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Official Robert Griffin III - RGIII RG3 (1 Viewer)

Holy Schneikes said:
I'm local to DC, but not a Skins fan. And I feel for RG3. I don't think he has performed well over all, and I don't know if he can. He has also said some things that didn't help his cause.

But damn, folks do seem to hate the guy. People say he is mentally soft, physically soft, dumb, lacks leadership, too arrogant, too much of a diva, etc. Is he arrogant? Sure he is, but no worse than the next QB really. He is certainly not dumb in a real-world way - he does seem to repeat mistakes, but he's a bright guy. He's gotten beaten up badly and I'm not surprised he's a little gunshy at this point. People think his confidence is squashed, but every time he suggests he can turn it around, he gets napalmed. These latest quotes about being the best were not well-thought out in terms of their expected reception or the way it was phrased, but they are EXACTLY what you WANT your QB to be thinking. I know I can play. I know I can be great. We can do this - just need to put the pieces together. There were better ways to answer those questions no doubt, but if some other mediocre QB says them, the headlines aren't as bad as they were for RG3.

I don't think he's loafing. He's not really making poor choices off the field. He seems to be a responsible guy for the most part - just trying to do his thing. If 2012 hadn't happened, I don't think folks would be as vicious as they are right now - he's a victim of his own early success to some degree. After the rookie season, he was put on such a pedestal that he had a very long fall afterward. Such a fall that some seemed to take it personally.
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I've always liked the guy - there was no question he was supremely talented in college - but thought his downfall would be injuries. Turns out that was partially true, but he also appears to lack any self-awareness of his poor play. Guys that lack that have a difficult time getting better. Maybe he has to hit rock bottom (i.e. no one signs him next year as a starter).

 
Stealthycat said:
but his QB play is in the 30-35 range of QB's who play in the NFL every year - and that's not worth the money they pay him or the quality of football the WAS team can put forth ( Cousins plays better )
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Dude, I'm really sorry that your cable went out and you were unable to watch any Washington games from last season.

(And for the record, this isn't even a defense of RG3. He's terrible. But Cousins is worse.)

 
cstu said:
Holy Schneikes said:
I'm local to DC, but not a Skins fan. And I feel for RG3. I don't think he has performed well over all, and I don't know if he can. He has also said some things that didn't help his cause.

But damn, folks do seem to hate the guy. People say he is mentally soft, physically soft, dumb, lacks leadership, too arrogant, too much of a diva, etc. Is he arrogant? Sure he is, but no worse than the next QB really. He is certainly not dumb in a real-world way - he does seem to repeat mistakes, but he's a bright guy. He's gotten beaten up badly and I'm not surprised he's a little gunshy at this point. People think his confidence is squashed, but every time he suggests he can turn it around, he gets napalmed. These latest quotes about being the best were not well-thought out in terms of their expected reception or the way it was phrased, but they are EXACTLY what you WANT your QB to be thinking. I know I can play. I know I can be great. We can do this - just need to put the pieces together. There were better ways to answer those questions no doubt, but if some other mediocre QB says them, the headlines aren't as bad as they were for RG3.

I don't think he's loafing. He's not really making poor choices off the field. He seems to be a responsible guy for the most part - just trying to do his thing. If 2012 hadn't happened, I don't think folks would be as vicious as they are right now - he's a victim of his own early success to some degree. After the rookie season, he was put on such a pedestal that he had a very long fall afterward. Such a fall that some seemed to take it personally.
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I've always liked the guy - there was no question he was supremely talented in college - but thought his downfall would be injuries. Turns out that was partially true, but he also appears to lack any self-awareness of his poor play. Guys that lack that have a difficult time getting better. Maybe he has to hit rock bottom (i.e. no one signs him next year as a starter).
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:goodposting:

I defended RG3 for as long as I could. I still think he has been ill-served by his head coaches, especially Shanahan with his "I'm clearly going to get fired, so I'm going to throw everyone else under the bus to try to salvage my rep" PR strategy. And maybe if he never gets hurt, all of this other stuff gets swept under the rug. (Then again, I think with his playing style, injuries were inevitable). But at some point over the past couple years I couldn't stay on board. He's not that good anymore, and even if his comments are somewhat understandable in context, he really should have figured out by this point that he just needs to #### and play.

