a B2B in WM... Doesnt make sense... Unless, he is in control of it....?

Taker kills Shane, sets him up and lands the tombstone.... match over, right? Nope... Taker takes a lay down, drapes an unconscious Shane over top, and gives Shane the win, and control of WWE

To "screw Vince" and for the "better of the company"
Maybe on like a Raw, I like the idea...But people would be up in arms doing that at Wrestlemania.

 
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How about:  Shane/Taker is the Main Event.  HHH loses to Reigns. Authority is chomping at the bit behind the scenes to find a way to have Shane lose so they don't lose.  Shane/Taker starts....and after awhile you get the run downs (maybe a Mean Street Posse clowning entrance where they immediately get choke slammed) till finally LON comes in on HHH's behalf....Reigns comes down to a big pop from the crowd and turns on Shane.   Maybe then you get a rundown from someone new or an established guy (Cena/Balor)...Shane wins. Shane is in charge with a new Face number one contender.  RR is a heel champion. 

It would be perfect if Rollins was the guy able to run down....
Is he off crutches and all?  I'm thinking if he's able to walk he's the perfect guy, even if he can't wrestle for a few months.  Maybe hit Taker with some chair shots or whatever... nothing high risk.

 
Reigns heel turn makes zero sense if he suddenly sides with HHH. Otherwise they takes the last months of "hatred" and negate them. If Reigns turns I think it requires either A) Hunter disappears or B) Hunter face turn. Which I guess could play into the theory someone posted that Reigns/Shane/Steph Swirve everyone and they are the new Authority. Seems lame to me though.

One thing I CAN see somehow is Shane and Vince celebrating the end of the show together. In that scenario though not sure if they are the faces or if HHH/Steph are.

 
Soulfly3 said:
This is MY take on Shane v Taker.

My old man is adamant that Shane wins, but I cant see Taker taking a B2B in WM... Doesnt make sense... Unless, he is in control of it....?

Taker kills Shane, sets him up and lands the tombstone.... match over, right? Nope... Taker takes a lay down, drapes an unconscious Shane over top, and gives Shane the win, and control of WWE

To "screw Vince" and for the "better of the company"
That's the same finish I predicted when the match was announced.  Although I had either Vince or Stephanie yelling at Taker from ringside to finish him and he just loses it when he realizes that he is acting a puppet.  That's when he allows Shane to win.

 
That's the same finish I predicted when the match was announced.  Although I had either Vince or Stephanie yelling at Taker from ringside to finish him and he just loses it when he realizes that he is acting a puppet.  That's when he allows Shane to win.
This I could see.

Taker is -390 to win, Shane +270.  But I just can't see where the story goes with a Shane loss. They brought him in for a 5 week program that ended up with 2 cool moments but was ultimately meaningless?

 
Looks like the Network is in stellar form so far.  Can't play the live kickoff show at all.  
Lmfao I knew this was gonna happen. Half the subscribers I've seen on various forums have regular issues with streaming ppvs anyway, like constant quality changes and buffering as well as skipping and lag. Now add all that n to what will surely be a traffic overload to the site and we (meaning "they) have a potential catastrophe on hand.

 
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Lmfao I knew this was gonna happen. Half the subscribers I've seen on various forums have regular issues with streaming ppvs anyway, like constant quality changes and buffering as well as skipping and lag. Now add all that n to what will surely be a traffic overload to the site and we (meaning "they) have a potential catastrophe on hand.
It worked for 10 minutes.  But now, it's frozen again.  The last two Manias worked fine, aside from audio problems at the beginning of the first one.   If this keeps up, I guess I'll be watching TWD live and WM on demand.  

 
How much of it is WWE's fault, and how much is it ppls crap Internet connections/isp issues
I get 80MB down/5MB up.  I have zero problems with internet issues when I game and when I use any streaming service - aside from TBS's NCAA streaming coverage, which desperately needs to go back to CBS.  I can't speak for others.

 

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