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I'm not going to pour over stats for all of the great GKs but I simply googled buffon and six goals and this came up:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/155279-...nsive-struggles
Good to see your faith in IbraThe Z Machine said:
I think I started to sign up but got discouraged because I had trouble filling out a team. Season starts in two weeks, right? I'll get it done by then, but I don't know any of the players outside of the ones on Barcelona, Madrid, Atletico, Sevilla, and Valencia. Do you have less to work with in that league compared to the premier league one we've got going? The stars seem to be way more expensive.The Z Machine said:
Iker Cassilas is on just about everyone's short list. He let in six against Barcelona last season. And four against Liverpool in a game where everyone seemed to agree that he played pretty great.After Cassilas and Buffon, I'm not sure there's a lot of consensus on who would round out the top 10. Petr Cech is often mentioned, but a quick search of this thread should turn up multiple instances of Cletius Maximus and I discussing his weaker games. I like Sebastien Frey and Julia Cesar, but I'd be hard pressed to find any six goal games in Serie A. The games just don't go down that way. A more interesting question, assuming KSB is English, is what English keeper he'd cite as quality. Because if I had to choose between David James, Paul Robinson, and Tim Howard, I'd take Howard every time. I think Paul Green is decent and Joe Hart and Ben Foster have a lot of potential, but Howard is better than them too. I have no idea how Howard played against Arsenal. I didn't see the game. And I actually thought Howard should have done better on the winning goal from Mexico, but its ludicrous to cite Howard (or goaltending in general) as evidence of the weakness of American soccer players. We've had very good goalkeeping for almost twenty years now. Howard was the only American on the field for Everton. How come the six goals didn't prove that English footballers like Phil Neville are ####? It's not as if any Englishmen scored the goals. I counted a Brazillian, a Belgian, a Frenchman (two if we count Saha for Everton), a Spaniard and a Croatian scoring the goals. Arsenal, interestingly, didn't start a single Englishman.eagles2007 said:
While I don't think Howard is a top 10 GK in the world, the top 10 GKs in the world play for some of the top teams in the world - teams who mark the opposition's strikers on free kicks and don't let Cesc Fabregas sprint 70 yards straight down the field with the ball to score...eagles2007 said:
If by "KSB" you mean Sierra Kilo Bravo, I'm pretty sure he's an American living in like (maybe) California....I play Xbox with him fairly often...
Then nevermind, I guess.
It was a dumb thesis. It got even dumber when he tried to defend himself.eagles2007 said:
Based on my extensive experience playing in fantasy soccer leagues (one season) I would advise caution when considering using 25% of one's cap on a striker who shares the field with Messi and Henry.Good to see your faith in IbraThe Z Machine said:
It would be difficult. Unless they're in the EPL or Serie A I don't get to see many on a week to week basis. I suspect most of us here are at the same disadvantage.
Yep...I don't think I'm going to play in the La Liga league because I'd be so overmatched.
I know very little of soccer, so was puzzled when they lined up like that with a one-man wall and the near post wide open. I assumed at the time it must have been an indirect free kick and would guess the entire Chelsea defense must have thought the same.
Not the first game I've watched. It is the first 6-1 game I've watched. Can you tell me why American footballers aren't generally second rate? Can you tell me that Howard didn't misplay many of those shots? Please share.
I believe I went into a big, long dissertation on this a few months ago, and a lot of it boils down to the coaching/training of our youth programs.
You first. How did Howard misplay "many" of the goals?
I did this already. Please go back and read one of my earlier posts. I gave my opinion on five of the six, as I turned it off after 4-0, then went back to watch until 5-0, at which point my TiVo stopped recording. Thank you.Edit - Post #12371, Christo.
I've had this happen to me in the last couple years, and the ref called it, giving me a free kick. I don't know the actual "rule" as it very well could be a safety thing for the place I play at.
you're a goalie?