I'm assuming this is his last year in DC. If he goes to some other franchise next year and turns his career around, I'll be happy for him. But I'm not betting on it.

 
Too many flaws to this guy. Mentally and physically weak and makes too many mistakes playing the position of QB. Top that off with his attitude, this guy will probably be out of the league within 3 years.

 
JohnnyU said:
Too many flaws to this guy. Mentally and physically weak and makes too many mistakes playing the position of QB. Top that off with his attitude, this guy will probably be out of the league within 3 years.
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Honestly, let's say that he has a bad year this year and we're looking at 2014 part II where he gets benched/hurt early and we go back to the carousel for a QB...2016 off-season he gets cut. Who realistically signs him? He's not the type of guy a team would look for in a back-up. We're not talking Matt Flynn. He's not experienced. He's not reliable. He's not easily teachable. He's not system adaptable.

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think many teams would look at his body of work thus far and think there's much salvageable. He's had chances to perform. He's had multiple injury issues, not just one. He's now had multiple coaches and systems and underperformed in all of them.

I hope, as a Skins fan, that he comes out this year and is the RGIII of his rookie season, but I'd put those odds at less than 20%. I think more realistically, he gets hurt OR stinks, gets cut in the off-season, and maybe somebody picks him up for a camp try-out next season....but he won't stick. I honestly think he's out of football for the 2016 season if he doesn't perform this year.

If he hadn't had the shining point of his rookie year pre-injury, he'd be talked about with the Ja'Marcus Russel/Ryan Leaf/Heath Schuler's of the world, i.e. one of the worst draft picks in history.

 
tangfoot said:
He's not experienced???
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He's played in 37 games over the last 3 years. He started 35 of those...I can't figure out how many of those he didn't finish, but I'm pretty sure it'd be a few. So basically, he's got the experience of a 2-year pro. By back-up QB standards, I don't consider "experience" to be a strong point for him when you're looking at guys like Sanchez, Anderson, Hasselbeck, heck, even Christian Ponder, who have all started more games and spent a lot more time in the NFL...probably an even longer list when you consider guys who have been "career" back-ups who don't have the starts but have 5+ years of clipboard experience.

So no...me personally, I don't consider RGIII to be an experienced QB.

 
Fat Nick said:
tangfoot said:
He's not experienced???
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He's played in 37 games over the last 3 years. He started 35 of those...I can't figure out how many of those he didn't finish, but I'm pretty sure it'd be a few. So basically, he's got the experience of a 2-year pro. By back-up QB standards, I don't consider "experience" to be a strong point for him when you're looking at guys like Sanchez, Anderson, Hasselbeck, heck, even Christian Ponder, who have all started more games and spent a lot more time in the NFL...probably an even longer list when you consider guys who have been "career" back-ups who don't have the starts but have 5+ years of clipboard experience.

So no...me personally, I don't consider RGIII to be an experienced QB.
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I see. Thank you for that explanation, it makes sense. Other than Ponder having only started 35 games.

 
Probably gets signed cheap by the Pats at some point or the Bills.

 
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This kid is dunzo. At least with the skins. He needs an opportunity to fight for a starting job on another team. Like Cleveland,

 
The shark move if you are a team like CLE, BUF or HOU is approaching the Redskins with a really low-ball offer, and hoping Gruden really hates RG3 as much as it seems

 
Will sign with Philly and torment Redskins fans for years to come. Would be fitting at this point. I hate this team.

 
jbz said:
Will sign with Philly and torment Redskins fans for years to come. Would be fitting at this point. I hate this team.
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I feel like this is a decent possibility unless the personalities with him and Chip just wouldn't work, since Chip seems to be huge on that. Assume Griffin bombs out again - he's likely done with Washington and probably doesn't have much demand. Chip would probably love a buy-low like that, it seems to fit the theme of some of his buy lows this past offseason.

