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*** Official Russia vs. Ukraine Discussion - Invasion has begun *** (5 Viewers)

Read somewhere thoughts that 'all is going according to plan' for Russia... if... this is the backup plan after ground failure. Putin could be trying to appear unhinged and targeting civilians to force a faster settlement in which they get more oil- and gas-rich areas and a direct land path to Crimea. Pulling back forces and focusing on shelling civilians might pressure Ukraine to end things faster, giving up a little more land in order to save a few weeks of bombing. In the end they might get all the energy resources and leave Ukraine landlocked, broke, and short of natural resources, hamstringing Western countries to support them financially while Putin takes all the energy. 

 
Runkle said:
Read somewhere thoughts that 'all is going according to plan' for Russia... if... this is the backup plan after ground failure. Putin could be trying to appear unhinged and targeting civilians to force a faster settlement in which they get more oil- and gas-rich areas and a direct land path to Crimea. Pulling back forces and focusing on shelling civilians might pressure Ukraine to end things faster, giving up a little more land in order to save a few weeks of bombing. In the end they might get all the energy resources and leave Ukraine landlocked, broke, and short of natural resources, hamstringing Western countries to support them financially while Putin takes all the energy. 
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Zelenskyy isn’t going to give Putin an inch of real estate, because if he does, nothing is going to stop Vlad from trying this again, either against Ukraine or someone else. He needs to take all of his Russian toy soldiers and go march around Siberia a few dozen times. They(probably) won’t lose an invasion there.

 
Kal El said:
Zelenskyy isn’t going to give Putin an inch of real estate, because if he does, nothing is going to stop Vlad from trying this again, either against Ukraine or someone else. He needs to take all of his Russian toy soldiers and go march around Siberia a few dozen times. They(probably) won’t lose an invasion there.
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He already said that he knows they will be ceding some of the land that the Russians currently occupy.  They are going to get Crimea and there will be a referendum on the eastern areas.

 
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JaxBill said:
well....duh

@JuliaDavisNews: Putin has been misinformed by his advisers about the Russian military’s struggles in Ukraine, according to declassified U.S. intelligence. It shows growing tension between Putin & the Ministry of Defense, including Russian defense minister, Sergei Shoigu.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/30/world/europe/putin-advisers-ukraine.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
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To be a fly on the wall in that room when he finds out. I’m picturing the Russian version of the scene from “Downfall.”

 
Kal El said:
To be a fly on the wall in that room when he finds out. I’m picturing the Russian version of the scene from “Downfall.”
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I'm picturing Governor Lepetomane from Blazing Saddles.

Great, now I'm picturing Miss Stein from Blazing Saddles...

 
JaxBill said:
well....duh

@JuliaDavisNews: Putin has been misinformed by his advisers about the Russian military’s struggles in Ukraine, according to declassified U.S. intelligence. It shows growing tension between Putin & the Ministry of Defense, including Russian defense minister, Sergei Shoigu.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/30/world/europe/putin-advisers-ukraine.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
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That tends to happen when you toss all your advisers out windows. 

 
JaxBill said:
so the Russians are desperate enough for men/equipment that they deployed an Arctic unit to Kharkiv.

Their commander was killed yesterday and they left this odd vehicle  behind too.
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Looks kinda similar to the EM-50 Urban Assault Vehicle we developed in the 80's. It was used on one deployment that I'm aware of and even though it preformed admirably I think the program fell out of favor and was discontinued.

 
Chernobyl employees say Russian soldiers had no idea what the plant was and call their behavior ‘suicidal’

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Weeks after Russian soldiers took over the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in northern Ukraine, new reports reveal that the invading forces have engaged in reckless behavior at the facility beyond their initial shelling of it. 

The Chernobyl power plant, which suffered a reactor meltdown in 1986 that left dangerously high radiation levels in the area, was the site of one of the first face-to-face confrontations in the Ukraine War. Russian forces won that battle, taking control of the reactors and raising concerns throughout Europe about their stewardship of them.

Recent reports show just how real those concerns were.

While the Russian army has occupied the Chernobyl plant, Ukrainian workers remain stationed there and overseeing the site’s safety protocols. Around 200 employees were still at Chernobyl as of March 7, according to the BBC, where they have continued carrying out duties despite limited food and medical supplies. Chernobyl workers are usually rotated out regularly, but since the Russian occupation employees have had to endure dangerous weeks-long shifts.

Two of these employees have reportedly witnessed instances of rash and dangerous conduct by the Russians, according to Reuters, with one source calling their behavior “suicidal.” Some soldiers had reportedly never heard about the disaster that some historians believe signaled the beginning of the end for the Soviet Union.