As an Arsenal fan, I watched the whole game. I really only think he did poorly on 1 of the goals (Cesc's 1st). The first goal, we agree - Denilson's shot was unstoppable. The 2nd and 3rd (Vermaelen and Gallas) were largely the fault of horrible marking. Maybe he could have come out and gotten the crosses, but Vermaelen's was on the other side of the far post, and I wouldn't want my goalkeeper coming for that unless he was 100% he could get the ball, and I don't think he should feel responsible for that ball. Too much can go wrong there if he doesn't catch it or punch it out of bounds. Gallas' goal was again due to horrible marking. At that level you have to assume that your defender will run with his man, plain and simple.Cesc's first we agree was his fault. His second, again, due to horrible defense. You can't allow a team's playmaker to take the ball that kind of distance and never even have someone TRY to stop him! As he was coming down the pitch, I saw van Persie start to make a run for a through ball and thought he'd slide it through to him, but realized that the entire defense was backing off, and thought "shoot!" about a half second before he did, and he struck it well.Eduardo's (which you admit you didn't see) was a shot off the post, and Howard was out of the play from trying to stop Arshavin's shot. Again, not his fault, though not completely the defense's either. Watching that play, Eduardo just simply anticipated what was happening well before anyone else. That's what I like most about Eduardo. He obviously is a clinical finisher, but he reads the game so much better than other players - it's amazing.
Yep. I realized at a young age that I had just the right amount of crazy in me for it. Combined with a desire to run as little as possible, and I was sold.
You must be kidding on those headers. The only one I'd put on him is the nutmeg.
figured as much. its just my 16 year old brother and his friends messing around.
Technically, a GK isn't protected until he's gained possession of the ball with his hands. Otherwise, he's like any other player.
Yeah, but you'd be hard pressed to see someone go after the ball while within the goalie's possession, even if the possession is just with the legs. I'm talking specifically after a stop from the opposition, not a pass back to the goalie from the feet of a defending player.
That's why I said "technically."
Correct, but I can't imagine a ref being too lenient if the GK is clearly in possession of the ball and someone runs in and takes a swipe at it.If it's in the middle of a scrum in front of the net and everyone's fighting for it, that's one thing...but the way he's telling the story sounds like the GK has complete control and some guy runs the goalie out of nowhere. Maybe I was misreading the statement.
not sure which is correct. I received this question via text message from my brother.
This whole discussion reminds of the only time I was ever given a straight red. Cross came in and the keeper caught it and then dropped it right in front of me. I was coming in full steam when he bobbled it and it hit the ground. I went straight at it and poked the ball as he was reaching to get it. Ball goes in net, major crash between me and goalie. End result, I get sent off and goal is waved off. Ref told me goalie had control of it. :stillbitterafter20years:
Last season I remember thinking Benayoun should be starting but then he always gives them a great lift off of the bench. I just wish he would come in a little earlier like 55 mins or so. The real problem is Babel is awful. Dirk Kuyt is really underrated imo and really helped them over achieve last season. Also, when Xabi was out last season they were totally lost it seemed to me so I actually was not at all suprised by the result against Spurs (I like them for 6th this season). I pray this Aquilani fella will provide the same direction and skill as Xabi. Two positives I noticed going back to the preseason was the improved play and leadership of Jamie Carragher and the play of the longhair Andriy Voronin. As a big fan I feel we need all the help we can get. I kinda think w/o Xabi though we are already totally screwed. BTW I think Man U. gets that four in a row when it's all said and done.
Glen Johnson also is a positive for Liverpool in my book. He looked very dangerous going forward on Sunday and Spurs fouled him everytime he got near the box(he suffered 4 fouls on the day).Last season I remember thinking Benayoun should be starting but then he always gives them a great lift off of the bench. I just wish he would come in a little earlier like 55 mins or so. The real problem is Babel is awful. Dirk Kuyt is really underrated imo and really helped them over achieve last season. Also, when Xabi was out last season they were totally lost it seemed to me so I actually was not at all suprised by the result against Spurs (I like them for 6th this season). I pray this Aquilani fella will provide the same direction and skill as Xabi. Two positives I noticed going back to the preseason was the improved play and leadership of Jamie Carragher and the play of the longhair Andriy Voronin. As a big fan I feel we need all the help we can get. I kinda think w/o Xabi though we are already totally screwed. BTW I think Man U. gets that four in a row when it's all said and done.
I think it's because FSC wasn't originally going to show Arsenal/Celtic, but they picked it up this past weekend....and I can only assume they didn't want to move the Olympiakos game out of its original timeslot.
I wonder why though? I'm sure close to ten out of ten soccer fans would prefer to watch the British teams live. Maybe they don't want to run the same game simultaneously on two different channels.
I meant between Olympiakos-Sheriff and Arsenal-Celtic.
Oh, yeah I would agree with that. Still, it is a shame Sporting isn't on.I meant between Olympiakos-Sheriff and Arsenal-Celtic.
Celtic will present an interesting road challenge for Arsenal today, I doubt Arsenal puts up 6 again, I suspect a 1-1 draw here.
Sporting vs. Fiorentina is this most interesting of this day's action to me.