Beyond the obvious rushing/read option angle that RG3 provides, Chip seems to make the reads and decisions as easy as possible on his QBs. IMO Robert can still be a viable passer in the right setup, not sure if there'd be a better one for him than Philly.

 
I don't really follow Wash. but do they have anyone that can block on that team? It looks terrible every time I see RGIII play. And he looks frail and gangly or something, he doesn't fall well. Seems like a good guy but maybe a bit too mellow for the NFL. Have a feeling that it's been over for awhile and folks down there are in denial.... I hope I'm wrong and he has a great year... at whatever he decides to do.

 
He looks done. Pretty sad, considering how great he was his rookie year and how high his ceiling was. He's never been the same since that injury.

 
Tool said:
Between Mccoy and cousins any Skins homers have opinions on who's got the best shot to win the job?
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Sounds like Cousins. Gruden was supposedly high on him, but he benched him last year for McCoy. So who knows how much Gruden really likes Kirk. But it sounds like it's Kirk's job to lose from here

 
I'm starting to wonder if he'll even start this year - his $16M option is only guaranteed if he gets hurt so there's no incentive to put him into a game.

 
Admittedly-- I have been one of RG3s last defenders. I haven't done it publicly to avoid being eaten alive by the Sharks in here. I've been the optimist that's always taken the "oh he's just being played that way in the media" route. Well, my friends, I have finally opened my eyes to see the light.

I'm coming clean on this beautiful 2nd day of September 2015 to state that RG3 is a read option QB and a read option QB only. I am now on the same boat as everyone else, as I have aborted USS RG3 after the latest sinkage. He cannot and won't be a pocket passer, folks. You guys already know this and I've got enough evidence from watching his every snap and only focusing on the good things (or trying to).

I will never forget the amount of pride he gave me to be a Redskins fan during his rookie year. I will also never forget the feelings I felt of actually being somewhat good and dangerous as an offense. Those feelings are probably to blame for me holding on for this long.

 
SeanTaylor21 said:
Admittedly-- I have been one of RG3s last defenders. I haven't done it publicly to avoid being eaten alive by the Sharks in here. I've been the optimist that's always taken the "oh he's just being played that way in the media" route. Well, my friends, I have finally opened my eyes to see the light.

I'm coming clean on this beautiful 2nd day of September 2015 to state that RG3 is a read option QB and a read option QB only. I am now on the same boat as everyone else, as I have aborted USS RG3 after the latest sinkage. He cannot and won't be a pocket passer, folks. You guys already know this and I've got enough evidence from watching his every snap and only focusing on the good things (or trying to).

I will never forget the amount of pride he gave me to be a Redskins fan during his rookie year. I will also never forget the feelings I felt of actually being somewhat good and dangerous as an offense. Those feelings are probably to blame for me holding on for this long.
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:welcome: back to the land of reality, friend. Grab a cold one or two. The last official act you need to do is cleanse your roster of him. Let him go. It will feel better than cutting the cord on cable.

 
Shutout said:
SeanTaylor21 said:
Admittedly-- I have been one of RG3s last defenders. I haven't done it publicly to avoid being eaten alive by the Sharks in here. I've been the optimist that's always taken the "oh he's just being played that way in the media" route. Well, my friends, I have finally opened my eyes to see the light.

I'm coming clean on this beautiful 2nd day of September 2015 to state that RG3 is a read option QB and a read option QB only. I am now on the same boat as everyone else, as I have aborted USS RG3 after the latest sinkage. He cannot and won't be a pocket passer, folks. You guys already know this and I've got enough evidence from watching his every snap and only focusing on the good things (or trying to).