Shortly after the occupation started, Ukrainian officials warned that radiation levels at Chernobyl were rising due to a large number of heavy military machines disturbing the topsoil around the area. These reports have now been confirmed by employees working at Chernobyl around the time of the invasion who observed “a big convoy of military vehicles” driving straight through zones so contaminated with radiation that even trained safety workers at Chernobyl are not allowed to venture there.

Russian armored vehicles without radiation protection were seen driving through an area called the “Red Forest,” an area of woods four square miles in size surrounding the power plant. The area absorbed so much radiation from the Chernobyl explosion that its trees turned a gingery brown color, giving the forest its nickname. It is considered one of the world’s most radioactive places.
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BroncoFreak_2K3 said:
John Winger:
C'mon, it's Czechoslovakia. We zip in, we pick 'em up, we zip right out again. We're not going to Moscow. It's Czechoslovakia. It's like we're going into *Wisconsin*.
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Russell Ziskey: I once got my ### kicked in Wisconsin.

Faust said:
https://twitter.com/user/status/1509278005469847574
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I saw that yesterday and the story I saw was sourced from a Ukrainian Facebook page so I questioned the veracity of the report.

 
Tom Servo said:
Russians are morons for placing them openly like that and Ukrainians have brass sacks to drive through them.

Both can be true.
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We’ve already seen that Ukrainians might actually be incapable of giving a (redacted), and this is just another bit of evidence.

 
JaxBill said:
another interesting thread by Trent Telenko,  this time on irrational regimes

https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1509349920913907727

@TrentTelenko: Alright, this is the promised  thread🧵explaining the "Irrational Regime Hypothesis."

This is a national/institutional behavior template.

Warning: once you see this template.  You cannot unsee it.

1/ https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1509349920913907727/photo/1
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He's a terrific resource.

Here's a thread plugging 8 highly informative YT videos. Posting bc I have a mancrush on The Chieftain's tank channel.

This thread🧵is a series of youtube content creator videos I've watched and found useful.

 
Saw a few reports of two Ukrainian Hind helicopters attacking an oil depot in Russia this morning. Information was sketchy then and it may have been a false flag attack by Russians to use as an excuse for prolonged military presence but something to keep an eye on.

It wouldn't surprise me either way at this point. 

 
beer 30 said:
Saw a few reports of two Ukrainian Hind helicopters attacking an oil depot in Russia this morning. Information was sketchy then and it may have been a false flag attack by Russians to use as an excuse for prolonged military presence but something to keep an eye on.

It wouldn't surprise me either way at this point. 
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That's sort of a stupid false flag.  

 
culdeus said:
That's sort of a stupid false flag.  
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This whole invasion has been a cavalcade of dumb. No supplies, bad equipment, worse intelligence, unrealistic expectations, outdated strategy, and having the entire world basically lock you down as a direct result of your dictator’s actions. That’s not even mentioning that the nation they tried to invade is whipping them like it’s going out of style.

 
Venezia in a huge game for survival started both Busio and Tessman on the bench. 

I imagine a lot of our guys are going to be sitting out today just because of travel/time difference. Obviously that doesn't effect Tessman and Busio didn't play in Costa Rica but that's a long flight after a late night game. 

 
prefontaine said:
Venezia in a huge game for survival started both Busio and Tessman on the bench. 

I imagine a lot of our guys are going to be sitting out today just because of travel/time difference. Obviously that doesn't effect Tessman and Busio didn't play in Costa Rica but that's a long flight after a late night game. 
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:confused:  

 
prefontaine said:
Venezia in a huge game for survival started both Busio and Tessman on the bench. 

I imagine a lot of our guys are going to be sitting out today just because of travel/time difference. Obviously that doesn't effect Tessman and Busio didn't play in Costa Rica but that's a long flight after a late night game. 
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Trade for Gates if avail

 
prefontaine said:
Venezia in a huge game for survival started both Busio and Tessman on the bench. 

I imagine a lot of our guys are going to be sitting out today just because of travel/time difference. Obviously that doesn't effect Tessman and Busio didn't play in Costa Rica but that's a long flight after a late night game. 
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If that doesn't motivate Tatum Bell, nothing will.

 
JaxBill said:
sorry to break the levity

@IAPonomarenko: In just-liberated Bucha northwest of Kyiv, a mass grave of nearly 280 civilians

@IntelCrab: The situation in/around #Bucha is hard to put into words. Some of the worst photos/videos I've seen since the war started.
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i read somewhere that some of the graves in areas were lined with mines. 

 
JaxBill said:
there are also pictures of unarmed citizens with hands tied, shot dead and left on the street.  I chose not to link to them.
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Wise choice, and frankly, I don’t need another reason to want to see Vlad suffer. I’m about out of pity for the citizenry, too. 

 
culdeus said:
Which citizenry?
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The Russian citizenry, I should have clarified. I feel awful for the Ukrainians, but the Russians who are merely not getting their bags of sugar? Yeah, I don’t feel bad for them.

 
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