El Floppo
Footballguy
Problem is... I don't know which teams are in the Classico- or else I probalby wouldn't be having this confusion.
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Eephus
Footballguy
RM-Barca
El Floppo
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
ok then- I stand corrected.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Barca-RM is larger, certainly from a country perspective and is more important to Barcelona than its derby with Espanyol. I'd wager that the same is true for RM supporters but I don't know what Real's fans think and would never want to. I would think it would have to be larger because, outside of how much we hate each other, Barca-RM is normally a match with huge title implications.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I can let the Celtic-Rangers and Boca-River ones slide, as those are debatable, but putting the rest of that along with a "handful others" over El Classico is just wrong.
Eephus
Footballguy
There's probably not a lot of thread crossover. Besides, I drafted the Old Firm a while ago. It pretty much exemplifies everything that's good and bad about sports rivalries.shhhhhhhhhhhh... no spotlighting!(first two you mentioned were the first I thought of)
scoobygang
Footballguy
RM / Barca is much bigger. Not just because of the title implications (which AM has almost never figure in), but because there's a huge political split between Madrid, which was the base of Franco's fascist party, and Barcelona, which maintained a strong Catalan, anti-fascist tradition. Real Madrid was a political organ for Franco.You could still find "fascists" in Spain well into the late 80's, and Catalonia still maintains an unofficial national team.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
You can still find them even now. I had a few incidents where, upon learning I was from South Carolina, Spanish people I met would start talking to me about their Neo-Nazi meetings I should attend. This was in Valladolid.
scoobygang
Footballguy
I can't think of one national team manager who has that type of control. If I were to pick a manager to give it to, it proably wouldn't be Klinsman.I also don't see any difference in Bradley's position. How is this anything we didn't already know?
Eephus
Footballguy
Controversy over the MNT coach is another sign that the US is maturing as a soccer nation. The coach is always on the hot seat given the small number of important games for any national team. But I think Klinsmann's comments ratchet up the pressure on Sunil Gulati more than Bradley. No matter what the team does, Bradley's days are numbered. He'll be gone after 2014 even if the team is successful. By going public about the arguments about control, Klinsmann turns the spotlight on the USSF. If the team doesn't advance (and the WC bid fails), Gulati's long tenure will be over.
scoobygang
Footballguy
I meant as more of a mainstream affiliation. Obviously there are wacky right wing factions all across Europe still. But Spain was kind of unique it that you could go to a cosmopolitan city and find segments of the elite who openly called themselves fascists.You can still find them even now. I had a few incidents where, upon learning I was from South Carolina, Spanish people I met would start talking to me about their Neo-Nazi meetings I should attend. This was in Valladolid.
SofaKings
Footballguy
Had a great time! Went to a pub around the corner about 3 hrs before game time and started talking with three guys. They convinced me to sell my ticket and gave me their 4th ticket. Hung out with them and went to the game and had a blast. Tough to compare the ezperience to NFL football. More like college atmosphere I think? We stood the whole game behind the goal. Spurs lost 1-0 to Wigan. Plenty of angry drunks after the game. I was smashed. Mmmm warm Carlsberg's. Those tasted good coming back up. Got on the bus, it started raining and it was hot as hell. Had to get off, puke then get back on the next one. Quick nap and then out and about for the night. Learned a few songs and now I have an EPL team to root for. Bought a t-shirt and a scarf. Good times.
I think it really underscores a lack of confidence in Bradley. It also suggests that some of the "control" that Gulati will not yield may play a part in the US' failure to mature as a soccer power.A country this size, with the youth participation, should be able to develop more consistently better players than we currently produce.
I have long felt that the USMNT lacks any identity from which to build - we lack the ball control and finesse to play a South American style, we lack the size and strength to play a European style, we like the raw speed to play an African style. We are "decent" at some of those, but not great at any of them - and no design to be great at any particular style. So we are left with a hodgepodge of talent that tries to become a cohesive unit.
I think Bradley did a decent enough job - but I did not see any vision for introducing more play-making, or ball skills, or off-the-ball skills that elite teams have. (We have so few players that are creative with or without the ball, its amazing we get any scoring chances).
Maybe that is on Gulati, and not Bradley - but as the coach, you should be able to dictate the style you want to play, and it looked, to me, like we had/have no style.
Kendall
I heart waffles
:sigh:
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I agree it is more like a college atmosphere if compared to US football.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Klinsman made it publicly known long ago that this is the type of control he wanted. I believe he had this role in Germany - he could essentially dictate to DFB member clubs how they should operate their training. Based on my non-insider understanding of the situation, I am surprised it even got to an interview. If Sunil was not going to grant this level of control, I'm sure they both realized pretty quickly that there was nothing to discuss.
Eephus
Footballguy
Wasn't Klinsmann a candidate in 2006 as well?
Texas Football
Footballguy
And Brentforg just beat Everton in the Carling on penalties.
Hell of a start to the year for Ipswich Town continues. Second in the table and through to the 4th round of the Cup. Undefeated in their last 7 road games.
Hell of a start to the year for Ipswich Town continues. Second in the table and through to the 4th round of the Cup. Undefeated in their last 7 road games.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I have a tear in my eye.
This is one of the nicest sites I have ever seen.
A baseball park being demolished so that a soccer stadium can rise in its place. Glory be to the lord!!
http://www.portlandmls2011.com/stadium/webcam/
This is one of the nicest sites I have ever seen.
A baseball park being demolished so that a soccer stadium can rise in its place. Glory be to the lord!!
http://www.portlandmls2011.com/stadium/webcam/
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
On Friday night, LA will be playing NY in what may be one of the biggest regular season math ups in US club soccer history (Donovan, Buddle, Henry, Marquez, Angel and Becks). Sadly it looks like Henry will be out for the Friday game with an injury.
