Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
***Official Seattle NBA NHL teams placeholder*** (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Fennis
- Start date
The General
Footballguy
Saw that remark on twitter. The little ####stick couldn't resist himself. What hemroid that guy is.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Maloof is still playing the "it is not over card"
George Maloof quote after the vote:
“If it had to turn out this way, it’s fine with us,” he said, according to NBA.com. “But my loyalty’s to Chris because he stepped up. … [Johnson] did a great job. He put a great team together. We’ll see what happens. It’s not over.”
George Maloof quote after the vote:
“If it had to turn out this way, it’s fine with us,” he said, according to NBA.com. “But my loyalty’s to Chris because he stepped up. … [Johnson] did a great job. He put a great team together. We’ll see what happens. It’s not over.”
jonessed
Footballguy
These guys love attention, which is why they will make things as difficult as possible for Sacramento. They will likely play Hansen for awhile as well.Interpreting this as "Seatte still has a shot" is grasping at straws though.
Last edited by a moderator:
Dinkle Heimer
Footballguy
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
And that is that. Maloofs not 100% out, but no longer control team
Maloofs, Sacramento group agree
Maloofs, Sacramento group agree
Fennis
Footballguy
Seems like the typical you better get a deal done or the team is moving to Seattle BS to me.
Report: NHL has Plan B for Coyotes involving Seattle, Jeremy Roenick
Report: NHL has Plan B for Coyotes involving Seattle, Jeremy Roenick
Last edited by a moderator:
ex-ghost
Footballguy
Fennis
Footballguy
More:
Chris Daniels@ChrisDaniels5
BREAKING: Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn acknowledges recent discussions with NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman
@ChrisDaniels5BREAKING: NHL investors also met with Seattle City Council members.
Chris Daniels@ChrisDaniels540m
BREAKING: McGinn says a Hansen rep introduced him to potential Seattle NHL investors two weeks ago.
Chris Daniels@ChrisDaniels5
BREAKING: McGinn “We believe we can support the NHL in Key Arena”.
Chris Daniels@ChrisDaniels5
NOW: I can also now confirm Lanza and Bartoszek are the two investors interested in bringing Coyotes to Seattle. #NHL
Chris Daniels@ChrisDaniels5
BREAKING: Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn acknowledges recent discussions with NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman
@ChrisDaniels5BREAKING: NHL investors also met with Seattle City Council members.
Chris Daniels@ChrisDaniels540m
BREAKING: McGinn says a Hansen rep introduced him to potential Seattle NHL investors two weeks ago.
Chris Daniels@ChrisDaniels5
BREAKING: McGinn “We believe we can support the NHL in Key Arena”.
Chris Daniels@ChrisDaniels5
NOW: I can also now confirm Lanza and Bartoszek are the two investors interested in bringing Coyotes to Seattle. #NHL
Joe Summer
Footballguy
The Phoenix Coyotes have been bleeding money for years. They've been dead last in attendance over the last 5 years, with about 13,000 fans per night.
Quebec City, Toronto, and Seattle should be the top-3 cities to consider for relocating an NHL team. KC has the arena, but I don't believe the market can support an NHL team.
Last edited by a moderator:
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
The MLS team in KC is wonderfully supported these days. I think they typically play to stand room only crowds in the gorgeous new stadium they built and this was after people said MLS would never work in KC after the Hunt's struggled with the franchise for so many years.
Do you feel an NHL team would struggle in KC or simply just not be as successful as other cities?
Last edited by a moderator:
The Toronto market could easily support a 2nd and even a 3rd team. The Maple Leafs have fought against it every step of the way though because they love having a monopoly and all the revenue it helps them generate.
Markets like Vancouver and Montreal could probably both support a 2nd team as well.
some good info here from Nate Silver: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/31/why-cant-canada-win-the-stanley-cup/
Using his google search term criteria to identify hockey fans, he estimated about a quarter million in Seattle vs just 75,000 in Kansas City.
Last edited by a moderator:
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
coming back as the Seattle Metros!!!!!
proninja
Footballguy
Last edited by a moderator:
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
Bring back the Aeros! I loved that they used to have championship banners from three different leagues hanging in the rafters.
