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*** Official *** Rogue One - A Star Wars Story (2 Viewers)

shadyridr said:
Kylo ren was hurt and we still don't know about Reys past. I think it's silly to complain about that. There are still two more movies to explain it. 
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I NEED EXPLANATIONS NOW DAMMIT THERE ARE SO MANY PLOT HOLES THAT COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE EXPLAINED IN THE NEXT 6 HOURS OF MOVIES

 
Skoo said:
Unless Rey already had Jedi training as a child.

There's a lot of very simple ways they can explain Rey's power/use of the force.

They make it very obvious that Kylo is injured, and very obvious that he is immature and in need of more training.
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and... Lets not forget that Rey was quite proficient in hand to hand combat while using a staff. 

 
I think Kylo Ren is pretty badass. He's young and not yet fully trained so he lets his emotions get the best of him, but he's very powerful. Don't forget, Luke was a whiny ##### in ANH too, yet he's undoubtedly a badass by ROTJ.

 
The story showed Kylo Ren as a badass in one of the opening scenes, where Kylo Ren stops the laser blast mid air with the force - something we never saw any previous jedi do in the movies.  As the movie went on, Kylo was shown to be less of a badass and more of an immature kid with potential.

I like the idea of explaining Rey's proficiency in use of the force (force flying the light saber, jedi mind trick, etc.) on training as a young child, as I do believe that her skills were inconsistent with what previous Star Wars movies have shown us is necessary to become good at using the force.

 
Capella said:
I NEED EXPLANATIONS NOW DAMMIT THERE ARE SO MANY PLOT HOLES THAT COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE EXPLAINED IN THE NEXT 6 HOURS OF MOVIES
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I don't think Rey defeating the Kylo is a plot hole, more just an amusing quirk in the story. People typically enjoy talking about movies they've seen and discussing certain things they liked and other things that don't seem to make sense. One of the cool things about this new movie is it explains in a very creative way one of the bigger head-scratchers of the Star Wars world. There are probably a dozen or so more out there that are interesting to discuss.  I didn't care about it as a kid when I first saw that movie, but later - probably some time in college - someone noted how strange it was that the death star could be completely destroyed by a single shot down an exhaust pipe. I like that this movie explained that and did it in the context of another great movie. Rey beating the sith guy seemed really lame at the time, so its nice to have people that follow this stuff much closer explain it to those of us who just kick back and enjoy the movie.

 
Why was Rey able to hold her own versus Kylo?

For the same reason that some people can get "A's" on tests without studying - they're simply more talented.

 
The "lazy writing" criticism that is thrown around everywhere is amusing. 

I can only imagine how far we would have advanced culturally as a society if all of the accountants, lawyers, school teachers, and middle-managers here had instead pursued a career writing scripts for film and television. 

It would be a golden age. Oh, what could have been. 

 
I only saw Rogue One yesterday.  Would someone direct me to the pages in this thread with R1 discussion?  Or do I need to go to The Force Awakes thread for that?

 
Skipdog77 said:
The "lazy writing" criticism that is thrown around everywhere is amusing. 

I can only imagine how far we would have advanced culturally as a society if all of the accountants, lawyers, school teachers, and middle-managers here had instead pursued a career writing scripts for film and television. 

It would be a golden age. Oh, what could have been. 
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Based on the last few pages, it sounds like the bold would be creating a lot of plot holes

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
The Rey vs. Kylo criticisms continue to be overstated. There is a reason they had Han remark three separate times about how powerful Chewie's bowcaster was. Which out of context made NO SENSE since they've traveled together for decades. But they were letting the viewer know what a badass, powerful weapon it was not for the yuks, but so that when Chewie nailed Kylo in the side with it we'd know he was seriously injured, and though drawing on that pain for power through the darkside sustained him, he was still majorly ####ed up already when he was bested by Rey. And on top of that, Snoke makes it clear that Kylo isn't fully trained, either. It just hasn't mattered with no other force users around to contest them since Luke went into hiding. And Rey is obviously an exceptionally strong force user. Add all of that to the fact that she was still bested by Kylo until at the last moment she had one moment of clarity where she connected with the Force (mirroring the moment early on that allowed Luke to blow up the first Death Star), and it all becomes much more believable imo. All the lore and context is right in the movie, and anyone hating on it is just nitpicking or not paying close enough attention. 
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If you want to talk about the bowcaster, you could ask how Kylo let himself be shot by it in the first place.  We see Poe try to snipe him at the beginning of the movie and he's still able to stop the blaster bolt before it reaches him.  Chewie's shot goes through for some reason.