I will never forget the amount of pride he gave me to be a Redskins fan during his rookie year. I will also never forget the feelings I felt of actually being somewhat good and dangerous as an offense. Those feelings are probably to blame for me holding on for this long.
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:welcome: back to the land of reality, friend. Grab a cold one or two. The last official act you need to do is cleanse your roster of him. Let him go. It will feel better than cutting the cord on cable.
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Literally just did. Bittersweet moment for me.

 
Rotoworld:

Robert Griffin III - QB - Redskins

A neurologist is expected to examine Robert Griffin III (concussion) on Thursday or Friday.

ESPN Redskins reporter John Keim speculates Washington could decide to release Griffin if he is cleared. Griffin's $16.155 million fifth-year option is guaranteed for injury only, meaning Griffin has to pass a physical before the Redskins can release him. Given his injury history, even allowing Griffin to practice with the team the next year risks an injury which could leave Washington on the hook for his entire 2016 salary.

Source: ESPN

Sep 3 - 8:35 AM
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Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Robert Griffin III - QB - Redskins

A neurologist is expected to examine Robert Griffin III (concussion) on Thursday or Friday.

ESPN Redskins reporter John Keim speculates Washington could decide to release Griffin if he is cleared. Griffin's $16.155 million fifth-year option is guaranteed for injury only, meaning Griffin has to pass a physical before the Redskins can release him. Given his injury history, even allowing Griffin to practice with the team the next year risks an injury which could leave Washington on the hook for his entire 2016 salary.

Source: ESPN

Sep 3 - 8:35 AM
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That's what I'd do.

Giving him the 5th year option was stupid unless it was part of their to have an excuse to cut him.

 
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cstu said:
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Robert Griffin III - QB - Redskins

A neurologist is expected to examine Robert Griffin III (concussion) on Thursday or Friday.

ESPN Redskins reporter John Keim speculates Washington could decide to release Griffin if he is cleared. Griffin's $16.155 million fifth-year option is guaranteed for injury only, meaning Griffin has to pass a physical before the Redskins can release him. Given his injury history, even allowing Griffin to practice with the team the next year risks an injury which could leave Washington on the hook for his entire 2016 salary.

Source: ESPN

Sep 3 - 8:35 AM
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That's why I'd do.

Giving him the 5th year option was stupid unless it was part of their to have an excuse to cut him.
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Agree... If he passes his physical today or tomorrow or whenever it is; just do it. I don't know what kind of reasoning they need to give or whatnot and it's just going to be more media attention when it happens. Just get it over with.

 
I still like RG3, but there's no reason for the Skins to keep him at this point.

It's obvious he isn't in their future plans, so why not just cut him after he passes the concussion protocol? They're definitely not paying him $16M next season if they don't even think he deserves a shot to start this year.

I originally thought the 5th year option was a smart move. But, since they want no part of him, I don't get why they picked it up, only to bench him before the season even started.

 
SeanTaylor21 said:
Admittedly-- I have been one of RG3s last defenders. I haven't done it publicly to avoid being eaten alive by the Sharks in here. I've been the optimist that's always taken the "oh he's just being played that way in the media" route. Well, my friends, I have finally opened my eyes to see the light.

I'm coming clean on this beautiful 2nd day of September 2015 to state that RG3 is a read option QB and a read option QB only. I am now on the same boat as everyone else, as I have aborted USS RG3 after the latest sinkage. He cannot and won't be a pocket passer, folks. You guys already know this and I've got enough evidence from watching his every snap and only focusing on the good things (or trying to).

I will never forget the amount of pride he gave me to be a Redskins fan during his rookie year. I will also never forget the feelings I felt of actually being somewhat good and dangerous as an offense. Those feelings are probably to blame for me holding on for this long.
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I am curious: unless you re-watched previous seasons' tape, what did you see in this preseason to change your mind?

 
I still think he's got a shot in the league. This is a league where guys like Matt Cassell get recycled over and over. You'd have to think he would have a chance to unseat a guy like Tyrod or Mallett.

 
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