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
The Milwaukee Bucks will be the next Seattle franchise. Calling it now.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Dave Pagnotta @thefourthperiod: Really seems like City of Glendale wants Jobing Arena to be a ghost barn in the near future. Not sounding promising for Coyotes. Again.
4:05pm - 21 Jun 13
4:05pm - 21 Jun 13
GoFishTN
Footballguy
Most (all?) of the warm weather teams are at the bottom along with Columbus. It's really time for the NHL to move these teams somewhere else.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Big vote on Tuesday in Glendale. A no vote will most likely secure a Coyotes move to Seattle:
http://m.espn.go.com/nhl/story?storyId=9430546&src=desktop
azgroover
Footballguy
So last night, Glendale threw in a 5 year out-clause similar to the buyers'.
This deal is DOA.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/20130628coyotes-glendale-deal-peril.html
This deal is DOA.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/20130628coyotes-glendale-deal-peril.html
Beetlejuice
Footballguy
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
What would have prevented IceArizona from taking the $15 million a year, then giving all their executives massive bonuses, then claiming that they didn't have enough money to pay it back?
azgroover
Footballguy
Oh well, if Atlanta got another chance, maybe Phoenix will sometime down the road too when all of the recently built stadiums start to age and those teams need some leverage.
Chris Hansen has been bankrolling a signature drive to force a public vote on the Sacramento arena deal over the last few weeks- so much for "regretting" trying to steal the team. Will not look good when the NBA revisits the expansion issue. Maybe Ballmer will pick a different horse.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Here is more on the Hansen story.
=========
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9575561/chris-hansen-gave-money-group-opposing-new-sacramento-kings-arena-documents-show
Weeks after his aggressive bid to buy and relocate the Sacramento Kings to Seattle failed, hedge fund manager Chris Hansen bankrolled an effort to undercut a deal the team's new owners made to build an arena in Sacramento, documents show.
The documents, filed Friday with the California Secretary of State, show that Hansen donated $100,000 on June 21 to a political action committee attempting to halt the $448 million deal to build the Kings a new downtown arena.
Hansen's clandestine support of a campaign against the project could be seen as an effort to derail the plans again.
Hansen said he "made a mistake" by giving a Los Angeles law firm $100,000. The firm secretly funneled $80,000 to a group gathering signatures to force a public vote on the arena plan, which would have at least $258 million in public money.
"While I'm sure everyone can appreciate how easy it is to get caught up the heat of battle, with the benefit of hindsight, this is clearly a decision I regret," Hansen said in a statement, noting the money came from him and not on behalf of the Seattle ownership group or its partners. "I wish the city of Sacramento and Kings fans the best in their efforts and they have my commitment not to have any involvement in their arena efforts in the future."
The Sacramento Bee first reported Hansen's donation, which was kept secret until a political watchdog group filed a lawsuit to compel the name of the donor to be made public this week.
In May, NBA owners rejected Hansen's record bid that would have valued the Kings at $625 million. That forced the Maloof family to sell the team to software mogul Ranadive for a valuation of $534 million. Ranadive made a deal with Sacramento officials to build the new arena without a public vote, a factor that pushed NBA owners to vote against Hansen's strong bid.
Ranadive's purchase closed on May 31, but three weeks later, documents show, Hansen made the $100,000 donation.
A group named the Sacramento Taxpayers Opposed to Pork (STOP), which organized a signature drive to get an issue on the ballot next June, said it wasn't aware of Hansen's aid.
"We were working independently, and another group of paid signature gatherers was working alongside us," STOP spokesman John Hyde said. "We didn't know who was funding it. We certainly weren't aware Chris Hansen had donated."
Hyde said the group has more than half of the 22,000 signatures needed to get the issue on the ballot, and it will continue to collect them independently before a December deadline. There is also a lawsuit that has been filed against the arena project over the land where the city plans to construct the arena.
=========
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9575561/chris-hansen-gave-money-group-opposing-new-sacramento-kings-arena-documents-show
Weeks after his aggressive bid to buy and relocate the Sacramento Kings to Seattle failed, hedge fund manager Chris Hansen bankrolled an effort to undercut a deal the team's new owners made to build an arena in Sacramento, documents show.