But aside from that, it's given that Rey has a strong ability in the Force.  But she starts mastering skills that Jedi have to train to learn without the training part.  The mind trick.  Wielding a light saber competently.  Kylo comes upon them in the forest and is throwing her around with the Force, but then she pulls the light saber away from him and out-duels him?

Of course there are problems on his side as well.  She hits him in the face with a light saber attack and he just ends up with a little scar.  So many problems with that end fight.

Also, Luke had a moment of clarity with the Force that helped him destroy the Death Star in ANH, but he mentions that he's had experience shooting small targets and flying through canyons from his time on Tatooine, so this doesn't come out of nowhere.

 
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Skipdog77 said:
The "lazy writing" criticism that is thrown around everywhere is amusing. 

I can only imagine how far we would have advanced culturally as a society if all of the accountants, lawyers, school teachers, and middle-managers here had instead pursued a career writing scripts for film and television. 

It would be a golden age. Oh, what could have been. 
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Lawyers, accountants and businessmen are notoriously bad writers. I don't even know who wrote the Star Wars story. I guess I have a vague understanding that the different movies were written by different people, including George Lucas? The interesting question is whether the story would be better if it were written by a good SciFi / Fantasy author like Asimov, Tolkien, Gaiman, Heinlein.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Lawyers, accountants and businessmen are notoriously bad writers. I don't even know who wrote the Star Wars story. I guess I have a vague understanding that the different movies were written by different people, including George Lucas? The interesting question is whether the story would be better if it were written by a good SciFi / Fantasy author like Asimov, Tolkien, Gaiman, Heinlein.
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7 was written by JJ Adams, and the other two guys wrote Empire, Jedi, Raiders of Lost Ark; and Toy Story 3 and Little Miss Sunshine. That last guy won an oscar for best screenplay. 

I mean, google is right there. 

 
[scooter] said:
That is a good point about Vader not knowing what was on the disk. But it still doesn't explain when Vader says "Where are those transmissions you intercepted?" and "Several transmissions were beamed to this ship."

Vader says those things with all the confidence of someone who speaks the truth. Now we know he was just talking out of his butt and making a fool of himself.
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Well, didn't the movie end with Leah's ship going into hyperdrive (or whatever it's called)? I assume she's going straight to Tatooine so I doubt it's a lot of time that passes, but Vader has to reboard his ship, find out where Leah is going, and hyper there himself, which gives him time to figure out what's going on and know what he's looking for when he tracks her ship down.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Why was Rey able to hold her own versus Kylo?

For the same reason that some people can get "A's" on tests without studying - they're simply more talented.
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Movie VIII better show her test scores and compare them to Kylo so i can verify this to be true. And not just gloss over it, I want an hour of the movie dedicated to that or else the majority of people watching this movie just won't believe any of it.

 
Capella said:
7 was written by JJ Adams, and the other two guys wrote Empire, Jedi, Raiders of Lost Ark; and Toy Story 3 and Little Miss Sunshine. That last guy won an oscar for best screenplay. 

I mean, google is right there. 
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I know I could have googled it if I wanted to know the answer. That wasn't the point. The movies are great, but the way they've come out with multiple different writers has created some inconsistencies in the story that make for interesting discussion. For me, that's the point of message board threads about movies. I like it when the SW geeks who follow it really closely can defend something that doesn't seem to make sense to casual viewers like me. Its like when the LoTR movies were popular, and the book readers were forced to explain all the apparent plot holes for the movie-goers. If someone like Tolkien had written the Star Wars story from beginning to end, it seems unlikely we'd have found Luke living on Tatooine using the name Skywalker, and we'd probably all understand why Vader didn't seem to realize Leia was his daughter in the opening scene of A New Hope.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
I know I could have googled it if I wanted to know the answer. That wasn't the point. The movies are great, but the way they've come out with multiple different writers has created some inconsistencies in the story that make for interesting discussion. For me, that's the point of message board threads about movies. I like it when the SW geeks who follow it really closely can defend something that doesn't seem to make sense to casual viewers like me. Its like when the LoTR movies were popular, and the book readers were forced to explain all the apparent plot holes for the movie-goers. If someone like Tolkien had written the Star Wars story from beginning to end, it seems unlikely we'd have found Luke living on Tatooine using the name Skywalker, and we'd probably all understand why Vader didn't seem to realize Leia was his daughter in the opening scene of A New Hope.
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I think the fact that you are so intellectually incurious to look that up and the fact you think there are plot holes due to different writers is linked.

 
bagger said:
I think the fact that you are so intellectually incurious to look that up and the fact you think there are plot holes due to different writers is linked.
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Agreed - I still don't know who any of the writers are and am not at all intellectually curious to learn about them. I tried to read some of the stories to my son a few years ago and we didn't get very far. Great movies though. I think this new one is better than the last one.

