Chaos Commish
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/MaxRTucker/status/1512529009661419530
I don't know if the number is right, but I have read about this over and over again.
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That, coupled with Russia’s plan to send Ukrainians to Siberia and the Arctic Circle, fills me more with anger.
JaxBill
Footballguy
This is actually amazing, almost to the point that I might need a cigarette after reading that. I won’t spoil the details, because it’s an interesting read, but it basically means that Putin has dug Russia’s grave with this. They can’t win, their bluster is just that, and they’re in for the harshest of reality checks.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Viktor Medvedchuk, Putin’s main man in Ukraine, busted as a result of a Ukrainian spec op.
Hah! It's possible US/UK intel has been the biggest difference maker of all. Viktor is wearing Ukranian chamo. I hate being entertained by war, but this is too good.
Hah! It's possible US/UK intel has been the biggest difference maker of all. Viktor is wearing Ukranian chamo. I hate being entertained by war, but this is too good.
JaxBill
Footballguy
The rest of the thread makes it sound like his wife took all his stuff with her to Russia.
It’s always fine mocking the arrogant who also choose to be stupid. I get the feeling this guy is headed to a cell for a while.
JaxBill
Footballguy
@visegrad24: Somebody has sabotaged the railway tracks near Belgorod, a Russian border town close to the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv.
It will put a stop to Russian troop redeployments from Kyiv to the Donbas for a while.
Looks like Ukraine has sabotage teams working within Russia itself. https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1513821648394334209/photo/1
It will put a stop to Russian troop redeployments from Kyiv to the Donbas for a while.
Looks like Ukraine has sabotage teams working within Russia itself. https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1513821648394334209/photo/1
I saw in related tweets to the one above, someone is sabotaging railways in Belgorod, which is a Russian border city not far from Kharkiv. It’s going to make Russian troop and equipment movement even harder. The tweet suggested that it’s possible Ukrainian saboteurs have been hard at work, to which I say good for them! Russia wants to destroy your country, go right ahead and break as much of their already crappy stuff as you can!
ETA:Clearly JaxBill and I saw the same tweet.
ETA:Clearly JaxBill and I saw the same tweet.
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JaxBill
Footballguy
@ChuckPfarrer: THE PURGE: Putin has responded to failures in Ukraine by jailing more that 150 agents of his FSB intelligence service. Also sent to sent to Lefortovo prison was Sergei Beseda, boss of the FSB's 5th Directorate, in charge of intel in the ex-Soviet Republics-- including Ukraine. https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1513691167820558340/photo/1
@thetimes: The service’s former chief, Sergei Beseda, 68, has been sent to Lefortovo prison in Moscow after he was placed under house arrest last month.
The prison was used by the NKVD for interrogation and torture during Stalin’s Great Purge of the 1930s https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kremlin-arrests-top-general-in-hunt-for-invasion-scapegoats-mrfdbmcxv?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=ukraine&utm_medium=branded_social
@thetimes: The service’s former chief, Sergei Beseda, 68, has been sent to Lefortovo prison in Moscow after he was placed under house arrest last month.
The prison was used by the NKVD for interrogation and torture during Stalin’s Great Purge of the 1930s https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kremlin-arrests-top-general-in-hunt-for-invasion-scapegoats-mrfdbmcxv?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=ukraine&utm_medium=branded_social
RandyDB
Footballguy
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
I needed a lung dart after reading that too. It gives me confidence the good guys are going to win.
The main problem is that while they’re going to fail and lose spectacularly, they’ll still kill innocents and commit war crimes while their time runs out.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
I disagree. Russia's military seems to be very very good at what it does. And that is to just bomb everything in to oblivion. They did it in Syria and now are doing it in Ukraine. This shouldn't be taken lightly.
Syria put up no defense and got bombed badly. Ukraine is putting up a defense and keeping Russia at bay, to the point that they don’t even have air superiority in the country. They’re not good at fighting someone who can fight back.
Sweden and Finland(the latter of whom is already preparing to crush any Russian invasion), are debating today to join NATO, possibly moving forward on ending their neutrality. Whatever Russia’s doing to try and intimidate everyone, it’s not working. At all. They’re threatening nations who immediately turn around and look at NATO and go, “It’s not our first choice, but it’s certainly better than whatever Vlad is threatening.”
JaxBill
Footballguy
@arawnsley: Have you ever ####ed up so badly that you made Sweden and Finland joint NATO?
JaxBill
Footballguy
Except they're literally running out of certain types of missiles. Estimates are they've used 1700 - 2000 missiles in Ukraine. They're using anti-ship missiles on land targets. They're using a lot of dumb bombs and some antiquated missile systems.
JaxBill
Footballguy
@KyivPost: The Pentagon said that #Russia is running out of precision-guided munitions. Besides, they are expensive, hard to find, and sometimes unreliable.
The #US is also estimating a failure rate of up to 60% for the warheads of some Russian missiles, officials say. https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1507277613399785505/photo/1
The #US is also estimating a failure rate of up to 60% for the warheads of some Russian missiles, officials say. https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1507277613399785505/photo/1
.400 is an amazing batting average, but definitely not what anyone wants for their precision guided munitions.
beer 30
Footballguy
Somebody (maybe you) posted yesterday we are expending a fair amount of Javelins and Laws for Ukraine's sake. Given the current chip shortages we are seeing all over the world effecting every facet of production, we won't be replacing them nearly as quickly as pre-covid days. Something to think about.
Who else would we need them for? China? They’re almost dependent on us buying their stuff as it is, and clearly Russia isn’t about to open up another losing front that quickly.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
My only concern is whether this is something that backs Russia into such a corner that they start doing more crazy things.