The documents, filed Friday with the California Secretary of State, show that Hansen donated $100,000 on June 21 to a political action committee attempting to halt the $448 million deal to build the Kings a new downtown arena.
Hansen's clandestine support of a campaign against the project could be seen as an effort to derail the plans again.
Hansen said he "made a mistake" by giving a Los Angeles law firm $100,000. The firm secretly funneled $80,000 to a group gathering signatures to force a public vote on the arena plan, which would have at least $258 million in public money.
"While I'm sure everyone can appreciate how easy it is to get caught up the heat of battle, with the benefit of hindsight, this is clearly a decision I regret," Hansen said in a statement, noting the money came from him and not on behalf of the Seattle ownership group or its partners. "I wish the city of Sacramento and Kings fans the best in their efforts and they have my commitment not to have any involvement in their arena efforts in the future."
The Sacramento Bee first reported Hansen's donation, which was kept secret until a political watchdog group filed a lawsuit to compel the name of the donor to be made public this week.
In May, NBA owners rejected Hansen's record bid that would have valued the Kings at $625 million. That forced the Maloof family to sell the team to software mogul Ranadive for a valuation of $534 million. Ranadive made a deal with Sacramento officials to build the new arena without a public vote, a factor that pushed NBA owners to vote against Hansen's strong bid.
Ranadive's purchase closed on May 31, but three weeks later, documents show, Hansen made the $100,000 donation.
A group named the Sacramento Taxpayers Opposed to Pork (STOP), which organized a signature drive to get an issue on the ballot next June, said it wasn't aware of Hansen's aid.
"We were working independently, and another group of paid signature gatherers was working alongside us," STOP spokesman John Hyde said. "We didn't know who was funding it. We certainly weren't aware Chris Hansen had donated."
Hyde said the group has more than half of the 22,000 signatures needed to get the issue on the ballot, and it will continue to collect them independently before a December deadline. There is also a lawsuit that has been filed against the arena project over the land where the city plans to construct the arena.
proninja
Footballguy
You and Wooderson have reading comprehension issues or something?
Congrats on keeping the team.
Wooderson
Fight The Power
I'm sure he regrets it. He regrets he got caught.
He didn't get a team so now no one should. What a baby.
Last edited by a moderator:
He clearly didn't feel as bad about the effort as he told the press after he lost the BOG vote in May if he was continuing the fight behind the scenes.
proninja
Footballguy
Alright. Let's roll with that.jonessed said:You are so bitter.It'll be nice when the Sacramento fans feel good enough about the fact that they kept the Kings that they don't have to come back to this thread anymore to rub it in.
Feel free to move on anytime, guys.
As bitter as I am, I'm not the one bringing up perceived wrongs from months ago, starting an argument, then calling the other person names once I am engaged. So at least I've got that going for me.
jonessed
Footballguy
The donations may have occurred months ago, but the investigation into who was making the donations has been going on for some time. They were legally supposed to have been reported, but someone was hiding them.Now that it comes out Hansen was trying to sabotage the arena months after he lost the Kings it's been a pretty big news. This just happened so I fail to see how bringing it up now is it all strange. The group Hansen made the donations to is still out collecting signatures.Alright. Let's roll with that.jonessed said:You are so bitter.It'll be nice when the Sacramento fans feel good enough about the fact that they kept the Kings that they don't have to come back to this thread anymore to rub it in.
Feel free to move on anytime, guys.
As bitter as I am, I'm not the one bringing up perceived wrongs from months ago, starting an argument, then calling the other person names once I am engaged. So at least I've got that going for me.
This is all very current news.
Last edited by a moderator:
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Big deal, he donated some money to a PAC.
Last edited by a moderator:
Nothing to get called out on. Not all public expenditures require a public vote. The signature gatherers are the ones calling for special process here, City officials didn't circumvent anything.
Mile High
Footballguy
Didn't mean to imply they were doing anything shady or wrong. But to say they will build a new arena with 258 mill of taxpayers money without a public vote is laughable.. They will get the required signatures and there will be a vote.
Last edited by a moderator:
"Called out" implies they did something illegal, or procedurally improper. They didn't. I'm not sure if the signature drive will be successful or not. This Hansen thing has been quite the scandal and caused some of the local group's leaders to quit.