 
NewlyRetired said:
I wonder how much of 8 has been shot and whether they need to do any rewriting-reshooting based on Carrie passing away..
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I read today that it's all wrapped. 

I suppose there will be some re-shoots that will spin the mega fanboys up, but her part appears done. 

I was hoping they would write her out after this one, guess they'll have to find a way now. 

 
Just now watched this and have been avoiding this thread, and all articles, and I'm glad I did. The GFs teen son had seen it and said it was "OK - give it a 5 (out of 10)". Jesus, teenagers, I weep for our future. Anyhoo, I loved it - every bit of it- more than 7. Will get caught up and Hipple this thread but for now just basking in the afterglow of my StarWargasm.

 
My kids were lost, but I loved it. Smiled the whole time. Like The Force Awakens, a great looking film. I had to explain to my daughter that the ending is where "Star Wars" began. She said "so they went HD to analog?".

Dug the little cameos throughout like "Walrus Man" and the disfigured dude who got lippy with Luke in the Cantina. Also fun to see Naz from "The Night Of" and Danny from "Bloodlines" do good work.

 
Son and I both really enjoyed this one.  Not sure if the characters were quite on the level of 7, but I really liked that they were able to tell a self contained (for the most part) story, but not have it revolve around a Skywalkers or the Jedi.  I thought the action was great, and the 10year old KP in me still gets a film boner every time I see X-wing fighters screaming across the screen.  It had it's flaws, mostly the CGI characters they felt the need to have in there (Tarkin), but overall still had a smile on my face for most of the movie.  This one gives me optimism of how these side movies might go in between the main sequels. 

 
Daywalker said:
For the life of me I don't understand the criticism of the cgi characters.

95% of the audience did not know Tarkin was CGI.
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Did not know he was CGI. Spent several minutes wondering how they found an actor that looked so much like him. 

 
Daywalker said:
For the life of me I don't understand the criticism of the cgi characters.

95% of the audience did not know Tarkin was CGI.
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Yeah.  Seems like a weird thing to focus on in the midst of an astonishingly good movie with a killer (sorry, rebel fleet troopers) ending.  I mean, the effect was amazing. 

Plus, this is FBG, right?  I can't believe there's more discussion of Tarkin's face than how cute & hot Felicity Jones was - if we're not going to muse about the actual movie, that Is.  

May be seeing it again this weekend. 

 
Mr. Pickles said:
I knew he was CGI but thought the effect was incredible. I was surprised to read such negative reactions. 
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My favorite is the guy here who confidently said they just needed to film it, then add some makeup to the look to lighten it up, as if he just solved a billion dollar question that has plagued these genius people doing this work. 

 
Capella said:
Did you know the guy playing Vader this time is different than the guy who played him in the 70s? Why didn't they cgi him in too? Really makes you think. 
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I did. His movements were not the same as David Prowse's and it was noticeable.

I didn't go MOP and start chucking pennies or anything. 

 
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Also, I am sure that the loudest voices out of the people who didn't like it probably are from movie critics who are paid to notice these things and super Star Wars nerds.  I didn't mind it for a bit, but thought it could have been a lot more effective if they didn't focus on him for so long.  Of course I am overly grumpy about GCI and seem to be hyper sensitive to it because I don't like it in general.  Again, it was a small quibble for me, and I really liked the movie.  For me it was on par with 7. 

 
In all the planet surfing that they showed, they should have showed Naboo and the Gungans. At least Boss Nass rallying the troops there or something. After all, Jar Jar was in the Senate and deserved some screen time. He was pivotal in the Emperor getting power and all. He could have been pivotal in redeeming himself. A bigly missed opportunity, meesa thinks. 

 
Mario Kart said:
In all the planet surfing that they showed, they should have showed Naboo and the Gungans. At least Boss Nass rallying the troops there or something. After all, Jar Jar was in the Senate and deserved some screen time. He was pivotal in the Emperor getting power and all. He could have been pivotal in redeeming himself. A bigly missed opportunity, meesa thinks. 
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No more jar jar.  Ever.  Thx in advance

 
Pretty sure the people in this thread who didn't like it, or are hyperfocusing on bits they didn't like are just  :fishing: .

I don't blame them for trying. Star Wars nerds are so easy to hook it can be done with bait that isn't obvious.  

 
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