We’re not forcing Russia to do anything. They’re the ones antagonizing everyone within shouting distance, the other nations are well within their rights to choose a path they feel gives them the best chance at not winding up having to beat Russian soldiers back across their borders.Leeroy Jenkins said:
beer 30
Footballguy
I don't have an answer for that but strategically, we're publicizing this information to anyone who wants to listen so it creates an opportunity for someone should they decide to invade, say Taiwan. We didn't anticipate having to supply a proxy war or leave $80 gajillion dollars of stuff in Afghanistan but here we are.Kal El said:
Just saying we should keep an eye on it before we goes all in. And yes, I realize we spend 25 times more than the next 50 countries combined in defense so we could probably use to deplete inventory some but I envision spending cuts in the future for defense so all coupled together, let's just not leave the shelves bare.
That’s fair, but Taiwan is an island, and islands are much, much harder to invade. There are only two options to do so, sea or air; and both leave the potential invaders wide open to missile attack. I also get the feeling that when nations do publicize their weapons numbers, they undercut the number to throw potential enemies off.
JaxBill
Footballguy
beer 30 said:
@watcher_zero: @Charles_Lister To add, just heard the Pentagon is summoning the 8 largest US Arms manufacturers to tell them to discuss moving to a wartime production rate (i.e. outsourcing production, using spare capacity at one firm to help produce equipment for anothers order, etc..)
https://www.reuters.com/world/pentagon-asks-top-8-us-arms-makers-meet-ukraine-sources-2022-04-12/
beer 30
Footballguy
I know I'm coming off as negative toward the efforts here but we're financing this war now? When does this end for us? We can't go a month without ramping up the war machine and filling pockets.
JaxBill
Footballguy
It's been quite evident this is a proxy war. Only thing holding it back from the real thing are US uniformed personnel and those pesky Mig29s that US has put the kibosh on
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Sting - Russians (Guitar / Cello Version)
He's tweaked it a few times since the original release in 1985 and looks like he's rolling it back out for the war.
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JaxBill
Footballguy
I read this was going on but that number is shocking.
@DefenceU: russian invaders have already forcibly evacuated more than 500,000 people from Ukraine, a number that can be compared with the population of an entire European city such as Tallinn, President @ZelenskyyUa said in his address to the Estonian parliament. #ArmUkraineNow (1/3)
@DefenceU: There are recorded cases of parents being forcibly separated from their children. russia is preparing to give abducted Ukrainian orphans up for adoption to russian families. russian “denazifiers” act in the same way as the Nazis in 1941-43. #ArmUkraineNow (3/3)
@DefenceU: russian invaders have already forcibly evacuated more than 500,000 people from Ukraine, a number that can be compared with the population of an entire European city such as Tallinn, President @ZelenskyyUa said in his address to the Estonian parliament. #ArmUkraineNow (1/3)
@DefenceU: There are recorded cases of parents being forcibly separated from their children. russia is preparing to give abducted Ukrainian orphans up for adoption to russian families. russian “denazifiers” act in the same way as the Nazis in 1941-43. #ArmUkraineNow (3/3)
For those trying to put that number in perspective, that’s as if the Russians basically took the entire population of Detroit. I hope Russian crops fail, I hope their factories burn, and I hope they never know a moment’s peace for what they have done.
ETA: Didn’t check my numbers, Detroit’s made a population rebound.
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culdeus
Footballguy
JaxBill
Footballguy
@LtTimMcMillan: BREAKING: Head of the Odesa Regional Defense and Ukrainian presidential adviser Oleksiy Arestovych confirm the flag ship of the Russian Black Sea fleet, the missile cruiser “Moskva” was hit and on fire following 2 Neptune missile strikes. https://twitter.com/LtTimMcMillan/status/1514338032253652992/photo/1
@LtTimMcMillan: (2) The Project 1164 Atlant class guided missile cruiser, “Moskva” is the Russian ship from the legendary Snake Island, “Russian Warship go #### Yourself” incident. https://twitter.com/LtTimMcMillan/status/1514338039706923020/photo/1
@LtTimMcMillan: (2) The Project 1164 Atlant class guided missile cruiser, “Moskva” is the Russian ship from the legendary Snake Island, “Russian Warship go #### Yourself” incident. https://twitter.com/LtTimMcMillan/status/1514338039706923020/photo/1
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
I started singing along and it’s probably been 30 years since I heard that song. It is a shame the song is relevant again.
JaxBill
Footballguy
lolz
@ELINTNews: Putin’s 79 dimensional chess continues. In his latest tactical masterpiece he’s lost a naval flagship to a country without a navy https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1514389600998985730/photo/1
@ELINTNews: Putin’s 79 dimensional chess continues. In his latest tactical masterpiece he’s lost a naval flagship to a country without a navy https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1514389600998985730/photo/1
It still baffles me just how bad a former superpower’s military could possibly be with the thing they’re(supposedly) trained to do.
Interesting question. My guess is that it’s at least possible, considering those same shots can destroy a tank, and if that hits a ship below the waterline, bad things could be in their future.
JaxBill
Footballguy
I had questions about the list of US aid this week includes...
One mystery on the list is an unspecified number and type of “unmanned coastal defense vessels” that the U.S. Navy will provide. Kirby described the drone heading to Ukraine only as “a surface vessel that can be used for a variety of coastal defense missions,” adding amid questions: “I assure you that they work.”
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
I'm sure there's some kamikaze unmanned subs out there. Basically a drone torpedo.
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