Game is on ESPN2 @11ET
Game is on ESPN2 @11ET
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Desert_Power
Footballguy
The only way that could get better is if they were demolishing a NASCAR track.I have a tear in my eye.
This is one of the nicest sites I have ever seen.
A baseball park being demolished so that a soccer stadium can rise in its place. Glory be to the lord!!
http://www.portlandmls2011.com/stadium/webcam/
El Floppo
Footballguy
Do metro-Bulls manscape?
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Yup.Although for Atleti fans, the RM - Atleti match is the biggest.Typical for second fiddle teams in a large city.Desert_Power said:
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Holy ####, that's amazing.I never had anything remotely like that happen to me in Madrid. The right wingers there are much more of the "blue-blood" variety, and at worst they'd invite you over for wine and chorizo.Desert_Power said:You can still find them even now. I had a few incidents where, upon learning I was from South Carolina, Spanish people I met would start talking to me about their Neo-Nazi meetings I should attend. This was in Valladolid.scoobygang said:
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
Bayern finally scores!!
Bayern had gone 3 straight Bundesliga matches without a goal and came within 10 minutes of the club's longest ever goal drought.
Hoffenheim scored 37 seconds in and then fought for their lives to hold on. Müller scored in the 68th to equalize and Van Buyton in the 91st to earn all 3 points.
The victory may prove very costly as Ribéry went down hard on Müller's scoring play.
Van Gaal Fears Long Lay-off for Winger
Bayern had gone 3 straight Bundesliga matches without a goal and came within 10 minutes of the club's longest ever goal drought.
Hoffenheim scored 37 seconds in and then fought for their lives to hold on. Müller scored in the 68th to equalize and Van Buyton in the 91st to earn all 3 points.
The victory may prove very costly as Ribéry went down hard on Müller's scoring play.
Van Gaal Fears Long Lay-off for Winger
Texas Football
Footballguy
And Liverpool go out to Northhampton on PK's.
Who do you think will replace Hodgson?
Who do you think will replace Hodgson?
Eephus
Footballguy
He didn't even show up for the Arsenal's game yesterday
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Atlético and Valencia drew 1-1 in la Mestalla (Valencia). Atleti scored first, an then Valencia drew level late in the 2nd half.
Good to get a point here against a team playing well in their house. That puts Valencia equal to Real at the top of the table with Barça 1 point behind. Atleti, Villarreal, Athletic are all 2 points behind Barça.
The surprises thus far have been the poor play of Mallorca, and Hércules playing above their level.
Good to get a point here against a team playing well in their house. That puts Valencia equal to Real at the top of the table with Barça 1 point behind. Atleti, Villarreal, Athletic are all 2 points behind Barça.
The surprises thus far have been the poor play of Mallorca, and Hércules playing above their level.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Only when the big teams go down. Otherwise- nope.
Eephus
Footballguy
It's probably good for business in Northampton pubs tonight but the big clubs don't take it seriously, especially at this stage of the competition.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
I, for one, do not.Eephus said:
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
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Eephus
Footballguy
On the bright side, his suspension from the French national team will be over when he gets back
The Z Machine
Footballguy
There are rumors that Sir Alex wants to make a 14m€ bid for Atlético's 19 year old goalie, David De Gea.
He's a great prospect, and I'd hate to lose another homegrown Atleti talent (just like El Niño) to the EPL. Also, 14m€ is too low for a goalie that has huge potential and is proving himself at such a young age against top-flight competition.
That said, if the transfer fee were bumped a bit, I could see it happening. Atleti have another very good, fairly young goalie in Sergio Ansejo, which they bought before last season. With that money, they could get a decent quality CB to replace the joke of Perea, or a better central mid than Assuncao or Raúl García.
He's a great prospect, and I'd hate to lose another homegrown Atleti talent (just like El Niño) to the EPL. Also, 14m€ is too low for a goalie that has huge potential and is proving himself at such a young age against top-flight competition.
That said, if the transfer fee were bumped a bit, I could see it happening. Atleti have another very good, fairly young goalie in Sergio Ansejo, which they bought before last season. With that money, they could get a decent quality CB to replace the joke of Perea, or a better central mid than Assuncao or Raúl García.
Kendall
I heart waffles
I really don't care. I just want Hicks and Gillet to be pilloried and forced to sell the damn club. I actually feel horrible for Hodgson, he's in an awful situation.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
LOL at 'pool
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
yes he was and while it was not stated as clearly, the rumor in 2006 was the same. They could not come to terms due to control issues.
Kendall
I heart waffles
Please don't laugh at the hurt.
Eephus
Footballguy
well, if that was the area of dispute before and was still Klinsmann's going-in opinion (he was publicly vocal about this during the WC wrapup), why did both sides even attempt the mating ritual? Nobody came out of this looking good including Bradley.
El Floppo
Footballguy
One interesting, and one strange artcile in todays NYTimes...
The interesting one is about MLS and designated players...
The strange...
The interesting one is about MLS and designated players...
The strange...
El Floppo
Footballguy
no- not a radio guy.do they talk about the whole playoff thing? only point to having divisions, really... and even then.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Color me VERY happy. This was my favorite announcer this summer.
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ESPN has hired Ian Darke to be its lead voice on all soccer platforms, including US National team games.
In additional to U.S. men's and women's national team games, Ian Darke will call MLS games and the 2014 World Cup in Brazil for ESPN.
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ESPN has hired Ian Darke to be its lead voice on all soccer platforms, including US National team games.
In additional to U.S. men's and women's national team games, Ian Darke will call MLS games and the 2014 World Cup in Brazil for ESPN.
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